Re: Inspections/Inspectors

Michael Hilderbrand <m_hilderbrand@...>

My FSDO inspector seemed to look at the following more than anything else: Paper
work (big one), nuts and bolts politically correct - safety pins if
required, controls are rigged correct - stick left:left aileron goes up, LIMITS
on gauges and airspeeds marked (even though you have yet to fly the thing to
figure those number out!) (They passed my blinking red idiot light on my EIS as
my "limit" indicator.), make sure no gas lines go over electrical wires, and
seat belts work properly. 

Couple more things:  One inspection they wanted me to start the
engine, other inspection (two airplanes) they did not have me start it.  

AND I did not have a compass on my panel. I did go to Walmart and buy one after
the inspection for my own comfort.

From what I hear, it seems DARs are a little more hardcore about the
inspection, along with being strong-minded in what they want, regardless what
the regs say.  

Michael Hilderbrand
Derby, Kansas
Sonex #1017 Flying
Jabiru 3300 w/ Aerocarb

From: "JMasal@..." <JMasal@...>
To: Q-LIST@...
Sent: Thu, December 2, 2010 9:50:11 AM
Subject: Re: [Q-LIST] Inspections/Inspectors


Now here's the scary part: FAA inspectors are HUMAN (they all have different
axes to grind) and they are Gummint employees (some wear Jackboots if you get my
drift). I once worked for a company that made approved plastic parts for Cessnas
and Pipers. Approval required detailed drawings sent to FAA engineering and, if
blessed, followed by an on site inspection to see that the production part
matched the drawing and it fit on the aircraft make and model. We made many
different parts and sold thousands.
Due to a loooong history with a couple engineers and inspectors who knew who we
were and our manufacturing quality control our parts approval was tedious but
only a little frustrating. Once upon a time the engineering dept. head died and
a woman engineer (equal opportunity program)

was brought in from back east. Suddenly the game changed.
There is a small exit hole for rudder cables on the aft fuselage side of SE
Cessnas. It is covered by a bulged out small plastic triangle to keep out the
rain. We made it identical to Cessna's and in 7 months I hadn't gotten it
approved before I left. I ain't speculating why, but you can.

The SW Region FAA became a pain in the ass to get PMA approvals while up around
the Indiana area (I guess Great Lakes FAA) our manufacturing friends were
getting far more complex parts approved with far less fussiness.

So... if an inspector asks for some easy something, be polite, as Paul sez...
question his knowlege of the regs, but dont give him attitude or piss him off.
You can make an end run around him but you wont like the time and frustration it


-----Original Message-----
From: Fisher Paul A. <fisherpaula@...>
To: Q-LIST <Q-LIST@...>
Sent: Thu, Dec 2, 2010 7:01 am
Subject: RE: [Q-LIST] N240JS Inspection

(sorry Sam - one more data point)
On my last inspection (15 months ago) the FAA inspector (yes, FAA from the local
FSDO) insisted that I have a compass. I asked for an explanation because I had a
Dynon with the remote compass and he said I needed a direction indicator that
worked if I lost electrical power. Again, I asked (politely) for him to please
point to the regulations where this is stated. He tried, but could not find any
such requirement, but "strongly suggested I have a compass". This conversation
happened over the phone before the inspection.

So I went to Wal-Mart and bought a three dollar compass and stuck it to the dash
with double sided tape. Problem solved. During the inspection he noticed that I
did indeed have a compass and he let it go. I have no idea how accurate the
compass is, I have never looked at it, nor do I intend to. That's not the point.
The inspector wanted one, so I put it in.

So as Sam said - just buy a cheap compass, put a correction card on it and move
on to the important stuff.

Good Luck Joseph, please keep us informed!

- Paul

-----Original Message-----
From: Q-LIST@... [mailto:Q-LIST@...] On Behalf Of Sam
Sent: Thursday, December 02, 2010 06:08
Subject: Re: [Q-LIST] N240JS Inspection

Joseph, don't worry about it too much. Just get a compass card and stick it
on your panel. Write some numbers on it.

No worries.

When I had my inspection, the FAA examiner (yes, FAA) noted my compass card
with no numbers on it, and signed off the inspection.

Don't worry about it and let's not spend another 100 e-mails auguring the

Sam Hoskins

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