Since i have been around this Q stuff longer than almost all of you guys... and I have a good memory... I can tell you that as original QUICKTALK editor the most heartening times

was when a builder/pilot had an accident then had the guts to tell us about it, usually with photos. We learned. A number of pilots

did this... look thru old Q-Talks to see. I remember at least 2 guys, now dead, who resisted listening to experience talking. As a pre-web

editor we didn't re-hash it ad infinitum. That was editing then... now we have the internet.

This is not Sam H's first rodeo. He has consistently and for long years shared his experiences with his successful and very high

time aircraft. He's already doing it again. We will benefit. From all the accounts that I know he is a good pilot, a thoughtful man

and a good teacher. He already knows the lesson he learned. Now he has a mess to clean up.

Three cheers for all you guys who IMMEDIATELY stepped up ready to help Sam get his aircraft back home. That has been another

satisfying hallmark of the QBA over the years. I'm glad we still have it.

Somebody once wrote:  AVIATION IS A HARD TEACHER... IT GIVES THE TEST FIRST AND THE LESSON AFTERWARD.

J.

-----Original Message-----
From: fisherb <fisherb@...>
To: Sam Hoskins <sam.hoskins@...>; Quickie List <Q-LIST@...>
Sent: Thu, Sep 5, 2013 10:56 pm
Subject: Re: [Q-LIST] The Offending Puddle

 

Some of the people on this list are clearly missing the point of it.

The point is to share good and bad experience with the group in hope of making a safer fleet, this includes judgment calls. The biggest point to be taking has been sadly missed by all so I will say it in hope of saving others. Sam one of the best builders, flying one of the best airplanes, with almost the most time in type had a problem. What the problem is, is a scary ground issue caused by the vary wide gear " that acts as a long lever ARM"and any additional drag even a sticky brake could give the same resolt. Other planes with narrow gear, bigger rudder and slower speeds would likly be unaffected. DON'T BE ASSHOLES SHARE, LEAR IT COULD SAVE LIVES.
Bart tri Q200
Sent from my HTC on the Now Network from Sprint!

----- Reply message -----
From: "Sam Hoskins" <sam.hoskins@...>
Date: Wed, Sep 4, 2013 11:04 pm
Subject: [Q-LIST] The Offending Puddle
To: "Quickie List" <Q-LIST@...>

 

I'm starting to get pissed off. Read my first post in this thread.

Enough.

Sam

Sent via wireless gizmo.

On Sep 4, 2013 10:00 PM, "Me" <oldjagman@...> wrote:

 

Not to cast aspersions, but from where did the takeoff roll begin?

Ok.... Pure conjecture, as I wasn't there...

Pilot had to either back taxi past it, or thru it

 or 

take off from the reciprocal, in order to experience it's power to alter the path of the aircraft.

If the latter, he should have been airborne, long before the puddle became a factor.

Either of which,  in conjecture,  points towards the elephant...

Charlie

On Sep 4, 2013, at 20:48, JMasal@... wrote:

 

There is an elephant in the room that no one sees... pilot error.

FAA regs put the onus on the pilot to know ABSOLUTELY EVERYthing about the flight we are about to take.

Do we do it... NO, and we are all guilty of it and 99% of the time we get away with it.

The puddle didn't jump out and attack Sam.

j. (a past remorseful victim of pilot error)

-----Original Message-----
From: Sam Hoskins <sam.hoskins@...>
To: Quickie List <Q-LIST@...>
Sent: Wed, Sep 4, 2013 7:21 pm
Subject: Re: [Q-LIST] The Offending Puddle

 

That's kind of what the FAA said.

Sam

Sent via wireless gizmo.

On Sep 4, 2013 6:53 PM, "John Hartley" <john.hartley1@...> wrote:

 

If you zoom in enough, you can see where they painted AROUND the puddle - obviously a reoccurring problem. I don't know the required criteria, but it seems like there should have at least been a notam? 

-------- Original message --------
From: dan@...
Date: 09/02/2013 9:23 AM (GMT-05:00)
To: Q-LIST@...
Subject: Re: [Q-LIST] The Offending Puddle


Puddle? Looks like a nice swimming hole. . . If it wasn't on an
active runway!

A picture is worth a thousand words, so here's a link:

http://goo.gl/ww7PHY

I'm so sorry Sammy. . . but I'm glad you're
both safe. Please keep us posted on your progress home.

Thanks,
Dan
Yager
QBA Editor
www.quickheads.com

On 2013-09-01 20:23, Sam Hoskins
wrote:

> I was surprised to see that it was well established. Look for
KPJC in
> Google Earth or Maps. The black puddle is there right between
runway 17 and
> the displaced threshold.
>
> I don't know why I didn't
view it as a hazard.
>
> Sent via wireless gizmo.
>
> Sam

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