Re: Beginning labor pains #photo-notice


If you need information on the gear stuff mentioned in the newsletter Drew Aurigema is a friend/business partner so can put you in touch. He might still have everything still. I know he gave me a set of his Raptor plans on DVD and there might be something there as well. 


On Sun, Nov 8, 2020, 14:34 Mike Steinsland <MIKESKUSTOMS@...> wrote:
Just new to this forum
I just recently picked up a Q2 project up here in Parry Sound , Ont.
I found this Dragonfly lay up for gear.
I think I have something else but wifey has told me to fire up the barbee so I'll just send this for now

On Sun, Nov 8, 2020 at 3:05 PM Jay Scheevel <jay@...> wrote:

Good advice, Jim. If Cody is going to go with inboard gear, either tail dragged or nose dragged, then he could also do a Waddlelow design.





From: <> On Behalf Of Jim Patillo
Sent: Sunday, November 08, 2020 12:30 PM
Subject: Re: [Q-List] Beginning labor pains #photo-notice


Jay, after looking at the pictures and Cody telling me the shattered spar is about 14” from the small end, at the wheel pant, it seems to me that it would be difficult to fair in a repaired spar to the elevator slot core. As you know, that is a fairly thin area to work in. Also if the spar is not load tested and proven prior to install, a failure could cause the elevator end to fail. Repairing the spar in that area would be difficult even for experienced glass guys. My suggestion to him was to find a spar.


Believe me, flying a newly repaired spar

Is much more disturbing and unnerving than my 1st. flight was. With all the other stuff going on during the first flight, this is additional mental anguish you don’t need.


Not saying it can’t be done but personally I would be trying to find another spar. There’s got to be one around somewhere and there’s something to be said about peace of mind.


Just my opinion.



N46JP - Q200


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From: <> on behalf of Jay Scheevel <jay@...>
Sent: Sunday, November 8, 2020 8:51:59 AM
To: <>
Subject: Re: [Q-List] Beginning labor pains #photo-notice


Hi Cody,


I think you can repair/rebuild that outboard end of the spar. Better to do that than try to use one from salvage/wrecked plane, since the spar usually breaks in a crash and would probably be damaged on any salvaged plane.


If you can find a new spar that is an option, but they are hard to find.


If you want to repair:
One way to do it would be to could cut the damaged portion off squarely, then hot-wire a foam plug with the length and taper as inside of the portion of the spar you are replacing. After cutting off the damaged part off the spar you feather the undamaged portion back 1” per ply of carbon to allow you to lay up the unidirectional plies overlapping the feathered plies by 1” corresponding to the number of plies and weight of carbon as on the good portion of the spar. Jig the hotwired plug to be perfectly aligned with the remaining undamaged spar then layup the top side with carbon fiber overlapping the tapers*** (make sure the uni-fibers are straight). After it cures, flip the spar over and lay up on the bottom side with the same number of plies, overlapping the plies from the top layup on front and back of the spar by about an inch. Make sure you use peel ply on the front and back of the spar when you lay up the top side, so your bottom side layup will bond properly. You will probably want to sand slightly after the repair to smooth out the areas where the feathered plies are. Be careful not to damage your layups***. Then you will want to wrap the repair with one BiD ply at 45 degrees for shear strength.


If you are unsure about the number of plies and weight of the carbon fiber, you can take a piece of the damaged section that you cut off and carefully examine it and or destroy it to find out how many plies.  If it was fiberglass, you could probably burn it and find out, but I am pretty sure that would incinerate carbon fiber….maybe some else knows for sure.


***See the composite repair instructions in the Quickie plans for how to feather and do layup repairs. The unidirectional carbon is available from aircraft spruce. Wear a mask when sanding. The carbon fiber dust is nasty.


I am sure that the composite experts in this group (I am NOT a composite expert!) will improve on my suggestions, so stand by to see if they chime in. Good luck.


By the way, if there are still bottles of epoxy from the original kit, throw them away. They are way too old by now to use.





From: <> On Behalf Of Cody
Sent: Saturday, November 07, 2020 11:29 PM
Subject: [Q-List] Beginning labor pains #photo-notice


Today my friend and I went into labor pains. We brought our baby "Gypsy Wind" to the hospital and made some contact with the doctors. Bruce, and Jim. So far we've got a mess of parts scattered and un-confirmed. We have found the fuselage is a little warped from sitting in pieces for 30 years. But there's a plan to fix that. We found the damage to one of the spare on the outboard edge to be more significant than we thought. Does anyone have a spar available? Maybe out of a crashed q200?

Mike Steinsland

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