Re: Q-Flight CounselorPhil c.

Phil Christiansen <rxforfun51@...>

Hmm... haven't seen that weight in 45 years?   So what would be your maximum "payload"?  


From: "" <>
Sent: Thursday, October 13, 2011 10:50 PM
Subject: Re: [Q-LIST] Re: Q-Flight CounselorPhil c.

Hi Phil,I thought you said you weighed 145 Lbs?Bruce

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From: Phil Christiansen <>
To: "" <>
Subject: Re: [Q-LIST] Re: Q-Flight CounselorPhil c.
Date: Thu, 13 Oct 2011 20:05:21 -0700 (PDT)

Hi Bruce,

I live in Southeastern Minnesota, just outside of Rochester, MN. I'm actually in Kevin Boddicker's backyard almost. We're only about 70 miles apart. So if I promise to loose a few pounds, maybe I can talk him into a few flights? If not, I'll loose that weight and get in touch with you! :)


From: "" <>
Sent: Thursday, October 13, 2011 9:49 PM
Subject: Re: [Q-LIST] Re: Q-Flight CounselorPhil c.

Phil,I live in Enid, Oklahoma and would be glad to give you a bit of time in my TriQ200. Where are you located?Bruce Crain

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From: "quickieaircraft" <>
Subject: [Q-LIST] Re: Q-Flight CounselorPhil c.
Date: Fri, 14 Oct 2011 02:06:12 -0000

Thanks, guys! My Tri-Q200 has been ready to fly for some time but its pilot still has few more weeks before I'll be ready (hopefully) for that, especially in light of recent incidents. I've been digging through the archives to attempt writing up proper procedures for my reflexor use, and this discussion added dramatically.

As I understand it (from reading only), the reflexor affects:
-elevator trim position
-elevator authority (via fore/aft lift bias)
-pitch attitude (and visibility)
-NOT airspeed (or only minorly)

T/O: requires slight (maybe 1/4 travel at most) positive reflexor (aileron TE down), but IAS must be above stall before rotation, else pitch up rotation will take place suddenly as the canard starts working.

Approach: Slight more positive reflexor than takeoff. If I understand correctly, airspeed isn't much affected, but it's mostly set for visibility over the nose here.

Flare: not used, leave set in approach configuration and flare with elevator.

Go around: return to T/O position?

Cruise: set some combination of trim and reflexor for IAS.

I'm practicing in a Diamond DA20, Cherokee Warrior, and Arrow. I expect to use tho DA20 most, since it's the closest in speed, at 130kts, small, and fairly slick, and the other two just for variety/complexity.

My practice program so far includes:
at least 10 hrs training towards a flight test in the preceding 30 days spread amongst 3 airplanes, which includes
at least 20 landings without flaps
at least 6-10 unusual attitude recoveries
at least 7 simulated engine outs from varying locations (noflaps, no slips)
at least 2 "impossible turn" demos
at least 1 takeoff aborted for a mechanical issue
at least 2 go arounds
simulated systems failures response
slow flight and stalls.

I'd like to add reflexor drills. I don't think there is a great way to simulate reflexor application. My current plan is having a copilot set the flaps or trim at unknown (but fixed) locations.

Also, depending on your location, I'd be willing to head your way and buy gas for your next flight in return hauling my 145 lb frame along.

PPL ASEL, a few hours in Sonerais but new to Q's

--- In, JMasal@... wrote:

Phil C.

We Q guys do not consider Dflyers as outsiders. Never have. They have been welcomed since day 1. In fact the Dfly newsletter editor was a major organizer of our field of dreams events and at one point we would often have a handful of Dflys show up
Jerry B's death is tragic. Dont fret unduly about the "risks" of your first flight. What we can say so far is dont make an approach low enough to snag an approach light, dont go for the numbers and realize the whole runway is yours. The vast majority of these aircraft dont end up in a pile. Focus your mind on the successes not the failures.


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From: rxforfun51 <rxforfun51@...>
To: Q-LIST <>
Sent: Wed, Oct 12, 2011 10:15 pm
Subject: [Q-LIST] Q-Flight Counselor

I am probably what you would consider an outsider on the Q-List because I'm a Dragonfly builder. But I learned a long time ago the two planes are similar enough that I can listen in on this group and still learn something about the flight characteristics of my own plane. I haven't said anything to date about Jerry's tragic accident because it hit home pretty hard with me. While I just met Jerry at a recent fly-in, I immediately came to like him. I'm very saddened by his loss and the pain his family must be going through. But I'm also now a little more frightened about my own first flight which is on the near horizon. That's not to say I haven't had concerns about my own first flight previously, but Jerry's passing makes my own risks seem much more real and tangible now somehow. I've attended a number of fly-ins when able in hopes of getting some experience by rubbing elbows with actual tandem wing flyers. I've hoped for more participation from
Dragonfly owner s at these events, but I've found that the Quickie group has been more active in the events I attended. So, I go and listen and hope that maybe someone might offer me a ride so I can get some flight time in an "in-type" sort of plane such as my Dragonfly. To date, I've ridden as a passenger on two flights with a total time of about 30 minutes. I've gotten to take the controls once for about 5 minutes which merely heightened my awareness about how different these planes are from anything else I've flown. So rather than continue to ramble on as I now seem to be doing, I'll get to my point. I think the idea of a flight counselor is a great one. I can only hope that our Dragonfly community follows a similar pathway. But if not, would the Q-List consider taking some of us Dragonfly builders under your wing as well? If so, how does one address the lack of "in-type" air time for individuals such as myself? I'm not a small guy by any means and
while not as tall as Jerry was, my build is somewhat similar. As such, I sense a lot of reluctance by current owners to offer rides to us "beefier" guys. And probably rightfully so due to weight and balance concerns. So while I can study and listen to everyone describe the flight characteristics of the tandem wing birds, my actual flight time in one may well come down to a matter of minutes before my first flight in my own plane. Any suggestions on how one might address this? My choices for an "alternative" aircraft to practice in are probably limited. Our flying club owns Cessna 172's and Cherokee's. I'm building a tri-gear Dragonfly so tailwheel time isn't the issue. It's more of a "high performance plane" issue with approaches and landing from what I can gather. So how best can someone in my situation prepare for a first flight? Sorry for rambling on so and thanks for listening.

Phil Christiansen
Dragonfly Mark III (Tri-Fly) Builder

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