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Re: AV30
Do you think it would help to put ferrite beads on coax and wiring coming out of different instruments?
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Maybe bring all of your wiring back to a big grounding block? Seemed to help mine long ago. Pushing the mic button would affect my auto pilot. It’s been a long time since I did both of those things and today it is still solid even when hitting the mic button. RF? RMI? Bruce
On Nov 27, 2022, at 3:33 PM, Jim Patillo <Logistics_engineering@...> wrote:
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Re: AV30
Rick Hole
Living in Honduras (where GA is practically non-existent) I don’t have much opportunity to stay current. I have not dealt with Uavonix but have installed and debugged other manufacturer’s gear. Their internal and external magnetometer offerings are not necessarily of the same quality. The cheapest tech may work well enough for installations where the panel is sparse and no wiring or ferrous metals are within a foot or so of the unit. My experience is that the external magnetometer is required almost every time. Placing the external one is an exercise in black magic. My installs were Velocities and each project was unique. Magn. placement in one plane often did not work in the next. Garmin specs called for a level of isolation such that there was no possible location meeting all the specs. I had to find the best compromise.
How these companies market their goods is based, wouldn’t you think, on what delivers the most profit. Certainly selling gear that would appear to have a working magn. onboard when it is nearly always useless, well, I would not predict that feature would be helpful for profit in the long run. Reputation catches up.
Having two units side in the panel means the two internals will have different levels of magnetic interference. I would be surprised if both would calibrate successfully, and even then they could easily be off on some headings.
Why not program them to use GPS heading when available? I am getting foggy on that detail. One reason would be that GPS takes far longer to react to the heading change. That could be a hazard in IMC. I would think that keeping track of the GPS heading in some sort of accumulated error statistic could help verify the integrity of the internal magn. and advise “Warning: magn. data is full of crap!”
Comment: I would not rely much on technical support given by a company for a product they have not manufactured…
Question: How is MGL doing these days? Ten years ago they had gear that looked great. Pilots who flew with them hated them as having lagging AHARS. I did several panel upgrades for MGL units to be scrapped as unacceptable. Hopefully they have either overcome or faded into the sunset.
Rick Hole
From: main@Q-List.groups.io [mailto:main@Q-List.groups.io] On Behalf Of Jim Patillo
Sent: Sunday, November 27, 2022 7:34 PM To: main@Q-List.groups.io Subject: Re: [Q-List] AV30
Hey Rick and Kevin, you know they should be giving us the damn things (remote mag) for free. Have you tried working on Uavonix for something to be done about this. I’m about to.
I have two AV30’s and they don’t agree after 15 minutes (when both are set to show DG’s) and forget maintaining the heading. I’ve talked to Uavonix before about calibration and did exactly as they instructed with the figure 8’s etc. but no bueno. The displays and other features are great but the DG feature isn’t reliable as is. I don’t get how they can sell them as a DG with smiles on their faces. As a side, I love the rest of the jam-packed features these little units provide. They have bright and clear screens that work well in direct sun light. Great for clear or tinted canopies.
Jim N46JP Q200
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Re: AV30
Hey Rick and Kevin, you know they should be giving us the damn things (remote mag) for free. Have you tried working on Uavonix for something to be done about this. I’m about to.
I have two AV30’s and they don’t agree after 15 minutes (when both are set to show DG’s) and forget maintaining the heading. I’ve talked to Uavonix before about calibration and did exactly as they instructed with the figure 8’s etc. but no bueno.
The displays and other features are great but the DG feature isn’t reliable as is. I don’t get how they can sell them as a DG with smiles on their faces. As a side, I love the rest of the jam-packed features these little units
provide. They have bright and clear screens that work well in direct sun light. Great for clear or tinted canopies.
Jim
N46JP Q200
From: main@Q-List.groups.io <main@Q-List.groups.io> on behalf of Kevin Boddicker <trumanst@...>
Sent: Sunday, November 27, 2022 12:17:15 PM To: main@q-list.groups.io <main@Q-List.groups.io> Subject: Re: [Q-List] AV30 I too have one AV30 installed. Talked with the rep at OSH. She said if it precesses more than a few degrees in 15 minutes, a remote is needed.
The reason cited was magnetic interference in the panel. I bought it for the DG! Had a bad DG vacuum driven, and my compass goes crazy
when I excite the alternator. The crazy part is that I will see 10 to 20 degree swing during flight. When I get on the ground and am taxiing to the hanger,
it will be very close to the setting I used before TO. (the times I have checked)
In my case I believe that in flight I am using the GPS and looking at track. Not magnetic. We automatically correct for wind correction and variation.
Even though variation is 1° or so in this area, so I would consider it non existent. With light and variable winds aloft it seems to do better.
Just my theory. I don’t have a bunch of hours on the unit. So you will need to make your own conclusions.
Kevin
Boddicker
TriQ 200 N7868B 593 hrs Luana, IA. Less
hours than Jim P!!! Congrats Jim.
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Re: AV30
Kevin Boddicker
I too have one AV30 installed. Talked with the rep at OSH. She said if it precesses more than a few degrees in 15 minutes, a remote is needed.
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The reason cited was magnetic interference in the panel. I bought it for the DG! Had a bad DG vacuum driven, and my compass goes crazy when I excite the alternator. The crazy part is that I will see 10 to 20 degree swing during flight. When I get on the ground and am taxiing to the hanger, it will be very close to the setting I used before TO. (the times I have checked) In my case I believe that in flight I am using the GPS and looking at track. Not magnetic. We automatically correct for wind correction and variation. Even though variation is 1° or so in this area, so I would consider it non existent. With light and variable winds aloft it seems to do better. Just my theory. I don’t have a bunch of hours on the unit. So you will need to make your own conclusions.
Kevin Boddicker TriQ 200 N7868B 593 hrs Luana, IA. Less hours than Jim P!!! Congrats Jim.
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Re: AV30
Rick Hole
The problem with internal magnetometers in a panel instrument is proximity to steel or wiring carrying any significant current. External magnetometers can be placed where there are no stray magnetic fields. I have installed bunches. Occasionally an internal magnetometer can be calibrated. If you are very, very lucky. Rick Hole
On Sat, Nov 26, 2022, 8:56 PM Jim Patillo <Logistics_engineering@...> wrote:
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Re: AV30
Paul Fisher
Interesting. I just ordered one (Black Friday sale). I really wanted the artificial horizon function, but I was hoping the DG would work as well. I guess I'll find out! Although it may have to wait until it warms up a little - working in a cold hangar is no fun!! Congratulations on 2000 hours Jim! Paul
On Sat, Nov 26, 2022, 20:56 Jim Patillo <Logistics_engineering@...> wrote:
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Re: AV30
Hi Ben and Keith,
Uavonix does sell a remote magnometer compatible with these units. They’ve added it as an option for $295.00 but you would think that after spending that much for AV30’s their internal magnetometers would work better. You can set them both in
DG mode and go fly for 15 minutes and they vary from each other after each and are off course. I’ve tried calibrating them and talking to the factory but that hasn’t helped so far. Everything else works great.
Jim
N46JP - Q200
From: main@Q-List.groups.io <main@Q-List.groups.io> on behalf of Ben Wilson <4benwilson@...>
Sent: Saturday, November 26, 2022 4:35:31 PM To: main@Q-List.groups.io <main@Q-List.groups.io> Subject: Re: [Q-List] AV30 Here’s what ACS says:
“Q: Will this unit work on the AV30 for a DG? No, this is only used for compatible MGL instruments. The AV-30 is a non-slaved DG, so it does not require a remote magnetometer.”
Hmmmm……
From: main@Q-List.groups.io <main@Q-List.groups.io>
On Behalf Of Adam Radloff
Jim, forget it without the magnetometer. I own 2 also and have the same complaint, personally I think uAvionix should provide the magnetometer for free for the poor saps like us that bought them. It's false advertising in my opinion. If you research the web and review the AV-30 Facebook group there are many many complaints.
On Sat, Nov 26, 2022, 11:28 AM Jim Patillo <Logistics_engineering@...> wrote:
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Re: AV30
Here’s what ACS says:
“Q: Will this unit work on the AV30 for a DG? No, this is only used for compatible MGL instruments. The AV-30 is a non-slaved DG, so it does not require a remote magnetometer.”
Hmmmm……
From: main@Q-List.groups.io <main@Q-List.groups.io> On Behalf Of Adam Radloff
Sent: Saturday, November 26, 2022 12:46 PM To: main@q-list.groups.io Subject: Re: [Q-List] AV30
Jim, forget it without the magnetometer. I own 2 also and have the same complaint, personally I think uAvionix should provide the magnetometer for free for the poor saps like us that bought them. It's false advertising in my opinion. If you research the web and review the AV-30 Facebook group there are many many complaints.
On Sat, Nov 26, 2022, 11:28 AM Jim Patillo <Logistics_engineering@...> wrote:
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Re: AV30
Adam Radloff
Jim, forget it without the magnetometer. I own 2 also and have the same complaint, personally I think uAvionix should provide the magnetometer for free for the poor saps like us that bought them. It's false advertising in my opinion. If you research the web and review the AV-30 Facebook group there are many many complaints.
On Sat, Nov 26, 2022, 11:28 AM Jim Patillo <Logistics_engineering@...> wrote:
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Re: Thanks
Jon Finley
Thank you Craig! I really appreciate your kind words. The number of people in the Q world is small but the quality is very high! I've been thoroughly impresssed by MANY of them over my 30 year run. Obviously going back to Jimmy and all that he did to keep the dream alive but many, many others as well - too many to name - and I echo Craigs feelings. A very big thank you to all that have made this little family so great and so important to me. We just keep trying to pay it forward! I suppose that's part of the reason I keep trying to share the amazing sights and experiences - now via video. Not sure I'm succeeding (cause the talent level is incredibly low) but I keep trying. Here is the latest attempt: https://youtu.be/f07sc_dzTsg
Jon Finley Flying an RV-4 - Truth or Consequences, NM Flying Videos - YouTube
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Re: AV30
Hi Jim,
I installed a second one in my Thorp in Oct. Got it a free cap and two multi tools at OSH...nice folks. I agree that it was fun removing all the vacuum stuff.
What little I've flown it it seems to be working ok but I've only flown it very little just round home. No x-cty's to verify that it'll stay on track.
The fall season here kinda put a hold on flying.
While on the line I'm putting new seat belts in the plane from Crow Safety Gear. Much more cost effective and they have a very informative website and are good to visit with.
This 1982 built plane had automotive type seat belts installed originally with the push button release. Knowing that type release is not legal for aircraft I was puzzled to
find a sewed on label saying they were FAA TSO'd. Would that have been true back then?
Thanks
Keith
---------- Original Message ---------- From: "Jim Patillo" <Logistics_engineering@...> To: main@Q-List.groups.io Subject: [Q-List] AV30 Date: Sat, 26 Nov 2022 08:28:08 -0800 Good morning all,
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AV30
Good morning all,
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Re: Thanks
craig hopkins
Not sure how to drop you a private note - so in the absence of that Jon - thanks for sharing your time all those years ago. I still have all the emails - or at least the keys ones - printed out and in a file. Not sure where that file is now but did see it a year ago as we packed up and moved house. It’s somewhere. Some VERY grainy black photos printed with a ribbon printer of some pics you sent me for inspiration. I just wanted to say thanks. Glad to see you still around and still involved with the quickies…  About 1/2 way through a Mitchell wing B10 build so need to crack on with that now to free up the space.. All the best Jon Craig
On 26 Nov 2022, at 12:19, Jon Finley <jd@...> wrote:
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Jon Finley
CONGRATULATIONS CRAIG!!! Very exciting stuff and the wait makes it all that much sweeter!
Thanks for the kind words too!! Jon Finley Flying an RV-4 - Truth or Consequences, NM Flying Videos - YouTube
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Thanks
craig hopkins
In the mid 90’s, back when our internet connection was still pick up the phone, dial the number, put the phone on the modem type internet, I came across the Q1. I thought it was absolutely amazing!
In trying to find out more I came across Jon Findlay who was kind enough to share some of his time and info with a bright eyed enthusiastic but otherwise clueless kid. I think generous and legend are two words that sun up Jon from my memory! Well, 30-odd years later the kid got far less hair, hasn’t grown up a whole lot to be fair and, more importantly, now has a beautiful looking Q1 of his own! Got there in the end - even if it took 3 decades! It needs some work on the fuel system as well as a general going over. I’ll only have the time and space to do this later half of 2023 but what’s another years wait?!? Give me a bit of a kick to finish the existing build and get it out the garage Just wanted to say hi and reach out to Jon to say a big thanks Craig
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Re: Flight report
280 hours now Jay, well done. Thanks for the encouragement Rich T. On 25/11/2022 18:36, Jay Scheevel
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Flight report
Well yesterday I gave thanks for abundance, family and friends. Today I gave thanks for completing my annual condition inspection, beautiful clear fall skies, and the freedom to fly. So I went for a nice flight and everything ran perfectly and was most enjoyable. If you are still building, get going guys. It is too much fun.
Cheers, Jay Scheevel Tri-Q2 N8WQ, 280 hours.
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Re: Cool flight.
Great report Bruce, glad you got it sorted.
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On 18/11/2022 00:01, Bruce Crain wrote:
Thanks Jay and Ed! Best of all is I can take a nap instead of working and chasing a problem.
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Thanks Jay and Ed! Best of all is I can take a nap instead of working and chasing a problem.
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On Nov 17, 2022, at 9:15 AM, Jay Scheevel <jay@...> wrote:
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Great report, Bruce. Very "Crain-ian" Glad you have your autopilot in good working condition. Makes getting to those fly-ins that much easier!
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Cheers, Jay
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From: main@Q-List.groups.io <main@Q-List.groups.io> On Behalf Of Bruce Crain Sent: Wednesday, November 16, 2022 8:48 PM To: main@q-list.groups.io Subject: [Q-List] Cool flight. Yep it was 33 degrees at 3500’ MSL but the sun was shining so it wasn’t too bad and had the cockpit heater on. The oil temp barely showed up even with the oil cooler door closed. (Apparently it leaks a bit). I was solo and 1/2 fuel so off the departure end I watched 2000’/minute climb rate. A bit bumpy but not bad. At one point I wanted to check the autopilot out as I had installed a remote antenna up by the canopy to get better reception. So I flew out bound and reset the Garmin 660 gps coupled to the Trio Autopilot. It turned but not like I expected and when it turned me inbound it went past the line several times. So I thought “gummit” I need to work on it. When I was about 4 miles out from WDG I noticed the “Servo” light was not on the autopilot! Apparently I had been “helping” the autopilot more than I thought with my rudder pedals! (Yes you can bank the TriQ with your rudder.). So I alerted WDG tower I was going out bound to the northeast to check something. So I am out bound for about 15 miles and rest the Garmin 660 for WDG. When I pushed the Trio “servo” button the Quickie turned 180 back and nailed the inbound course. So I put the TriQ 200 back in the hanger knowing it flew perfectly and I would not need to trouble shoot and call Garmin and Trio. On a side note our RV6 radio is having trouble with noise and after trading radios with my friend Mike who has the same Michel radio we found my old radio is the culprit. So now I have a new $3400 radio coming next week! Merry Christmas, happy birthday, etc for several years! My serial number for the old radio is 2300 and Mike’s newer radio serial number is 10,000! So my old unit is no longer supported for repair. Newer radios have tighter frequencies among other better reversions and up grades so yeah it will be better and the worry factor goes down for long cross country trips. Sometime you have to throw money at things to fix them correctly. Yeah radios don’t generate lift but things go much more smoothly especially if you’re in a class B airspace. Bruce Crain
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