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Re: Plus and minus of main wing tips

 

Thanks for your input Kevin 

Mike N


On Jan 23, 2021, at 7:00 PM, Kevin Sheeley via groups.io <kjsheely1@...> wrote:


I agree with Jay & Sam. I would like to change to more of a different wing tip but not worth the time. I had those designed in the early 90’s.

I think that I am going for wheel pants next.

Kevin

On Saturday, January 23, 2021, 3:21:51 PM EST, Mike via groups.io <n7000t@...> wrote:


I agree with you Sam!  Thanks for everyone’s input.
I’ll work on the other ideas gradually 

Mike N


On Jan 23, 2021, at 12:10 PM, Sam Kittle <skittle@...> wrote:


Mike,
Be sure to consider how much down time you will have before changing anything.  Then multiply that number by ten or maybe 100.

Sam K


On Jan 23, 2021, at 6:19 AM, Mike Dwyer <q200pilot@...> wrote:


I agree with Jay.
Mike Q200 

On Fri, Jan 22, 2021, 22:28 Jay Scheevel <jay@...> wrote:

I would say that overall, it is not worth the effort of changing what you have. There is a lot of variation in speeds of Q200’s and I think wing tip shape is down at the bottom of the list in terms of influencing drag/speed. My 2 cents.

 

Cheers,

Jay Scheevel, Tri-Q2 N8WQ 130 hours

 

From: main@Q-List.groups.io <main@Q-List.groups.io> On Behalf Of Mike via groups.io
Sent: Friday, January 22, 2021 1:50 PM
To: main@Q-List.groups.io
Subject: [Q-List] Plus and minus of main wing tips

 

Guys,
im soon to be a new owner of a standard configuration Q200. I’m wondering what everyone thinks about aerodynamic wing tips for speed and performance?   Or if you think it’s to much work than reward as a afterthought? I’ve seen a couple of Q pictures that have them( Kevin Sheely)  and maybe those folks can chime in also.
thanks in advance 

Mike N


Re: Plus and minus of main wing tips

Kevin Sheeley
 

I agree with Jay & Sam. I would like to change to more of a different wing tip but not worth the time. I had those designed in the early 90’s.

I think that I am going for wheel pants next.

Kevin

On Saturday, January 23, 2021, 3:21:51 PM EST, Mike via groups.io <n7000t@...> wrote:


I agree with you Sam!  Thanks for everyone’s input.
I’ll work on the other ideas gradually 

Mike N


On Jan 23, 2021, at 12:10 PM, Sam Kittle <skittle@...> wrote:


Mike,
Be sure to consider how much down time you will have before changing anything.  Then multiply that number by ten or maybe 100.

Sam K


On Jan 23, 2021, at 6:19 AM, Mike Dwyer <q200pilot@...> wrote:


I agree with Jay.
Mike Q200 

On Fri, Jan 22, 2021, 22:28 Jay Scheevel <jay@...> wrote:

I would say that overall, it is not worth the effort of changing what you have. There is a lot of variation in speeds of Q200’s and I think wing tip shape is down at the bottom of the list in terms of influencing drag/speed. My 2 cents.

 

Cheers,

Jay Scheevel, Tri-Q2 N8WQ 130 hours

 

From: main@Q-List.groups.io <main@Q-List.groups.io> On Behalf Of Mike via groups.io
Sent: Friday, January 22, 2021 1:50 PM
To: main@Q-List.groups.io
Subject: [Q-List] Plus and minus of main wing tips

 

Guys,
im soon to be a new owner of a standard configuration Q200. I’m wondering what everyone thinks about aerodynamic wing tips for speed and performance?   Or if you think it’s to much work than reward as a afterthought? I’ve seen a couple of Q pictures that have them( Kevin Sheely)  and maybe those folks can chime in also.
thanks in advance 

Mike N


Re: Plus and minus of main wing tips

 

I agree with you Sam!  Thanks for everyone’s input.
I’ll work on the other ideas gradually 

Mike N


On Jan 23, 2021, at 12:10 PM, Sam Kittle <skittle@...> wrote:

Mike,
Be sure to consider how much down time you will have before changing anything.  Then multiply that number by ten or maybe 100.

Sam K


On Jan 23, 2021, at 6:19 AM, Mike Dwyer <q200pilot@...> wrote:


I agree with Jay.
Mike Q200 

On Fri, Jan 22, 2021, 22:28 Jay Scheevel <jay@...> wrote:

I would say that overall, it is not worth the effort of changing what you have. There is a lot of variation in speeds of Q200’s and I think wing tip shape is down at the bottom of the list in terms of influencing drag/speed. My 2 cents.

 

Cheers,

Jay Scheevel, Tri-Q2 N8WQ 130 hours

 

From: main@Q-List.groups.io <main@Q-List.groups.io> On Behalf Of Mike via groups.io
Sent: Friday, January 22, 2021 1:50 PM
To: main@Q-List.groups.io
Subject: [Q-List] Plus and minus of main wing tips

 

Guys,
im soon to be a new owner of a standard configuration Q200. I’m wondering what everyone thinks about aerodynamic wing tips for speed and performance?   Or if you think it’s to much work than reward as a afterthought? I’ve seen a couple of Q pictures that have them( Kevin Sheely)  and maybe those folks can chime in also.
thanks in advance 

Mike N


Re: Plus and minus of main wing tips

Sam Kittle
 

Mike,
Be sure to consider how much down time you will have before changing anything.  Then multiply that number by ten or maybe 100.

Sam K


On Jan 23, 2021, at 6:19 AM, Mike Dwyer <q200pilot@...> wrote:


I agree with Jay.
Mike Q200 

On Fri, Jan 22, 2021, 22:28 Jay Scheevel <jay@...> wrote:

I would say that overall, it is not worth the effort of changing what you have. There is a lot of variation in speeds of Q200’s and I think wing tip shape is down at the bottom of the list in terms of influencing drag/speed. My 2 cents.

 

Cheers,

Jay Scheevel, Tri-Q2 N8WQ 130 hours

 

From: main@Q-List.groups.io <main@Q-List.groups.io> On Behalf Of Mike via groups.io
Sent: Friday, January 22, 2021 1:50 PM
To: main@Q-List.groups.io
Subject: [Q-List] Plus and minus of main wing tips

 

Guys,
im soon to be a new owner of a standard configuration Q200. I’m wondering what everyone thinks about aerodynamic wing tips for speed and performance?   Or if you think it’s to much work than reward as a afterthought? I’ve seen a couple of Q pictures that have them( Kevin Sheely)  and maybe those folks can chime in also.
thanks in advance 

Mike N


Re: Plus and minus of main wing tips

Mike Dwyer
 

I agree with Jay.
Mike Q200 

On Fri, Jan 22, 2021, 22:28 Jay Scheevel <jay@...> wrote:

I would say that overall, it is not worth the effort of changing what you have. There is a lot of variation in speeds of Q200’s and I think wing tip shape is down at the bottom of the list in terms of influencing drag/speed. My 2 cents.

 

Cheers,

Jay Scheevel, Tri-Q2 N8WQ 130 hours

 

From: main@Q-List.groups.io <main@Q-List.groups.io> On Behalf Of Mike via groups.io
Sent: Friday, January 22, 2021 1:50 PM
To: main@Q-List.groups.io
Subject: [Q-List] Plus and minus of main wing tips

 

Guys,
im soon to be a new owner of a standard configuration Q200. I’m wondering what everyone thinks about aerodynamic wing tips for speed and performance?   Or if you think it’s to much work than reward as a afterthought? I’ve seen a couple of Q pictures that have them( Kevin Sheely)  and maybe those folks can chime in also.
thanks in advance 

Mike N


Re: Plus and minus of main wing tips

 

Thanks guys.  Very good points to ponder 

Mike N


On Jan 22, 2021, at 8:06 PM, Sam Hoskins <sam.hoskins@...> wrote:


Looking for speed & performance? IMHO here are the biggies:

Engine cooling efficiency. 
Wheel pant drag
Fairings & fillets
Engine & Propeller upgrades 

Each category can fill a book, but it's all out there. Except for #4, it's mostly elbow grease. 

Sam Hoskins 
Q-200 

On Fri, Jan 22, 2021, 2:50 PM Mike via groups.io <n7000t=yahoo.com@groups.io> wrote:
Guys,
im soon to be a new owner of a standard configuration Q200. I’m wondering what everyone thinks about aerodynamic wing tips for speed and performance?   Or if you think it’s to much work than reward as a afterthought? I’ve seen a couple of Q pictures that have them( Kevin Sheely)  and maybe those folks can chime in also.
thanks in advance 

Mike N


Re: Plus and minus of main wing tips

Sam Hoskins
 

Looking for speed & performance? IMHO here are the biggies:

Engine cooling efficiency. 
Wheel pant drag
Fairings & fillets
Engine & Propeller upgrades 

Each category can fill a book, but it's all out there. Except for #4, it's mostly elbow grease. 

Sam Hoskins 
Q-200 


On Fri, Jan 22, 2021, 2:50 PM Mike via groups.io <n7000t=yahoo.com@groups.io> wrote:
Guys,
im soon to be a new owner of a standard configuration Q200. I’m wondering what everyone thinks about aerodynamic wing tips for speed and performance?   Or if you think it’s to much work than reward as a afterthought? I’ve seen a couple of Q pictures that have them( Kevin Sheely)  and maybe those folks can chime in also.
thanks in advance 

Mike N


Re: Plus and minus of main wing tips

Jay Scheevel
 

I would say that overall, it is not worth the effort of changing what you have. There is a lot of variation in speeds of Q200’s and I think wing tip shape is down at the bottom of the list in terms of influencing drag/speed. My 2 cents.

 

Cheers,

Jay Scheevel, Tri-Q2 N8WQ 130 hours

 

From: main@Q-List.groups.io <main@Q-List.groups.io> On Behalf Of Mike via groups.io
Sent: Friday, January 22, 2021 1:50 PM
To: main@Q-List.groups.io
Subject: [Q-List] Plus and minus of main wing tips

 

Guys,
im soon to be a new owner of a standard configuration Q200. I’m wondering what everyone thinks about aerodynamic wing tips for speed and performance?   Or if you think it’s to much work than reward as a afterthought? I’ve seen a couple of Q pictures that have them( Kevin Sheely)  and maybe those folks can chime in also.
thanks in advance 

Mike N


Plus and minus of main wing tips

 

Guys,
im soon to be a new owner of a standard configuration Q200. I’m wondering what everyone thinks about aerodynamic wing tips for speed and performance?   Or if you think it’s to much work than reward as a afterthought? I’ve seen a couple of Q pictures that have them( Kevin Sheely)  and maybe those folks can chime in also.
thanks in advance 

Mike N


Re: 1st 2021 flight today.

Kevin Boddicker
 

You’re a sad man!!!!

On Jan 17, 2021, at 7:58 PM, Bruce Crain <jcrain2@...> wrote:

Yeah she was all "Bruce bumps" at first!
B

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Subject: Re: [Q-List] 1st 2021 flight today.
Date: Sat, 16 Jan 2021 15:16:28 -0700


Kind of puts icing conditions in a whole different context, Bruce 😊

 

Cheers,

Jay

 

From: main@Q-List.groups.io <main@Q-List.groups.io> On Behalf Of Bruce Crain
Sent: Saturday, January 16, 2021 1:49 PM
To: main@Q-List.groups.io
Subject: Re: [Q-List] 1st 2021 flight today.

 

Oh no!  Kevin had the right frequency dialed in for our Field Of Dream last September!  I think he must be on something!  Maybe he can pull it off this year!  Besides "Honey Lamb likes the cooler temps in May.  She kept putting frozen bottles of H20 under her arms and down between her legs on the trip home last July.  By the time we landed at our 1st stop her ice was gone and she was starting to show some wear!  

Bruce and HL

---------- Original Message ----------
From: "Paul Fisher" <rv7a.n18pf@...>
To: main@q-list.groups.io
Subject: Re: [Q-List] 1st 2021 flight today.
Date: Sat, 16 Jan 2021 09:01:12 -0600

Actually, this seems like normal Spring Fling weather - awful!!

 

On Sat, Jan 16, 2021, 08:51 Kevin Boddicker <trumanst@...> wrote:

Yea yea.

I’ll ship you some snow!!!

 

Kevin

 

On Jan 16, 2021, at 8:40 AM, One Sky Dog via groups.io <Oneskydog@...> wrote:

 

Forecast; sunny 73F high low 33F

 

I will be at the airport for pancake breakfast then working on the PA-22

 

On Jan 16, 2021, at 7:05 AM, Kevin Boddicker <trumanst@...> wrote:

Good to hear Jerry.

I’m still weathered out. Between IFR, and snow on the runway, no dice.

Better days ahead!

 

Kevin

 

On Jan 14, 2021, at 8:18 PM, Jerry Marstall <jnmarstall@...> wrote:

 

Finally got my radio back. Surprisingly it worked after installing. Got the Q airworthy at 2:30 and gave it a test flight. 

 

53-deg, great vis, calm winds.  Went out to a local practice area and knocked off the rust with some airwork.  Back to the pattern for some crash and dashes and on to the hanger to wipe off the big grin.

 

Ya gotta love the Q.

Jerry 

 
 
 




Re: progress

Jay Scheevel
 

Just like a mirror, Mike! Wish I had a paint booth. Very nice.

 

Cheers,

Jay

 

From: main@Q-List.groups.io <main@Q-List.groups.io> On Behalf Of Mike Steinsland
Sent: Monday, January 18, 2021 8:05 AM
To: main@Q-List.groups.io Group Moderators <main@q-list.groups.io>
Subject: Re: [Q-List] progress

 

Sure like that video Sam and I like the presentation, you're a skilled communicator.

Judging from the reflection on the wing you got that pretty straight.

 

I've always been open to new ways of doing things, particularly while I was working on high level show cars over the years. I've learned there's always another way to skin a cat and you don't progress and increase your craftsmanship if you stay in the same mindset.

I'm going to give your method a try when the time comes to do the finishing work. I'll let you guys know what the differences are.

In the mean-time I've attached a picture of a reflection in the door of one of the many paint jobs I've done over the years.

 

I really enjoyed that video. It was very informative. Thanks for taking the time to do that.

 

 

On Sun, Jan 17, 2021 at 7:33 AM Sam Hoskins <sam.hoskins@...> wrote:

I hope you guys have seen my epoxy wipe video. Probably too late in your stage, but it really works well and eliminates a lot of pain. Here it is. 

 

On Sat, Jan 16, 2021, 9:24 PM Mike Steinsland <MIKESKUSTOMS@...> wrote:

 

On Sat, Jan 16, 2021 at 10:13 PM Mike Steinsland <mikeskustoms@...> wrote:

I usually start with a coarser paper, 80 - 120 just to take the "crust" off then hit it with a guide coat again and progressively move up to a finer paper.

If you go through the primer STOP (unless it's your filler)

 

3M makes a charcoal guide coat that I have used for years.

Here's an amazon link but you should be able to get it through your local jobber a lot cheaper

 

 

You put it on with a sponge like applicator (it's part of the the lid top)  You don't have to put it on heavy, a very light coat will give you all the contrast you need.

1 container will easily do your airplane

 

Nice thing with this is you don't get stinky paint fumes and overspray

 

On Sat, Jan 16, 2021 at 8:21 PM Dorothea Keats <dkeats@...> wrote:

  Good tip Mike.  I use a two foot board mostly and a sanding block
along with a trouble light to look for lows and highs. I'll give the
light misting of black paint a try.  I put the primmer on with a roller
. I  have premarked  with a pencil any low spots I can feel with my
hand. The prime I use I have mixed with micro so I lay it on thick in
the low spots. Board sand it later. Your suggestion will make it all
that much better.   Take care---------------  Chris


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Re: progress

Dorothea Keats
 

Mike---------  I have done some tests and  gas, laquer thinner , paint thinnner, acetone will all eat the foam instantley.

 Methal hydrate [ gasline antifreeze] does not seem to. Maybe if left there long enough it would, but for my use it evaporates quickly and does the job.  Do a test yourself to make you more comfortable.  Take care ---------- Chris


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Re: progress

Mike Steinsland
 

Sure like that video Sam and I like the presentation, you're a skilled communicator.
Judging from the reflection on the wing you got that pretty straight.

I've always been open to new ways of doing things, particularly while I was working on high level show cars over the years. I've learned there's always another way to skin a cat and you don't progress and increase your craftsmanship if you stay in the same mindset.
I'm going to give your method a try when the time comes to do the finishing work. I'll let you guys know what the differences are.
In the mean-time I've attached a picture of a reflection in the door of one of the many paint jobs I've done over the years.

I really enjoyed that video. It was very informative. Thanks for taking the time to do that.


On Sun, Jan 17, 2021 at 7:33 AM Sam Hoskins <sam.hoskins@...> wrote:
I hope you guys have seen my epoxy wipe video. Probably too late in your stage, but it really works well and eliminates a lot of pain. Here it is. 

On Sat, Jan 16, 2021, 9:24 PM Mike Steinsland <MIKESKUSTOMS@...> wrote:

On Sat, Jan 16, 2021 at 10:13 PM Mike Steinsland <mikeskustoms@...> wrote:
I usually start with a coarser paper, 80 - 120 just to take the "crust" off then hit it with a guide coat again and progressively move up to a finer paper.
If you go through the primer STOP (unless it's your filler)

3M makes a charcoal guide coat that I have used for years.
Here's an amazon link but you should be able to get it through your local jobber a lot cheaper


You put it on with a sponge like applicator (it's part of the the lid top)  You don't have to put it on heavy, a very light coat will give you all the contrast you need.
1 container will easily do your airplane

Nice thing with this is you don't get stinky paint fumes and overspray

On Sat, Jan 16, 2021 at 8:21 PM Dorothea Keats <dkeats@...> wrote:
  Good tip Mike.  I use a two foot board mostly and a sanding block
along with a trouble light to look for lows and highs. I'll give the
light misting of black paint a try.  I put the primmer on with a roller
. I  have premarked  with a pencil any low spots I can feel with my
hand. The prime I use I have mixed with micro so I lay it on thick in
the low spots. Board sand it later. Your suggestion will make it all
that much better.   Take care---------------  Chris


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Re: 1st 2021 flight today.

Bruce Crain
 

Yeah she was all "Bruce bumps" at first!
B


---------- Original Message ----------
From: "Jay Scheevel" <jay@...>
To: <main@Q-List.groups.io>
Subject: Re: [Q-List] 1st 2021 flight today.
Date: Sat, 16 Jan 2021 15:16:28 -0700

Kind of puts icing conditions in a whole different context, Bruce 😊

 

Cheers,

Jay

 

From: main@Q-List.groups.io <main@Q-List.groups.io> On Behalf Of Bruce Crain
Sent: Saturday, January 16, 2021 1:49 PM
To: main@Q-List.groups.io
Subject: Re: [Q-List] 1st 2021 flight today.

 

Oh no!  Kevin had the right frequency dialed in for our Field Of Dream last September!  I think he must be on something!  Maybe he can pull it off this year!  Besides "Honey Lamb likes the cooler temps in May.  She kept putting frozen bottles of H20 under her arms and down between her legs on the trip home last July.  By the time we landed at our 1st stop her ice was gone and she was starting to show some wear!  

Bruce and HL

---------- Original Message ----------
From: "Paul Fisher" <rv7a.n18pf@...>
To: main@q-list.groups.io
Subject: Re: [Q-List] 1st 2021 flight today.
Date: Sat, 16 Jan 2021 09:01:12 -0600

Actually, this seems like normal Spring Fling weather - awful!!

 

On Sat, Jan 16, 2021, 08:51 Kevin Boddicker <trumanst@...> wrote:

Yea yea.

I’ll ship you some snow!!!

 

Kevin

 

On Jan 16, 2021, at 8:40 AM, One Sky Dog via groups.io <Oneskydog@...> wrote:

 

Forecast; sunny 73F high low 33F

 

I will be at the airport for pancake breakfast then working on the PA-22

 

On Jan 16, 2021, at 7:05 AM, Kevin Boddicker <trumanst@...> wrote:

Good to hear Jerry.

I’m still weathered out. Between IFR, and snow on the runway, no dice.

Better days ahead!

 

Kevin

 

On Jan 14, 2021, at 8:18 PM, Jerry Marstall <jnmarstall@...> wrote:

 

Finally got my radio back. Surprisingly it worked after installing. Got the Q airworthy at 2:30 and gave it a test flight. 

 

53-deg, great vis, calm winds.  Went out to a local practice area and knocked off the rust with some airwork.  Back to the pattern for some crash and dashes and on to the hanger to wipe off the big grin.

 

Ya gotta love the Q.

Jerry 

 

 

 



Re: progress

Bruce Crain
 

I used Denatured Alcohol.
Bruce


---------- Original Message ----------
From: "Mike Dwyer " <q200pilot@...>
To: main@q-list.groups.io
Subject: Re: [Q-List] progress
Date: Sun, 17 Jan 2021 13:11:50 -0500

Does Alcohol eat the blue/orange foam?  I know gas does but I'm not sure about all the different Alcohols.
Mike Dwyer
 
Q200 Website: http://goo.gl/V8IrJF

 

On Sun, Jan 17, 2021 at 11:36 AM Dorothea Keats <dkeats@...> wrote:
  Sam----------  Saw the video you made and am following that method ,
sort of.  As a homebuilder we modify the heck out of everything.

   I did the micro like you did although I thinned it with alcohol and
applied it much wetter than you. After sanding I am applying primer with
micro with a roller similar to your epoxi wipe.

  I like the charcoal Mike is suggesting , but has anyone ever tried
chalk for a chalk line?  Comes in blue and red and may do similar. I am
an old drywaller and we would add some chalk to drywall mud when you do
final patching so you can identify the spots you worked on.

  I sprayed the bottom lightly last night like Mike suggested. Sanded a
bit this morning and it worked great although I need to let it dry for
another day so as not to clog the paper.  I sand with 120 and 150. 
Works good in my application.

  I installed some more T nuts this morning in the firewall to hold my
oil cooler. Still can't get over how good an idea they are. Could of
used them thirty years ago. Also installed a plywood piece on the header
tank to allow for attaching a terminal block for various grounds.

  Still need to attach some points on the inner fuselage to allow for
attaching wiring and cables.

  Trying to think of everything, but i am bound to slip somewhere.  Take
care---------------  Chris


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Re: progress

One Sky Dog
 

Alcohol will not dissolve styrofoam.


On Jan 17, 2021, at 11:12 AM, Mike Dwyer <q200pilot@...> wrote:


Does Alcohol eat the blue/orange foam?  I know gas does but I'm not sure about all the different Alcohols.
Mike Dwyer

Q200 Website: http://goo.gl/V8IrJF


On Sun, Jan 17, 2021 at 11:36 AM Dorothea Keats <dkeats@...> wrote:
  Sam----------  Saw the video you made and am following that method ,
sort of.  As a homebuilder we modify the heck out of everything.

   I did the micro like you did although I thinned it with alcohol and
applied it much wetter than you. After sanding I am applying primer with
micro with a roller similar to your epoxi wipe.

  I like the charcoal Mike is suggesting , but has anyone ever tried
chalk for a chalk line?  Comes in blue and red and may do similar. I am
an old drywaller and we would add some chalk to drywall mud when you do
final patching so you can identify the spots you worked on.

  I sprayed the bottom lightly last night like Mike suggested. Sanded a
bit this morning and it worked great although I need to let it dry for
another day so as not to clog the paper.  I sand with 120 and 150. 
Works good in my application.

  I installed some more T nuts this morning in the firewall to hold my
oil cooler. Still can't get over how good an idea they are. Could of
used them thirty years ago. Also installed a plywood piece on the header
tank to allow for attaching a terminal block for various grounds.

  Still need to attach some points on the inner fuselage to allow for
attaching wiring and cables.

  Trying to think of everything, but i am bound to slip somewhere.  Take
care---------------  Chris


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Re: progress

One Sky Dog
 

Love Click- bonds but I do not like adhesive. Epoxies work well to hold them on. 


On Jan 17, 2021, at 10:32 AM, Jay Scheevel <jay@...> wrote:

Kevin is right. Almost all of my attachments/hard points are Click Bond
hardware. I do NOT recommend you buy their adhesive. It is very good stuff,
but it REALLY stinks for hours during and after the cure, and it has
virtually no shelf life. I quit using it, because I could not use it fast
enough before it dried up inside the packages and I had to clear out of the
shop if I bonded even one fastener. Instead I use the same surface prep, but
then use JB weld (4-minute type). It is the best. Only caveat on JB Weld is
that it does conduct electricity, so be sure not to bond exposed wires with
it. Don't ask me how I know.

I am sure Charlie Johnson will chime in. I learned about Click Bond from
him.

Cheers,
Jay

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From: main@Q-List.groups.io <main@Q-List.groups.io> On Behalf Of Kevin
Boddicker
Sent: Sunday, January 17, 2021 10:10 AM
To: main@Q-List.groups.io
Subject: Re: [Q-List] progress

Chris,
Look into Click Bond. Neet stuff and made for attachment points in planes.
Kevin

On Jan 17, 2021, at 10:35 AM, Dorothea Keats <dkeats@...> wrote:

Sam----------  Saw the video you made and am following that method , sort
of.  As a homebuilder we modify the heck out of everything.

 I did the micro like you did although I thinned it with alcohol and
applied it much wetter than you. After sanding I am applying primer with
micro with a roller similar to your epoxi wipe.

I like the charcoal Mike is suggesting , but has anyone ever tried chalk
for a chalk line?  Comes in blue and red and may do similar. I am an old
drywaller and we would add some chalk to drywall mud when you do final
patching so you can identify the spots you worked on.

I sprayed the bottom lightly last night like Mike suggested. Sanded a bit
this morning and it worked great although I need to let it dry for another
day so as not to clog the paper.  I sand with 120 and 150.  Works good in my
application.

I installed some more T nuts this morning in the firewall to hold my oil
cooler. Still can't get over how good an idea they are. Could of used them
thirty years ago. Also installed a plywood piece on the header tank to allow
for attaching a terminal block for various grounds.

Still need to attach some points on the inner fuselage to allow for
attaching wiring and cables.

Trying to think of everything, but i am bound to slip somewhere.  Take
care---------------  Chris


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Re: progress

Jay Scheevel
 

I used the “Wing wash” compound as is (comes in gallon cans. It is designed to prep A/C fabric for primer and paint). I am pretty sure it uses isopropyl, but I would have to check on the label at the hangar.

 

Cheers,

Jay

 

From: main@Q-List.groups.io <main@Q-List.groups.io> On Behalf Of Mike Dwyer
Sent: Sunday, January 17, 2021 11:35 AM
To: main@q-list.groups.io
Subject: Re: [Q-List] progress

 

Good info Jay,

I'm curious which Alcohol you did your test with.  Ethanol, Methanol, Propanol?

Thanks,

Mike Dwyer

 

Q200 Website: http://goo.gl/V8IrJF

 

 

On Sun, Jan 17, 2021 at 1:28 PM Jay Scheevel <jay@...> wrote:

I know that acetone does, but I don’t think alcohol does. I have been using a product that is made by Aircraft Coatings Inc. called “wing wash” that is mostly alcohol and I tested it by putting a piece of blue foam in a jar full of the stuff for a month. The foam was no different when I took it out after that time.

 

If you are using a solvent that dissolves Styrofoam, you will need to be careful of pinholes. I did not want to worry about that, so I used something where I could literally pour it on and it would not matter.

 

Cheers,

Jay

 

From: main@Q-List.groups.io <main@Q-List.groups.io> On Behalf Of Mike Dwyer
Sent: Sunday, January 17, 2021 11:12 AM
To: main@q-list.groups.io
Subject: Re: [Q-List] progress

 

Does Alcohol eat the blue/orange foam?  I know gas does but I'm not sure about all the different Alcohols.

Mike Dwyer

 

Q200 Website: http://goo.gl/V8IrJF

 

 

On Sun, Jan 17, 2021 at 11:36 AM Dorothea Keats <dkeats@...> wrote:

  Sam----------  Saw the video you made and am following that method ,
sort of.  As a homebuilder we modify the heck out of everything.

   I did the micro like you did although I thinned it with alcohol and
applied it much wetter than you. After sanding I am applying primer with
micro with a roller similar to your epoxi wipe.

  I like the charcoal Mike is suggesting , but has anyone ever tried
chalk for a chalk line?  Comes in blue and red and may do similar. I am
an old drywaller and we would add some chalk to drywall mud when you do
final patching so you can identify the spots you worked on.

  I sprayed the bottom lightly last night like Mike suggested. Sanded a
bit this morning and it worked great although I need to let it dry for
another day so as not to clog the paper.  I sand with 120 and 150. 
Works good in my application.

  I installed some more T nuts this morning in the firewall to hold my
oil cooler. Still can't get over how good an idea they are. Could of
used them thirty years ago. Also installed a plywood piece on the header
tank to allow for attaching a terminal block for various grounds.

  Still need to attach some points on the inner fuselage to allow for
attaching wiring and cables.

  Trying to think of everything, but i am bound to slip somewhere.  Take
care---------------  Chris


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Re: progress

Mike Dwyer
 

Good info Jay,
I'm curious which Alcohol you did your test with.  Ethanol, Methanol, Propanol?
Thanks,
Mike Dwyer

Q200 Website: http://goo.gl/V8IrJF


On Sun, Jan 17, 2021 at 1:28 PM Jay Scheevel <jay@...> wrote:

I know that acetone does, but I don’t think alcohol does. I have been using a product that is made by Aircraft Coatings Inc. called “wing wash” that is mostly alcohol and I tested it by putting a piece of blue foam in a jar full of the stuff for a month. The foam was no different when I took it out after that time.

 

If you are using a solvent that dissolves Styrofoam, you will need to be careful of pinholes. I did not want to worry about that, so I used something where I could literally pour it on and it would not matter.

 

Cheers,

Jay

 

From: main@Q-List.groups.io <main@Q-List.groups.io> On Behalf Of Mike Dwyer
Sent: Sunday, January 17, 2021 11:12 AM
To: main@q-list.groups.io
Subject: Re: [Q-List] progress

 

Does Alcohol eat the blue/orange foam?  I know gas does but I'm not sure about all the different Alcohols.

Mike Dwyer

 

Q200 Website: http://goo.gl/V8IrJF

 

 

On Sun, Jan 17, 2021 at 11:36 AM Dorothea Keats <dkeats@...> wrote:

  Sam----------  Saw the video you made and am following that method ,
sort of.  As a homebuilder we modify the heck out of everything.

   I did the micro like you did although I thinned it with alcohol and
applied it much wetter than you. After sanding I am applying primer with
micro with a roller similar to your epoxi wipe.

  I like the charcoal Mike is suggesting , but has anyone ever tried
chalk for a chalk line?  Comes in blue and red and may do similar. I am
an old drywaller and we would add some chalk to drywall mud when you do
final patching so you can identify the spots you worked on.

  I sprayed the bottom lightly last night like Mike suggested. Sanded a
bit this morning and it worked great although I need to let it dry for
another day so as not to clog the paper.  I sand with 120 and 150. 
Works good in my application.

  I installed some more T nuts this morning in the firewall to hold my
oil cooler. Still can't get over how good an idea they are. Could of
used them thirty years ago. Also installed a plywood piece on the header
tank to allow for attaching a terminal block for various grounds.

  Still need to attach some points on the inner fuselage to allow for
attaching wiring and cables.

  Trying to think of everything, but i am bound to slip somewhere.  Take
care---------------  Chris


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Re: progress

Jay Scheevel
 

I know that acetone does, but I don’t think alcohol does. I have been using a product that is made by Aircraft Coatings Inc. called “wing wash” that is mostly alcohol and I tested it by putting a piece of blue foam in a jar full of the stuff for a month. The foam was no different when I took it out after that time.

 

If you are using a solvent that dissolves Styrofoam, you will need to be careful of pinholes. I did not want to worry about that, so I used something where I could literally pour it on and it would not matter.

 

Cheers,

Jay

 

From: main@Q-List.groups.io <main@Q-List.groups.io> On Behalf Of Mike Dwyer
Sent: Sunday, January 17, 2021 11:12 AM
To: main@q-list.groups.io
Subject: Re: [Q-List] progress

 

Does Alcohol eat the blue/orange foam?  I know gas does but I'm not sure about all the different Alcohols.

Mike Dwyer

 

Q200 Website: http://goo.gl/V8IrJF

 

 

On Sun, Jan 17, 2021 at 11:36 AM Dorothea Keats <dkeats@...> wrote:

  Sam----------  Saw the video you made and am following that method ,
sort of.  As a homebuilder we modify the heck out of everything.

   I did the micro like you did although I thinned it with alcohol and
applied it much wetter than you. After sanding I am applying primer with
micro with a roller similar to your epoxi wipe.

  I like the charcoal Mike is suggesting , but has anyone ever tried
chalk for a chalk line?  Comes in blue and red and may do similar. I am
an old drywaller and we would add some chalk to drywall mud when you do
final patching so you can identify the spots you worked on.

  I sprayed the bottom lightly last night like Mike suggested. Sanded a
bit this morning and it worked great although I need to let it dry for
another day so as not to clog the paper.  I sand with 120 and 150. 
Works good in my application.

  I installed some more T nuts this morning in the firewall to hold my
oil cooler. Still can't get over how good an idea they are. Could of
used them thirty years ago. Also installed a plywood piece on the header
tank to allow for attaching a terminal block for various grounds.

  Still need to attach some points on the inner fuselage to allow for
attaching wiring and cables.

  Trying to think of everything, but i am bound to slip somewhere.  Take
care---------------  Chris


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