Re: First Q2 Serial Number

Jay Scheevel

Good points, Vern. The only person that is still somewhat “available” to talk about what it was like in that QAC shop way back when is Scott Swing. It would be fun to get him to write a little retrospective from the QAC manufacturing side of the fence, at least as much as he can recall. It would be a good companion series to what our own Jim Masal produced from the perspective of the builder side of the fence.





From: <> On Behalf Of Frankenbird Vern
Sent: Saturday, February 26, 2022 12:15 PM
Subject: Re: [Q-List] First Q2 Serial Number



As all know, for registration with the FAA it isn't super critical about the serial numbers anyway since there is no such thing 

as Service Bulletin or Airworthiness Directive issued to our machines. 



 For me it is interesting in the question as to how many Q birds were actually released, because the fabrication of the 

shells and spars alone would have been an involved manufacturing line. Tooling for sure! Supply chain of the non layup parts 

another big challenge.  The FAA registry is of no particular help on numbers either. My project for instance..can't by

rights call it a Q2 OR a Dragonfly. 


 On my wifes airplane.. the Capella XS2.. the supply chain fails is what took the program into the Court system!  Not quite

as bad as the BD5 fiasco ended up being, but there was a lot of angst on the part of John Reid Howell Jr in Austin Texas.

 It's a nice airplane and kinda reminds me of Deputy Dog, well engineered and has good STOL performance but he was still

driven out.    


 Events like this aught be a warning to others that intend on aircraft factory startups which are really difficult to 

achieve even in the most favorable of Markets (cubic Dollars for one). You can have the best design from any other but 

get hammered from all nature of problems surrounding the build.


  A major part of the Manufacturing Engineering world as I did (do sometimes now also) is work around the supply chain

fails to meet the delivery day. Chasing down snafu's and doing design review sign offs to hopefully keep the bugs out before 

they hit the Shop. Globalization has BIG TIME magnified the problems, and the bean counters whining about raw material 

storage taxes and payrolls is what took us to our knees.  


 The suits killed off the "in house build" and in doing that we ended up with zero safety net to protect the schedule. Then they

wrote up and signed into stupid contracts. The Lazy B is now in a hurt partly because JIT went to hell in a handbasket. 

China Offset and others like that one bit them in the ass, just as the old timers in my world told them would happen.  


 It is a tribute that the Q factory did accomplish these kits, guys. It was a major task and still would be, and for what they had to work 

with I am amazed at the the quality details they produced. Its why completing the project IS worthwhile, if for no other reason 

than the efforts these folks went through to fabricate and ship the kits. I know it might sound corny but the folks doing the layups

were not thinking only of the paycheck. In some corner of their thoughts that knew they were making something

that fulfilled someones dream.  As Bruce says "Git Er Done!"   



From: <> on behalf of Jay Scheevel <jay@...>
Sent: Friday, February 25, 2022 10:23 PM
To: <>
Subject: Re: [Q-List] First Q2 Serial Number


I suspect that my kit may be one of the last full kits out the door at QAC. I received the last of my shipments in late 1984. 




On Feb 25, 2022, at 9:10 PM, Jim Patillo <Logistics_engineering@...> wrote:

My SN is #2468



N46JP Q200

From: <> on behalf of Mike Dwyer <q200pilot@...>
Sent: Friday, February 25, 2022 5:53:50 PM
To: <>
Subject: Re: [Q-List] First Q2 Serial Number


FYI, my Q200 kit was sn 2841.

Mike Dwyer Q200


On Fri, Feb 25, 2022, 8:44 PM Jay Scheevel <jay@...> wrote:

Hi Michael,


Like many kit manufacturers, the leading digit(s) represent the model. So the 2000’s indicate Q2, where the Q1’s had no leading digit (I think).  





From: <> On Behalf Of Michael Dunning
Sent: Friday, February 25, 2022 6:14 PM
Subject: [Q-List] First Q2 Serial Number


Found this little tidbit in Q-talk #17, anyone know of it's true?

Dear Jim,

Regarding serial number trivia, my recollection is that 2000-2009 were QAC factory reserved and 2010-2019 were reserved for the Canadian LeGare "factory" or vice versa. Mojave factory production units reportedly started at 2020 or so.

I am preparing again to complete my project. I finally got to talk to Gene Sheehan who was helpful and enthusiastic but has been heavily involved in a consulting job and hasn't been available at Mojave.

I also talked to Gordon Olsen at Cowley, Inc. (805) 824-2368 Mojave airport, who still has an oversized Q-2 canopy available.

Ben O'Brien, Redondo Beach, CA

Quicktalk 13 mentions Q1 serial numbers not going above 550.

In my case, that would mean I have the 807th Q2 kit QAC sold, not the almost 3-thousandth. That's still a big number but Jay's comment about sub kits getting S/N's is something I never thought about before. There may be a whole lot less fully complete kits out in the wild than I had originally thought?...
#2827 (still thinking about planning on visualizing how to finish building)

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