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Re: Need a pull starter for 0-200A

MartinErni@...
 

Mike,
I have a prestolite key starter described on the QBA site if you could
use it.
Earnest


Re: Seat belt anchor bolts

Sam Hoskins <shoskins@...>
 

Paul, my canopy bulkhead is trimmed to about a 3 inch lip all the way
around.

Sam



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Sent: Friday, February 25, 2005 9:25 AM
To: Q-LIST@...
Subject: Re: [Q-LIST] Seat belt anchor bolts



Hi Sam

Interesting write up, I guess that the dice were on your side that day!
Do you think though, that you gave the belt attach points a real workout? (I
asume that they are built as per plans)
Perhaps your speed was not that great at moment of flip over, though the
thought of you hanging upside down as the vertical stab. slammed into the
ground makes me wince.
As a matter of interest, do you have the full canopy bulkhead or is it cut
away as I previously mentioned?

Regards

Paul Buckley

----- Original Message -----
From: Sam Hoskins
To: Q-LIST@...
Sent: Thursday, February 24, 2005 11:42 PM
Subject: RE: [Q-LIST] Seat belt anchor bolts


Early on, I had an accident. You can read all the gory details here:
http://home.mchsi.com/~shoskins/early_years.htm

When it was all over, the aircraft had flipped upside down, I had a broken
tailcone, rear wing, canopy. Prop and cowling.

For what it's worth, the seatbelt attachments held.

Sam



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From: Paul Buckley [mailto:paulbuckley@...]
Sent: Thursday, February 24, 2005 11:25 AM
To: Q-LIST@...
Subject: Re: [Q-LIST] Seat belt anchor bolts



Somewhere in an old Q-talk there is a suggested modification to the seat
belt attach points, utilising the outside skin.
I am a little hazy about it but I think it involved removing a section of
the inner skin and foam and floxing in a 3/8 ply reinforcing plate, then
applying the glass reinforcing patches on the inside. The holes for the
fastening bolts are then drilled all the way through the fus. side,
countersunk on the outside and the appropriate AN4 bolts used. Any
depression left on the fus. skin is filled with flox and a one ply bid
patch
applied (if considered neccessary)

Paul Buckley
TriQ-200
Cheshire
England.

----- Original Message -----
From: Larry Hamm
To: Q-LIST@...
Sent: Thursday, February 24, 2005 6:01 AM
Subject: Re: [Q-LIST] Seat belt anchor bolts


Sam,

I, too, wonder about the ability of the glass to hold 9G forces. Maybe
about ten plies of six inch wide UNI, run as far to the rear as
possible?

Thanks also to John and Neil, but since your answers don't match, I'll
have to throw them out. No, seriously, it sounds like the AN-4 will do
the job. Since I'm not planning on ever trying it out, I should be fine!

Larry

Sam Kittle wrote:
> Larry,
>
> I have been looking at installing my belt anchors and am really more
> concerned about the 7 layers of BID to the inside skin. I am
thinking

> of cutting through the inside skin, removing the clark foam and then
> accomplishing the lay-up to the inside of the outside skin.
>
> It looks to me that the AN4 bolt is stronger than the lay-up to the
> inside skin. But I am not an engineer.
>
> Sam
>
> Larry Hamm wrote:
>
>
>>My van has metric grade 8.8 bolts, 10mm diameter, anchoring the belts
>>(and me). They feel very strong, even when I yank on them REALLY HARD.

>>On the other hand, the Q plans call for AN4 bolts, about 6mm diameter.
>>
>>Do 1/4" bolts really seem sufficient? Then again, since the Q bolts
>>don't have much to hang on to, I guess bigger bolts wouldn't provide
any

>>more security, huh?
>>
>>Should I leave out the header tank and install airbags??
>>
>>Larry Hamm
>>"SubyQ"
>>
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>>http://www.quickiebuilders.org
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Re: Fw: Re: Seat belt anchor bolts

Paul Buckley
 

Hmm, Larry.
You've got to think about where the forces will be concentrated in the event of a sudden stop, and those forces could be considerable.
I don't think that passing them through the seatback with a sharp change of angle is a very good idea. The forces will be concentrated at that point, trying to crush and pull away the seatback, which may be also the point at which, with the passage of time, the belts could be abraded and worn.
Why don't you think about fitting an attach/anchor point for each belt? It really isn't a lot more work, you will avoid uneccessary stress points on the belts and it will have the benefit of halving the amount of load on each point.
If you do go for the single attach point for both shoulder belts, you should aim for them to have a straight load path from shoulder to attach bracket, even if they will have a slight scissor action on your neck!
Sam has made the valid point that his belt attach points, built as per plans (I assume, Sam?) held up when he had cause to test them.
Of course, the seat belt restraint system is the one system in the aircraft that you hope never to use, but this does not mean that you should be complacent about it. Make a critical evaluation of what you intend to do, and do not be lured into the assumption that it will never be used......it may well be called upon to save you from serious injury, even death!
.......and on that note I wish you a very happy and productive weekend.

Paul Buckley
TriQ-200
Cheshire
England

Still building.................

----- Original Message -----
From: Larry Hamm
To: Q-LIST@...
Sent: Friday, February 25, 2005 6:38 PM
Subject: Re: Fw: [Q-LIST] Re: Seat belt anchor bolts


Paul,
Thanks! I'm working on that just now.
My canopy's a slider, so it's already open in the rear. I think I'll
make two belt slots (per seat) in the seatback bulkhead, shoulder width,
with a bit of reinforcing between. Other than for comfort, this should
vector the impact forces to the anchor bolt in nearly opposite
directions, reducing the chance of the anchor pad ripping free.
Always fun!
Larry

Paul Buckley wrote:
>
> You should make two attach points for each seat, the same width as
> the belts where they go over your shoulders. In the event of a sudden
> stop it will cause the g force acting on your shoulders to be in the
> direction of travel, and prevent the straps trying to chop off your
> head!
>
>
> Another worthwhile mod to seat belt safety is to cut away the canopy
> bulkhead and make it horseshoe shaped. You would need to do this
> anyway, to gain any benefit from the dual shoulder strap attach
> points. As per plans, with a full canopy bulkhead, the shoulder
> straps will exert a downward load on your shoulders in the event of a
> major sudden stop, which could possibly cause a compression fracture
> of the spine. The whole idea of these two mods is to ensure that any
> g load imposed by rapid deceleration acts squarely on your body. They
> are not for cosmetic reasons.
>
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Operating limitation clarification

French <LJFrench@...>
 

Just a clarification on the discussion of operating limitations. After trying twice and with no success to get my operating limitations upgraded, I tried again which got routed through different channels at the FSDO. A week and a half later I received the new operating limitations. However, those of you who say you have received the new operating limitations, beware that I believe that version 8130.2D is the only one that allows you to make changes with only a logbook entry and without contacting the FSDO. The latest versions both 8130.2E, and 8130.2F state the following:
-".....notify the geographically responsible FSDO of the location of the proposed test area. The aircraft owner must obtain concurrence from the FSDO as the suitability of the proposed test area."

So you are not relieved of your obligation to communicate with the FAA regarding major changes.

LF


Re: Dot 5

damiantwinsport@...
 

Group, One great advantage of DOT 5 fluid is that it is non corrosive and will not eat paint if you spill some on it (as I inevitably seem to do as well as get fingerprints on stuff).
One warning is that 3-4 and 5 do not mix!Catastrophic results will ensue.
To convert all parts should be(read must)taken apart and seals changed as well as lines purged.
The added benefits of Dot 5 is that you will not suffer corrosion issues [crusty stuff) should the aircraft remain dormant for a long period.
just my 3 cents worth...And does anyone have a stock 0200 starter laying around defunct is fine{actually prefered)?
Regards,
Damian Gregory N8427 Q200


Re: Dot 5

britmcman99
 

With the good benefits are some bad. If you use DOT 5, don't think that it
is without troubles of its own. DO change your brake fluid regularly. DOT 5
is not hygroscopic. It will not absorb moisture. Hence, moisture that enters
the system (and it will) will be free to react with metals and temperatures
( i.e. corrosion and expansion). The fix is to maintain your aircraft
regularly and I am sure you will do that.

The neat thing about the older spec fluids (DOT 3 and 4) was that moisture
that entered the system was absorbed into the fluid and to a large degree
prevented from acting like water acts. The brake function would degrade slowly
over time and the need for maintenance would become self evident before ever
loosing brake function. A poorly maintained system with DOT 5 can exhibit
clean fluid in the reservoir while water is eating a hole somewhere in the line.
For those of you with plastic and/or stainless lines, that water will have
a tendency to boil and vapor much more readily. Don't just check the fluid
color and level. Flush the system periodically to make sure that moisture
doesn't get an opportunity to surprise you all of a sudden (i.e. catastrophic
brake line failure).

Cheers,

Phil Lankford
N870BM


Re: Dot 5

Peter Harris <peterjfharris@...>
 

Damian my kit brakes must use auto transmission fluid not brake fluid. Braked fluid would spoil the O ring seals in my set.
Peter

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Sent: Saturday, February 26, 2005 7:40 AM
Subject: Re: [Q-LIST] Dot 5


Group, One great advantage of DOT 5 fluid is that it is non corrosive and will not eat paint if you spill some on it (as I inevitably seem to do as well as get fingerprints on stuff).
One warning is that 3-4 and 5 do not mix!Catastrophic results will ensue.
To convert all parts should be(read must)taken apart and seals changed as well as lines purged.
The added benefits of Dot 5 is that you will not suffer corrosion issues [crusty stuff) should the aircraft remain dormant for a long period.
just my 3 cents worth...And does anyone have a stock 0200 starter laying around defunct is fine{actually prefered)?
Regards,
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Re: Fw: Re: Seat belt anchor bolts

Larry Hamm <LDHAMM@...>
 

Paul,
Thanks! I'm working on that just now.
My canopy's a slider, so it's already open in the rear. I think I'll make two belt slots (per seat) in the seatback bulkhead, shoulder width, with a bit of reinforcing between. Other than for comfort, this should vector the impact forces to the anchor bolt in nearly opposite directions, reducing the chance of the anchor pad ripping free.
Always fun!
Larry

Paul Buckley wrote:


You should make two attach points for each seat, the same width as
the belts where they go over your shoulders. In the event of a sudden
stop it will cause the g force acting on your shoulders to be in the
direction of travel, and prevent the straps trying to chop off your
head!


Another worthwhile mod to seat belt safety is to cut away the canopy
bulkhead and make it horseshoe shaped. You would need to do this
anyway, to gain any benefit from the dual shoulder strap attach
points. As per plans, with a full canopy bulkhead, the shoulder
straps will exert a downward load on your shoulders in the event of a
major sudden stop, which could possibly cause a compression fracture
of the spine. The whole idea of these two mods is to ensure that any
g load imposed by rapid deceleration acts squarely on your body. They
are not for cosmetic reasons.

Paul Buckley TriQ-200 Cheshire England


Re: Seat belt anchor bolts

Paul Buckley
 

Hi Sam

Interesting write up, I guess that the dice were on your side that day!
Do you think though, that you gave the belt attach points a real workout? (I asume that they are built as per plans)
Perhaps your speed was not that great at moment of flip over, though the thought of you hanging upside down as the vertical stab. slammed into the ground makes me wince.
As a matter of interest, do you have the full canopy bulkhead or is it cut away as I previously mentioned?

Regards

Paul Buckley

----- Original Message -----
From: Sam Hoskins
To: Q-LIST@...
Sent: Thursday, February 24, 2005 11:42 PM
Subject: RE: [Q-LIST] Seat belt anchor bolts


Early on, I had an accident. You can read all the gory details here:
http://home.mchsi.com/~shoskins/early_years.htm

When it was all over, the aircraft had flipped upside down, I had a broken
tailcone, rear wing, canopy. Prop and cowling.

For what it's worth, the seatbelt attachments held.

Sam



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From: Paul Buckley [mailto:paulbuckley@...]
Sent: Thursday, February 24, 2005 11:25 AM
To: Q-LIST@...
Subject: Re: [Q-LIST] Seat belt anchor bolts



Somewhere in an old Q-talk there is a suggested modification to the seat
belt attach points, utilising the outside skin.
I am a little hazy about it but I think it involved removing a section of
the inner skin and foam and floxing in a 3/8 ply reinforcing plate, then
applying the glass reinforcing patches on the inside. The holes for the
fastening bolts are then drilled all the way through the fus. side,
countersunk on the outside and the appropriate AN4 bolts used. Any
depression left on the fus. skin is filled with flox and a one ply bid patch
applied (if considered neccessary)

Paul Buckley
TriQ-200
Cheshire
England.

----- Original Message -----
From: Larry Hamm
To: Q-LIST@...
Sent: Thursday, February 24, 2005 6:01 AM
Subject: Re: [Q-LIST] Seat belt anchor bolts


Sam,

I, too, wonder about the ability of the glass to hold 9G forces. Maybe
about ten plies of six inch wide UNI, run as far to the rear as possible?

Thanks also to John and Neil, but since your answers don't match, I'll
have to throw them out. No, seriously, it sounds like the AN-4 will do
the job. Since I'm not planning on ever trying it out, I should be fine!

Larry

Sam Kittle wrote:
> Larry,
>
> I have been looking at installing my belt anchors and am really more
> concerned about the 7 layers of BID to the inside skin. I am thinking

> of cutting through the inside skin, removing the clark foam and then
> accomplishing the lay-up to the inside of the outside skin.
>
> It looks to me that the AN4 bolt is stronger than the lay-up to the
> inside skin. But I am not an engineer.
>
> Sam
>
> Larry Hamm wrote:
>
>
>>My van has metric grade 8.8 bolts, 10mm diameter, anchoring the belts
>>(and me). They feel very strong, even when I yank on them REALLY HARD.
>>On the other hand, the Q plans call for AN4 bolts, about 6mm diameter.
>>
>>Do 1/4" bolts really seem sufficient? Then again, since the Q bolts
>>don't have much to hang on to, I guess bigger bolts wouldn't provide any

>>more security, huh?
>>
>>Should I leave out the header tank and install airbags??
>>
>>Larry Hamm
>>"SubyQ"
>>
>>
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>>http://www.quickiebuilders.org
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>
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>
>
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>
>
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>
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Fw: Re: Seat belt anchor bolts

Paul Buckley
 

Not sure if this went out OK so I am sending it again.
Apologies if it did.

----- Original Message -----
From: Paul Buckley
To: Q-LIST@...
Sent: Thursday, February 24, 2005 7:54 PM
Subject: Fw: [Q-LIST] Re: Seat belt anchor bolts

You should make two attach points for each seat, the same width as the belts where they go over your shoulders.
In the event of a sudden stop it will cause the g force acting on your shoulders to be in the direction of travel, and prevent the straps trying to chop off your head!


Another worthwhile mod to seat belt safety is to cut away the canopy bulkhead and make it horseshoe shaped.
You would need to do this anyway, to gain any benefit from the dual shoulder strap attach points.
As per plans, with a full canopy bulkhead, the shoulder straps will exert a downward load on your shoulders in the event of a major sudden stop, which could possibly cause a compression fracture of the spine.
The whole idea of these two mods is to ensure that any g load imposed by rapid deceleration acts squarely on your body.
They are not for cosmetic reasons.

Paul Buckley
TriQ-200
Cheshire
England

----- Original Message -----
From: Larry Hamm
To: Q-LIST@...
Sent: Thursday, February 24, 2005 6:28 PM
Subject: Re: [Q-LIST] Re: Seat belt anchor bolts


OK, Jim, which is it, build per plans or make two wing mount points each
seat? :) (I appreciate the tip!)

I had just noticed the gross disparity in size between the anchor bolts
in my van and in a Q and was wondering. I guess there aren't too many
head on collisions in the air.

Larry
In Utah where the sun shines except when Cali sends it's crud up here.

Jim Patillo wrote:
>
>
> Larry & Sam,
>
> How many people have crashed these things? (Lots) How many people
> have lived? (Lots) How many died because the seatbelt failed?
> (Debatable) How many people built per plans? (Lots) See where I'm
> going with this. Just build it per plans and move on. You need to
> consider making double mount points in the main wing for each set of
> belts. This will eliminate the harness cutting into your neck while
> flying problem.
>
> Jim Patillo In California where the sun never shines anymore
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Re: Mike's web site

HawkiDoug <hawkidoug@...>
 

Thanks for Mike's Web site. Once I got there, I remembered I already had it.

Doug "Hawkeye" Humble
www.asignabove.net
Omaha NE
N25974

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From: "Gordon Givens" <gordongivens@...>
To: <Q-LIST@...>
Sent: Thursday, February 24, 2005 7:48 PM
Subject: Re: [Q-LIST] Mike's web site



Doug,

It is http://www.geocities.com/fly-home/.

Regards,
Gord
----- Original Message -----
From: HawkiDoug
To: Q-LIST@...
Sent: Thursday, February 24, 2005 5:18 PM
Subject: [Q-LIST] Mike's web site


OK I'm curious too. What is Mike Dwyer's web site address.

Doug "Hawkeye" Humble
www.asignabove.net
Omaha NE
N25974
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To: <Q-LIST@...>
Sent: Thursday, February 24, 2005 3:58 PM
Subject: Re: RE: [Fwd: [Q-LIST] Velocity Aircraft]]


>
> Thanks Mike, I did have their number, actually it is 772 589 1860. My
> problem was connecting with them. I tried three times over a 20 minute
> span and kept getting a recorded message from Bell that their phone had
> been disconnected which in fact was not the case. I did try again this
> morning and got through with no problem. The only plausible explanation
I
> have to date is what I outlined in my email to this group this morning.
> While I have this opportunity I would like to thank you for your
website
> on building your Q200. I have visited it a number of times in the past
11
> months since purchasing my kit. How is the Osprey coming along?
> Gord
> Q2 Builder
> Ottawa, Canada
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: Mike Dwyer
> To: Q-LIST@...
> Sent: Thursday, February 24, 2005 3:50 PM
> Subject: [Fwd: RE: [Fwd: [Q-LIST] Velocity Aircraft]]
>
>
>
>
> Their tel # is 772-589-1660 You can also contact Scott on Email at[
> scottswing@...
> <mailto:scottswing@...> ]
>
>
> >
> >
> >Just tried to reach Velocity Aircraft in Sebastian Florida re:
ordering
> parts and was told their number has been disconnected. Can anyone fill
me
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Re: [Fwd: Velocity Aircraft]]

Gordon Givens
 

David,

I thought that it might be hurricane related too but Scott Baker at Velocity told me that they had no trouble receiving calls from all across the U.S. and other International calls on Wednesday and suggested that the problem was probably in my exchange connecting to the 772 area code. Nobody with Bell here can identify with any problem at this end either however, although that seems like the most plausible explanation I have received to date. Thanks for your input nevertheless.

As a relative newcomer on the Quickie aircraft builder scene ( 11 months now, presently making my templates ) I would like to take this opportunity to thank you for your tremendous contributions to those of us less knowledgeable for your excellent articles both in the past and present. Your article on camber and toe-in was one of the first I was directed to by another Q2 builder from the Montreal area, David Cyr, who graciously took me for my first flight last summer in his Q2 which he built I believe in the 90's. I am indeed fortunate to have he and Michel Moreau also from the Montreal area to consult with as I proceed with my building. All I must do now is beat father time to the finish line :-)
Best regards,

Gord Givens
Ottawa, Canada

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Gordon,

BellSouth lost much of their newer switching equipment for the 407 and 772 area codes in the hurricanes last year and are still rebuilding the network in that area. The existing network is older equipment pressed back into service and subject to interesting glitches like the one you experienced.


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Re: Mike's web site

Gordon Givens
 

Doug,

It is http://www.geocities.com/fly-home/.

Regards,
Gord

----- Original Message -----
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To: Q-LIST@...
Sent: Thursday, February 24, 2005 5:18 PM
Subject: [Q-LIST] Mike's web site


OK I'm curious too. What is Mike Dwyer's web site address.

Doug "Hawkeye" Humble
www.asignabove.net
Omaha NE
N25974
----- Original Message -----
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Sent: Thursday, February 24, 2005 3:58 PM
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>
> Thanks Mike, I did have their number, actually it is 772 589 1860. My
> problem was connecting with them. I tried three times over a 20 minute
> span and kept getting a recorded message from Bell that their phone had
> been disconnected which in fact was not the case. I did try again this
> morning and got through with no problem. The only plausible explanation I
> have to date is what I outlined in my email to this group this morning.
> While I have this opportunity I would like to thank you for your website
> on building your Q200. I have visited it a number of times in the past 11
> months since purchasing my kit. How is the Osprey coming along?
> Gord
> Q2 Builder
> Ottawa, Canada
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: Mike Dwyer
> To: Q-LIST@...
> Sent: Thursday, February 24, 2005 3:50 PM
> Subject: [Fwd: RE: [Fwd: [Q-LIST] Velocity Aircraft]]
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Re: Mike's web site

Paul Spackman
 

Doug,

Take a look under links on the QBA website ;0

Paul Spackman

--- In Q-LIST@..., "HawkiDoug" <hawkidoug@c...> wrote:
OK I'm curious too. What is Mike Dwyer's web site address.

Doug "Hawkeye" Humble
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Sent: Thursday, February 24, 2005 3:58 PM
Subject: Re: RE: [Fwd: [Q-LIST] Velocity Aircraft]]



Thanks Mike, I did have their number, actually it is 772 589
1860. My
problem was connecting with them. I tried three times over a 20
minute
span and kept getting a recorded message from Bell that their
phone had
been disconnected which in fact was not the case. I did try again
this
morning and got through with no problem. The only plausible
explanation I
have to date is what I outlined in my email to this group this
morning.
While I have this opportunity I would like to thank you for your
website
on building your Q200. I have visited it a number of times in the
past 11
months since purchasing my kit. How is the Osprey coming along?
Gord
Q2 Builder
Ottawa, Canada

----- Original Message -----
From: Mike Dwyer
To: Q-LIST@...
Sent: Thursday, February 24, 2005 3:50 PM
Subject: [Fwd: RE: [Fwd: [Q-LIST] Velocity Aircraft]]




Their tel # is 772-589-1660 You can also contact Scott on
Email at[
scottswing@v...
<mailto:scottswing@v...> ]


>
>
>Just tried to reach Velocity Aircraft in Sebastian Florida re:
ordering
parts and was told their number has been disconnected. Can anyone
fill me
in on what has happened there. Thanks.
>
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Re: Seat belt anchor bolts

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Early on, I had an accident. You can read all the gory details here:
http://home.mchsi.com/~shoskins/early_years.htm

When it was all over, the aircraft had flipped upside down, I had a broken
tailcone, rear wing, canopy. Prop and cowling.

For what it's worth, the seatbelt attachments held.

Sam



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From: Paul Buckley [mailto:paulbuckley@...]
Sent: Thursday, February 24, 2005 11:25 AM
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Subject: Re: [Q-LIST] Seat belt anchor bolts



Somewhere in an old Q-talk there is a suggested modification to the seat
belt attach points, utilising the outside skin.
I am a little hazy about it but I think it involved removing a section of
the inner skin and foam and floxing in a 3/8 ply reinforcing plate, then
applying the glass reinforcing patches on the inside. The holes for the
fastening bolts are then drilled all the way through the fus. side,
countersunk on the outside and the appropriate AN4 bolts used. Any
depression left on the fus. skin is filled with flox and a one ply bid patch
applied (if considered neccessary)

Paul Buckley
TriQ-200
Cheshire
England.

----- Original Message -----
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To: Q-LIST@...
Sent: Thursday, February 24, 2005 6:01 AM
Subject: Re: [Q-LIST] Seat belt anchor bolts


Sam,

I, too, wonder about the ability of the glass to hold 9G forces. Maybe
about ten plies of six inch wide UNI, run as far to the rear as possible?

Thanks also to John and Neil, but since your answers don't match, I'll
have to throw them out. No, seriously, it sounds like the AN-4 will do
the job. Since I'm not planning on ever trying it out, I should be fine!

Larry

Sam Kittle wrote:
> Larry,
>
> I have been looking at installing my belt anchors and am really more
> concerned about the 7 layers of BID to the inside skin. I am thinking

> of cutting through the inside skin, removing the clark foam and then
> accomplishing the lay-up to the inside of the outside skin.
>
> It looks to me that the AN4 bolt is stronger than the lay-up to the
> inside skin. But I am not an engineer.
>
> Sam
>
> Larry Hamm wrote:
>
>
>>My van has metric grade 8.8 bolts, 10mm diameter, anchoring the belts
>>(and me). They feel very strong, even when I yank on them REALLY HARD.
>>On the other hand, the Q plans call for AN4 bolts, about 6mm diameter.
>>
>>Do 1/4" bolts really seem sufficient? Then again, since the Q bolts
>>don't have much to hang on to, I guess bigger bolts wouldn't provide any

>>more security, huh?
>>
>>Should I leave out the header tank and install airbags??
>>
>>Larry Hamm
>>"SubyQ"
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Re: E-Bay Q

Larry Hamm <LDHAMM@...>
 

Bob,
Airheart offers both types of seals now (DOT 5 or Mil-H-5606). I'm trying to determine which would be compatible with the Mil-H-83282 synthetic fluid mentioned in an earlier post today. It looks like good stuff, and since I'm working on brakes now, I may as well use it.

Thanks again for mentioning that brake master cylinders on Quickies should be the non-reservoir type. I had some Matco MC-5's I was going to use, but hadn't thought about trying to add fluid later. Now I've got the MC-4's and a remote reservoir.
Larry Hamm
Park City, UT
"SubyQ"

Bob Farnam wrote:

Beware of Dot 5 if you are using the Airheart brakes. It is compatible with
Cleveland or Matco brake systems, but not Airheart (unless they have changed
their seal compounds in the caliper). I tried Dot 5 early in the game (1998)
and had massive leaks develop in the calipers. A switch to aviation red
fixed the problem and I've had no more leaks. I use Matco master cylinders
and Airheart calipers.
Bob F.
N200QK


Re: Seat belt anchor bolts

Larry Hamm <LDHAMM@...>
 

Jim,
I know what you're saying, and I'd love to build per plans, but there's that Jim-Bob sixpack, and draggy wheelpants, and limited tankage, and engines that don't suit me, and whatever else needs changing after twenty-five years! :)
I think I can use the single wing anchor bolt on each side, and route the shoulder harnesses through two slots instead of one. That should help.

Jim Patillo wrote:

Larry,
Build per plans. The dual mount on the shoulder straps are a confort thing but I've flown both types and don't like getting my neck cut by harnesses. Besides its unconfortable. IMHO.
Regards Jim P.


Re: [Fwd: Velocity Aircraft]]

David J. Gall
 

Gordon,

BellSouth lost much of their newer switching equipment for the 407 and 772 area codes in the hurricanes last year and are still rebuilding the network in that area. The existing network is older equipment pressed back into service and subject to interesting glitches like the one you experienced.


David J. Gall

----- Original Message -----
From: "Gordon Givens" <gordongivens@...>
To: Q-LIST@...
Subject: Re: RE: [Fwd: [Q-LIST] Velocity Aircraft]]
Date: Thu, 24 Feb 2005 16:58:29 -0500



Thanks Mike, I did have their number, actually it is 772 589 1860. My problem
was connecting with them. I tried three times over a 20 minute span and kept
getting a recorded message from Bell that their phone had been disconnected
which in fact was not the case. I did try again this morning and got through
with no problem. The only plausible explanation I have to date is what I
outlined in my email to this group this morning. While I have this opportunity
I would like to thank you for your website on building your Q200. I have
visited it a number of times in the past 11 months since purchasing my kit.
How is the Osprey coming along?
Gord
Q2 Builder
Ottawa, Canada

----- Original Message -----
From: Mike Dwyer
To: Q-LIST@...
Sent: Thursday, February 24, 2005 3:50 PM
Subject: [Fwd: RE: [Fwd: [Q-LIST] Velocity Aircraft]]




Their tel # is 772-589-1660 You can also contact Scott on Email at[
scottswing@... <mailto:scottswing@...> ]


>
>
>Just tried to reach Velocity Aircraft in Sebastian Florida re: ordering
parts and was told their number has been disconnected. Can anyone fill me in
on what has happened there. Thanks.
>
>Gord
>Q2 builder
>Ottawa Canada


Mike's web site

HawkiDoug <hawkidoug@...>
 

OK I'm curious too. What is Mike Dwyer's web site address.

Doug "Hawkeye" Humble
www.asignabove.net
Omaha NE
N25974

----- Original Message -----
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To: <Q-LIST@...>
Sent: Thursday, February 24, 2005 3:58 PM
Subject: Re: RE: [Fwd: [Q-LIST] Velocity Aircraft]]



Thanks Mike, I did have their number, actually it is 772 589 1860. My problem was connecting with them. I tried three times over a 20 minute span and kept getting a recorded message from Bell that their phone had been disconnected which in fact was not the case. I did try again this morning and got through with no problem. The only plausible explanation I have to date is what I outlined in my email to this group this morning. While I have this opportunity I would like to thank you for your website on building your Q200. I have visited it a number of times in the past 11 months since purchasing my kit. How is the Osprey coming along?
Gord
Q2 Builder
Ottawa, Canada

----- Original Message -----
From: Mike Dwyer
To: Q-LIST@...
Sent: Thursday, February 24, 2005 3:50 PM
Subject: [Fwd: RE: [Fwd: [Q-LIST] Velocity Aircraft]]




Their tel # is 772-589-1660 You can also contact Scott on Email at[
scottswing@... <mailto:scottswing@...> ]


>
>
>Just tried to reach Velocity Aircraft in Sebastian Florida re: ordering
parts and was told their number has been disconnected. Can anyone fill me in on what has happened there. Thanks.
>
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>Q2 builder
>Ottawa Canada
>
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Re: [Fwd: Velocity Aircraft]]

Gordon Givens
 

Thanks Mike, I did have their number, actually it is 772 589 1860. My problem was connecting with them. I tried three times over a 20 minute span and kept getting a recorded message from Bell that their phone had been disconnected which in fact was not the case. I did try again this morning and got through with no problem. The only plausible explanation I have to date is what I outlined in my email to this group this morning. While I have this opportunity I would like to thank you for your website on building your Q200. I have visited it a number of times in the past 11 months since purchasing my kit. How is the Osprey coming along?
Gord
Q2 Builder
Ottawa, Canada

----- Original Message -----
From: Mike Dwyer
To: Q-LIST@...
Sent: Thursday, February 24, 2005 3:50 PM
Subject: [Fwd: RE: [Fwd: [Q-LIST] Velocity Aircraft]]




Their tel # is 772-589-1660 You can also contact Scott on Email at[
scottswing@... <mailto:scottswing@...> ]


>
>
>Just tried to reach Velocity Aircraft in Sebastian Florida re: ordering parts and was told their number has been disconnected. Can anyone fill me in on what has happened there. Thanks.
>
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