Re: Taxiing before first flight. (long editorial)

Jim Patillo


Klaus is using his own design and yes I'm sure he's turning hisprop in
the 4,000 + RPM range.

Dave Richardson is correct my friend. You are still therotical in your
modifications until your plane is in the air. You may have solved the
problem and you may not have. We'll find out shortly, won't we? Your
comment about not being a "sheep" is interesting. That might just be
some flawed logic there.

Best regards,
Jim P.

P.S. Did you get that new headset ordered?

--- In, "Ron Triano" <rondefly@...> wrote:

I wonder what Klaus is using for a prop and what RPM he is turning.
Could he
be turning the 4400+ like the formula 1s.?

Ron Triano

South Lake Tahoe, CA

The Sonerai is finished and flying

finishing the Q200

-----Original Message-----
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Jim Patillo
Sent: Thursday, October 19, 2006 7:23 PM
Subject: [Q-LIST] Re: Taxiing before first flight. (long editorial)


I bought my Quickie Kit in October 1981 from the factory. It had a
single pull lever that when applied set both brakes. I found this to
be totally unacceptable in any kind of crosswind. I did not like the
idea but toyed with dual finger brakes not near as close to fininshing
as Bob Malachek, Sam Hoskins, Paul Fisher and Tom Moore. So I delayed
finishing the brakes knowing some how I was going to install toe
brakes. Then I met Bob Farnam and he showed me the fix. Bob had
already designed and installed toe brakes so I basically copied his
set up. Our toe brake pedal geometry varied a little but both planes
handled basically the same....................tame. I didn't do
David's alignment becaue the plane was already a "pussycat" . I know
for a fact from Sam and others that the alignment worked wonders on
many planes.

Later Brad Olson, Jeff Rudledge and Mark Summers installed toe brakes
with small variations but basically the same. I can say............
tame my good buddy Sam because it's so.

Now should we collabrate and make a Q that can kick Klaus' ass?



--- In Q-LIST@yahoogroups. <> com, "Allan
Farr" <afarr@> wrote:

Hi Jim. I understand that originally the Q2 had differential brakes,
& that QAC changed it to a single pull lever. Was their reasoning
faulty in your opinion?
Allan Farr

----- Original Message -----
From: Jim Patillo
To: Q-LIST@yahoogroups. <> com
Sent: Friday, 20 October 2006 11:28
Subject: [Q-LIST] Re: Taxiing before first flight. (long editorial)


I hear you loud and clear and it's not that we had a better idea or
that I'm pontificating. The entire tail dragger world had a better
idea. Why don't you see finger brakes on all those tail draggers?
Why do you think finger brakes even came into existance in the Q
world? It was because we realized a single pull hand brake was not
the answer and we needed dual differentiating brakes. A finger brake
modification is a hell of a lot easier than installing toe brakes so
many of us (Texas contingent)did finger brakes and got use to it.

I'm simply stating what I saw and did. As you point out, you do need
three hands to perform this operation safely. Problem is I haven't
run across any three handed pilots lately.

If people want to do things different, thats their perogative. As I
said before, the post was not to denigrate or pupu Wes's idea or
approach but to help prevent crashes before or during first flights.
He was really creative in comming up with a unique differential
finger brake, problem is it doesn't work and its almost counter
intuitive. The control is to seensitive when moving the stick left
to right or visa versa. Having taxied his plane, it just takes so
much more to deal with than toe brakes. He can prove this out really
easy. Leave the plane like it is and go fly!

I know Paul and Sam have finger brakes and have lots of proven hours
on them, fine. P.S. They are also really good Q pilots. Has either
one of them ever had to repair their planes due to a mishap on the
runway/taxiway or are their planes totally tame?

Many people on this list know what I'm talking about but just don't
care to express it.



--- In Q-LIST@yahoogroups. <> com,
Richardson" <dave@> wrote:

You know Jim, it is easy to get so wrapped up in the "I've got a
idea" mode that all other solutions become just noise. It sounds
Wes came up with a neat adaptation of the original single pull
Your practical experience shows, though, he would really need three
hands to make it work safely. I hope Wes listens to you and
you are not just pontificating. Have you let him taxi your plane
show him what he could be experiencing as compared to what his is
getting out of his design? I'll bet he spent far more time coming
with his solutions and implementing them than it would take to
the proven six pack.

I had something similar happen to me with my reflexor prior to
flight when a major flaw in my design was pointed out. Rather than
argue my position, I ripped out the whole mechanisim I worked
hard on designing and implementing and installed a Falkner
reflexor in a
fraction of the time. I have a much safer reflexor as a result
and that
is what really counts.

To Wes and other guys like Wes, why waste your time, energy and
$'s on
something that has already been solved and proven to be
successful? Do
what works and go fly your plane.

Dave Richardson
Tri-Q2 N825DR 84 hrs.

-----Original Message-----
From: Jim Patillo
Sent: Thu 10/19/2006 2:33 PM
To: Q-LIST@yahoogroups. <> com
Subject: [Q-LIST] Taxiing before first flight. (long editorial)

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