Re: Crashed Tri-Q

Peter Harris <peterjfharris@...>

Gday Alan I thought there could be some others and it is a lesson for any
who care to think about how to manage the enthusiasm factor during training
and first flight time.



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Allan Farr
Sent: Wednesday, 6 September 2006 6:14 PM
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Subject: Re: [Q-LIST] Re: Crashed Tri-Q

Wow - a happy outcome, the best sort. I have also taken off inadvertently,
apparently it happens alot that's why it is even warned against in the Q
POH. My unintentional takeoff happened in 1975 when I was fast taxing a
Taylor Monoplane (taildragger), I had about 25hrs in a C152 at the time. On
my 4th high speed run I looked out the side and discovered to my horror that
I was airborne. I immediately closed the throttle, but at the same time I
realized that the end of the runway (grass) was coming up, so I shoved the
power on again. As I flew downwind, I thought I would probably crash, so I
tried to hold the stick with my knees while I put on the seatbelt (always be
prepared for flight when taxiing). I did a fairly erratic circuit, and ended
up making a heavy landing right in front of another a/c holding at the end
of the runway. My plane did 1 big bounce and then stopped - all the forward
energy absorbed by the bounce. Luckily there was no harm done to me or the
plane but I did have to explain myself to the rather furious CFI who had
seen the whole thing. Also a friend who had seen me takeoff and almost
stall/spin when I momentarily closed the throttle, jumped in a C172 and did
an "ag style" takeoff, right across the aerodrome, he was thinking he may be
needed to help get me back down in one piece. He also ended up "on the mat"
in front of the CFI. Great fun those early flying days, but I don't intend
to repeat that sort of incident once I start fast taxiing my Q.
Allan F
Q2 Rev

----- Original Message -----
From: Peter Harris
To: Q-LIST@yahoogroups. <> com
Sent: Wednesday, 6 September 2006 18:52
Subject: RE: [Q-LIST] Re: Crashed Tri-Q

Chris,Jim for what its worth my first flight ALSO was an accidental take
off. My CFI was supposed to check himself into my Q dragger but he had been
making excuses and told me to practice fast taxi.. up to 55KTS. I followed
his instructions and of course it started to fly and I judged that the only
safe thing to do was open the throttle and fly it. My only tailwheel
endorsement was in a PA18 and I had less than 40 hours training in a time.

After some time in the training area I returned, made two dummy approaches
and liked the descent on final. Perfect conditions. I came over the fence at
65 Kts as taught in the C152, remembered the POH and as soon as the
tailwheel touched I pulled the nose up hard, full stall, lost sight of the
runway momentarily but it settled beautifully. I have never been able to do
that since as I make it faster now and always a 3 point landing, but will
try it again some day, it makes for a short field roll. The canard acts like
an air brake for a few seconds.

Basically I think this accidental take off thing COULD happen to others. We
recommend a heap of ground runs, just be careful not to go too fast before
you are really ready and committed to fly. Apart from yaw at rotation it is
easy to fly, but think about the landing. The only trick with the Q birds is
in landing technique and this becomes second nature to those with a few
hours but IMO the very simple secret (for the draggers) is to NEVER take
eyes off the far end of the runway otherwise PIO will kick in and bite you.

Very sad Chris and hope you reconsider and rebuild that bird. They are a
legend to fly.

Peter (I rebuilt a canard and very happy for it)


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[mailto:Q-LIST@yahoogroups. <> com] On Behalf
Jim Patillo
Sent: Wednesday, 6 September 2006 9:23 AM
To: Q-LIST@yahoogroups. <> com
Subject: [Q-LIST] Re: Crashed Tri-Q


I'm sorry to hear about your accident and glad you didn't become
another smoking hole in the ground.

Its kind of interesting you're only a couple of hours away from
Livermore, CA where there's more collective Q knowledge than
anywhere. Yet you never identified yourself or ever showed up at one
of our events. Had you reached out you could have avoided these
stupid mistakes. A hard left roll tendancy is normal for a first
flight and everone here knows it. Once the left elevator is trimed
the issue is resolved. Further how does one accidently lift off?
I've never been able to get my arms around that one! If you and your
plane weren't prepared for flight you should have never left the

Unfortunately these kinds of accidents continue giving our planes a
bad reputation it does not deserve. Its because of individuals like
you that this airplane is considered "hard to fly and control",
which is rediculous.

I have about 800 hours on my Q200 which is a lot more plane to fly
than a revemaster tricycle gear Q and have never even had it
sideways on the runway. I am not an aviation wizard or an
exceptional pilot but have tried to use comon sense when needed
which usually works.

Jim Patillo N46JP Q200 790 hours.

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"yellow_tri" <chrisdolly@...> wrote:

N33LQ (Tri-Q) was wrecked beyond repair on 8/29. Mechanical parts
and elevators and ailerons are okay, they are available for sale.
Revmaster engine, approximately 500 hours; new pistons, cylinders,
rings about 10 hours. Revmaster carb, belt driven air pump. Ran
perfect, started easily. Main gear, tires (new), wheels, disc
with new rotors and pads, all farings and wheel pants. Entire
instrument panel: Softcom intercom, VAL com 760 TSO, Narco AT150
transponder w/altitude encoder, fuel gauge, EGT/CHT combo gauge,
ammeter, oil pressure, oil temp, compass, Attitude Indicator (art
horiz), VG, Air speed (to 200), altimeter, Vertical Speed,
tachometer, and Hobbs with 233 hours. Open to offers.
Chalk the wreck up to inexperience with these types of aircraft.
had never flown one of these, nobody here at my airport (Grants
OR) had either. I had never flown a wrist action joystick. I had
made about 2 dozen fast taxi's down the runway (accidentally
off at 65 mph once, came down and destroyed the nose gear). This
time I held forward pressure until the A/S passed 70 and was
accelerating, then eased back on the joystick. Lift off seemed
normal at first then there was a HARD roll left. I corrected to
right, but chickened out on continuing the takeoff, cut the
and headed back toward the runway. The plane came down hard and
out the nose gear yet again, eventually left the runway and nosed
over in the dirt. My one experience with a non-certified aircraft.
I can be reached at: chrisdolly@...

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