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Re: control springs

Stephen Jackson <SAJ0397@...>
 

CHRIS MY PLANS ARE A COPY OF JIM'S PLANS TO INCLUDE HIS NOTES AND PASTED ON Q-TALK ARTICLES
STEPHEN JACKSON
TRI-Q 200/JABIRU 3300

----- Original Message -----
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Sent: Monday, November 01, 2004 11:36 AM
Subject: [Q-LIST] control springs




I am new to canard aircraft and am getting a tri-Q that
I purchased this summer ready to fly. The only instruction material
that I got with the plane was the book with the Revmaster engine. I
have noticed that there are some rather strong springs in the
controls for the canard elevators that hold the elevators in the full
downward position. What is the reason for these springs and is there
some way to measure and set the pressure these springs are exerting?
Also, there are some rather heavy weights as part of the control rods
for the canard elevators, what is their purpose? Damping?
If anyone has a copy of the construction instructions please let me
know how much for me to purchase. I'm kind of fumbling in the dark.
My plane's N-number is N33LQ, it was built by Jim Langley in 1986.
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Re: Q2 Weight and Balance

David Cyr <david.cyr@...>
 

John,

1) Are your wheels at the same station as the plans indicate? - YES -
built per plans.
2) Is the total weight what you expect? - YES, 611 lbs.
3) Are your scales in calibration? - YES - $100.00 rental says they were
in calibration!!!
4) Are you using the correct datum? - YES
5) Has someone adjusted the seating position from the plans location? -
NO - built per plans - (we built the aircraft).
Have you checked it? - YES

The plane flies properly, the weight and balance are within the limits
when calculated using the 55 inches for the pilot and passenger, BUT
when we work it backwards and calculate the moment arm for the pilot,
with a person sitting in the plane and weighing the plane, we get a
moment arm of 60.5 inches. So, if we use the 60.5" in the calculation
of weight and balance and use the POM chart indicating limits, we're
tail heavy and outside the limits.

Dave Cyr

Date: Mon, 1 Nov 2004 17:17:21 +1100
From: "John ten Have" <Jtenhave@...>
Subject: Re: Q2 Weight and Balance
David
some things that you might want to check.
Are your wheels at the same station as the plans indicate?
Is the total weight what you expect?
Are your scales in calibration?
Are you using the correct datum?
Has someone adjusted the seating position from the plans location? Have
you checked it?
Regards
John

----- Original Message -----
From: Jeff Cox
To: Q-LIST@...
Sent: Monday, November 01, 2004 2:37 PM
Subject: RE: [Q-LIST] Q2 Weight and Balance
Scott Swing pointed this out in the Tri-Q manual several years ago. I
will see if I can find it.
_____

From: David Cyr [mailto:david.cyr@...]
Sent: Sunday, October 31, 2004 8:59 PM
To: Q-LIST@...
Subject: [Q-LIST] Q2 Weight and Balance
We have found what we think might be a discrepancy in the pilot's manual
concerning the weight & balance calculations. Doing the W&B with a real
person in the pilot's seat, we calculate that the pilot (and thus
passenger) moment arm is 60.5 inches, not the 55" suggested in the
manual. This would put the aircraft out of range at gross weight with a
pilot and passenger on board, based on the limits in the W&B chart
provided in the manual. Has anyone else done this calculation and found
it to be off? Are we always flying outside the limits at gross
weight!?!?!?
Dave Cyr
Q2 - GU/Revmaster


Re: Q2 Weight and Balance

Archer Family <blues@...>
 

Another consideration may be the physical features of the sample bodies used
for the 60.5" calculation of the arm. More weight up top on the body would
be more weight aft, right?

Bill Archer

-----Original Message-----
From: Neil Jepsen [mailto:njepsen@...]
Sent: Monday, November 01, 2004 5:27 PM
To: Q-LIST@...
Subject: Re: [Q-LIST] Q2 Weight and Balance



Its not often I win a technical discussion with you John, so I couldn't
let the chance go by!( wink wink)
John ten Have wrote:

Well done Neil,

that is the issue - scales vs scale... scuse the brevity ;-)

John
----- Original Message -----
From: Neil Jepsen
To: Q-LIST@...
Sent: Sunday, October 31, 2004 7:57 AM
Subject: Re: [Q-LIST] Q2 Weight and Balance


John
I fail to see how scale calibration could affect Cof G
position. The scales could be calibrated in 1/17 of troy oz and the
C f
G would still be the correct. Now if the 3 scales were different, now
THAT would spoil your day.
neil

John ten Have wrote:

> David
>
> some things that you might want to check.
>
> Are your wheels at the same station as the plans indicate?
>
> Is the total weight what you expect?
>
> Are your scales in calibration?
>
> Are you using the correct datum?
>
> Has someone adjusted the seating position from the plans location?
> Have you checked it?
>
> Regards
>
> John
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: Jeff Cox
> To: Q-LIST@...
> Sent: Monday, November 01, 2004 2:37 PM
> Subject: RE: [Q-LIST] Q2 Weight and Balance
>
>
> Scott Swing pointed this out in the Tri-Q manual several years ago.
> I will
> see if I can find it.
>
> _____
>
> From: David Cyr [mailto:david.cyr@...]
> Sent: Sunday, October 31, 2004 8:59 PM
> To: Q-LIST@...
> Subject: [Q-LIST] Q2 Weight and Balance
>
>
> We have found what we think might be a discrepancy in the
pilot's manual
> concerning the weight & balance calculations. Doing the W&B
with a real
> person in the pilot's seat, we calculate that the pilot (and thus
> passenger) moment arm is 60.5 inches, not the 55" suggested in the
> manual. This would put the aircraft out of range at gross
weight with a
> pilot and passenger on board, based on the limits in the W&B chart
> provided in the manual. Has anyone else done this calculation
and found
> it to be off? Are we always flying outside the limits at gross
> weight!?!?!?
> Dave Cyr
> Q2 - GU/Revmaster
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Re: Q2 Weight and Balance

Neil Jepsen <njepsen@...>
 

Its not often I win a technical discussion with you John, so I couldn't let the chance go by!( wink wink)
John ten Have wrote:

Well done Neil,

that is the issue - scales vs scale... scuse the brevity ;-)

John
----- Original Message -----
From: Neil Jepsen
To: Q-LIST@...
Sent: Sunday, October 31, 2004 7:57 AM
Subject: Re: [Q-LIST] Q2 Weight and Balance


John
I fail to see how scale calibration could affect Cof G
position. The scales could be calibrated in 1/17 of troy oz and the C f
G would still be the correct. Now if the 3 scales were different, now
THAT would spoil your day.
neil

John ten Have wrote:

> David
>
> some things that you might want to check.
>
> Are your wheels at the same station as the plans indicate?
>
> Is the total weight what you expect?
>
> Are your scales in calibration?
>
> Are you using the correct datum?
>
> Has someone adjusted the seating position from the plans location?
> Have you checked it?
>
> Regards
>
> John
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: Jeff Cox
> To: Q-LIST@...
> Sent: Monday, November 01, 2004 2:37 PM
> Subject: RE: [Q-LIST] Q2 Weight and Balance
>
>
> Scott Swing pointed this out in the Tri-Q manual several years ago.
> I will
> see if I can find it.
>
> _____
>
> From: David Cyr [mailto:david.cyr@...]
> Sent: Sunday, October 31, 2004 8:59 PM
> To: Q-LIST@...
> Subject: [Q-LIST] Q2 Weight and Balance
>
>
> We have found what we think might be a discrepancy in the
pilot's manual
> concerning the weight & balance calculations. Doing the W&B
with a real
> person in the pilot's seat, we calculate that the pilot (and thus
> passenger) moment arm is 60.5 inches, not the 55" suggested in the
> manual. This would put the aircraft out of range at gross
weight with a
> pilot and passenger on board, based on the limits in the W&B chart
> provided in the manual. Has anyone else done this calculation
and found
> it to be off? Are we always flying outside the limits at gross
> weight!?!?!?
> Dave Cyr
> Q2 - GU/Revmaster
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Re: The Aircraft Factory and School

JMasal@...
 

At one point I printed a list of 160 flown airplanes in Quicktalk. It took
lotsa work to get that list so I think a lot more were flying.

j.


Re: Q2 Weight and Balance

John ten Have <Jtenhave@...>
 

Well done Neil,

that is the issue - scales vs scale... scuse the brevity ;-)

John

----- Original Message -----
From: Neil Jepsen
To: Q-LIST@...
Sent: Sunday, October 31, 2004 7:57 AM
Subject: Re: [Q-LIST] Q2 Weight and Balance


John
I fail to see how scale calibration could affect Cof G
position. The scales could be calibrated in 1/17 of troy oz and the C f
G would still be the correct. Now if the 3 scales were different, now
THAT would spoil your day.
neil

John ten Have wrote:

> David
>
> some things that you might want to check.
>
> Are your wheels at the same station as the plans indicate?
>
> Is the total weight what you expect?
>
> Are your scales in calibration?
>
> Are you using the correct datum?
>
> Has someone adjusted the seating position from the plans location?
> Have you checked it?
>
> Regards
>
> John
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: Jeff Cox
> To: Q-LIST@...
> Sent: Monday, November 01, 2004 2:37 PM
> Subject: RE: [Q-LIST] Q2 Weight and Balance
>
>
> Scott Swing pointed this out in the Tri-Q manual several years ago.
> I will
> see if I can find it.
>
> _____
>
> From: David Cyr [mailto:david.cyr@...]
> Sent: Sunday, October 31, 2004 8:59 PM
> To: Q-LIST@...
> Subject: [Q-LIST] Q2 Weight and Balance
>
>
> We have found what we think might be a discrepancy in the pilot's manual
> concerning the weight & balance calculations. Doing the W&B with a real
> person in the pilot's seat, we calculate that the pilot (and thus
> passenger) moment arm is 60.5 inches, not the 55" suggested in the
> manual. This would put the aircraft out of range at gross weight with a
> pilot and passenger on board, based on the limits in the W&B chart
> provided in the manual. Has anyone else done this calculation and found
> it to be off? Are we always flying outside the limits at gross
> weight!?!?!?
> Dave Cyr
> Q2 - GU/Revmaster
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The Aircraft Factory and School

James Postma <james@...>
 

Group,

I have started marketing
The Aircraft Factory and School and wish your comments on it.
Please keep it constructive and nonflammable. If you are tempted to flame me on this, please do me the courtesy of calling me first and talking it over man-to-man.

First how I came to start it.
I have been trying to make a Q2 into a light sport aircraft. The main mod is to get the speed down. I now have the speed down to 59 mph. I thought that if I had more control authority, I may be able to get it down to the required 51 mph. However I now think that 59 is about it without increasing the wing area which would require a redesign which may be ugly.

This effort got me thinking that if not a light sport aircraft, why not sell it as an experimental amateur built aircraft as it is now.
The aircraft factory can not build it and register it, but it could do a builders assistance program with factory personnel supervising the construction in the factory and the builder registering it.
This is what I propose to do.

The builder will receive training in building, developing, testing, maintaining, and operating his aircraft as well as a standardized airplane with the best modifications as enumerated on this list.
He will start with an unfinished project, and built it to these specifications under factory supervision.

The factory will be wherever there are builders interested in the concept. There will be multiple factories, each one sized to fit the number of builders on this site (probably 3 to 5).

I do this primarily for the good-of-the-order. It will be a commercial venture and incorporated.

My main motivation is to get the fleet flying. This airplane has been the best one available in its' price range for many years. Everywhere I go, people flock to see it. We need to solve the problems with the aircraft (we have) and give the builder confidence in his ability to build and fly it which I feel my program can do. My goal is 1,000 aircraft.

This program in no way do I expect to replace the efforts of all youall as they say in the South. Please keep up the good work which I respect very much. I very much enjoy meeting with the typical homebuilding group and sharing ideas and helping others and getting help in their projects. Our efforts have been very worthwhile and have kept the Q bird alive. I know that I would have quit many years ago if not for Frank Follmer and other builders who helped me.

This is a small community. We have maybe 100 builders and 20 airplanes flying. QAC sold 2,000 kits and Revmaster sold 600 engines. Most of the kits have had some work done and I believe that there are maybe 1,000 projects floating around. These projects have not been completed due to lack of knowledge and fear of flying. These numbers may not be exact, but they are the ones that I have. I want to help many more people to complete and fly these projects.

My target customer for the factory is people who do not have these resources available and cannot do this themselves and need help. TAF will be a commercial venture so it will have to charge commercial rates to be able to hire people, pay taxes, and do all the other things that companies do. This means that resale prices for completed, certified aircraft will go up.

I will need part time and full time employees to participate in factories in your area, e.g.
1) experienced builders to supervise and train the amateur builders.
2) experienced flyers to flight train the owners.
3) persons to locate and retrieve the unfinished projects.
4) managers to locate space for the factories and manage them.
5) regional and local sales and marketing persons.
6) corporate directors and managers.
7) a national marketing manager.

Item 6 and 7 is the most immediate need as this is in the planning stage.

Please email me off line if you wish to participate.

I have not sold any aircraft yet and this effort is still in the planning stage so your comments will be appreciated.

If successful, the concept could be expanded to other experimental aircraft.

I will do this completely legal and observe the F.A.R's. I expect to get the cooperation of the local FISDO and hope to obtain Repairman Certificates for the builders.

This concept is being done now by certain kit manufacturers but at high cost to the builder. Lancair will let you build your airplane in their factory in Redmond, Oregon for $4.000 per week.

James Postma
Q2 Revmaster N145EX
Q200 N8427
Steilacoom, Washington
(253) 584-1182 9:00 to 8:00 PDT
"80% of the effort is just showing up." T. Harv Eker


Re: VG design #3

raynergang <rayners@...>
 

Guys, this is the last note I've had from the Q-list (thanks John). Does this mean that contributions have dried up, or has my e-mail system stopped being able to receive them? If I hear nothing, I'll know that one or the other is true!!

Chris Rayner (rubbing down white gel-coat).

----- Original Message -----
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Sent: Tuesday, October 12, 2004 11:56 PM
Subject: Re: [Q-LIST] VG design #3


Phil, try this

http://wind.nrel.gov/OSU_data/reports/7x10/L417_7x10.pdf

it is big, 114 pages of PDF

Interesting to note how affected the LS section is by contamination......

John

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Subject: Re: [Q-LIST] VG design #3


Hello David:

Can you verify or repeat the web address for this paper?

Thanks,

Phil
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Re: CC #7

Mike Conlin
 

Larry/Joseph, could you guys send me an "offline"email? Would like
to ask you a few questions about the engine. Thanks
michael.conlinAemersonprocess dot com
--- In Q-LIST@..., "Joseph Snow" <1flashq@a...> wrote:
Larry,
I don't have any reliable numbers for the prop as yet. I had
gotten up to 2000 RPM during my first run, but I don't believe I was
at WOT due to some induction and carb control issues. That's why I
have been correcting these. It has been raining today which is
hampering my progress. Stay tuned.

Joseph


Re: setting up tail wheel

Bob Farnam <bfarnam@...>
 

7.5 to 8 degrees measured on the level line.

Bob F.
N200QK

-----Original Message-----
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Sent: Friday, October 29, 2004 11:13 AM
To: Q-LIST@...
Subject: [Q-LIST] setting up tail wheel



I remember seeing on the list how many degrees at the firewall the
aircraft should sit on the ground, couldn't find it in the archives.
Installing the new tail wheel for the six pack mod. Also for those
that have installed the steel tail wheel rod, approx how many inches
from the aft part of the rudder did you extend it?
Thanx for any info.
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Re: control springs

Jon Finley <jon@...>
 

Hi Chris,

Download the plans from: http://www.finleyweb.net/default.asp?id=141

The large weights are to balance the elevators (flutter).

The springs are part of the pitch trim system.

Jon Finley
N90MG Q2 - Subaru EJ-22 DD - 465 Hrs. TT
Apple Valley, Minnesota
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Date: Mon, 01 Nov 2004 17:36:50 -0000


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<BR>
I am new to canard aircraft and am getting a tri-Q that<BR>
I purchased this summer ready to fly.  The only instruction material <BR>
that I got with the plane was the book with the Revmaster engine.  I<BR>
have noticed that there are some rather strong springs in the <BR>
controls for the canard elevators that hold the elevators in the full <BR>
downward position.  What is the reason for these springs and is there <BR>
some way to measure and set the pressure these springs are exerting?<BR>
Also, there are some rather heavy weights as part of the control rods <BR>
for the canard elevators, what is their purpose?  Damping?<BR>
If anyone has a copy of the construction instructions please let me<BR>
know how much for me to purchase.  I'm kind of fumbling in the dark.<BR>
My plane's N-number is N33LQ, it was built by Jim Langley in 1986.<BR>
Chris Dietz<BR>
chrisdolly@...<BR>


control springs

dietzchris <dietzchris@...>
 

I am new to canard aircraft and am getting a tri-Q that
I purchased this summer ready to fly. The only instruction material
that I got with the plane was the book with the Revmaster engine. I
have noticed that there are some rather strong springs in the
controls for the canard elevators that hold the elevators in the full
downward position. What is the reason for these springs and is there
some way to measure and set the pressure these springs are exerting?
Also, there are some rather heavy weights as part of the control rods
for the canard elevators, what is their purpose? Damping?
If anyone has a copy of the construction instructions please let me
know how much for me to purchase. I'm kind of fumbling in the dark.
My plane's N-number is N33LQ, it was built by Jim Langley in 1986.
Chris Dietz
chrisdolly@...


Re: Q2 Weight and Balance

Bob Farnam <bfarnam@...>
 

I did the calculation with a real person in the pilot's seat also, and I
found a pilot's station at 56.3". Don't forget that these airplanes may look
alike, but they may be somewhat different in the location of the proper cg
envelope. Variations in construction may change things. But that is what
test flying is for. Test on my airplane of varying cg locations caused me
to move my cg envelope, both forward and aft limits, forward one inch
compared to the book. I was uncomfortable with the aft limit in the book
because it was too close to the neutral point for my taste. I also found
that I could carry the cg 1 inch further forward based upon sufficient flare
power to land 3 point. This can be further improved by proper use of the
reflexor. My airplane is fairly difficult to load out of the aft limit, even
with my baggage compartment aux. tank, if my passenger is my wife and we
take normal baggage (about 25-30 pounds). Without the aux gas, I can carry a
pretty big passenger and some light baggage.

Bob F.
N200QK

-----Original Message-----
From: HawkiDoug [mailto:hawkidoug@...]
Sent: Monday, November 01, 2004 8:52 AM
To: Q-LIST@...
Subject: Re: [Q-LIST] Q2 Weight and Balance


I have been doing some W&B on my Q2 VW Type 4 with an LS1 canard and my
pilot/passenger arm is 59.63". I have a battery which is behind the split
line at 112.5". I just replaced my battery with one which is 9 lbs.
lighter. My concern is I am out of CG when flying alone and low fuel in
the
main tank. But I've done it many times in reality. What gives???? Am I
just
lucky?? My pilot position may have been moved backward as the original
builder was over 6 ft. tall. With a passenger, W&B stays with in the
lines.

Doug "Hawkeye" Humble
www.asignabove.net
Omaha NE
N25974
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To: <Q-LIST@...>
Sent: Sunday, October 31, 2004 8:59 PM
Subject: [Q-LIST] Q2 Weight and Balance


>
> We have found what we think might be a discrepancy in the pilot's manual
> concerning the weight & balance calculations. Doing the W&B with a real
> person in the pilot's seat, we calculate that the pilot (and thus
> passenger) moment arm is 60.5 inches, not the 55" suggested in the
> manual. This would put the aircraft out of range at gross weight with a
> pilot and passenger on board, based on the limits in the W&B chart
> provided in the manual. Has anyone else done this calculation and found
> it to be off? Are we always flying outside the limits at gross
> weight!?!?!?
> Dave Cyr
> Q2 - GU/Revmaster
>
>
>
>
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> http://www.quickiebuilders.org
>
>
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Re: Q2 Weight and Balance

HawkiDoug <hawkidoug@...>
 

I have been doing some W&B on my Q2 VW Type 4 with an LS1 canard and my pilot/passenger arm is 59.63". I have a battery which is behind the split line at 112.5". I just replaced my battery with one which is 9 lbs. lighter. My concern is I am out of CG when flying alone and low fuel in the main tank. But I've done it many times in reality. What gives???? Am I just lucky?? My pilot position may have been moved backward as the original builder was over 6 ft. tall. With a passenger, W&B stays with in the lines.

Doug "Hawkeye" Humble
www.asignabove.net
Omaha NE
N25974

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Sent: Sunday, October 31, 2004 8:59 PM
Subject: [Q-LIST] Q2 Weight and Balance



We have found what we think might be a discrepancy in the pilot's manual
concerning the weight & balance calculations. Doing the W&B with a real
person in the pilot's seat, we calculate that the pilot (and thus
passenger) moment arm is 60.5 inches, not the 55" suggested in the
manual. This would put the aircraft out of range at gross weight with a
pilot and passenger on board, based on the limits in the W&B chart
provided in the manual. Has anyone else done this calculation and found
it to be off? Are we always flying outside the limits at gross
weight!?!?!?
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Re: Q2 Weight and Balance

Dave Richardson <dave@...>
 

Along that same line, Dave, did you re-level the plane after you put the
person in the seat? Since the pilot/pax station is aft of the cg, it will
"draw" the station calculation aft if you don't re-level the plane. By the
way, we did a three issue dissection of W&B in this year's Q-Talk and we
covered that specific issue.

Dave Richardson
Editor - Q-Talk

-----Original Message-----
From: French [mailto:LJFrench@...]
Sent: Monday, November 01, 2004 7:32 AM
To: Q-LIST@...
Subject: Re: [Q-LIST] Q2 Weight and Balance



Dave,
As was mentioned, there was a correction noted in later plans versions in
regards to this. However, it was not enough to account for the difference
you are stating. I had a similar experience but was able to catch myself
doing the procedure wrong. What I was doing was gathering the weights with
occupants without closing the canopy prior to reading the scale. This does
make an additional error if your canopy is a forward hinge type. Just
something else to consider.
Lynn


----- Original Message -----
From: David Cyr
To: Q-LIST@...
Sent: Sunday, October 31, 2004 8:59 PM
Subject: [Q-LIST] Q2 Weight and Balance


We have found what we think might be a discrepancy in the pilot's manual
concerning the weight & balance calculations. Doing the W&B with a real
person in the pilot's seat, we calculate that the pilot (and thus
passenger) moment arm is 60.5 inches, not the 55" suggested in the
manual. This would put the aircraft out of range at gross weight with a
pilot and passenger on board, based on the limits in the W&B chart
provided in the manual. Has anyone else done this calculation and found
it to be off? Are we always flying outside the limits at gross
weight!?!?!?
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Re: Q2 Weight and Balance

French <LJFrench@...>
 

Dave,
As was mentioned, there was a correction noted in later plans versions in regards to this. However, it was not enough to account for the difference you are stating. I had a similar experience but was able to catch myself doing the procedure wrong. What I was doing was gathering the weights with occupants without closing the canopy prior to reading the scale. This does make an additional error if your canopy is a forward hinge type. Just something else to consider.
Lynn

----- Original Message -----
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To: Q-LIST@...
Sent: Sunday, October 31, 2004 8:59 PM
Subject: [Q-LIST] Q2 Weight and Balance


We have found what we think might be a discrepancy in the pilot's manual
concerning the weight & balance calculations. Doing the W&B with a real
person in the pilot's seat, we calculate that the pilot (and thus
passenger) moment arm is 60.5 inches, not the 55" suggested in the
manual. This would put the aircraft out of range at gross weight with a
pilot and passenger on board, based on the limits in the W&B chart
provided in the manual. Has anyone else done this calculation and found
it to be off? Are we always flying outside the limits at gross
weight!?!?!?
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Q2 - GU/Revmaster



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Re: Q2 Weight and Balance

John ten Have <Jtenhave@...>
 

David

some things that you might want to check.

Are your wheels at the same station as the plans indicate?

Is the total weight what you expect?

Are your scales in calibration?

Are you using the correct datum?

Has someone adjusted the seating position from the plans location? Have you checked it?

Regards

John

----- Original Message -----
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Sent: Monday, November 01, 2004 2:37 PM
Subject: RE: [Q-LIST] Q2 Weight and Balance


Scott Swing pointed this out in the Tri-Q manual several years ago. I will
see if I can find it.

_____

From: David Cyr [mailto:david.cyr@...]
Sent: Sunday, October 31, 2004 8:59 PM
To: Q-LIST@...
Subject: [Q-LIST] Q2 Weight and Balance


We have found what we think might be a discrepancy in the pilot's manual
concerning the weight & balance calculations. Doing the W&B with a real
person in the pilot's seat, we calculate that the pilot (and thus
passenger) moment arm is 60.5 inches, not the 55" suggested in the
manual. This would put the aircraft out of range at gross weight with a
pilot and passenger on board, based on the limits in the W&B chart
provided in the manual. Has anyone else done this calculation and found
it to be off? Are we always flying outside the limits at gross
weight!?!?!?
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Q2 parts list

haiqu
 

Hi,

Has anyone ever done a full parts/materials list for the Q2 as was
done with the Quickie? It looks like I'll be buying an incomplete kit,
and I'll need to know what else is required to build it. Estimates on
the amounts of glass cloth and resins needed would be particularly useful.

Thanks,

Rob


Re: Q2 Weight and Balance

Jeff Cox <coxjj@...>
 

Scott Swing pointed this out in the Tri-Q manual several years ago. I will
see if I can find it.

_____

From: David Cyr [mailto:david.cyr@...]
Sent: Sunday, October 31, 2004 8:59 PM
To: Q-LIST@...
Subject: [Q-LIST] Q2 Weight and Balance


We have found what we think might be a discrepancy in the pilot's manual
concerning the weight & balance calculations. Doing the W&B with a real
person in the pilot's seat, we calculate that the pilot (and thus
passenger) moment arm is 60.5 inches, not the 55" suggested in the
manual. This would put the aircraft out of range at gross weight with a
pilot and passenger on board, based on the limits in the W&B chart
provided in the manual. Has anyone else done this calculation and found
it to be off? Are we always flying outside the limits at gross
weight!?!?!?
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Q2 Weight and Balance

David Cyr <david.cyr@...>
 

We have found what we think might be a discrepancy in the pilot's manual
concerning the weight & balance calculations. Doing the W&B with a real
person in the pilot's seat, we calculate that the pilot (and thus
passenger) moment arm is 60.5 inches, not the 55" suggested in the
manual. This would put the aircraft out of range at gross weight with a
pilot and passenger on board, based on the limits in the W&B chart
provided in the manual. Has anyone else done this calculation and found
it to be off? Are we always flying outside the limits at gross
weight!?!?!?
Dave Cyr
Q2 - GU/Revmaster