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Re: Dot 5

Peter Harris <peterjfharris@...>
 

Damian my kit brakes must use auto transmission fluid not brake fluid. Braked fluid would spoil the O ring seals in my set.
Peter

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Subject: Re: [Q-LIST] Dot 5


Group, One great advantage of DOT 5 fluid is that it is non corrosive and will not eat paint if you spill some on it (as I inevitably seem to do as well as get fingerprints on stuff).
One warning is that 3-4 and 5 do not mix!Catastrophic results will ensue.
To convert all parts should be(read must)taken apart and seals changed as well as lines purged.
The added benefits of Dot 5 is that you will not suffer corrosion issues [crusty stuff) should the aircraft remain dormant for a long period.
just my 3 cents worth...And does anyone have a stock 0200 starter laying around defunct is fine{actually prefered)?
Regards,
Damian Gregory N8427 Q200


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Re: Fw: Re: Seat belt anchor bolts

Larry Hamm <LDHAMM@...>
 

Paul,
Thanks! I'm working on that just now.
My canopy's a slider, so it's already open in the rear. I think I'll make two belt slots (per seat) in the seatback bulkhead, shoulder width, with a bit of reinforcing between. Other than for comfort, this should vector the impact forces to the anchor bolt in nearly opposite directions, reducing the chance of the anchor pad ripping free.
Always fun!
Larry

Paul Buckley wrote:


You should make two attach points for each seat, the same width as
the belts where they go over your shoulders. In the event of a sudden
stop it will cause the g force acting on your shoulders to be in the
direction of travel, and prevent the straps trying to chop off your
head!


Another worthwhile mod to seat belt safety is to cut away the canopy
bulkhead and make it horseshoe shaped. You would need to do this
anyway, to gain any benefit from the dual shoulder strap attach
points. As per plans, with a full canopy bulkhead, the shoulder
straps will exert a downward load on your shoulders in the event of a
major sudden stop, which could possibly cause a compression fracture
of the spine. The whole idea of these two mods is to ensure that any
g load imposed by rapid deceleration acts squarely on your body. They
are not for cosmetic reasons.

Paul Buckley TriQ-200 Cheshire England


Re: Seat belt anchor bolts

Paul Buckley
 

Hi Sam

Interesting write up, I guess that the dice were on your side that day!
Do you think though, that you gave the belt attach points a real workout? (I asume that they are built as per plans)
Perhaps your speed was not that great at moment of flip over, though the thought of you hanging upside down as the vertical stab. slammed into the ground makes me wince.
As a matter of interest, do you have the full canopy bulkhead or is it cut away as I previously mentioned?

Regards

Paul Buckley

----- Original Message -----
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Sent: Thursday, February 24, 2005 11:42 PM
Subject: RE: [Q-LIST] Seat belt anchor bolts


Early on, I had an accident. You can read all the gory details here:
http://home.mchsi.com/~shoskins/early_years.htm

When it was all over, the aircraft had flipped upside down, I had a broken
tailcone, rear wing, canopy. Prop and cowling.

For what it's worth, the seatbelt attachments held.

Sam



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Sent: Thursday, February 24, 2005 11:25 AM
To: Q-LIST@...
Subject: Re: [Q-LIST] Seat belt anchor bolts



Somewhere in an old Q-talk there is a suggested modification to the seat
belt attach points, utilising the outside skin.
I am a little hazy about it but I think it involved removing a section of
the inner skin and foam and floxing in a 3/8 ply reinforcing plate, then
applying the glass reinforcing patches on the inside. The holes for the
fastening bolts are then drilled all the way through the fus. side,
countersunk on the outside and the appropriate AN4 bolts used. Any
depression left on the fus. skin is filled with flox and a one ply bid patch
applied (if considered neccessary)

Paul Buckley
TriQ-200
Cheshire
England.

----- Original Message -----
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To: Q-LIST@...
Sent: Thursday, February 24, 2005 6:01 AM
Subject: Re: [Q-LIST] Seat belt anchor bolts


Sam,

I, too, wonder about the ability of the glass to hold 9G forces. Maybe
about ten plies of six inch wide UNI, run as far to the rear as possible?

Thanks also to John and Neil, but since your answers don't match, I'll
have to throw them out. No, seriously, it sounds like the AN-4 will do
the job. Since I'm not planning on ever trying it out, I should be fine!

Larry

Sam Kittle wrote:
> Larry,
>
> I have been looking at installing my belt anchors and am really more
> concerned about the 7 layers of BID to the inside skin. I am thinking

> of cutting through the inside skin, removing the clark foam and then
> accomplishing the lay-up to the inside of the outside skin.
>
> It looks to me that the AN4 bolt is stronger than the lay-up to the
> inside skin. But I am not an engineer.
>
> Sam
>
> Larry Hamm wrote:
>
>
>>My van has metric grade 8.8 bolts, 10mm diameter, anchoring the belts
>>(and me). They feel very strong, even when I yank on them REALLY HARD.
>>On the other hand, the Q plans call for AN4 bolts, about 6mm diameter.
>>
>>Do 1/4" bolts really seem sufficient? Then again, since the Q bolts
>>don't have much to hang on to, I guess bigger bolts wouldn't provide any

>>more security, huh?
>>
>>Should I leave out the header tank and install airbags??
>>
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Fw: Re: Seat belt anchor bolts

Paul Buckley
 

Not sure if this went out OK so I am sending it again.
Apologies if it did.

----- Original Message -----
From: Paul Buckley
To: Q-LIST@...
Sent: Thursday, February 24, 2005 7:54 PM
Subject: Fw: [Q-LIST] Re: Seat belt anchor bolts

You should make two attach points for each seat, the same width as the belts where they go over your shoulders.
In the event of a sudden stop it will cause the g force acting on your shoulders to be in the direction of travel, and prevent the straps trying to chop off your head!


Another worthwhile mod to seat belt safety is to cut away the canopy bulkhead and make it horseshoe shaped.
You would need to do this anyway, to gain any benefit from the dual shoulder strap attach points.
As per plans, with a full canopy bulkhead, the shoulder straps will exert a downward load on your shoulders in the event of a major sudden stop, which could possibly cause a compression fracture of the spine.
The whole idea of these two mods is to ensure that any g load imposed by rapid deceleration acts squarely on your body.
They are not for cosmetic reasons.

Paul Buckley
TriQ-200
Cheshire
England

----- Original Message -----
From: Larry Hamm
To: Q-LIST@...
Sent: Thursday, February 24, 2005 6:28 PM
Subject: Re: [Q-LIST] Re: Seat belt anchor bolts


OK, Jim, which is it, build per plans or make two wing mount points each
seat? :) (I appreciate the tip!)

I had just noticed the gross disparity in size between the anchor bolts
in my van and in a Q and was wondering. I guess there aren't too many
head on collisions in the air.

Larry
In Utah where the sun shines except when Cali sends it's crud up here.

Jim Patillo wrote:
>
>
> Larry & Sam,
>
> How many people have crashed these things? (Lots) How many people
> have lived? (Lots) How many died because the seatbelt failed?
> (Debatable) How many people built per plans? (Lots) See where I'm
> going with this. Just build it per plans and move on. You need to
> consider making double mount points in the main wing for each set of
> belts. This will eliminate the harness cutting into your neck while
> flying problem.
>
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Re: Mike's web site

HawkiDoug <hawkidoug@...>
 

Thanks for Mike's Web site. Once I got there, I remembered I already had it.

Doug "Hawkeye" Humble
www.asignabove.net
Omaha NE
N25974

----- Original Message -----
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Sent: Thursday, February 24, 2005 7:48 PM
Subject: Re: [Q-LIST] Mike's web site



Doug,

It is http://www.geocities.com/fly-home/.

Regards,
Gord
----- Original Message -----
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Sent: Thursday, February 24, 2005 5:18 PM
Subject: [Q-LIST] Mike's web site


OK I'm curious too. What is Mike Dwyer's web site address.

Doug "Hawkeye" Humble
www.asignabove.net
Omaha NE
N25974
----- Original Message -----
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To: <Q-LIST@...>
Sent: Thursday, February 24, 2005 3:58 PM
Subject: Re: RE: [Fwd: [Q-LIST] Velocity Aircraft]]


>
> Thanks Mike, I did have their number, actually it is 772 589 1860. My
> problem was connecting with them. I tried three times over a 20 minute
> span and kept getting a recorded message from Bell that their phone had
> been disconnected which in fact was not the case. I did try again this
> morning and got through with no problem. The only plausible explanation
I
> have to date is what I outlined in my email to this group this morning.
> While I have this opportunity I would like to thank you for your
website
> on building your Q200. I have visited it a number of times in the past
11
> months since purchasing my kit. How is the Osprey coming along?
> Gord
> Q2 Builder
> Ottawa, Canada
>
> ----- Original Message -----
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> To: Q-LIST@...
> Sent: Thursday, February 24, 2005 3:50 PM
> Subject: [Fwd: RE: [Fwd: [Q-LIST] Velocity Aircraft]]
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>
> Their tel # is 772-589-1660 You can also contact Scott on Email at[
> scottswing@...
> <mailto:scottswing@...> ]
>
>
> >
> >
> >Just tried to reach Velocity Aircraft in Sebastian Florida re:
ordering
> parts and was told their number has been disconnected. Can anyone fill
me
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> >
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Re: [Fwd: Velocity Aircraft]]

Gordon Givens
 

David,

I thought that it might be hurricane related too but Scott Baker at Velocity told me that they had no trouble receiving calls from all across the U.S. and other International calls on Wednesday and suggested that the problem was probably in my exchange connecting to the 772 area code. Nobody with Bell here can identify with any problem at this end either however, although that seems like the most plausible explanation I have received to date. Thanks for your input nevertheless.

As a relative newcomer on the Quickie aircraft builder scene ( 11 months now, presently making my templates ) I would like to take this opportunity to thank you for your tremendous contributions to those of us less knowledgeable for your excellent articles both in the past and present. Your article on camber and toe-in was one of the first I was directed to by another Q2 builder from the Montreal area, David Cyr, who graciously took me for my first flight last summer in his Q2 which he built I believe in the 90's. I am indeed fortunate to have he and Michel Moreau also from the Montreal area to consult with as I proceed with my building. All I must do now is beat father time to the finish line :-)
Best regards,

Gord Givens
Ottawa, Canada

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Gordon,

BellSouth lost much of their newer switching equipment for the 407 and 772 area codes in the hurricanes last year and are still rebuilding the network in that area. The existing network is older equipment pressed back into service and subject to interesting glitches like the one you experienced.


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Re: Mike's web site

Gordon Givens
 

Doug,

It is http://www.geocities.com/fly-home/.

Regards,
Gord

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Subject: [Q-LIST] Mike's web site


OK I'm curious too. What is Mike Dwyer's web site address.

Doug "Hawkeye" Humble
www.asignabove.net
Omaha NE
N25974
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Sent: Thursday, February 24, 2005 3:58 PM
Subject: Re: RE: [Fwd: [Q-LIST] Velocity Aircraft]]


>
> Thanks Mike, I did have their number, actually it is 772 589 1860. My
> problem was connecting with them. I tried three times over a 20 minute
> span and kept getting a recorded message from Bell that their phone had
> been disconnected which in fact was not the case. I did try again this
> morning and got through with no problem. The only plausible explanation I
> have to date is what I outlined in my email to this group this morning.
> While I have this opportunity I would like to thank you for your website
> on building your Q200. I have visited it a number of times in the past 11
> months since purchasing my kit. How is the Osprey coming along?
> Gord
> Q2 Builder
> Ottawa, Canada
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: Mike Dwyer
> To: Q-LIST@...
> Sent: Thursday, February 24, 2005 3:50 PM
> Subject: [Fwd: RE: [Fwd: [Q-LIST] Velocity Aircraft]]
>
>
>
>
> Their tel # is 772-589-1660 You can also contact Scott on Email at[
> scottswing@...
> <mailto:scottswing@...> ]
>
>
> >
> >
> >Just tried to reach Velocity Aircraft in Sebastian Florida re: ordering
> parts and was told their number has been disconnected. Can anyone fill me
> in on what has happened there. Thanks.
> >
> >Gord
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Re: Mike's web site

Paul Spackman
 

Doug,

Take a look under links on the QBA website ;0

Paul Spackman

--- In Q-LIST@..., "HawkiDoug" <hawkidoug@c...> wrote:
OK I'm curious too. What is Mike Dwyer's web site address.

Doug "Hawkeye" Humble
www.asignabove.net
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Sent: Thursday, February 24, 2005 3:58 PM
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Thanks Mike, I did have their number, actually it is 772 589
1860. My
problem was connecting with them. I tried three times over a 20
minute
span and kept getting a recorded message from Bell that their
phone had
been disconnected which in fact was not the case. I did try again
this
morning and got through with no problem. The only plausible
explanation I
have to date is what I outlined in my email to this group this
morning.
While I have this opportunity I would like to thank you for your
website
on building your Q200. I have visited it a number of times in the
past 11
months since purchasing my kit. How is the Osprey coming along?
Gord
Q2 Builder
Ottawa, Canada

----- Original Message -----
From: Mike Dwyer
To: Q-LIST@...
Sent: Thursday, February 24, 2005 3:50 PM
Subject: [Fwd: RE: [Fwd: [Q-LIST] Velocity Aircraft]]




Their tel # is 772-589-1660 You can also contact Scott on
Email at[
scottswing@v...
<mailto:scottswing@v...> ]


>
>
>Just tried to reach Velocity Aircraft in Sebastian Florida re:
ordering
parts and was told their number has been disconnected. Can anyone
fill me
in on what has happened there. Thanks.
>
>Gord
>Q2 builder
>Ottawa Canada
>
>
>
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Re: Seat belt anchor bolts

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Early on, I had an accident. You can read all the gory details here:
http://home.mchsi.com/~shoskins/early_years.htm

When it was all over, the aircraft had flipped upside down, I had a broken
tailcone, rear wing, canopy. Prop and cowling.

For what it's worth, the seatbelt attachments held.

Sam



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From: Paul Buckley [mailto:paulbuckley@...]
Sent: Thursday, February 24, 2005 11:25 AM
To: Q-LIST@...
Subject: Re: [Q-LIST] Seat belt anchor bolts



Somewhere in an old Q-talk there is a suggested modification to the seat
belt attach points, utilising the outside skin.
I am a little hazy about it but I think it involved removing a section of
the inner skin and foam and floxing in a 3/8 ply reinforcing plate, then
applying the glass reinforcing patches on the inside. The holes for the
fastening bolts are then drilled all the way through the fus. side,
countersunk on the outside and the appropriate AN4 bolts used. Any
depression left on the fus. skin is filled with flox and a one ply bid patch
applied (if considered neccessary)

Paul Buckley
TriQ-200
Cheshire
England.

----- Original Message -----
From: Larry Hamm
To: Q-LIST@...
Sent: Thursday, February 24, 2005 6:01 AM
Subject: Re: [Q-LIST] Seat belt anchor bolts


Sam,

I, too, wonder about the ability of the glass to hold 9G forces. Maybe
about ten plies of six inch wide UNI, run as far to the rear as possible?

Thanks also to John and Neil, but since your answers don't match, I'll
have to throw them out. No, seriously, it sounds like the AN-4 will do
the job. Since I'm not planning on ever trying it out, I should be fine!

Larry

Sam Kittle wrote:
> Larry,
>
> I have been looking at installing my belt anchors and am really more
> concerned about the 7 layers of BID to the inside skin. I am thinking

> of cutting through the inside skin, removing the clark foam and then
> accomplishing the lay-up to the inside of the outside skin.
>
> It looks to me that the AN4 bolt is stronger than the lay-up to the
> inside skin. But I am not an engineer.
>
> Sam
>
> Larry Hamm wrote:
>
>
>>My van has metric grade 8.8 bolts, 10mm diameter, anchoring the belts
>>(and me). They feel very strong, even when I yank on them REALLY HARD.
>>On the other hand, the Q plans call for AN4 bolts, about 6mm diameter.
>>
>>Do 1/4" bolts really seem sufficient? Then again, since the Q bolts
>>don't have much to hang on to, I guess bigger bolts wouldn't provide any

>>more security, huh?
>>
>>Should I leave out the header tank and install airbags??
>>
>>Larry Hamm
>>"SubyQ"
>>
>>
>>
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Re: E-Bay Q

Larry Hamm <LDHAMM@...>
 

Bob,
Airheart offers both types of seals now (DOT 5 or Mil-H-5606). I'm trying to determine which would be compatible with the Mil-H-83282 synthetic fluid mentioned in an earlier post today. It looks like good stuff, and since I'm working on brakes now, I may as well use it.

Thanks again for mentioning that brake master cylinders on Quickies should be the non-reservoir type. I had some Matco MC-5's I was going to use, but hadn't thought about trying to add fluid later. Now I've got the MC-4's and a remote reservoir.
Larry Hamm
Park City, UT
"SubyQ"

Bob Farnam wrote:

Beware of Dot 5 if you are using the Airheart brakes. It is compatible with
Cleveland or Matco brake systems, but not Airheart (unless they have changed
their seal compounds in the caliper). I tried Dot 5 early in the game (1998)
and had massive leaks develop in the calipers. A switch to aviation red
fixed the problem and I've had no more leaks. I use Matco master cylinders
and Airheart calipers.
Bob F.
N200QK


Re: Seat belt anchor bolts

Larry Hamm <LDHAMM@...>
 

Jim,
I know what you're saying, and I'd love to build per plans, but there's that Jim-Bob sixpack, and draggy wheelpants, and limited tankage, and engines that don't suit me, and whatever else needs changing after twenty-five years! :)
I think I can use the single wing anchor bolt on each side, and route the shoulder harnesses through two slots instead of one. That should help.

Jim Patillo wrote:

Larry,
Build per plans. The dual mount on the shoulder straps are a confort thing but I've flown both types and don't like getting my neck cut by harnesses. Besides its unconfortable. IMHO.
Regards Jim P.


Re: [Fwd: Velocity Aircraft]]

David J. Gall
 

Gordon,

BellSouth lost much of their newer switching equipment for the 407 and 772 area codes in the hurricanes last year and are still rebuilding the network in that area. The existing network is older equipment pressed back into service and subject to interesting glitches like the one you experienced.


David J. Gall

----- Original Message -----
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To: Q-LIST@...
Subject: Re: RE: [Fwd: [Q-LIST] Velocity Aircraft]]
Date: Thu, 24 Feb 2005 16:58:29 -0500



Thanks Mike, I did have their number, actually it is 772 589 1860. My problem
was connecting with them. I tried three times over a 20 minute span and kept
getting a recorded message from Bell that their phone had been disconnected
which in fact was not the case. I did try again this morning and got through
with no problem. The only plausible explanation I have to date is what I
outlined in my email to this group this morning. While I have this opportunity
I would like to thank you for your website on building your Q200. I have
visited it a number of times in the past 11 months since purchasing my kit.
How is the Osprey coming along?
Gord
Q2 Builder
Ottawa, Canada

----- Original Message -----
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Subject: [Fwd: RE: [Fwd: [Q-LIST] Velocity Aircraft]]




Their tel # is 772-589-1660 You can also contact Scott on Email at[
scottswing@... <mailto:scottswing@...> ]


>
>
>Just tried to reach Velocity Aircraft in Sebastian Florida re: ordering
parts and was told their number has been disconnected. Can anyone fill me in
on what has happened there. Thanks.
>
>Gord
>Q2 builder
>Ottawa Canada


Mike's web site

HawkiDoug <hawkidoug@...>
 

OK I'm curious too. What is Mike Dwyer's web site address.

Doug "Hawkeye" Humble
www.asignabove.net
Omaha NE
N25974

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Sent: Thursday, February 24, 2005 3:58 PM
Subject: Re: RE: [Fwd: [Q-LIST] Velocity Aircraft]]



Thanks Mike, I did have their number, actually it is 772 589 1860. My problem was connecting with them. I tried three times over a 20 minute span and kept getting a recorded message from Bell that their phone had been disconnected which in fact was not the case. I did try again this morning and got through with no problem. The only plausible explanation I have to date is what I outlined in my email to this group this morning. While I have this opportunity I would like to thank you for your website on building your Q200. I have visited it a number of times in the past 11 months since purchasing my kit. How is the Osprey coming along?
Gord
Q2 Builder
Ottawa, Canada

----- Original Message -----
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Their tel # is 772-589-1660 You can also contact Scott on Email at[
scottswing@... <mailto:scottswing@...> ]


>
>
>Just tried to reach Velocity Aircraft in Sebastian Florida re: ordering
parts and was told their number has been disconnected. Can anyone fill me in on what has happened there. Thanks.
>
>Gord
>Q2 builder
>Ottawa Canada
>
>
>
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Re: [Fwd: Velocity Aircraft]]

Gordon Givens
 

Thanks Mike, I did have their number, actually it is 772 589 1860. My problem was connecting with them. I tried three times over a 20 minute span and kept getting a recorded message from Bell that their phone had been disconnected which in fact was not the case. I did try again this morning and got through with no problem. The only plausible explanation I have to date is what I outlined in my email to this group this morning. While I have this opportunity I would like to thank you for your website on building your Q200. I have visited it a number of times in the past 11 months since purchasing my kit. How is the Osprey coming along?
Gord
Q2 Builder
Ottawa, Canada

----- Original Message -----
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To: Q-LIST@...
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Subject: [Fwd: RE: [Fwd: [Q-LIST] Velocity Aircraft]]




Their tel # is 772-589-1660 You can also contact Scott on Email at[
scottswing@... <mailto:scottswing@...> ]


>
>
>Just tried to reach Velocity Aircraft in Sebastian Florida re: ordering parts and was told their number has been disconnected. Can anyone fill me in on what has happened there. Thanks.
>
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Re: E-Bay Q

britmcman99
 

I see the Tri Q closing on eBay in 21 minutes. Whose it gonna be?
Phil Lankford
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Re: Seat belt anchor bolts

Gordon Givens
 

For what it is worth Velocity does it by removing the top skin, digging out the foam, packing it with mico-glass, and inserting the aluminum hardpoint and glassing over it with two plies of bid. If you go to Andy Millin's website at http://www.kal-soft.com/velocity/ and go to photos 261 and 262 he shows it very well.

Gord
Q2 Builder
Ottawa, Canada

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Somewhere in an old Q-talk there is a suggested modification to the seat belt attach points, utilising the outside skin.
I am a little hazy about it but I think it involved removing a section of the inner skin and foam and floxing in a 3/8 ply reinforcing plate, then applying the glass reinforcing patches on the inside. The holes for the fastening bolts are then drilled all the way through the fus. side, countersunk on the outside and the appropriate AN4 bolts used. Any depression left on the fus. skin is filled with flox and a one ply bid patch applied (if considered neccessary)

Paul Buckley
TriQ-200
Cheshire
England.

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Sent: Thursday, February 24, 2005 6:01 AM
Subject: Re: [Q-LIST] Seat belt anchor bolts


Sam,

I, too, wonder about the ability of the glass to hold 9G forces. Maybe
about ten plies of six inch wide UNI, run as far to the rear as possible?

Thanks also to John and Neil, but since your answers don't match, I'll
have to throw them out. No, seriously, it sounds like the AN-4 will do
the job. Since I'm not planning on ever trying it out, I should be fine!

Larry

Sam Kittle wrote:
> Larry,
>
> I have been looking at installing my belt anchors and am really more
> concerned about the 7 layers of BID to the inside skin. I am thinking
> of cutting through the inside skin, removing the clark foam and then
> accomplishing the lay-up to the inside of the outside skin.
>
> It looks to me that the AN4 bolt is stronger than the lay-up to the
> inside skin. But I am not an engineer.
>
> Sam
>
> Larry Hamm wrote:
>
>
>>My van has metric grade 8.8 bolts, 10mm diameter, anchoring the belts
>>(and me). They feel very strong, even when I yank on them REALLY HARD.
>>On the other hand, the Q plans call for AN4 bolts, about 6mm diameter.
>>
>>Do 1/4" bolts really seem sufficient? Then again, since the Q bolts
>>don't have much to hang on to, I guess bigger bolts wouldn't provide any
>>more security, huh?
>>
>>Should I leave out the header tank and install airbags??
>>
>>Larry Hamm
>>"SubyQ"
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[Fwd: RE: [Fwd: Velocity Aircraft]]

Mike Dwyer <mdwyer@...>
 

Their tel # is 772-589-1660 You can also contact Scott on Email at[ scottswing@... <mailto:scottswing@...> ]



Just tried to reach Velocity Aircraft in Sebastian Florida re: ordering parts and was told their number has been disconnected. Can anyone fill me in on what has happened there. Thanks.

Gord
Q2 builder
Ottawa Canada



Re: Interesting article on Brake Fluid

Mike Dwyer <mdwyer@...>
 

That is an excellent article, thanks for posting it. I'm going to
change from the auto transmission oil I was using.
Mike Q-200


moehlencamp@... wrote:

There is some interesting reading on brake fluid and component compatability
on the Thorplist. This was post 7915 in case it gets stripped from this Email.

Bob MO

This was posted on the Biplane Hangar Mailing list recently:
Bret - Biplane Hangar http://www.gf24.de/biplane/
<<Gang,
Had a brake fire on an RV-8A last weekend. Tidy combination of operator
error and design issues, much of which is specific to the 8A and/or castering
nosewheel, steer-with-the-brakes airplanes in general. However, research did
turn up a few items perhaps everyone should know.

The fire started after an overheated caliper leaked fluid on a hot disk.
The fluid flashed and lit the resin in the fiberglass wheel pant, as well as
the tire sidewall. The brake worked fine, with only slightly higher pedal
pressure required even when on fire.
I've posted a photo to the vault (yep, a bystander had a digital camera). In
the photo, I'm holding pedal pressure while shutting down for the fire crew.
Note the fire on the ground under the pant, believed to be fluid and dripping
resin. I don't recall any additional pedal travel.

When something like this happens I get curious. Why did the seal leak
at some temperature well below a failure temperature for the rest of the brake?
And why did the fluid catch fire?

Fast forward: It turns out the Cleveland piston seal for the little
30-9 caliper is an ordinary MS28775-218 nitrile o-ring. Nitrile's temperature
rating is - 65F to +275 F. We found the seal to be brittle and flaking when we
dismantled the caliper. A caliper seal with a 275 F temp limit is below
automotive standards, but that's another story.

As for fluid, Cleveland's tech manual specifies either Mil-H-5606 or
Mil-H-83282 as acceptable. Both are listed in AC-43 and the A&P texts. Turns
out that Mil-H-83282 was created because the military was tired of setting it's
airplanes on fire. Mil-H-5606 is the standard red hydraulic fluid sold by
Spruce, Wicks, Chief, etc. It is a petroleum base, and turns out to have a very
low flash point. The Mil-H-83282 is also red, and compatible with 5606 fluid
as well as seals created for 5606. However, it is a synthetic, with much
higher flash and burn points, and is self-extinguishing when removed from the
ignition source.

You can download complete specs for Aeroshell Fluid 41 (Mil-H-5606) and
Aeroshell Fluid 31 (Mil-H-83282) at:

http://193.113.209.166/aeroshell/aeroshellhydraulicfluids.pdf

Note the flash points of the two fluids. Aeroshell 41 is 104 C, which
is only 219 F. Aeroshell 31 is 237 C, or 458 F.

A flash point of 219 F means that when a Cleveland caliper seal fails at
something above 275, the fluid is already hot enough to light when it hits a
hot disk and vaporizes inside the pant. Makes for an interesting combination.

Live and learn. I always assumed standard "mil-spec red brake fluid"
was something special, and I doubt I was alone in this assumption. It's not.
It's just another one of those "always done it that way" things prevalent with
light airplanes. Note that the Shell literature declines to even refer to it
as brake fluid.

Spruce, etc, doesn't sell Mil-H-83282 fluid, but they should. I've
already ordeting combination.

Live and learn. I always assumed standard "mil-spec red brake fluid"
was something special, and I doubt I was alone in this assumption. It's not.
It's just another one of those "always done it that way" things prevalent with
light airplanes. Note that the Shell literature declines to even refer to it
as brake fluid.

Spruce, etc, doesn't sell Mil-H-83282 fluid, but they should. I've
already ordered a gallon of Fluid 31 from the local Shell distributor. Since the
old and new fluids are compatible, switching is as easy as draining the old,
flush with new, refill, and bleed.

Let's be careful out there.








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Re: Strong Pitch Trim

Ron Triano <rondefly@...>
 

Sorry Doug, here it is.
Sorry Dave, I forgot to insert the web page for Strong Pitch Trim.
http://www.strongpitchtrim.com/ <BLOCKED::http://www.strongpitchtrim.com/>
This will show you how it operates.

Ron T

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From: HawkiDoug [mailto:hawkidoug@...]
Sent: Thursday, February 24, 2005 12:31 PM
To: Q-LIST@...
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Ron, you didn't have a link in your email.

Doug "Hawkeye" Humble
www.asignabove.net
Omaha NE
N25974
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Sent: Thursday, February 24, 2005 2:10 PM
Subject: RE: [Q-LIST] Strong Pitch Trim



Dave, here is the web site for the Strong Pitch Trim, you will see how the
unit operates, I reall like it and with it now turned on you can operate
the
stick through the entire travel.

Ron T

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Sent: Thursday, February 24, 2005 7:32 AM
To: Q-LIST@...
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Hey Ron,

Usually I ask "can you draw me a picture?" but even after inverting the
one image, I'm not quite sure I understand what you've got going here.
It seems like it will dampen the elevator travel. Do you roll the rod
from the gas shock or something else to actually trim the elevator? Is
there a cable involved in this? I see one in one of the photos but not
sure where it goes or what it does.

Inquiring minds want to know....

Dave Richardson
Tri-Q2 825DR
Stow, OH

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Sent: Thursday, February 24, 2005 9:44 AM
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I just posted 3 pictures of the mounting of the pitch trim on the
Yahoo web site, under Ron Triano in the photo's section.

Ron T






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Re: E-Bay Q

joseph.m.tygart.alion@...
 

BRAKES: Right on guys - The overhaul kit I received from Airheart specifies
"Red Mineral Oil "fluid only. Comes in a 13 oz bottle. I've tried
everything suggested so far. As J.P. stated, you must bleed from the upper
bleed valve. I agree that the culprit is probably air entering the system
via the bleed valves. Think I'll try some Teflon sealing tape around the
bleed valves and rig up a pressure pump to force out bubbles. I'll try
again this weekend if the snow melts enough. Could be some alien west coast
bacteria type critter that hooked a ride from Washington State? Thanks all,
Joe Tygart

-----Original Message-----
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Beware of Dot 5 if you are using the Airheart brakes. It is compatible with
Cleveland or Matco brake systems, but not Airheart (unless they have changed
their seal compounds in the caliper). I tried Dot 5 early in the game (1998)
and had massive leaks develop in the calipers. A switch to aviation red
fixed the problem and I've had no more leaks. I use Matco master cylinders
and Airheart calipers.
Bob F.
N200QK

-----Original Message-----
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Sent: Wednesday, February 23, 2005 9:26 PM
To: joseph.m.tygart.alion@...
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Hi Joe,

I thought you bought an airplane that flew in from my part of the country.
How come so many problems?

What kind of brake fluid are you using? If you are not using aircraft
fluid, get some. I have had nothing but trouble with transmission fluid.

No special tools required. You must bleed from the top bleed port on the
calipers. Pressure bleeding from the bottom and standard bleeding from
the
top will both work. One problem is that the bleed screw must be turned
open
to get fluid in/out and when you do this, there will be air going into the
line. So you should attach a tube to the screw with fluid in it and open
the screw when there is positive fluid pressure to keep air out.

I had a unique problem with one airplane. The master cylinder was
attached
to a parking brake valve with a solid line. When I pulled on the brake
handle, the solid line put tension on the connection to the valve and
created a leak.

You could also use dot 5 auto fluid but must first purge all the remaining
fluid in the system with paint thinner and disassemble the pistons and
clean
them out (both master and calipers). When dot 5 mixes with dot 3 or
aircraft fluid it becomes a jelly. The great thing about dot 5 is that
the
seals will not deteriorate. The US military uses dot 5 for this reason.

Hope this helps.

James Postma
Q2 Revmaster N145EX
Q200 N8427
Steilacoom, Washington
(253) 584-1182 9:00 to 8:00 PDT
May your header tank be always full and your wings right side up.

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Sent: Wednesday, February 23, 2005 6:19 AM
Subject: RE: [Q-LIST] E-Bay Q


>
> Oh ye of knowledge - In my endless crusade to restore N672CP to a
flyable
> condition, I have upgraded the brake mounting bracket and serviced the
> "Airheart Brakes." After totally dismantling the brakes & purging the
old
> mineral oil fluid from the system, I am unable to completely bleed the
> brakes, i.e. with the first compression of the brake cylinder
(conventional
> arm rest mounted handle) I consistently get air in the line with
negative
> brake. These are the differential type Airhearts' with independent
> approximate 5" brake cylinders with 1 ea. bleed valve per cylinder. The
> calipers have 2 ea. bleed valves. I've tried bleeding from the top down
and
> several times from the caliper bleed valve up through the cylander valve
> with a "mityVac" vacuum system! No luck. Realizing this is a hybrid
old
> system - is there a special tool or technique I'm missing or should I
scrap
> the Airheart system altogether? Thanks, Joe
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