Re: Digest Number 5066


Paul Poulsen
 

Hi ! Sorry about the no text l am still trying to get the creating a new
topic thing to work. Q2, RevMaster 2100 I need to get a prop for it and I
was hoping that you may have some suggestions on diameter, pitch and
material.
Thank you for advice in advance
Paul

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Digest #5066
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Re: Oil consumption <#14311ed4f71777c8_1a> by "Paul Poulsen" poulsenpr
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Re: Oil consumption <#14311ed4f71777c8_1b> by dancharnews
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Re: Oil consumption <#14311ed4f71777c8_1c> by dancharnews
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Re: Oil consumption <#14311ed4f71777c8_1d> by "Mike Dwyer" planedude_99
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Re: Canard update <#14311ed4f71777c8_2a> by "Sam Hoskins" SammyQ2
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Re: Canard update <#14311ed4f71777c8_2b> by "Mike Dwyer" planedude_99
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Re: Canard update <#14311ed4f71777c8_2c> by "dkeats" dkeats2000
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Re: Canard update <#14311ed4f71777c8_2d> by "Me" a1pilotdude
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Re: Canard update <#14311ed4f71777c8_2e> by quickieaircraft
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Re: Canard update <#14311ed4f71777c8_2f> by "Frisbee, Robert P" firefaxx
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Re: Canard update <#14311ed4f71777c8_2g> by "Frisbee, Robert P" firefaxx
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Re: Canard update <#14311ed4f71777c8_2h> by "Me" a1pilotdude
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Re: Canard update <#14311ed4f71777c8_2i> by "Jay Scheevel" jay_scheevel
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Prop for a Q2 with a revmaster 2100 engine <#14311ed4f71777c8_3> by
poulsenpr
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Re: TriQ200 Sparless Canard <#14311ed4f71777c8_4a> by quickheads

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Fri Dec 20, 2013 3:08 am (PST) . Posted by: "Paul Poulsen" poulsenpr <paul.poulsen1957@...?subject=Re%3A%20Oil%20consumption>
Hi Mike,
It sounds like rings, are you blowing any/much smoke (blue/grey) on start
up or acceleration?
You could try pulling the plugs and check them for carbon build up with any
oily look and feel. If one or more are coated in soot and oily crap then
confirm with a leakdown check and or borescope test. Clean the spark plugs
with fuel and a wire brush being careful not to beat up the porcelain
around the electrode or grit blaster if you have access to one. Reset the
gap as per the AC65-12A (if you need the procedure let me know) and
manufacturers (Gap) recommendations, refit and Bob's your Auntie.

How is your oil temperature and pressure?I worked on OI-360s for a couple
of years when the big end bearings and piston skirts were having arguments
with the engine and walking out in mid flight. A few of the aircrew came in
very pale and US'd the aircraft for oil pressure fluctuations

When was the last time that you had the oil checked for metal fragments? If
your cylinder pressures and plugs are ok, Change the oil and filter and
have an oil sample and the filter element checked for metal (coppery
fragments in the oil are not a happy sign.

I hope that it is just something simple,

All the best
Paul
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Fri Dec 20, 2013 6:01 am (PST) . Posted by: dancharnews <danchar18@...?subject=Re%3A%20Oil%20consumption>
According to my 0-200 manual that is about normal. That is what my Cessna
150 has been doing for ever.

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Fri Dec 20, 2013 6:05 am (PST) . Posted by: dancharnews <danchar18@...?subject=Re%3A%20Oil%20consumption>
I just looked in my 0-200 manual and it says the average oil consumption
is 1/3 qt per hr

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Fri Dec 20, 2013 1:33 pm (PST) . Posted by: "Mike Dwyer" planedude_99 <q2pilot@...?subject=Re%3A%20Oil%20consumption>
Thank you all for the input. So my better than average engine has slowly
degraded over the years to average! I will do the compression test and
borescope soon. Will report back what I find but otherwise the CYL are
like $800 times 4 so maybe oil is cheaper!

Mike Dwyer
Q200 N3QP

My YouTube channel:
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My Q200 Website: http://q200.eu.pn/

On Fri, Dec 20, 2013 at 8:53 AM, <danchar18@...> wrote:



I just looked in my 0-200 manual and it says the average oil consumption
is 1/3 qt per hr


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Fri Dec 20, 2013 4:40 am (PST) . Posted by: "Sam Hoskins" SammyQ2 <sam.hoskins@...?subject=Re%3A%20Canard%20update>
I hope to be peel plying the crap out of this layup. A friend donated a
bunch of old Ceconite fabric and I have a test layup going right now. If
it pans out, I will try and peel ply the whole surface.

BTW - I seem to recall some testing someone did, and the additional weight
was insignificant.. Can't remember where I saw it though.

Sam

On Thu, Dec 19, 2013 at 8:37 PM, Mike Dwyer <q2pilot@...> wrote:



FYI. I used peel ply on the top and bottom of the canard where it will
attach to the fuselage. This way you don't have to rough up the glass
prior to fuselage attachment.

Mike Dwyer

My YouTube channel: http://goo.gl/ddljYZ
My Vimeo Videos: http://goo.gl/bsaLsG
My Website: http://q200.eu.pn/
On Dec 19, 2013 8:34 PM, "Sam Hoskins" <sam.hoskins@...> wrote:



The latest. The bottom of the canard gets it's glass on Saturday.

http://samhoskins.blogspot.com/

We are supposed to get 4-5 inches of rain this weekend. Good thing I'm
not building this thing outside.

Sam


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Fri Dec 20, 2013 5:52 am (PST) . Posted by: "Mike Dwyer" planedude_99 <q2pilot@...?subject=Re%3A%20Canard%20update>
I tried sheets of peel ply and it was very tough to pull off. I'd stick to
the 2" widths.

Mike Dwyer

My YouTube channel: http://goo.gl/ddljYZ
My Vimeo Videos: http://goo.gl/bsaLsG
My Website: http://q200.eu.pn/
On Dec 20, 2013 7:40 AM, "Sam Hoskins" <sam.hoskins@...> wrote:



I hope to be peel plying the crap out of this layup. A friend donated a
bunch of old Ceconite fabric and I have a test layup going right now. If
it pans out, I will try and peel ply the whole surface.

BTW - I seem to recall some testing someone did, and the additional
weight
was insignificant.. Can't remember where I saw it though.

Sam


On Thu, Dec 19, 2013 at 8:37 PM, Mike Dwyer <q2pilot@...> wrote:



FYI. I used peel ply on the top and bottom of the canard where it will
attach to the fuselage. This way you don't have to rough up the glass
prior to fuselage attachment.

Mike Dwyer

My YouTube channel: http://goo.gl/ddljYZ
My Vimeo Videos: http://goo.gl/bsaLsG
My Website: http://q200.eu.pn/
On Dec 19, 2013 8:34 PM, "Sam Hoskins" <sam.hoskins@...> wrote:



The latest. The bottom of the canard gets it's glass on Saturday.

http://samhoskins.blogspot.com/

We are supposed to get 4-5 inches of rain this weekend. Good thing I'm
not building this thing outside.

Sam


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Fri Dec 20, 2013 6:09 am (PST) . Posted by: "dkeats" dkeats2000 <dkeats@...?subject=Re%3A%20Canard%20update>
Sam------------ When I do my building, I find it better to peel ply the
entire wing when I am finished. You can still get any excess epoxy out and
it is so much easier to do the final finish. I use cheap aircraft fabric I
buy from ACS. Keep up the good work. The world is watching.---------
Canada Chris

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Fri Dec 20, 2013 6:37 am (PST) . Posted by: "Me" a1pilotdude <oldjagman@...?subject=Re%3A%20Canard%20update>
Um..... Additional weight??

As the name imply's , the added layer, gets peeled off, along with excess
epoxy, therefore reducing weight
of the laid up item.

Charlie
(in Texas)

Sent from my iPad

On Dec 20, 2013, at 6:40, Sam Hoskins <sam.hoskins@...> wrote:

I hope to be peel plying the crap out of this layup. A friend donated a
bunch of old Ceconite fabric and I have a test layup going right now. If it
pans out, I will try and peel ply the whole surface.

BTW - I seem to recall some testing someone did, and the additional
weight was insignificant.. Can't remember where I saw it though.

Sam


On Thu, Dec 19, 2013 at 8:37 PM, Mike Dwyer <q2pilot@...>
wrote:

FYI. I used peel ply on the top and bottom of the canard where it will
attach to the fuselage. This way you don't have to rough up the glass prior
to fuselage attachment.

Mike Dwyer

My YouTube channel: http://goo.gl/ddljYZ
My Vimeo Videos: http://goo.gl/bsaLsG
My Website: http://q200.eu.pn/

On Dec 19, 2013 8:34 PM, "Sam Hoskins" <sam.hoskins@...> wrote:

The latest. The bottom of the canard gets it's glass on Saturday.

http://samhoskins.blogspot.com/

We are supposed to get 4-5 inches of rain this weekend. Good thing I'm
not building this thing outside.

Sam
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Fri Dec 20, 2013 7:27 am (PST) . Posted by: quickieaircraft <quickieaircraft@...?subject=Re%3A%20Canard%20update>
Peel ply can leave a resin rich surface, hence higher weight. UW and
Boeing did some work on peel ply, see illustration on page 9 of
http://depts.washington.edu/amtas/publications/presentations/
Phariss_SAMPE_11-05.pdf


For good bonding and low weight, we want the blue fracture line and not
the red. My understanding is that this fracture line is controlled by
chemical compatibility (btwn peel ply and resin) and also by working
temperature. Low temps can cause high viscocity, which can cause problems
with wicking out. I suspect that a hair dryer and some light pressure with
a squeegee should be able to reduce this resin-rich layer to an
insignificant thickness for weight purposes.


I have had a similar experience to Mike Dwyer with large sheets of peel
ply.


Emron
Try Q200 15hrs
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Fri Dec 20, 2013 8:11 am (PST) . Posted by: "Frisbee, Robert P"
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There is a little extra weight using peel ply. On a big aircraft like a
Cozy it can equal several pounds if you peel ply the whole aircraft, on a Q
it would probably be pretty small.

Robert Frisbee

Overall NFC Validation & Quality Lead

Intel Corporation

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Um..... Additional weight??

As the name imply's , the added layer, gets peeled off, along with excess
epoxy, therefore reducing weight

of the laid up item.

Charlie

(in Texas)

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On Dec 20, 2013, at 6:40, Sam Hoskins <sam.hoskins@...> wrote:

I hope to be peel plying the crap out of this layup. A friend donated a
bunch of old Ceconite fabric and I have a test layup going right now. If it
pans out, I will try and peel ply the whole surface.

BTW - I seem to recall some testing someone did, and the additional weight
was insignificant.. Can't remember where I saw it though.

Sam

On Thu, Dec 19, 2013 at 8:37 PM, Mike Dwyer <q2pilot@...> wrote:

FYI. I used peel ply on the top and bottom of the canard where it will
attach to the fuselage. This way you don't have to rough up the glass prior
to fuselage attachment.

Mike Dwyer

My YouTube channel: http://goo.gl/ddljYZ
My Vimeo Videos: http://goo.gl/bsaLsG
My Website: http://q200.eu.pn/

On Dec 19, 2013 8:34 PM, "Sam Hoskins" <sam.hoskins@...> wrote:

The latest. The bottom of the canard gets it's glass on Saturday.

http://samhoskins.blogspot.com/

We are supposed to get 4-5 inches of rain this weekend. Good thing I'm not
building this thing outside.

Sam

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Fri Dec 20, 2013 8:19 am (PST) . Posted by: "Frisbee, Robert P"
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One thing I am using for peel ply is Dacron purchased at Fabric Depot. You
can get a whole bolt of it for something like $.93 a yard. Also Dacron
comes in several different Weave thicknesses so you can choose a silky
finish, or a rough finish by the type of Dacron you use. When purchasing
the Dacron, make sure it is "Untreated". I picked up 20 yards of
untreated Dacron for $10 during a sale. The only problem I have had is
when purchased as a bolt, there is a fold line which can cause problems
with
a large layup. I end up cutting the fold line out. Also, I have found
the finer the weave the easier it is to pull off the peel ply which makes
doing large finished parts like fuselage or wings much easier.

Robert Frisbee

Overall NFC Validation & Quality Lead

Intel Corporation

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I tried sheets of peel ply and it was very tough to pull off. I'd stick to
the 2" widths.

Mike Dwyer

My YouTube channel: http://goo.gl/ddljYZ
My Vimeo Videos: http://goo.gl/bsaLsG
My Website: http://q200.eu.pn/

On Dec 20, 2013 7:40 AM, "Sam Hoskins" <sam.hoskins@...> wrote:

I hope to be peel plying the crap out of this layup. A friend donated a
bunch of old Ceconite fabric and I have a test layup going right now. If it
pans out, I will try and peel ply the whole surface.

BTW - I seem to recall some testing someone did, and the additional weight
was insignificant.. Can't remember where I saw it though.

Sam

On Thu, Dec 19, 2013 at 8:37 PM, Mike Dwyer <q2pilot@...> wrote:

FYI. I used peel ply on the top and bottom of the canard where it will
attach to the fuselage. This way you don't have to rough up the glass prior
to fuselage attachment.

Mike Dwyer

My YouTube channel: http://goo.gl/ddljYZ
My Vimeo Videos: http://goo.gl/bsaLsG
My Website: http://q200.eu.pn/

On Dec 19, 2013 8:34 PM, "Sam Hoskins" <sam.hoskins@...> wrote:

The latest. The bottom of the canard gets it's glass on Saturday.

http://samhoskins.blogspot.com/

We are supposed to get 4-5 inches of rain this weekend. Good thing I'm not
building this thing outside.

Sam

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Fri Dec 20, 2013 9:42 am (PST) . Posted by: "Me" a1pilotdude <oldjagman@...?subject=Re%3A%20Canard%20update>
Thank you Emron,
For clearing this up.

I have used Peel ply in fabricating a boat hull, over a male mold.
However, IT WAS ALWAYS IN 80 + degree temps.
so, I never has issues with the viscosity.
And the resin rich surfaces were not an issue either.

Very interesting research project. I didn't know that there even was one.
I stand edjumacated, now... :-o

Thanks again

Charlie
(In Texas)

Sent from my iPad

On Dec 20, 2013, at 9:27, <quickieaircraft@...> wrote:

Peel ply can leave a resin rich surface, hence higher weight. UW and
Boeing did some work on peel ply, see illustration on page 9 of
http://depts.washington.edu/amtas/publications/presentations/
Phariss_SAMPE_11-05.pdf



For good bonding and low weight, we want the blue fracture line and not
the red. My understanding is that this fracture line is controlled by
chemical compatibility (btwn peel ply and resin) and also by working
temperature. Low temps can cause high viscocity, which can cause problems
with wicking out. I suspect that a hair dryer and some light pressure with
a squeegee should be able to reduce this resin-rich layer to an
insignificant thickness for weight purposes.



I have had a similar experience to Mike Dwyer with large sheets of peel
ply.



Emron

Try Q200 15hrs

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Fri Dec 20, 2013 11:46 am (PST) . Posted by: "Jay Scheevel"
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Looking good Sam. Keep up the pace! We are all pulling for you out here in
freeze-ville. Average temp for December so far has been 13 degrees F.

Cheers,

Jay

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