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Re: Plans/projects

Ronnie Wehba <rwehba@...>
 

are you looking for a Q1? if so let me know

----- Original Message -----
From: Joseph Kearns, DO,MPH,FACOEM
To: Q-LIST@...
Sent: Thursday, December 28, 2000 9:13 PM
Subject: [Q-LIST] Plans/projects


Dear List members,

I am a pilot who started to fly in part because of admiration for the
style of the Quickie.

I would like to see if anyone has a set of plans or a kit for sale. I
would also like to know any caveats to look for in such a purchase, and
whether plans would come with templates, etc. I have heard that you
cannot stall the canard before the main wing, and wonder if this is
still considered true. I also have heard they may have a high approach
speed. I wonder also about the approach speed. If the plane has a
stall speed such that 1.3 times it is >91 MPH, does this take it out of
the Category A planes? I have heard of one Dragonfly kit for sale, and
wondered if you have any opinions on this kit.

Any advice welsome.


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Plans/projects

Joseph Kearns, DO,MPH,FACOEM <kearns@...>
 

Dear List members,

I am a pilot who started to fly in part because of admiration for the
style of the Quickie.

I would like to see if anyone has a set of plans or a kit for sale. I
would also like to know any caveats to look for in such a purchase, and
whether plans would come with templates, etc. I have heard that you
cannot stall the canard before the main wing, and wonder if this is
still considered true. I also have heard they may have a high approach
speed. I wonder also about the approach speed. If the plane has a
stall speed such that 1.3 times it is >91 MPH, does this take it out of
the Category A planes? I have heard of one Dragonfly kit for sale, and
wondered if you have any opinions on this kit.

Any advice welsome.


Off topic

David W.S. King <KingDWS@...>
 

Does anyone know what a 0-320 engine case is worth ?
I've got one sitting in my shop I used on my Ultimate bipe
for fitting bits but I have no idea of what its worth now.
A couple yards of uni or a bit of epoxy maybe?

Dave


Re: Diesel for Q-1?

David W.S. King <KingDWS@...>
 

I would like to get some real dyno info but from what managed to observe
they seem to be designed to run (peak torque) in the 2500 RPM range with peak
Hp some where just a bit higher. I had a chance today to kind of directly
compare it with an Onan that looks just like the one used in the Q-1 (tag
said 18 HP) being used for the same application and it was my impression that
the diesel was smaller, quieter, smoother, and generally of much higher
standards regarding fit and finish.
The other message I posted had the specs but I did also run across power charts.
Other than the weird hp ratings you are right about it being a sub for a Onan.
(we won't get into how you'd need a 40 pound pilot...;-]). They do have a 31hp
model somewhere but no data. I'm wondering if the highest hp rating is over speed
or something strange. I can see the intermittent rating being heat rejection or
something sim but the higher max rating is strange. Maybe it has harmonic or
bearing or piston speed limits.

I agree $3K is a bit high, but when compared to a Rotax with a gear box
it isn't
all that bad and you have a 4 stroke that doesn't need a huge exhaust to make
good Hp. And diesels have several other advantages - They don't need dual
ignition, the fuel pump will work just fine inverted if you put it in that
kind of plane, diesel fuel has more energy/lb than gas, diesel is not as
flammable making it safer to work around, and you can get fuel at just about
any airport.
I wonder what the fuel burn would be on this. You would definitely be cheaper
to run than any rotax would be, bit more reliable too. Might even make up for
the cost diff a bit. Any idea if diesel attacks styrofoam? Inverted shouldn't be
too hard to do, just have to contend with the oil system.

There are 2 big drawbacks for me however - I hate working on diesels
because their oil stains everything it touches, and I am allergic to diesel
#2 if I get it on my skin.
The one thing about this is its a tiny little bugger 15.5" long, 13.5" high and
stock width is 17". Spin on oil filters etc. Shouldn't be too bad for mess
unless you have a major leak. Wouldn't a pair of latex or vinyl gloves give
you enough protection?

Still wondering about the weight.

Dave


After Christmas Sale!

mconlin@...
 

Got lots of stuff, from fuselages from various stages of
construction, to misc. welded components, brand new (rebuilt) magneto
for Continental, subaru engines,etc.. See pics and info at
http://briefcase.yahoo.com/conlin_m

Mike Conlin


Re: Fuel System Plumbing

Michael D. Callahan <micallahan@...>
 

Paul,
Was that a Q1or a Q2? I am considering the same option. Mike C.

----- Original Message -----
From: Paul M Wright <pwright5@...>
To: <Q-LIST@...>
Sent: Wednesday, December 27, 2000 7:22 AM
Subject: Re: [Q-LIST] Re: Fuel System Plumbing



Hello all,

I finally gave up chasing leaks in the main tank and installed an
aluminium (aluminum to ya'll) tank. I did this by cutting a section out of
the bottom of the fuselage and installing from the bottom rather than the
top. I did take the inside tank skin away, and fixed the tank with liberal
amounts of flox. The tank is now 1 lt bigger, and I was able to include a
decent float guage (threw away the glass tube and fishing rod/cork
arrangment). I re-fixed the bottom with plently of overlap for fuselage
strength.

Elevator torque-tube/push-rods. Same problem. What I did was make
another control-stick attachment and sighted the 3/8 hole higher up the
stick by about 3/4 inch. I then made another 90 degree attachment which
fits the end of the elevators, and put the attachment point the same
distance further from the fulcrum. Result - a tude that is 3/4 inch higher
that clear the tank, even at full aft stick and full right aileron.

Q: Which side of the stick do you attach the push-rod, Jon?

Had a great time flying 'Vickie G' last week ..... meant to fly for 20
mins to complete the flight testing, but spent 1 3/4 hours up there with
the clouds. Everything perfect! Jim Masal ..... will you be coming over
to
check the bird out?

Hope you all had a great Xmas. I hope to working over your side of the
pond in 2001, so maybe will see you in Ottawa?

Cheers,

Paul and Vickie.




"Jon Finley" <finley@...> on 24/12/2000 02:04:54

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cc:
Subject: [Q-LIST] Re: Fuel System Plumbing


Kevin,

On my Q2, the elevator push rods (two) are both bent (gentle bend) to
clear the fuel tank. I never have liked the idea of them being bent
but they have worked fine for a long time.

On my Q1 (with extra tall fuel tank), I did cut a notch so the pushrod
(one) would clear the tank. I did all the work before the tank was
glassed in place. I made the cut and confirmed the pushrod cleared.
I then made a foam mold that fit into the cut, applied some release,
applied several plies of glass (from the inside of the tank), and then
removed the foam. It is
essentially a U shaped grove in the tank. Never has leaked.

For those that are fighting leaks in your main tank. I fought this
for a long time on my Q1. I finally gave up and decided a new tank
was in order. After cutting out the old tank I removed all the old
glass and gunk built-up from several attempts at repair and applied a
completely new skin (in the fuel tank area). I made sure I was very
liberal with the epoxy. I created a new tank and re-installed it
making very sure to get a good seal. Hasn't leaked a bit. It was a
lot of work but probably less total effort than all of my previous
repair attempts.

Jon Finley


--- In Q-LIST@..., Boddicker <trumanst@n...> wrote:
Has anyone out there had to cut into the main tank in order to make
a
clearance trough or valley to make room for the CS13 to hook up to
the
Q2CSA8? Sorry about all the numbers, but I want to be clear. The
cutting
appears to be straight foreward. The repair, seal, and integrity are
another matter. I did not build this area of my Q. The original
builders
solution was to make two pivots attached to the canard, that would
in
turn hook up to the Q2CSA8 arms. Any thoughts would be
helpfullllll !
Maybe someone has some documentation on the subject. I thought I had
read somewhere about an extended range tank.


Kevin



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Q1 Diesel

David W.S. King <KingDWS@...>
 

This is kinda interesting. ;-] The 3 cyl Briggs is a Daihatsu 3 cyl motor.
Its also found in Suzuki's and other sim cars. The problem
with it looks like the power is rated at 26.5hp but it is only rated for 24hp
intermittently ie takeoff and 21hp continuos. Not sure how or when the
engine makes the 26hp. I still wonder if a turbo and a few pounds of boost
would let it make say 30-35hp without exploding.

Anyway here is the info from the website.

TS-950-D Daihatsu 26.5 hp Liquid-Cooled 3 cyl. 58.1 cubic inch

B/S Daihatsu - diesel 27 (20.1 kw) DM950D 3.5 qt (3.3 l) 41.2 cu in
(675 cc) Electric

DIESEL
23.5 HP
31 HP

Vanguardâ„¢ 3/LC are the liquid cooled extension of Briggs & Stratton's line
of premium air-cooled Vanguard engines. When you have a really tough
commercial engine application standards, you choice is simple: The Vanguard
3/LC is the answer, Gas or diesel, LP or NG.


FEATURES BENEFITS
Lightweight Design Reduces soil compaction
Eases portability
Engine Interchangeability All engines fit the same envelope
Identical PTO and mounting dimensions
All engines use identical accessories
Parts Commonality Similar designs mean reduced number of parts
Compact Size Maximum power in small package
The market's most compact engine
Liquid Cooling Cleaner combustion
Easily meets emission regulation
Cast Iron Block Dampens noise
Longetivity Industrial engines, no automotive derivative
Balance Exceptionlly well balanced for low vibration
Multi Fuel Conversion to LP,NG or Dual operation optional.

Standard DIESEL Series Specifications

Model DM 700 D DM 850 D DM 950 D
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Model-Type-Trim 432447-0105-E2 522447-0105-E2 582447-0105-E2
----------------------------------------------------------------------------
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Number of cylinders 3 in-line 3 in-line 3 in-line
----------------------------------------------------------------------------
----
Bore x stroke [mm (in)] 68 x 64 68 x 78 72 x 78
----------------------------------------------------------------------------
----
Displacement [cc (cu in)] 697 (42.5) 850 (51.8) 952 (58.1)
----------------------------------------------------------------------------
----
Horsepower
HP @ 3600 RPM Gross 18.0 23.6 26.5
----------------------------------------------------------------------------
----
Net Intermittent 16.0 21.1 23.8
----------------------------------------------------------------------------
----
Net Continuous 14.0 18.3 20.8
----------------------------------------------------------------------------
----
Torque
Ft/lbs. @ 2400 RPM Gross 32.0 40.0 44.1
----------------------------------------------------------------------------
----
Net Intermittent 26.0 35.0 38.0
----------------------------------------------------------------------------
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Dry weight [kg (lb)] 71 (157) 73 (161) 73 (161)
----------------------------------------------------------------------------
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Direction of rotation Counterclockwise (looking at flywheel)
----------------------------------------------------------------------------
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Lubricating system Pressure feed with spin-on oil filter
----------------------------------------------------------------------------
----
Engine oil capacity [Ltr (qt)] 3.0 (3.2)
----------------------------------------------------------------------------
----
Cooling system Liquid cooled including water pump & fan (radiator
optional)
-------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Alternator 12-14 Volt, 40 Amp
----------------------------------------------------------------------------
----
Starter 12 Volt, 1.0 kw (1.2 kw optional)


Re: Vale

jtenhave@mets.mq.edu.au <jtenhave@...>
 

Arthur,

what was Gordon Flying?

John

-----Original Message-----
From: ARTHUR BOYD [SMTP:warreen@...]
Sent: Wednesday, December 27, 2000 10:15 PM
To: Quickie List
Subject: [Q-LIST] Vale

I have just read in Airsport Australia that Gordon Laubsch was killed in
a flying mishap on the 5th of November 2000 , Gordon had a Q1 and a
flying flea that I new about a very sad loss. He showed us that
difficulties could be managed in a methodical way by an ordinary farmer
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Re: Argentinian Q1

Flia Escobar
 

Hi Jim:
Your spanish may be better than my english, I will try to translate to
english the story of my plane, I never forgot my stay at OSH in '91. 2 years
ago was the last fly of my plane. I found a narrow delamination on canard
upper side at 15" from fuselage RH side, 3 years before was the first fly
and then I had a bad landing and canard was crack into the fuselage. I think
that on that time I send you a letter. I did a repair whit canard removed
from the plane. Did a load test fix all the parts and fly again. When I
found the new delamination I felt very bad so I decided to calcel the
projet. I am so happy with the plane, it was the first one in Argentina
(LV-X117)
I will write a long letter to you.
Happy new years, and good winds.
Carlos Escobar.

----- Original Message -----
From: <JMasal@...>
To: <Q-LIST@...>
Sent: Wednesday, December 27, 2000 12:31 AM
Subject: Re: [Q-LIST] Argentinian Q1


Hola! Carlos.
Happy New Year!

Yo hablo espanol como un nativo... un nativo de las estados unidos...muy
pocito, pero feliz annuo nuevo!

Jim Masal en Dallas, Tejas



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Re: Digest Number 130

mjmorea@...
 

Chris, I always use the belly board fully or fully down...........
Michel Moreau

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There are 7 messages in this issue.

Topics in this digest:

1. Re: Diesel for Q-1?
From: "Michael D. Callahan" <micallahan@...>
2. Belly Board Questions
From: "Chris McAtee" <Subcanis@...>
3. VG's
From: "James Postma" <james@...>
4. Re: Argentinian Q1
From: JMasal@...
5. Re: Diesel for Q-1?
From: BD5ER@...
6. Vale
From: ARTHUR BOYD <warreen@...>
7. Re: Re: Fuel System Plumbing
From: "Paul M Wright" <pwright5@...>

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Message: 1
Date: Tue, 26 Dec 2000 12:39:08 -0600
From: "Michael D. Callahan" <micallahan@...>
Subject: Re: Diesel for Q-1?

Cool engine! Only problem I see with putting it in a Q1 is that it is a tall
block. Drawing on the website shows almost nine inches to the middle of the
fan which appears to be the middle of the head. Maybe it could be laid over
on its side a little like a slant 6 dodge or Mercedes. I remember some of
the little Kubota diesels having a turbo, that would help out too. Mike C.
----- Original Message -----
From: <BD5ER@...>
To: <Q-LIST@...>
Sent: Sunday, December 24, 2000 1:19 PM
Subject: [Q-LIST] Diesel for Q-1?

I ran across this very small 3 Cyl Briggs/Daihatsu Diesel motor that
looks like it might be adaptable to the Q--1. My first impression while
working around one recently is that there are a lot of places where the
weight could be reduced due to it's industrial back ground.
I could not find much info on the web other than this link <A
HREF="http://www.tulsaenginewarehouse.com/catalog/briggs/">Briggs &
Stratton
small engine sales by Tulsa Engine Warehouse</A>
Does anyone have any practical experience with this motor or know
where
more detailed info can be found? It seems to me that if the weight could
be
reduced to close to 100lbs that a 30 Hp (and I did find this model with a
31.5 Hp rating) diesel would make as good an option as a 2 Cyl VW or a
Citroen.
Not only would this maybe a good motor for a Q but for some other
ultralight types.

"Think outside the box - but fly in the envelope"
<A HREF="http://hometown.aol.com/bd5er/Qpage.html">Q-2 page</A>
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Message: 2
Date: Tue, 26 Dec 2000 12:32:41 -0700
From: "Chris McAtee" <Subcanis@...>
Subject: Belly Board Questions

Just a quick question for everyone with a belly board:

Do you use it in incriments (as per plans) or "on/off" (fully up or fully
down) most of the time?

Chris McAtee

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Message: 3
Date: Tue, 26 Dec 2000 13:31:42 -0800
From: "James Postma" <james@...>
Subject: VG's

I'm looking for some VG's to install on my GU canard.

Anyone have a recommendation as to where to buy some?

James Postma
james@...
(253) 584-1182 9:00 to 8:00 PDT (GMT-8) voice

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Message: 4
Date: Tue, 26 Dec 2000 22:31:58 EST
From: JMasal@...
Subject: Re: Argentinian Q1

Hola! Carlos.
Happy New Year!

Yo hablo espanol como un nativo... un nativo de las estados unidos...muy
pocito, pero feliz annuo nuevo!

Jim Masal en Dallas, Tejas

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Message: 5
Date: Wed, 27 Dec 2000 00:19:16 EST
From: BD5ER@...
Subject: Re: Diesel for Q-1?

I got a chance today to do some more poking around on this little diesel
and the more I looked the more it looked like a viable replacement for the
Onan. The one thing that really surprised me is how quiet and smoothly they
run. Also getting it down to around 100 lobs shouldn't be much of a problem
as the 180 Lb weight quote includes EVERYTHING except a battery. Included
is; Oil, coolant, overflow tank, radiator and all of the plumbing, motor
mount and rubber mounting pads, flywheel and cast iron bellhousing,
alternator, starter, fan, fuel filter, muffler, air cleaner. control panel,
wiring, and a vernier throttle.
Being an industrial motor all of the accessories are built without regard
to weight savings and when stripped down to the same extent as the Onan I
have little doubt that 100 lbs is a reasonable weight to expect. The only
other mods needed to use it in something like a Q-1 would be to modify the
oil system so the motor could be run inverted and replace the cast iron bell
housing with some sort of aluminum auxiliary prop shaft support. Since it is
a diesel running it direct drive should be no problem.
Anybody have any real world experience with these motors as far as
durability? They seem to be pretty common on large walk-behind commercial
lawn mowers so someone here must have at least second hand info?
I'll try to get some Pics with dimensions to post.

"Think outside the box - but fly in the envelope"
<A HREF="http://hometown.aol.com/bd5er/Qpage.html">Q-2 page</A>
Leon McAtee

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Message: 6
Date: Wed, 27 Dec 2000 22:14:31 +1100
From: ARTHUR BOYD <warreen@...>
Subject: Vale

I have just read in Airsport Australia that Gordon Laubsch was killed in
a flying mishap on the 5th of November 2000 , Gordon had a Q1 and a
flying flea that I new about a very sad loss. He showed us that
difficulties could be managed in a methodical way by an ordinary farmer
self taught in the mysteries of aviation.

________________________________________________________________________
________________________________________________________________________

Message: 7
Date: Wed, 27 Dec 2000 13:22:44 +0000
From: "Paul M Wright" <pwright5@...>
Subject: Re: Re: Fuel System Plumbing

Hello all,

I finally gave up chasing leaks in the main tank and installed an
aluminium (aluminum to ya'll) tank. I did this by cutting a section out of
the bottom of the fuselage and installing from the bottom rather than the
top. I did take the inside tank skin away, and fixed the tank with liberal
amounts of flox. The tank is now 1 lt bigger, and I was able to include a
decent float guage (threw away the glass tube and fishing rod/cork
arrangment). I re-fixed the bottom with plently of overlap for fuselage
strength.

Elevator torque-tube/push-rods. Same problem. What I did was make
another control-stick attachment and sighted the 3/8 hole higher up the
stick by about 3/4 inch. I then made another 90 degree attachment which
fits the end of the elevators, and put the attachment point the same
distance further from the fulcrum. Result - a tude that is 3/4 inch higher
that clear the tank, even at full aft stick and full right aileron.

Q: Which side of the stick do you attach the push-rod, Jon?

Had a great time flying 'Vickie G' last week ..... meant to fly for 20
mins to complete the flight testing, but spent 1 3/4 hours up there with
the clouds. Everything perfect! Jim Masal ..... will you be coming over to
check the bird out?

Hope you all had a great Xmas. I hope to working over your side of the
pond in 2001, so maybe will see you in Ottawa?

Cheers,

Paul and Vickie.

"Jon Finley" <finley@...> on 24/12/2000 02:04:54

Please respond to Q-LIST@...

To: Q-LIST@...
cc:
Subject: [Q-LIST] Re: Fuel System Plumbing

Kevin,

On my Q2, the elevator push rods (two) are both bent (gentle bend) to
clear the fuel tank. I never have liked the idea of them being bent
but they have worked fine for a long time.

On my Q1 (with extra tall fuel tank), I did cut a notch so the pushrod
(one) would clear the tank. I did all the work before the tank was
glassed in place. I made the cut and confirmed the pushrod cleared.
I then made a foam mold that fit into the cut, applied some release,
applied several plies of glass (from the inside of the tank), and then
removed the foam. It is
essentially a U shaped grove in the tank. Never has leaked.

For those that are fighting leaks in your main tank. I fought this
for a long time on my Q1. I finally gave up and decided a new tank
was in order. After cutting out the old tank I removed all the old
glass and gunk built-up from several attempts at repair and applied a
completely new skin (in the fuel tank area). I made sure I was very
liberal with the epoxy. I created a new tank and re-installed it
making very sure to get a good seal. Hasn't leaked a bit. It was a
lot of work but probably less total effort than all of my previous
repair attempts.

Jon Finley

--- In Q-LIST@..., Boddicker <trumanst@n...> wrote:
Has anyone out there had to cut into the main tank in order to make
a
clearance trough or valley to make room for the CS13 to hook up to
the
Q2CSA8? Sorry about all the numbers, but I want to be clear. The
cutting
appears to be straight foreward. The repair, seal, and integrity are
another matter. I did not build this area of my Q. The original
builders
solution was to make two pivots attached to the canard, that would
in
turn hook up to the Q2CSA8 arms. Any thoughts would be
helpfullllll !
Maybe someone has some documentation on the subject. I thought I had
read somewhere about an extended range tank.


Kevin
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Sam Hoskins finally has a Web Site!

Sam Hoskins <shoskins@...>
 

Hi All.

I recently decided to learn something about putting together a web site,
and here is the result. I guess I got a little carried away. The
address is a little long so if, for some reason, you would want to come
back to it I suggest you bookmark it right away. I'm certainly looking
for suggestions for improvements, corrections, and dead-end links. Look
around, you might even find your self on the site.

BTW, Merry Christmas and Happy New Year! Best Wishes.

Sam

http://home.globaleyes.net/shoskins/page1.htm


Re: Belly Board Questions

The Ives Hive <iveshive@...>
 

Hey Earnest,
Did Santa bring you any new avaition toys? How is your canopy coming? I
took my flowed cylinders over to Carter,s Engine in Elizabethton. They
think they can straighten out my barrels. My engine should be all done by
the end of next week. Making my oil lines for the cooler at present. Next
month the firwewall stuff. Then onto the panel. If the weather ever clears
come on up again ! Happy Holidays!

Tom


Re: VG's

Greg & Debbie Merrill <q2pilot@...>
 

James
Check out this website http://www.computer-certainty.com/
I purchased some of these for my Q2. It's a nice product!

Greg Merrill
Q2 C-GGFD

-----Original Message-----
From: James Postma [mailto:james@...]
Sent: Tuesday, December 26, 2000 4:32 PM
To: Q-LIST@...
Subject: [Q-LIST] VG's


I'm looking for some VG's to install on my GU canard.

Anyone have a recommendation as to where to buy some?

James Postma
james@...
(253) 584-1182 9:00 to 8:00 PDT (GMT-8) voice



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Re: Diesel for Q-1?

David W.S. King <KingDWS@...>
 

Hi Leon

I got a chance today to do some more poking around on this little diesel
and the more I looked the more it looked like a viable replacement for the
Onan.
It looks like there are a couple of 25-28hp gas engines listed there that are
the same light or less than the Onan. A diesel would be interesting
if you could get the weight down. I wonder if you could put a turbo on it
to bump it up to around 30-35hp? Wonder how long it would take to
annoy the fuel truck driver..."fill me up should be about 3 quarts of jet-a"
The other thing was the price. $3k vrs $1400 or so.

Also getting it down to around 100 lobs shouldn't be much of a problem
as the 180 Lb weight quote includes EVERYTHING except a battery. Included
is; Oil, coolant, overflow tank, radiator and all of the plumbing, motor
mount and rubber mounting pads, flywheel and cast iron bellhousing,
alternator, starter, fan, fuel filter, muffler, air cleaner. control panel,
wiring, and a vernier throttle.
That is still a lot of weight to trim off. I'd guess 30-50 pounds would be
easy then you'd have to spend money
I can see you could take the bell housing, muffler, air cleaner, wiring and throttle
and toss them without too much worry. The flywheel would probably be something
you;d have to look at carefully. It might be 20-30lbs+ but don't they usually have a
dynamic balancer.or are balanced a certain way for the diesel impulses?

The only
other mods needed to use it in something like a Q-1 would be to modify the
oil system so the motor could be run inverted and replace the cast iron bell
housing with some sort of aluminum auxiliary prop shaft support. Since it is
a diesel running it direct drive should be no problem.
Did you find the power charts for the engine? Would it be able to run direct drive?


Anybody have any real world experience with these motors as far as
durability? They seem to be pretty common on large walk-behind commercial
lawn mowers so someone here must have at least second hand info?
I'll try to get some Pics with dimensions to post.
I found some dims on the page and it looked like it would fit on a stock Q fire wall.
Any idea which mowers use these?


Dave


Re: Diesel for Q-1?

Hot Wings
 

In a message dated 12/27/00 17:23:22 Pacific Standard Time, KingDWS@...
writes:

<< Did you find the power charts for the engine? Would it be able to run
direct drive? >>
======================
I would like to get some real dyno info but from what managed to observe
they seem to be designed to run (peak torque) in the 2500 RPM range with peak
Hp some where just a bit higher. I had a chance today to kind of directly
compare it with an Onan that looks just like the one used in the Q-1 (tag
said 18 HP) being used for the same application and it was my impression that
the diesel was smaller, quieter, smoother, and generally of much higher
standards regarding fit and finish.
I agree $3K is a bit high, but when compared to a Rotax with a gear box
it isn't
all that bad and you have a 4 stroke that doesn't need a huge exhaust to make
good Hp. And diesels have several other advantages - They don't need dual
ignition, the fuel pump will work just fine inverted if you put it in that
kind of plane, diesel fuel has more energy/lb than gas, diesel is not as
flammable making it safer to work around, and you can get fuel at just about
any airport.
There are 2 big drawbacks for me however - I hate working on diesels
because their oil stains everything it touches, and I am allergic to diesel
#2 if I get it on my skin.

"Think outside the box - but fly in the envelope"
<A HREF="http://hometown.aol.com/bd5er/Qpage.html">Q-2 page</A>
Leon McAtee


Re: Belly Board Questions

MartinErni@...
 

Chris,
Fully up or fully down. Found no use for intermediate settings.

Earnest Martin


Re: Fuel System Plumbing

Paul M Wright <pwright5@...>
 

Hello all,

I finally gave up chasing leaks in the main tank and installed an
aluminium (aluminum to ya'll) tank. I did this by cutting a section out of
the bottom of the fuselage and installing from the bottom rather than the
top. I did take the inside tank skin away, and fixed the tank with liberal
amounts of flox. The tank is now 1 lt bigger, and I was able to include a
decent float guage (threw away the glass tube and fishing rod/cork
arrangment). I re-fixed the bottom with plently of overlap for fuselage
strength.

Elevator torque-tube/push-rods. Same problem. What I did was make
another control-stick attachment and sighted the 3/8 hole higher up the
stick by about 3/4 inch. I then made another 90 degree attachment which
fits the end of the elevators, and put the attachment point the same
distance further from the fulcrum. Result - a tude that is 3/4 inch higher
that clear the tank, even at full aft stick and full right aileron.

Q: Which side of the stick do you attach the push-rod, Jon?

Had a great time flying 'Vickie G' last week ..... meant to fly for 20
mins to complete the flight testing, but spent 1 3/4 hours up there with
the clouds. Everything perfect! Jim Masal ..... will you be coming over to
check the bird out?

Hope you all had a great Xmas. I hope to working over your side of the
pond in 2001, so maybe will see you in Ottawa?

Cheers,

Paul and Vickie.




"Jon Finley" <finley@...> on 24/12/2000 02:04:54

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Kevin,

On my Q2, the elevator push rods (two) are both bent (gentle bend) to
clear the fuel tank. I never have liked the idea of them being bent
but they have worked fine for a long time.

On my Q1 (with extra tall fuel tank), I did cut a notch so the pushrod
(one) would clear the tank. I did all the work before the tank was
glassed in place. I made the cut and confirmed the pushrod cleared.
I then made a foam mold that fit into the cut, applied some release,
applied several plies of glass (from the inside of the tank), and then
removed the foam. It is
essentially a U shaped grove in the tank. Never has leaked.

For those that are fighting leaks in your main tank. I fought this
for a long time on my Q1. I finally gave up and decided a new tank
was in order. After cutting out the old tank I removed all the old
glass and gunk built-up from several attempts at repair and applied a
completely new skin (in the fuel tank area). I made sure I was very
liberal with the epoxy. I created a new tank and re-installed it
making very sure to get a good seal. Hasn't leaked a bit. It was a
lot of work but probably less total effort than all of my previous
repair attempts.

Jon Finley


--- In Q-LIST@..., Boddicker <trumanst@n...> wrote:
Has anyone out there had to cut into the main tank in order to make
a
clearance trough or valley to make room for the CS13 to hook up to
the
Q2CSA8? Sorry about all the numbers, but I want to be clear. The
cutting
appears to be straight foreward. The repair, seal, and integrity are
another matter. I did not build this area of my Q. The original
builders
solution was to make two pivots attached to the canard, that would
in
turn hook up to the Q2CSA8 arms. Any thoughts would be
helpfullllll !
Maybe someone has some documentation on the subject. I thought I had
read somewhere about an extended range tank.


Kevin



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ARTHUR BOYD <warreen@...>
 

I have just read in Airsport Australia that Gordon Laubsch was killed in
a flying mishap on the 5th of November 2000 , Gordon had a Q1 and a
flying flea that I new about a very sad loss. He showed us that
difficulties could be managed in a methodical way by an ordinary farmer
self taught in the mysteries of aviation.


Re: Diesel for Q-1?

Hot Wings
 

I got a chance today to do some more poking around on this little diesel
and the more I looked the more it looked like a viable replacement for the
Onan. The one thing that really surprised me is how quiet and smoothly they
run. Also getting it down to around 100 lobs shouldn't be much of a problem
as the 180 Lb weight quote includes EVERYTHING except a battery. Included
is; Oil, coolant, overflow tank, radiator and all of the plumbing, motor
mount and rubber mounting pads, flywheel and cast iron bellhousing,
alternator, starter, fan, fuel filter, muffler, air cleaner. control panel,
wiring, and a vernier throttle.
Being an industrial motor all of the accessories are built without regard
to weight savings and when stripped down to the same extent as the Onan I
have little doubt that 100 lbs is a reasonable weight to expect. The only
other mods needed to use it in something like a Q-1 would be to modify the
oil system so the motor could be run inverted and replace the cast iron bell
housing with some sort of aluminum auxiliary prop shaft support. Since it is
a diesel running it direct drive should be no problem.
Anybody have any real world experience with these motors as far as
durability? They seem to be pretty common on large walk-behind commercial
lawn mowers so someone here must have at least second hand info?
I'll try to get some Pics with dimensions to post.

"Think outside the box - but fly in the envelope"
<A HREF="http://hometown.aol.com/bd5er/Qpage.html">Q-2 page</A>
Leon McAtee


Re: Argentinian Q1

JMasal@...
 

Hola! Carlos.
Happy New Year!

Yo hablo espanol como un nativo... un nativo de las estados unidos...muy
pocito, pero feliz annuo nuevo!

Jim Masal en Dallas, Tejas