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Re: Steerable nose wheel

Patrick Panzera <panzera@...>
 

Earnest,
Have differential brakes - Low time pilot just getting ready to test fly
project (Phoenix SL - TRI-DF with LS-1). I just have a warm cushy feeling
with a steerable nose wheel.
No worries Tad, the learning curve is maybe 10 min.
Worst thing you can do is park w/o making sure the wheel is straight.

Consider the weight, complexity and x-wind conditions (touching down with the up
wind wing down, and full rudder to realign with centerline... where is your nose
wheel pointing?) against the warm feeling.

Pat


Broken Skytech pinion tooth (Q200)

Kevin Fortin <kfortin@...>
 

Brad Olsen and guys,



First off, my apologies to Brad Olsen for not responding to an offline email
he sent me regarding the following subject. My email was filtering emails
without attachments and I didn't realize it.



I am responding to his email on list because I think it is of interest to
many regarding Skytech starters.



Background: I ordered a Skytech starter on the basis of what Skytech
told me and after discussing what seemed to be the problem with Jim
Patillo's starter aka. "electronic ignition induced kickback". Upon
receiving the new starter I installed it and it seemed to work well, but had
more of a "grinding" sound in operation than I would have liked. After a 10
MAXIMUM total starts, in a hurry to get the airplane to an avionics shop
(onfield), I forgot to turn on the fuel, and, after a very short taxi, the
obvious happened, I ran out of gas. Duh!!! I turned the gas valve on,
waited about a minute, then tried starting again. The prop turned for
somewhere between 6 to 10 seconds before the engine caught and I taxied on
my merry way. A couple of days later, I picked the airplane up, jumped in to
start it, and was met with what seemed to be the grinding sound of gears
with missing teeth (the engine did start, however).



The following weekend I pulled the engine and the starter only to find a
tooth missing from the Skytech starters drive pinion gear. That was the bad
news. The good news, I was able to find the tooth. (I thank the Q god's for
that one.)



On the following Monday, I called Skytech and explained the problem and they
did all they could to help. I can't complain about their customer service.



At this point, I have received a replacement starter (new) from Skytech, but
as of yet, I have not installed it. All my mental alarms are going off
related to something that can throw of a piece off big enough that it could
gum up my engine (read off field landing and/or a damaged engine) or at the
least break off a tooth on the crankshaft gear, which at the least, is going
to be damn expensive.



Relevant info 1. As far as I know I did not have a kickback.

2. I was starting on left mag only

3. I believe the real problem is Skytech's control of the
centerline distance of the pinion/crankshaft gear set. In an effort to
loosen the tolerances in the manufacture of the starter, Skytech has allowed
the pinion to get too far away from the main gear on the crankshaft. This
results in an incredible force trying to separate the gears. This force than
further deflects the shaft that holds the pinion, which leads to even higher
forces on the gears, then ultimately to a broken tooth.

4. I am going to try to get some measurements on the
centerline distances this weekend and I will let you guys know what I find.

5. Item 3 is only conjecture at this point. Please take it
as so.

6. I have high compression pistons, but I don't know the
ratio.

7. I usually don't write well and tonight is even worse.





If anyone has a better starting system idea, let me know. I am not feeling
to good with this right now.



Kevin Fortin

N275CH

Except for the starter, damn close to flyin'


Re: Steerable nose wheel

REBECCA SIMPSON
 

Earnest,
Have differential brakes - Low time pilot just getting ready to test fly project (Phoenix SL - TRI-DF with LS-1). I just have a warm cushy feeling with a steerable nose wheel.

Tad Simpson
Phoenix (Tri-DF)
N1007p

MartinErni@... wrote:
Who is asking and why on earth would you want one? Differential brakes work
as well and are much simpler
Earnest.







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Re: E-Bay Q

Tri-Q1 <rryan@...>
 

N-number : N83PW
Aircraft Serial Number : 2723
Aircraft Manufacturer : WHETSTEN RONALD N
Model : QUICKIE Q-2
Engine Manufacturer : REVMASTER
Model : 2100 SERIES
Aircraft Year : 1983
Owner Name : WHETSTEN RONALD N
Owner Address : 4111 MAGNOLIA
BATTLEFIELD, MO, 65619
Type of Owner : Individual
Registration Date : 10-Apr-1984
Airworthiness Certificate Type : Experimental
Approved Operations : Amateur Built




--- In Q-LIST@..., "Letempt, Jeffrey CW4"
<jeffrey.letempt@u...> wrote:
Bruce,

I had a friend who tried to buy this airplane about 9 months ago.
He had
cash in his hand ready to buy it, but the owner put so many
restrictions on
the sale that I am not sure anyone would ever be able to register
the
airplane. He would not provide a bill of sale or even disclose the
aircraft
tail number. He was so secretitive that you would have sworn it
was some
kind of a drug deal.

I do see in the pictures now posted on eBay that you can see the N
number,
maybe he realized he would never be able to sell the airplane with
such
stipulations. I understand people are very concerned about getting
sued.....if you (not really you) are that worried about it just cut
the
plane up and sell off the parts. It sure looks like a pretty
airplane.

The airplane is located about 100 miles from my home near
Springfield, MO.
Maybe someone can give me a good reason to fly down to Springfield
to take a
look at it. I flew about 1.2 hours today....just out boring holes
in the
sky with my Dragonfly.

There is a builder on this list who is familar with this airplane
and may be
able to provide additional information about the quality if someone
is
interested. I am not going to volunteer him, but if you ask he will
probably reply.

Jeff

-----Original Message-----
From: jcrain2@j...
To: Q-LIST@...
Sent: 2/21/2005 9:57 PM
Subject: [Q-LIST] E-Bay Q



Isn't this Ron Whetstin's TriQ on E-Bay?

http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?
ViewItem&item=4529158482
&indexURL=10#ebayphotohosting

Bruce

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Re: E-Bay Q

Letempt, Jeffrey CW4 <jeffrey.letempt@...>
 

Bruce,

I had a friend who tried to buy this airplane about 9 months ago. He had
cash in his hand ready to buy it, but the owner put so many restrictions on
the sale that I am not sure anyone would ever be able to register the
airplane. He would not provide a bill of sale or even disclose the aircraft
tail number. He was so secretitive that you would have sworn it was some
kind of a drug deal.

I do see in the pictures now posted on eBay that you can see the N number,
maybe he realized he would never be able to sell the airplane with such
stipulations. I understand people are very concerned about getting
sued.....if you (not really you) are that worried about it just cut the
plane up and sell off the parts. It sure looks like a pretty airplane.

The airplane is located about 100 miles from my home near Springfield, MO.
Maybe someone can give me a good reason to fly down to Springfield to take a
look at it. I flew about 1.2 hours today....just out boring holes in the
sky with my Dragonfly.

There is a builder on this list who is familar with this airplane and may be
able to provide additional information about the quality if someone is
interested. I am not going to volunteer him, but if you ask he will
probably reply.

Jeff

-----Original Message-----
From: jcrain2@...
To: Q-LIST@...
Sent: 2/21/2005 9:57 PM
Subject: [Q-LIST] E-Bay Q



Isn't this Ron Whetstin's TriQ on E-Bay?

http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=4529158482
&indexURL=10#ebayphotohosting

Bruce

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Re: E-Bay Q boring holes

JMasal@...
 

In a message dated 2/22/05 7:28:14 PM Central Standard Time,
jeffrey.letempt@... writes:


Maybe someone can give me a good reason to fly down to Springfield to take a
look at it.
Jeff, if you"re just boring holes anyway, bore on down to meet Whetsten. He's
a savvy animated builder with lots of good ideas. The plane is pretty, worth
seeing, and he could give you some solid ideas for yours. You could do worse
than having him as a friend.

j.


Re: E-Bay Q - RW.s

JMasal@...
 

In a message dated 2/22/05 7:28:14 PM Central Standard Time,
jeffrey.letempt@... writes:


the owner put so many restrictions on
the sale that I am not sure anyone would ever be able to register the
airplane.
Yep this is Ron Whetsten's plane. In my experience he is a careful and savvy
builder. Our first QBA fly-ins were held in Springfield where this Q and 4
others were based. All these guys fed off each other so the planes were well
built. Ron IS careful and my guess is that if he got spooked by a particular buyer
he would figure out some way to wave off the deal. But I am curious that if
it is now on ebay, he cant really handpick his buyer and will have to take what
he gets... not the best alternative if you have high sensitivity to liability
as indicated by his disclaimer. Also curious is his willingness to fly it to
a buyer (perhaps) for expenses. I don't know how you could defend it as a sale
of parts if you delivered it as a flying aircraft. I think a decent lawyer
could bite a big hunk out of your hiney on that score. Better let the buyer pick
the parts up on a trailer.

j.

j.


Steerable nose wheel

REBECCA SIMPSON
 

Does anyone have a sterable nsoe wheel on their tri-Q or tri-DF or know where I can find plans for one ?

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Re: E-Bay Q

Paul Spackman
 

Yes, I believe you are right Bruce, I have many picture of that plane
from Sun and Fun when he showed up with the Irish Setter puppy.

Paul
-- In Q-LIST@..., "jcrain2@j..." <jcrain2@j...> wrote:

Isn't this Ron Whetstin's TriQ on E-Bay?

http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?
ViewItem&item=4529158482&indexURL=10#ebayphotohosting

Bruce

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Re: E-Bay Q

Jay Scheevel <scheevel@...>
 

If you look in the background of some of the photos, there is another
tri-Q, probably a tri-Q200
Jay Scheevel.

Original Message dated 2/21/05, 8:57:49 PM
Author: "jcrain2@..." <jcrain2@...>
Re: [Q-LIST] E-Bay Q:



Isn't this Ron Whetstin's TriQ on E-Bay?

http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=4529158482
&indexURL=10#ebayphotohosting

Bruce

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Re: Broken Skytech pinion tooth (Q200)

britmcman99
 

Hello All:

There is a lot of available science out there regarding failure analysis.
The broken gears that so many of you seem to have produced should be looked at
by a metallurgical analytical lab. In order to solve this problem there
ought to be someone at Skytec doing all of this anyway. When something isn't
right, there is a reason. Consider defective metals, castings, forgings, heat
treatments, case hardenings, etc. A look at the fracture with an electron
microscope may reveal the real reason that gear tooth broke off.

I would insist that the manufacturer conduct a thorough root cause and
corrective action investigation. They should insist on doing it if they want to
stay in business. The starter's design and materials should be robust enough
to survive routine occurrences such as kickback.

Phil Lankford
N870BM
B&C Starter


Re: Steerable nose wheel

MartinErni@...
 

Tad,
You can probably save yourself a lot of work by just spending some time
taxiing around with the differential brakes for a while. They become very
natural in a short period of time. a couple hours of taxiing will be a lot more
fun and a lot less expensive than many hours of designing and building a
steerable nose wheel. All new Cirrus and Lancair aircraft us differential brakes
and they are very well received.
Earnest


Re: Steerable nose wheel

MartinErni@...
 

Who is asking and why on earth would you want one? Differential brakes work
as well and are much simpler
Earnest.


Re: Fw: CorvAircraft> Re: Interesting court decision

Mark Robinson
 

I suspect that the real problem here, and you cannot
tell this from reading the case summary, is probably
the fact that the plans considered the installation of
two fuel pumps to be mandatory:

"CONSTRUCTION PLANS STATED THAT THE FUEL SYSTEM IS
'DESIGNED TO REQUIRE TWO FUEL PUMPS', AND THAT THESE
TWO FUEL PUMPS ARE A 'MANDATORY REQUIREMENT FOR SAFE
OPERATION, AND THAT THERE IS NO ACCEPTABLE WAY AROUND
THIS REQUIREMENT.' THE REQUIREMENT WAS REITERATED IN
THE JULY, 1980, ISSUE OF THE CANARD PUSHER NEWSLETTER.
THIS WAS THE FIRST FLIGHT FOLLOWING THE REMOVAL OF
BOTH FUEL PUMPS BY THE PILOT/OWNER."


See this link (accident report):

http://www.ntsb.gov/ntsb/brief.asp?ev_id=20001207X03484&key=1


--- French <LJFrench@...> wrote:

This was posted over on the Corvair list and thought
I'd post it over here.
It got me to thinking about some of the things I've
done and assumed they
were not considered major. Wander 'bout my auxilary
fuel tank - that's
messin' with the fuel system. I suppose the
electronic ignition I would like
to install someday is also considered major. Anybody
else recertified their
airplanes for things like this?

LF


I think I posted this before, but it is worth
reading.

http://www.ellison-fluid-systems.com/homebuilt_court_decision.htm



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E-bay Q

Bruce Crain
 

Isn't this Ron Whetston's TriQ2?
http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&rd=1&item=4529158482&category=63677
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E-Bay Q

Bruce Crain
 

Isn't this Ron Whetstin's TriQ on E-Bay?

http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=4529158482&indexURL=10#ebayphotohosting

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Re: [jabiruengines] What is KPa

DDD <log@...>
 

Is this a language converter. Darrell Daniels

----- Original Message -----
From: "John Loram" <johnl@...>
To: <Q-LIST@...>
Sent: Sunday, February 20, 2005 7:13 PM
Subject: [Q-LIST] RE: [jabiruengines] What is KPa



Sorry about that;

It's available in both

English (http://www.convert-me.com/en/)

and

Russian (http://www.ru.convert-me.com/ru/)

-john-

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From: John Loram
Sent: Sunday, February 20, 2005 7:00 PM
To: 'jabiruengines@...'
Subject: RE: [jabiruengines] What is KPa


Here is a website that allows you to convert almost anything to
something else.

regards -john-

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From: gregsmi@... [mailto:gregsmi@...]
Sent: Sunday, February 20, 2005 4:01 PM
To: jabiruengines@...
Subject: [jabiruengines] What is KPa


I bought my engine with gauges from Australia. I am now trying to sort
out
the oil pressure. The gauge is in KPa X 100. I would like to know what
the
pressure is in PSI. What does KPa stand for, is it Kilopascal?

Thanks
Greg






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X-Plane Q2/Q200?

Jon Finley <jon@...>
 

Could someone that has a Q2 or Q200 X-Plane "design" please email me a
copy?? My son has gotten into X-Plane and would like a Q to fly.

Thanks!

Jon Finley (jon at finleyweb dot net)
N90MG Q2 - Subaru EJ-22 DD - 467 Hrs. TT
Apple Valley, Minnesota
http://www.FinleyWeb.net/Q2Subaru


Re: Alterations

JMasal@...
 

For all the red tape bureaucracy we DO have a process that allows us to fly
all sorts of amateur built aircraft. Try building in South Africa, or Japan or
China or any number of other countries. But we are allowed to complain here
and even assert we are not joiners while we let the EAA, AOPA etc. fight to
protect our rights without supporting them.
Amerika... I luff dis kuntry you haff here.

j.


Operating Limitations

hrdirks@...
 

Our Q2 was originally inspected and given its airworthiness certificate
many years ago, and we had the outdated operating limitations which
do not permit you to make any modifications without getting a new
inspection from the FAA. You should read your operating limitations
to find out if you need to update them.

We needed to do that so that we could make a propeller change and
only have to do a five hour test and a logbook endorsement to be legal.

Following is a sample letter of the one we sent to the FAA to accomplish
the paper-work changes. They got back to us within two weeks and I went
to the FSDO and exchanged our original copies for the new ones. We then
made the prop change and are overhauling the Revmaster engine. We are
waiting for warmer weather to fly off the five hours and make the needed
logbook entries. H. Dirks


SAMPLE LETTER

FAA Flight Standards District Office
Date
Street Address
City, State, zip

Dear Sir or Madam:

Re: Aircraft Name .
My aircraft, NXXXX, currently has ___ hours on it, has completed
all test flight (Phase I) requirements on mm/dd/yyyy, and is currently
operating in Phase II.

In accordance with FAA Order 8130.2F paragraph 27b(1)(d) and
27b(4) & (6), this application is being submitted to amend my current
experimental operating limitations to match those published in FAA
Order 8130.2F, paragraph 153 (dated 11/5/2004).

I've enclosed copies of the current airworthiness certificate, aircraft
registration and operating limitations for my aircraft, NXXXX, for your
reference use.

Also enclosed is a revised FAA Form 8130-6, Application for Airworthiness

Certificate. In addition to requesting the amendment of the operating
limitations, I am installing a propeller different from the original one.

The new propeller is a ____PROPELLER NAME AND TYPE_____ as listed
on the revised Form 8130-6.

In accordance with FAA Order 8130.2F, paragraph 152c(3) (dated 11/5/2004)

and the amended operating limitations of FAA Order 8130.2F, paragraph
153b(19) (dated 11/5/2004)., I propose a 5-hour test area for the major
propeller change to be conducted under day VFR conditions in the
sparsely-populated areas of the airspace in a 25 mile radius of
your airport , and I am requesting your concurrence
to the
suitability of this proposal.

Please call or notify me when you have completed the revised Form 8130-6
and the amended documents (airworthiness certificate, aircraft
registration,
and operating limitations) and I will provide the originals for exchange.
Sincerely,
Signature
NAME
ADDRESS
TELEPHONE