On Jan 23, 2021, at 7:00 PM, Kevin Sheeley via groups.io <kjsheely1@...> wrote:



I agree with Jay & Sam. I would like to change to more of a different wing tip but not worth the time. I had those designed in the early 90’s.

I think that I am going for wheel pants next.

Kevin

On Saturday, January 23, 2021, 3:21:51 PM EST, Mike via groups.io <n7000t@...> wrote:

I agree with you Sam!  Thanks for everyone’s input.

I’ll work on the other ideas gradually 

Mike N

On Jan 23, 2021, at 12:10 PM, Sam Kittle <skittle@...> wrote:



Mike,

Be sure to consider how much down time you will have before changing anything.  Then multiply that number by ten or maybe 100.

Sam K

On Jan 23, 2021, at 6:19 AM, Mike Dwyer <q200pilot@...> wrote:



I agree with Jay.

Mike Q200 

On Fri, Jan 22, 2021, 22:28 Jay Scheevel <jay@...> wrote:

I would say that overall, it is not worth the effort of changing what you have. There is a lot of variation in speeds of Q200’s and I think wing tip shape is down at the bottom of the list in terms of influencing drag/speed. My 2 cents.

 

Cheers,

Jay Scheevel, Tri-Q2 N8WQ 130 hours

 

From: main@Q-List.groups.io <main@Q-List.groups.io> On Behalf Of Mike via groups.io
Sent: Friday, January 22, 2021 1:50 PM
To: main@Q-List.groups.io
Subject: [Q-List] Plus and minus of main wing tips

 

Guys,
im soon to be a new owner of a standard configuration Q200. I’m wondering what everyone thinks about aerodynamic wing tips for speed and performance?   Or if you think it’s to much work than reward as a afterthought? I’ve seen a couple of Q pictures that have them( Kevin Sheely)  and maybe those folks can chime in also.
thanks in advance 

Mike N

On Jan 23, 2021, at 12:10 PM, Sam Kittle <skittle@...> wrote:

Mike,

Be sure to consider how much down time you will have before changing anything.  Then multiply that number by ten or maybe 100.

Sam K

On Jan 23, 2021, at 6:19 AM, Mike Dwyer <q200pilot@...> wrote:



I agree with Jay.

Mike Q200 

On Fri, Jan 22, 2021, 22:28 Jay Scheevel <jay@...> wrote:

I would say that overall, it is not worth the effort of changing what you have. There is a lot of variation in speeds of Q200’s and I think wing tip shape is down at the bottom of the list in terms of influencing drag/speed. My 2 cents.

 

Cheers,

Jay Scheevel, Tri-Q2 N8WQ 130 hours

 

From: main@Q-List.groups.io <main@Q-List.groups.io> On Behalf Of Mike via groups.io
Sent: Friday, January 22, 2021 1:50 PM
To: main@Q-List.groups.io
Subject: [Q-List] Plus and minus of main wing tips

 

Guys,
im soon to be a new owner of a standard configuration Q200. I’m wondering what everyone thinks about aerodynamic wing tips for speed and performance?   Or if you think it’s to much work than reward as a afterthought? I’ve seen a couple of Q pictures that have them( Kevin Sheely)  and maybe those folks can chime in also.
thanks in advance 

Mike N

On Jan 23, 2021, at 6:19 AM, Mike Dwyer <q200pilot@...> wrote:



I agree with Jay.

Mike Q200 

On Fri, Jan 22, 2021, 22:28 Jay Scheevel <jay@...> wrote:

I would say that overall, it is not worth the effort of changing what you have. There is a lot of variation in speeds of Q200’s and I think wing tip shape is down at the bottom of the list in terms of influencing drag/speed. My 2 cents.

 

Cheers,

Jay Scheevel, Tri-Q2 N8WQ 130 hours

 

From: main@Q-List.groups.io <main@Q-List.groups.io> On Behalf Of Mike via groups.io
Sent: Friday, January 22, 2021 1:50 PM
To: main@Q-List.groups.io
Subject: [Q-List] Plus and minus of main wing tips

 

Guys,
im soon to be a new owner of a standard configuration Q200. I’m wondering what everyone thinks about aerodynamic wing tips for speed and performance?   Or if you think it’s to much work than reward as a afterthought? I’ve seen a couple of Q pictures that have them( Kevin Sheely)  and maybe those folks can chime in also.
thanks in advance 

Mike N

On Jan 22, 2021, at 8:06 PM, Sam Hoskins <sam.hoskins@...> wrote:



Looking for speed & performance? IMHO here are the biggies:

Engine cooling efficiency. 

Wheel pant drag

Fairings & fillets

Engine & Propeller upgrades 

Each category can fill a book, but it's all out there. Except for #4, it's mostly elbow grease. 

Sam Hoskins 

Q-200 

On Fri, Jan 22, 2021, 2:50 PM Mike via groups.io <n7000t=yahoo.com@groups.io> wrote:

Guys,
im soon to be a new owner of a standard configuration Q200. I’m wondering what everyone thinks about aerodynamic wing tips for speed and performance?   Or if you think it’s to much work than reward as a afterthought? I’ve seen a couple of Q pictures that have them( Kevin Sheely)  and maybe those folks can chime in also.
thanks in advance 

Mike N

From: main@Q-List.groups.io <main@Q-List.groups.io> On Behalf Of Mike via groups.io
Sent: Friday, January 22, 2021 1:50 PM
To: main@Q-List.groups.io
Subject: [Q-List] Plus and minus of main wing tips

Guys,
im soon to be a new owner of a standard configuration Q200. I’m wondering what everyone thinks about aerodynamic wing tips for speed and performance?   Or if you think it’s to much work than reward as a afterthought? I’ve seen a couple of Q pictures that have them( Kevin Sheely)  and maybe those folks can chime in also.
thanks in advance 

Mike N

On Jan 17, 2021, at 7:58 PM, Bruce Crain <jcrain2@...> wrote:

Yeah she was all "Bruce bumps" at first!

B

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Subject: Re: [Q-List] 1st 2021 flight today.
Date: Sat, 16 Jan 2021 15:16:28 -0700

Kind of puts icing conditions in a whole different context, Bruce 😊

 

Cheers,

Jay

 

From: main@Q-List.groups.io <main@Q-List.groups.io> On Behalf Of Bruce Crain
Sent: Saturday, January 16, 2021 1:49 PM
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Subject: Re: [Q-List] 1st 2021 flight today.

 

Oh no!  Kevin had the right frequency dialed in for our Field Of Dream last September!  I think he must be on something!  Maybe he can pull it off this year!  Besides "Honey Lamb likes the cooler temps in May.  She kept putting frozen bottles of H20 under her arms and down between her legs on the trip home last July.  By the time we landed at our 1st stop her ice was gone and she was starting to show some wear!  

Bruce and HL

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From: "Paul Fisher" <rv7a.n18pf@...>
To: main@q-list.groups.io
Subject: Re: [Q-List] 1st 2021 flight today.
Date: Sat, 16 Jan 2021 09:01:12 -0600

Actually, this seems like normal Spring Fling weather - awful!!

 

On Sat, Jan 16, 2021, 08:51 Kevin Boddicker <trumanst@...> wrote:

Yea yea.

I’ll ship you some snow!!!

 

Kevin

 

On Jan 16, 2021, at 8:40 AM, One Sky Dog via groups.io <Oneskydog@...> wrote:

 

Forecast; sunny 73F high low 33F

 

I will be at the airport for pancake breakfast then working on the PA-22

My you tube channel

https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCr3x6bkHUw1UUQ96ATcRFfg

 

 

On Jan 16, 2021, at 7:05 AM, Kevin Boddicker <trumanst@...> wrote:

Good to hear Jerry.

I’m still weathered out. Between IFR, and snow on the runway, no dice.

Better days ahead!

 

Kevin

 

On Jan 14, 2021, at 8:18 PM, Jerry Marstall <jnmarstall@...> wrote:

 

Finally got my radio back. Surprisingly it worked after installing. Got the Q airworthy at 2:30 and gave it a test flight. 

 

53-deg, great vis, calm winds.  Went out to a local practice area and knocked off the rust with some airwork.  Back to the pattern for some crash and dashes and on to the hanger to wipe off the big grin.

 

Ya gotta love the Q.

Jerry 

 

 

 

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On Jan 17, 2021, at 11:12 AM, Mike Dwyer <q200pilot@...> wrote:



Does Alcohol eat the blue/orange foam?  I know gas does but I'm not sure about all the different Alcohols.

Mike Dwyer

YouTube Videos:  https://www.youtube.com/user/FlyMeAirplane/playlists

Q200 Website: http://goo.gl/V8IrJF

On Sun, Jan 17, 2021 at 11:36 AM Dorothea Keats <dkeats@...> wrote:

  Sam----------  Saw the video you made and am following that method ,
sort of.  As a homebuilder we modify the heck out of everything.

   I did the micro like you did although I thinned it with alcohol and
applied it much wetter than you. After sanding I am applying primer with
micro with a roller similar to your epoxi wipe.

  I like the charcoal Mike is suggesting , but has anyone ever tried
chalk for a chalk line?  Comes in blue and red and may do similar. I am
an old drywaller and we would add some chalk to drywall mud when you do
final patching so you can identify the spots you worked on.

  I sprayed the bottom lightly last night like Mike suggested. Sanded a
bit this morning and it worked great although I need to let it dry for
another day so as not to clog the paper.  I sand with 120 and 150. 
Works good in my application.

  I installed some more T nuts this morning in the firewall to hold my
oil cooler. Still can't get over how good an idea they are. Could of
used them thirty years ago. Also installed a plywood piece on the header
tank to allow for attaching a terminal block for various grounds.

  Still need to attach some points on the inner fuselage to allow for
attaching wiring and cables.

  Trying to think of everything, but i am bound to slip somewhere.  Take
care---------------  Chris


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On Jan 17, 2021, at 10:32 AM, Jay Scheevel <jay@...> wrote:

Kevin is right. Almost all of my attachments/hard points are Click Bond
hardware. I do NOT recommend you buy their adhesive. It is very good stuff,
but it REALLY stinks for hours during and after the cure, and it has
virtually no shelf life. I quit using it, because I could not use it fast
enough before it dried up inside the packages and I had to clear out of the
shop if I bonded even one fastener. Instead I use the same surface prep, but
then use JB weld (4-minute type). It is the best. Only caveat on JB Weld is
that it does conduct electricity, so be sure not to bond exposed wires with
it. Don't ask me how I know.

I am sure Charlie Johnson will chime in. I learned about Click Bond from
him.

Cheers,
Jay

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Sent: Sunday, January 17, 2021 10:10 AM
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Chris,
Look into Click Bond. Neet stuff and made for attachment points in planes.
Kevin

On Jan 17, 2021, at 10:35 AM, Dorothea Keats <dkeats@...> wrote:

Sam----------  Saw the video you made and am following that method , sort

of.  As a homebuilder we modify the heck out of everything.

 I did the micro like you did although I thinned it with alcohol and

applied it much wetter than you. After sanding I am applying primer with
micro with a roller similar to your epoxi wipe.

I like the charcoal Mike is suggesting , but has anyone ever tried chalk

for a chalk line?  Comes in blue and red and may do similar. I am an old
drywaller and we would add some chalk to drywall mud when you do final
patching so you can identify the spots you worked on.

I sprayed the bottom lightly last night like Mike suggested. Sanded a bit

this morning and it worked great although I need to let it dry for another
day so as not to clog the paper.  I sand with 120 and 150.  Works good in my
application.

I installed some more T nuts this morning in the firewall to hold my oil

cooler. Still can't get over how good an idea they are. Could of used them
thirty years ago. Also installed a plywood piece on the header tank to allow
for attaching a terminal block for various grounds.

Still need to attach some points on the inner fuselage to allow for

attaching wiring and cables.

Trying to think of everything, but i am bound to slip somewhere.  Take

care---------------  Chris

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