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Quickie statistics, again

haiqu
 

Hi,

Just checked the New Zealand register. There are two Quickies, two
Q2's and one Q200 registered. Once of the Quickies is registered as an
ultralight.

The one I just bought hasn't been registered for years, and there are
probably others in a similar situation. i.e. half-built or decommisioned.

Rob


Re: The Aircraft Factory and School

damiantwinsport@...
 

Every school I have ever been too has a lesson plan and text books. There was talk at one time of reprinting the QAC manuals with updates and proven mods would be great.N8427 came with partial info and text. Nice workmanship throughout I wonder what dear Frank did with the construction manual?
Anyone out there care to sell me a copy for a Q200? How about a 0200 engine cowl?
Regards,
Damian Gregory N8427


Re: The Aircraft Factory and School

Mike Dwyer <mdwyer@...>
 

My 2 cents,
I believe the same is true for Spam cans, yachts and many other toys. I for instance didn't use my Hobie Cat last year...
Mike Q200 N3QP, Osprey 2 N8XM, www.warnerair/dynon

larry severson wrote:



<I estimate that 80% of airplanes with airworthiness certificates
are hangar
queens.

James Postma>

At 04:19 AM 11/8/2004 +1000, you wrote:

That is a very bad statistic if true Is that a world wide number ?.
Probably

How can we help to change the picture ?
Less flaming and more help for those asking questions. Fixing my plane is
taking far longer than it should because of the minimal information available.

How about direct contact ?
That is a great idea, but who and how. There are other owners here at
Chino, but I have been unable to meet them to ask questions. A good example
is my rudder. I have ended up cutting out the bottom pivot because I could
not remove the rudder. There was only 1/2 inch clearance below the pivot.
Additionally, the pin holding it on was too long, even if the pivot gave
the suggested 1.1 inch clearance. Without information, everything I do has
to be a destructive "experiment".

Peter

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Re: The Aircraft Factory and School

Larry Severson
 


<I estimate that 80% of airplanes with airworthiness certificates are hangar
queens.

James Postma>

At 04:19 AM 11/8/2004 +1000, you wrote:

That is a very bad statistic if true Is that a world wide number ?.
Probably

How can we help to change the picture ?
Less flaming and more help for those asking questions. Fixing my plane is taking far longer than it should because of the minimal information available.

How about direct contact ?
That is a great idea, but who and how. There are other owners here at Chino, but I have been unable to meet them to ask questions. A good example is my rudder. I have ended up cutting out the bottom pivot because I could not remove the rudder. There was only 1/2 inch clearance below the pivot. Additionally, the pin holding it on was too long, even if the pivot gave the suggested 1.1 inch clearance. Without information, everything I do has to be a destructive "experiment".

Peter

Larry Severson
Fountain Valley, CA 92708
(714) 968-9852
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Re: Q200 carbon spars

John ten Have <Jtenhave@...>
 

Damian,

Check out Peter Harris's spars. The ones I saw were far superior to the originals in terms of strength and build quality. I had the benefit of being able to do a direct comparison, first hand.

John

----- Original Message -----
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Sent: Tuesday, November 09, 2004 4:35 PM
Subject: Re: [Q-LIST] Q200 carbon spars


Thanks for the response, the E addy is no longer good. I will try some hunting with the name.
Regards,
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Re: The Aircraft Factory and School

JMasal@...
 

In a message dated 11/9/04 5:34:19 PM Central Standard Time,
larry2@... writes:


Less flaming and more help for those asking questions. Fixing my plane is
taking far longer than it should because of the minimal information
available.
Ahhhhhhhh, another victim. It's not your problem to solve, but US not
co-operating. Amedika, I Loooooove dis Kuntry!

j.


Re: The Aircraft Factory and School

DraagunFly@...
 

Hi Jim.
From my experience here at Chino, I'd say you are right. There are/were 4 Qs
here at Chino; yours being the only one I ever saw fly, including the one in
my hangar. Sure would like to see it fly too, as I need the space
Richard at Chino


Re: No longer buying

haiqu
 

Hi Tim,

The original Quickie, with GU canard.

Rob

--- In Q-LIST@..., Tim <tlc2@t...> wrote:
Which Model? Q1 Q2?

Tim

HAIQU_OZ wrote:


Hi,

I'm no longer looking for a Quickie or Q2 kit. Just bought a project
from New Zealand. Yay, I'm finally a Quickie owner!! Woo-hoo!!!

Sorry. We now return you to your regular program.

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Re: Q200 carbon spars

Sam Kittle
 

I found another source for Larry Howell's email address:

laheze@... (current as of Oct 13,2004)

Sam


damiantwinsport@... wrote:

Thanks for the response, the E addy is no longer good. I will try some hunting with the name.
Regards,
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Re: Q200 carbon spars

damiantwinsport@...
 

Peter, With all the Flaming these guys do on this site you are the only one offering a solution for broken winged LS1 Birds.
Thanks,
Damian Gregory N8427


Re: No longer buying

Tim <tlc2@...>
 

Which Model? Q1 Q2?

Tim

HAIQU_OZ wrote:


Hi,

I'm no longer looking for a Quickie or Q2 kit. Just bought a project
from New Zealand. Yay, I'm finally a Quickie owner!! Woo-hoo!!!

Sorry. We now return you to your regular program.

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Re: Q200 carbon spars

damiantwinsport@...
 

Thanks for the response, the E addy is no longer good. I will try some hunting with the name.
Regards,
Damian Gregory N8427


Re: Quickie stall speed

haiqu
 

Hi Chris,

There's no minimum wing area legislated in Australia, only a
"suggested" maximum wing loading. Since it can't be enforced I have no
problem with that. I take your warning in the vein it was offered, as
an effort to save the neck of a possibly naive ultralight pilot.
However, I've been following the Rutan designs for 25 years and am
very aware of their handling characteristics.

After the repair and fitting of another engine I plan to do a full w/b
and fly off 40 hours as if this airplane were being flown for the
first time. I'll be using a 5000 ft hard runway which has very light
traffic (mostly tow aircraft for gliders) and doing lots of taxi
testing before any actual flight is attempted.

Although I'm a low-time pilot, my basic training was done in Piper
Warriors with experienced GA instructors. I've also ordered a copy of
X-Plane with which I hope to get some feel for the handling
characteristics of the configuration in the next 9-12 months prior to
completion of the repairs. I value my neck, so caution is paramount.

Rob


--- In Q-LIST@..., Dorothea Keats and Chris Walterson
<dkeats@n...> wrote:
Rob------ My Super Quickie starts to porpose at around 60 with VG.
Probably stall the canard at 55.
Are you sure you can register it as an ultralight?? In Canada we need
the slow speed plus ten Sq Yds of wing. My Quickies wing loading is
only a few pounds away from being classed as "high performance".
I figure the Quickie , at least mine, would be a handfull and an
accident waiting to happen in the hands of an ultralight pilot. Just my
opinion. ------- Canada Chris


Re: Q-200 W & B

French <LJFrench@...>
 

Sorry, my comment did not have the weight listed which was 251 lbs. Static RPM is 2530.

----- Original Message -----
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Sent: Monday, November 08, 2004 8:48 PM
Subject: Re: [Q-LIST] Q-200 W & B


Lynn,
Thanks!! I was expecting to firewall forward arm to be similar. I will look forward to hearing of your flight experiences with the Corvair. I am using the standard cylinders, bored .060 oversize. So, your installation will be lighter than mine. My prop is a Sterba, 60 x 65. What is your static RPM with the 70 in. pitch?

Joseph


----- Original Message -----
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Sent: Monday, November 08, 2004 8:46 PM
Subject: Re: [Q-LIST] Q-200 W & B


Joseph,
I am doing exacly as you plan on my 'Vair. I have weighed and measured the O-200 from my TriQ200 taken while I had the engine pulled to check and reset mag timing during my annual condition inspection this fall. It was 100% complete with all the stuff you mention. The B&C starter is much lighter than the stock O-200 starter and the alternator I use is about half the wieght of the stock and mounted up front. My 3100 dressed out the same as my O-200 is lighter and is being mounted in the same C.G. location. It is my hope that the battery will not even have to move to compensate for differences. Kind of an either/or type of powerplant installation. Here are the results:

* Wt. and C.G. is O-200 with 8 lb. Sterba 60x70 prop as configured 11/03 w/ front mount alternator, both mags, full oil, & B&C starter. Engine only C.G. is 6-15/16" forward of accessory case mounting surface or 10-7/8" forward of firewall.

Good luck. Hope this helps.
Lynn

----- Original Message -----
From: Joseph Snow
To: Q-LIST@...
Sent: Monday, November 08, 2004 4:44 PM
Subject: [Q-LIST] Q-200 W & B


Hi all,

I am doing break-in of a Corvair motor to be installed on a Q-2 airframe. I would like information about the firewall forward total weight and resultant arm of an O-200 installed on successfully flying Q-200's. If you can, please include prop, spinner, prop hub extention, hoses, alternator, carb, and other component/accessories, e.g. carb heat, oil cooler, sensors, etc. I have the O-200 installation plans from QAC and I realize several relatively heavy items are located behind station 14 from the datum, i.e. mags, starter. I would like to locate the Corvair's motor's total weight, moment and arm as closely as possible to the weight and arm of a typical O-200 installation, and thereby minimize weight and balance adjustments. I also have the Q-2 handbook with its instuctions for determining the Q-2's weight and balance data.

Since several other persons are working on Corvair installations for their Q-2, I believe this information would be useful to them also.

Thanks for your assistance,

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Re: performance differences between Tri-Q and taildragger

Sam Hoskins <shoskins@...>
 

Taildraggers are faster. That's what I have and I'm very glad of it.

Sam



_____

From: fionapple [mailto:fionapple@...]
Sent: Monday, November 08, 2004 8:31 PM
To: Q-LIST@...
Subject: [Q-LIST] performance differences between Tri-Q and taildragger




Does any know (or care to speculate) about the performance difference
between Q-200's with tricycle gear vs. taildragger?

Aside from handling/visibility benefits, I'm anticipating some cost
(drag and weight), but then I thought perhaps there might be some
compensating design benefit (is there a flatter wing on the Tri-Q?).
I'm also wondering whether it affects the W&B significantly; I assume
folks have done the O-200, but also saw a listing for a Tri-Q with a
70hp engine.

Thanks in advance!






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Re: Q-200 W & B

Joseph Snow <1flashq@...>
 

Lynn,

I want to confirm my understanding or your numbers:

O-200 engine - including Sterba prop, front mount alternator, two mags, oil, B&C Starter. Weight of these items = ??; CG of these items (arm) = 6 15/16" forward of the accessory case mounting places and 10 7/8" forward of the firewall. When you say "firewall", are you speaking of the surface at station 14 or the rear of the accessory box? I think you are saying 10 7/8" forward of station 14 or about station 3 1/8. Is your cooler mounted on the firewall or somewhere on the engine?

Thanks again for your help!

Joseph

----- Original Message -----
From: French
To: Q-LIST@...
Sent: Monday, November 08, 2004 8:46 PM
Subject: Re: [Q-LIST] Q-200 W & B


Joseph,
I am doing exacly as you plan on my 'Vair. I have weighed and measured the O-200 from my TriQ200 taken while I had the engine pulled to check and reset mag timing during my annual condition inspection this fall. It was 100% complete with all the stuff you mention. The B&C starter is much lighter than the stock O-200 starter and the alternator I use is about half the wieght of the stock and mounted up front. My 3100 dressed out the same as my O-200 is lighter and is being mounted in the same C.G. location. It is my hope that the battery will not even have to move to compensate for differences. Kind of an either/or type of powerplant installation. Here are the results:

* Wt. and C.G. is O-200 with 8 lb. Sterba 60x70 prop as configured 11/03 w/ front mount alternator, both mags, full oil, & B&C starter. Engine only C.G. is 6-15/16" forward of accessory case mounting surface or 10-7/8" forward of firewall.

Good luck. Hope this helps.
Lynn

----- Original Message -----
From: Joseph Snow
To: Q-LIST@...
Sent: Monday, November 08, 2004 4:44 PM
Subject: [Q-LIST] Q-200 W & B


Hi all,

I am doing break-in of a Corvair motor to be installed on a Q-2 airframe. I would like information about the firewall forward total weight and resultant arm of an O-200 installed on successfully flying Q-200's. If you can, please include prop, spinner, prop hub extention, hoses, alternator, carb, and other component/accessories, e.g. carb heat, oil cooler, sensors, etc. I have the O-200 installation plans from QAC and I realize several relatively heavy items are located behind station 14 from the datum, i.e. mags, starter. I would like to locate the Corvair's motor's total weight, moment and arm as closely as possible to the weight and arm of a typical O-200 installation, and thereby minimize weight and balance adjustments. I also have the Q-2 handbook with its instuctions for determining the Q-2's weight and balance data.

Since several other persons are working on Corvair installations for their Q-2, I believe this information would be useful to them also.

Thanks for your assistance,

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Re: Q-200 W & B

Joseph Snow <1flashq@...>
 

Lynn,
Thanks!! I was expecting to firewall forward arm to be similar. I will look forward to hearing of your flight experiences with the Corvair. I am using the standard cylinders, bored .060 oversize. So, your installation will be lighter than mine. My prop is a Sterba, 60 x 65. What is your static RPM with the 70 in. pitch?

Joseph

----- Original Message -----
From: French
To: Q-LIST@...
Sent: Monday, November 08, 2004 8:46 PM
Subject: Re: [Q-LIST] Q-200 W & B


Joseph,
I am doing exacly as you plan on my 'Vair. I have weighed and measured the O-200 from my TriQ200 taken while I had the engine pulled to check and reset mag timing during my annual condition inspection this fall. It was 100% complete with all the stuff you mention. The B&C starter is much lighter than the stock O-200 starter and the alternator I use is about half the wieght of the stock and mounted up front. My 3100 dressed out the same as my O-200 is lighter and is being mounted in the same C.G. location. It is my hope that the battery will not even have to move to compensate for differences. Kind of an either/or type of powerplant installation. Here are the results:

* Wt. and C.G. is O-200 with 8 lb. Sterba 60x70 prop as configured 11/03 w/ front mount alternator, both mags, full oil, & B&C starter. Engine only C.G. is 6-15/16" forward of accessory case mounting surface or 10-7/8" forward of firewall.

Good luck. Hope this helps.
Lynn

----- Original Message -----
From: Joseph Snow
To: Q-LIST@...
Sent: Monday, November 08, 2004 4:44 PM
Subject: [Q-LIST] Q-200 W & B


Hi all,

I am doing break-in of a Corvair motor to be installed on a Q-2 airframe. I would like information about the firewall forward total weight and resultant arm of an O-200 installed on successfully flying Q-200's. If you can, please include prop, spinner, prop hub extention, hoses, alternator, carb, and other component/accessories, e.g. carb heat, oil cooler, sensors, etc. I have the O-200 installation plans from QAC and I realize several relatively heavy items are located behind station 14 from the datum, i.e. mags, starter. I would like to locate the Corvair's motor's total weight, moment and arm as closely as possible to the weight and arm of a typical O-200 installation, and thereby minimize weight and balance adjustments. I also have the Q-2 handbook with its instuctions for determining the Q-2's weight and balance data.

Since several other persons are working on Corvair installations for their Q-2, I believe this information would be useful to them also.

Thanks for your assistance,

Joseph Snow
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Re: Useful Info request for help

Peter Harris <peterjfharris@...>
 

What I have is Q200 construction plans which are written as an addendum to the pages 10-1 to 10-10 and you need to read both to build the canard. There is a total of 9 pages of instruction including 5 full pages of drawings which show the jigging and layup.
Peter

----- Original Message -----
From: James Postma
To: Q-LIST@...
Sent: Thursday, November 11, 2004 1:12 PM
Subject: Re: [Q-LIST] Useful Info request for help


Group,

What we are looking for here is the equivalent chapter to chapter 10 in the
11 X 17 Q2 Construction Plans, pages 10-1 to 10-10, Canard Construction for
the LS-1 canard. The Q2 plans show the GU canard.

Was there ever a Q200 Construction Plans?

James Postma
Q2 Revmaster N145EX
Q200 N8427
Steilacoom, Washington
(253) 584-1182 9:00 to 8:00 PDT
May your header tank be always full and your wings right side up.

----- Original Message -----
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To: <Q-LIST@...>
Sent: Wednesday, November 10, 2004 12:18 PM
Subject: RE: [Q-LIST] Useful Info request for help


>
> Jon, Thanks for the info I have downloaded your plans but what I am
looking for is the Q200 Canard plans section.
> Regards,
> Damian Gregory N8427
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performance differences between Tri-Q and taildragger

fionapple
 

Does any know (or care to speculate) about the performance difference
between Q-200's with tricycle gear vs. taildragger?

Aside from handling/visibility benefits, I'm anticipating some cost
(drag and weight), but then I thought perhaps there might be some
compensating design benefit (is there a flatter wing on the Tri-Q?).
I'm also wondering whether it affects the W&B significantly; I assume
folks have done the O-200, but also saw a listing for a Tri-Q with a
70hp engine.

Thanks in advance!


Re: Q-200 W & B

French <LJFrench@...>
 

Joseph,
I am doing exacly as you plan on my 'Vair. I have weighed and measured the O-200 from my TriQ200 taken while I had the engine pulled to check and reset mag timing during my annual condition inspection this fall. It was 100% complete with all the stuff you mention. The B&C starter is much lighter than the stock O-200 starter and the alternator I use is about half the wieght of the stock and mounted up front. My 3100 dressed out the same as my O-200 is lighter and is being mounted in the same C.G. location. It is my hope that the battery will not even have to move to compensate for differences. Kind of an either/or type of powerplant installation. Here are the results:

* Wt. and C.G. is O-200 with 8 lb. Sterba 60x70 prop as configured 11/03 w/ front mount alternator, both mags, full oil, & B&C starter. Engine only C.G. is 6-15/16" forward of accessory case mounting surface or 10-7/8" forward of firewall.

Good luck. Hope this helps.
Lynn

----- Original Message -----
From: Joseph Snow
To: Q-LIST@...
Sent: Monday, November 08, 2004 4:44 PM
Subject: [Q-LIST] Q-200 W & B


Hi all,

I am doing break-in of a Corvair motor to be installed on a Q-2 airframe. I would like information about the firewall forward total weight and resultant arm of an O-200 installed on successfully flying Q-200's. If you can, please include prop, spinner, prop hub extention, hoses, alternator, carb, and other component/accessories, e.g. carb heat, oil cooler, sensors, etc. I have the O-200 installation plans from QAC and I realize several relatively heavy items are located behind station 14 from the datum, i.e. mags, starter. I would like to locate the Corvair's motor's total weight, moment and arm as closely as possible to the weight and arm of a typical O-200 installation, and thereby minimize weight and balance adjustments. I also have the Q-2 handbook with its instuctions for determining the Q-2's weight and balance data.

Since several other persons are working on Corvair installations for their Q-2, I believe this information would be useful to them also.

Thanks for your assistance,

Joseph Snow
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