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Re: The Offending Puddle

JAMES MASAL
 

stick a fork in it... wer're done!


-----Original Message-----
From: Sam Hoskins
To: Quickie List
Sent: Tue, Sep 10, 2013 7:02 am
Subject: Re: [Q-LIST] The Offending Puddle

 
Alright, can we draw this to a close?

I see it as shared blame.  The airport in complicit in allowing a hazard to go unfixed for an extended period of time. I have responsibility for reasons already stated.

There are all various nuances to this particular incident, none of which would be productive to argue about here.  My time is better spent getting on with the rebuild.

So please - let's drop it.

Sam


On Tue, Sep 10, 2013 at 12:47 AM, <JMasal@...> wrote:
 
I only know what the FAA expects. (You've heard of them???) Fat chance you disagreeing with them.           j.

Are we supposed to inspect every airport on Google earth before we take off?



-----Original Message-----
From: Rick Hole <r.hole@...>
To: Q-LIST <Q-LIST@...>
Sent: Mon, Sep 9, 2013 9:35 pm
Subject: RE: [Q-LIST] The Offending Puddle

 
Google Earth is great for many things, but its imagery is not real time.  Watch the imagery date at the bottom of the window and see.  You may be looking at (whatever) the way it was months or years earlier.
 
Perhaps we are looking too hard to assign fault.  The runway is what it is, like the highway that may be in perfect condition but with a blown out truck tire in your lane.  You never know when a cumulo-venison will jump across your path.  See and avoid.
 
Rick Hole
 
From: Q-LIST@... [mailto:Q-LIST@...] On Behalf Of Mike Perry
Sent: Monday, September 09, 2013 10:23 PM
To: Q-LIST@...
Subject: Re: [Q-LIST] The Offending Puddle
 
 
Jim:  Do you think he should have borrowed a car from the FBO and driven the length of the runway to inspect it before takeoff?  Are we supposed to inspect every airport on Google earth before we take off?

Persistent standing water and seriously cracked runway is not the pilot's fault.  I expect public use airports to be safe for my use, in any light plane. 

In this general area, I have trouble with the attitude of our society and of the legal profession.  Somehow we are made responsible for things beyond our control.  I expect we will continue to disagree. 

Mike Perry
On 9/9/2013 5:33 PM, JMasal@... wrote:
 
Are you serioously asking this Mike Perry??? Get your head outta your hiney and talk to an FAA or NTSB inspector.
Excuse me Jim, but I don't get it.  If it's not in a NOTAM how are we supposed to know?  Once we land, what are we supposed to do? 


-----Original Message-----
From: Mike Perry
To: Q-LIST
Sent: Thu, Sep 5, 2013 12:48 pm
Subject: Re: [Q-LIST] The Offending Puddle
 
Excuse me Jim, but I don't get it.  If it's not in a NOTAM how are we supposed to know?  Once we land, what are we supposed to do? 

The runway is in seriously bad shape and there was no NOTAM.  That's an error, but it isn't pilot error.

If this happened landing on Farmer Brown's dirt track, or at some sailplane port -- OK, Pilot error.  Otherwise, I disagree.

Mike Perry
On 9/4/2013 6:48 PM, JMasal@... wrote:
 
There is an elephant in the room that no one sees... pilot error.
FAA regs put the onus on the pilot to know ABSOLUTELY EVERYthing about the flight we are about to take.
Do we do it... NO, and we are all guilty of it and 99% of the time we get away with it.
The puddle didn't jump out and attack Sam.
 
j. (a past remorseful victim of pilot error)

-----Original Message-----
From: Sam Hoskins
To: Quickie List
Sent: Wed, Sep 4, 2013 7:21 pm
Subject: Re: [Q-LIST] The Offending Puddle
 
That's kind of what the FAA said.
Sam
Sent via wireless gizmo.
On Sep 4, 2013 6:53 PM, "John Hartley" <john.hartley1@...> wrote:
 
 
 
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