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Re: Thrust Line & Belly board

Allan <afarr@...>
 

As the aircraft slows down (for landing), and you use more back pressure to hold
the nose up, the elevators are in effect acting as flaps.

-----Original Message-----
From: Needy, William M [mailto:williammneedy@...]
Sent: Tuesday, March 08, 2005 7:24 AM
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Subject: RE: [Q-LIST] Re: Thrust Line & Belly board



That is what I thought I was picking up too. So... that means that there sort of
are "flaps" on a Q?
What effect on speed? From the numbers I have heard, I am wondering if it is
much.
Bill

-----Original Message-----
From: Craig P. Steffen [mailto:craig@...]
Sent: Monday, March 07, 2005 12:55 PM
To: Q-LIST@...
Subject: Re: [Q-LIST] Re: Thrust Line & Belly board


On Mon, Mar 07, 2005 at 11:26:37AM -0500, Needy, William M wrote:

I am sure this is a dumb rookie question, but what does a belly board do?
I am a rookie also, so someone please correct me if I'm wrong:

I believe the belly board acts basically like flaps in a conventional
airplane. It increases drag and lift. With it deployed, you can
decend at a higher rate without overspeeding (due to the BB bleeding
off energy) and land at a slower speed.

Craig Steffen


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Joseph Snow <1flashq@...>
 

The belly board does not add lift; drag only. It enables better visability over the nose during the landing approach without acceleration and a shorter landing distance. One builder created a bellyboard where two of the three extended items may function as flaps. I believe these were shown in a recent Q-Talk issue. If you subscribe to Q-Talk, you can get a copy.

Thanks to Jim for providing his layup schedule.

Joseph
Re: X wind landings in a Q diff toe or hand brakes

Needy, William M <williammneedy@...>
 

Nope. Not with the electronic subscription. And... I get the mag in .pdf so the snail mail man no longer gets to tear them to shreds.

-----Original Message-----
From: Patrick Panzera [mailto:panzera@...]
Sent: Monday, March 07, 2005 1:57 PM
To: Q-LIST@...
Subject: RE: [Q-LIST] X wind landings in a Q diff toe or hand brakes


And... as 108 is a back issue... I have to buy it to answer the question.
Quite the marketer there Doug. :)
Why are back issues not posted on the website? They are on the Kitplanes
website...
Don't Kitplanes charge $7.50 pay per view?



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Re: X wind landings in a Q diff toe or hand brakes

Patrick Panzera <panzera@...>
 

And... as 108 is a back issue... I have to buy it to answer the question.
Quite the marketer there Doug. :)
Why are back issues not posted on the website? They are on the Kitplanes
website...
Don't Kitplanes charge $7.50 pay per view?
Re: X wind landings in a Q diff toe or hand brakes

Needy, William M <williammneedy@...>
 

And... as 108 is a back issue... I have to buy it to answer the question. Quite the marketer there Doug. :)
Why are back issues not posted on the website? They are on the Kitplanes website...

-----Original Message-----
From: HawkiDoug [mailto:hawkidoug@...]
Sent: Monday, March 07, 2005 1:44 PM
To: Q-LIST@...
Subject: Re: [Q-LIST] X wind landings in a Q diff toe or hand brakes


I have finger brakes in the center console because I have dual sticks. Some
have them outboard. Toe brakes are more traditional, but I believe you get
use to what you have. I knew where they were when I needed them.

Someone asked about the six-pack. It is 6 modifications to the standard
plans Q2/200 which many, including me, believe are necessary to make ground
handling better. Also referred to as the Jim-Bob Six pack. Issue 108
Q-Talk has a fabulous write up about the six pack.

Doug "Hawkeye" Humble
www.asignabove.net
Omaha NE
N25974
----- Original Message -----
From: <damiantwinsport@...>
To: <Q-LIST@...>
Sent: Monday, March 07, 2005 12:03 PM
Subject: Re: [Q-LIST] X wind landings in a Q diff toe or hand brakes



Doug, sounds pretty hairball glad youare around to talk about it and don't
have damage to repair.
? your differential brakes are they toe brakes or hand controls. i am used
to toe brakes so I have concerns about hand setup.
Regards,
Damian Gregory N8427 Q 200 (on the mend)



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Re: Thrust Line & Belly board

HawkiDoug <hawkidoug@...>
 

The belly board is for drag to slow the plane down. As in this design is very clean and doesn't slow down easily. I'm no engineer, but I don't think it increases lift.

Doug "Hawkeye" Humble
www.asignabove.net
Omaha NE
N25974

----- Original Message -----
From: "Craig P. Steffen" <craig@...>
To: <Q-LIST@...>
Sent: Monday, March 07, 2005 11:55 AM
Subject: Re: [Q-LIST] Re: Thrust Line & Belly board



On Mon, Mar 07, 2005 at 11:26:37AM -0500, Needy, William M wrote:

I am sure this is a dumb rookie question, but what does a belly board do?
I am a rookie also, so someone please correct me if I'm wrong:

I believe the belly board acts basically like flaps in a conventional
airplane. It increases drag and lift. With it deployed, you can
decend at a higher rate without overspeeding (due to the BB bleeding
off energy) and land at a slower speed.

Craig Steffen


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Re: X wind landings in a Q diff toe or hand brakes

HawkiDoug <hawkidoug@...>
 

I have finger brakes in the center console because I have dual sticks. Some have them outboard. Toe brakes are more traditional, but I believe you get use to what you have. I knew where they were when I needed them.

Someone asked about the six-pack. It is 6 modifications to the standard plans Q2/200 which many, including me, believe are necessary to make ground handling better. Also referred to as the Jim-Bob Six pack. Issue 108 Q-Talk has a fabulous write up about the six pack.

Doug "Hawkeye" Humble
www.asignabove.net
Omaha NE
N25974

----- Original Message -----
From: <damiantwinsport@...>
To: <Q-LIST@...>
Sent: Monday, March 07, 2005 12:03 PM
Subject: Re: [Q-LIST] X wind landings in a Q diff toe or hand brakes



Doug, sounds pretty hairball glad youare around to talk about it and don't have damage to repair.
? your differential brakes are they toe brakes or hand controls. i am used to toe brakes so I have concerns about hand setup.
Regards,
Damian Gregory N8427 Q 200 (on the mend)



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Re: Thrust Line & Belly board

Needy, William M <williammneedy@...>
 

That is what I thought I was picking up too. So... that means that there sort of are "flaps" on a Q?
What effect on speed? From the numbers I have heard, I am wondering if it is much.
Bill

-----Original Message-----
From: Craig P. Steffen [mailto:craig@...]
Sent: Monday, March 07, 2005 12:55 PM
To: Q-LIST@...
Subject: Re: [Q-LIST] Re: Thrust Line & Belly board


On Mon, Mar 07, 2005 at 11:26:37AM -0500, Needy, William M wrote:

I am sure this is a dumb rookie question, but what does a belly board do?
I am a rookie also, so someone please correct me if I'm wrong:

I believe the belly board acts basically like flaps in a conventional
airplane. It increases drag and lift. With it deployed, you can
decend at a higher rate without overspeeding (due to the BB bleeding
off energy) and land at a slower speed.

Craig Steffen


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Re: X wind landings in a Q diff toe or hand brakes

damiantwinsport@...
 

Doug, sounds pretty hairball glad youare around to talk about it and don't have damage to repair.
? your differential brakes are they toe brakes or hand controls. i am used to toe brakes so I have concerns about hand setup.
Regards,
Damian Gregory N8427 Q 200 (on the mend)
Re: X wind landings in a Q diff toe or hand brakes

JMasal@...
 

In a message dated 3/7/05 3:30:18 PM Central Standard Time,
williammneedy@... writes:


Guys, these newsletters are the property of the group.
Not any one individual.
Unless of course this is actually a for profit business.
Billy boy, you sound like a well versed legal scholar. Why don't you get
yourself a lawyer and let's test this in court. I have a couple lawyers in my
family so I won't be out much.

j.
Re: Thrust Line & Belly board

Craig P. Steffen <craig@...>
 

On Mon, Mar 07, 2005 at 11:26:37AM -0500, Needy, William M wrote:

I am sure this is a dumb rookie question, but what does a belly board do?
I am a rookie also, so someone please correct me if I'm wrong:

I believe the belly board acts basically like flaps in a conventional
airplane. It increases drag and lift. With it deployed, you can
decend at a higher rate without overspeeding (due to the BB bleeding
off energy) and land at a slower speed.

Craig Steffen


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Re: X wind landings in a Q

Needy, William M <williammneedy@...>
 

What is the six-pack?

-----Original Message-----
From: HawkiDoug [mailto:hawkidoug@...]
Sent: Monday, March 07, 2005 12:41 PM
To: Q-LIST@...
Subject: Re: [Q-LIST] Re: X wind landings in a Q


Like I said. I don't want to start with the rudder thing because mine came
this way and my point is I'm glad I had differential brakes which I believe
is part of "setting them up properly". I don't consider my bird squirrelly
either and it doesn't have some of the six pack mods which I do advocate. My
experience level has a lot to do with the situation also, as I have never
been involved in crosswinds of this nature in any airplane. My runway
options yesterday were limited because the more favorable runway was down
for maintenance. It would have cut an 80 degree crosswind to a 40 degree
cross wind similar to the situation you described Jim, and I might not have
written my 1st email in the first place. I only wrote it because the point
is the airplane & I made a successful landing and it DID handle the
crosswind.

Do we need to make the 6 pack a 7 pack? Because I haven't read which is the
best way to hold my mouth to help my landings. :) Maybe when I come to
Livermore in August I can get a photo of you and I with the proper mouth
alignment to put in the newsletter.

Doug "Hawkeye" Humble
www.asignabove.net
Omaha NE
N25974
----- Original Message -----
From: "Jim Patillo" <logistics_engineering@...>
To: <Q-LIST@...>
Sent: Monday, March 07, 2005 10:21 AM
Subject: [Q-LIST] Re: X wind landings in a Q





Doug,

When Brad and I returned from Oshkosh last year we landed at
Wendover, UT. The runway was 120 degrees and the wind was blowing 170-
180 degrees at 38 gusting to 42. No problems (standard rudder). You
must have been holding your mouth the wrong way. These planes land
fine in a cross wind so long as they are set up properly and weren't
already squirly.

It was a bealtiful day over the Sierra's yesterday. Lots of snow!

Regards,

Jim Patillo N46JP Q200 565 hrs.

--- In Q-LIST@..., "HawkiDoug" <hawkidoug@c...> wrote:
Thankfully I had 150' wide by 7000' long runway. I used it all.
The female
controller came on after I was down and said "That wasn't fun was
it? Now I
remember why I don't fly."

I'm impressed with how tough this little bird is. I attempted 3
landings and
all were very hard. I increased throttle with each bounce to
stabilize
things for the next attempt. The 3rd "hit" I just stayed with her
and it all
came out ok. I have tried to go over everything in my mind to see
what I
would do differently, but I can't clarify anything, so I either did
everything possible to begin with or was just lucky, or both.

While the crosswind was a b*%ch, the gusting was the big issue. I
kept power
in to the last moment and when I cut the throttle the gusts would
get me. Oh
yeah, I'm glad I had differential brakes! I don't want to start the
whole
"bigger rudder" issue again, but My big rudder wasn't enough
yesterday (yes
I have a non standard rudder). Differential brakes saved my bacon.
I did
inspect the aircraft when I got back to the hanger and saw no
damage. I did
see paint from my tail wheel bracket on the tail wheel on the side
where you
would expect it. You can imagine the forces involved.


Doug "Hawkeye" Humble
www.asignabove.net
Omaha NE
N25974






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Re: X wind landings in a Q

HawkiDoug <hawkidoug@...>
 

Like I said. I don't want to start with the rudder thing because mine came this way and my point is I'm glad I had differential brakes which I believe is part of "setting them up properly". I don't consider my bird squirrelly either and it doesn't have some of the six pack mods which I do advocate. My experience level has a lot to do with the situation also, as I have never been involved in crosswinds of this nature in any airplane. My runway options yesterday were limited because the more favorable runway was down for maintenance. It would have cut an 80 degree crosswind to a 40 degree cross wind similar to the situation you described Jim, and I might not have written my 1st email in the first place. I only wrote it because the point is the airplane & I made a successful landing and it DID handle the crosswind.

Do we need to make the 6 pack a 7 pack? Because I haven't read which is the best way to hold my mouth to help my landings. :) Maybe when I come to Livermore in August I can get a photo of you and I with the proper mouth alignment to put in the newsletter.

Doug "Hawkeye" Humble
www.asignabove.net
Omaha NE
N25974

----- Original Message -----
From: "Jim Patillo" <logistics_engineering@...>
To: <Q-LIST@...>
Sent: Monday, March 07, 2005 10:21 AM
Subject: [Q-LIST] Re: X wind landings in a Q





Doug,

When Brad and I returned from Oshkosh last year we landed at
Wendover, UT. The runway was 120 degrees and the wind was blowing 170-
180 degrees at 38 gusting to 42. No problems (standard rudder). You
must have been holding your mouth the wrong way. These planes land
fine in a cross wind so long as they are set up properly and weren't
already squirly.

It was a bealtiful day over the Sierra's yesterday. Lots of snow!

Regards,

Jim Patillo N46JP Q200 565 hrs.

--- In Q-LIST@..., "HawkiDoug" <hawkidoug@c...> wrote:
Thankfully I had 150' wide by 7000' long runway. I used it all.
The female
controller came on after I was down and said "That wasn't fun was
it? Now I
remember why I don't fly."

I'm impressed with how tough this little bird is. I attempted 3
landings and
all were very hard. I increased throttle with each bounce to
stabilize
things for the next attempt. The 3rd "hit" I just stayed with her
and it all
came out ok. I have tried to go over everything in my mind to see
what I
would do differently, but I can't clarify anything, so I either did
everything possible to begin with or was just lucky, or both.

While the crosswind was a b*%ch, the gusting was the big issue. I
kept power
in to the last moment and when I cut the throttle the gusts would
get me. Oh
yeah, I'm glad I had differential brakes! I don't want to start the
whole
"bigger rudder" issue again, but My big rudder wasn't enough
yesterday (yes
I have a non standard rudder). Differential brakes saved my bacon.
I did
inspect the aircraft when I got back to the hanger and saw no
damage. I did
see paint from my tail wheel bracket on the tail wheel on the side
where you
would expect it. You can imagine the forces involved.


Doug "Hawkeye" Humble
www.asignabove.net
Omaha NE
N25974






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Re: Thrust Line & Belly board

Needy, William M <williammneedy@...>
 

I am sure this is a dumb rookie question, but what does a belly board do?

-----Original Message-----
From: Jim Patillo [mailto:logistics_engineering@...]
Sent: Monday, March 07, 2005 11:12 AM
To: Q-LIST@...
Subject: [Q-LIST] Re: Thrust Line & Belly board





Mike,

You are correct. Not much detail except the layup was from several
plys of fiberglas BID laid on so the each bid was at 45 degrees to
the next one. The whole layup is about 1/8" thick and has worked fine
for years, even yesterday!

Jim P.

--- In Q-LIST@..., Mike Perry <dmperry1012@c...> wrote:
Jim:

To me "several plys of bid" implies fiberglass. if so, can you
give
details? Perhaps you and Bob Farnum could be persuaded to do an
article? ( I believe several people made belly boards from scratch
after
QAC went . . . no, even I won't put belly boards and belly-up in
the same
sentence. Except I guess I just did. Senility is such a great
excuse.)

Mike Perry


At 03:49 AM 3/3/2005 +0000, you wrote:


Joseph,

I made my belly board from several plys of bid to about 1/8"
thickness. At 550 hours of usage it shows no sign of fatigue. I
deploy it for every landing. Board is about 10" x 10".

Jim Patillo






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Re: X wind landings in a Q

Jim Patillo
 

Doug,

When Brad and I returned from Oshkosh last year we landed at
Wendover, UT. The runway was 120 degrees and the wind was blowing 170-
180 degrees at 38 gusting to 42. No problems (standard rudder). You
must have been holding your mouth the wrong way. These planes land
fine in a cross wind so long as they are set up properly and weren't
already squirly.

It was a bealtiful day over the Sierra's yesterday. Lots of snow!

Regards,

Jim Patillo N46JP Q200 565 hrs.

--- In Q-LIST@..., "HawkiDoug" <hawkidoug@c...> wrote:
Thankfully I had 150' wide by 7000' long runway. I used it all.
The female
controller came on after I was down and said "That wasn't fun was
it? Now I
remember why I don't fly."

I'm impressed with how tough this little bird is. I attempted 3
landings and
all were very hard. I increased throttle with each bounce to
stabilize
things for the next attempt. The 3rd "hit" I just stayed with her
and it all
came out ok. I have tried to go over everything in my mind to see
what I
would do differently, but I can't clarify anything, so I either did
everything possible to begin with or was just lucky, or both.

While the crosswind was a b*%ch, the gusting was the big issue. I
kept power
in to the last moment and when I cut the throttle the gusts would
get me. Oh
yeah, I'm glad I had differential brakes! I don't want to start the
whole
"bigger rudder" issue again, but My big rudder wasn't enough
yesterday (yes
I have a non standard rudder). Differential brakes saved my bacon.
I did
inspect the aircraft when I got back to the hanger and saw no
damage. I did
see paint from my tail wheel bracket on the tail wheel on the side
where you
would expect it. You can imagine the forces involved.


Doug "Hawkeye" Humble
www.asignabove.net
Omaha NE
N25974
Re: Thrust Line & Belly board

Jim Patillo
 

Mike,

You are correct. Not much detail except the layup was from several
plys of fiberglas BID laid on so the each bid was at 45 degrees to
the next one. The whole layup is about 1/8" thick and has worked fine
for years, even yesterday!

Jim P.

--- In Q-LIST@..., Mike Perry <dmperry1012@c...> wrote:
Jim:

To me "several plys of bid" implies fiberglass. if so, can you
give
details? Perhaps you and Bob Farnum could be persuaded to do an
article? ( I believe several people made belly boards from scratch
after
QAC went . . . no, even I won't put belly boards and belly-up in
the same
sentence. Except I guess I just did. Senility is such a great
excuse.)

Mike Perry


At 03:49 AM 3/3/2005 +0000, you wrote:


Joseph,

I made my belly board from several plys of bid to about 1/8"
thickness. At 550 hours of usage it shows no sign of fatigue. I
deploy it for every landing. Board is about 10" x 10".

Jim Patillo
Re: flaps on a Q2

Needy, William M <williammneedy@...>
 

Thanks Doug. I watched these airplanes (Q1 and Q2) back when they first came out to around the time when QAC died. I always thought they were a beautiful, and a wonderful idea with the main attraction that the plane would not stall and... with the gear that far out it was nearly impossible to ground loop (fool proof). Ditching the brake handle and adding commonly available differential braking plus some kind of reliable engine with enough power to actually climb (I had a deposit on a 70hp Kawasaki 440 for 3 years that never materialized) and it seemed like it would be really superb alternative to a production airplane. I honestly do not believe I ever heard anything until now that they are not for the inexperienced, are not forgiving, and are a handful to take off and land. I am sure that this is all a matter of an individuals particular skills, as the crosswind conditions I mentioned earlier were never any problem in Kansas... in a 172. I have not given up on the idea, but am definitely awake from the dream I was in....

I really appreciate the information you guys have provided since I joined this club.
Bill

-----Original Message-----
From: HawkiDoug [mailto:hawkidoug@...]
Sent: Monday, March 07, 2005 10:37 AM
To: Q-LIST@...
Subject: Re: [Q-LIST] flaps on a Q2


Those of us who fly these airplanes have been trying to repair a bad
reputation for some time now. They are a tail dragger that lands fast. Get
time in a tail dragger, respect the airplane, talk to those who fly them and
you should do fine.

If you don't make the VW do more than it's design limits, it is reliable.
Get it though your head right now that it won't go faster that an O-200,
period. If you're talking about a vw in a Q1, I doubt you have to stress the
engine anyway to get more than advertised Q1 performance.

This is just my opinion.

Doug "Hawkeye" Humble
www.asignabove.net
Omaha NE
N25974
----- Original Message -----
From: "Needy, William M" <williammneedy@...>
To: <Q-LIST@...>
Sent: Monday, March 07, 2005 8:10 AM
Subject: RE: [Q-LIST] flaps on a Q2



I am looking for a kit or a finished plane. Always liked the Q's but was
hoping someone found a way to incorporate flaps or flaperons or something
to slow it down on landing. I always thought they were supposed to be a
fool proof plane. Now I find they seem to be a bit unnecessarily hot and
squirrelly on landing and take off... I had no idea until I recently began
researching it...

A full VW in a Q1? Wow. I bet that had a great climb rate compared to the
Onan! Are VW's very reliable in airplanes these days? Where I live
(western PA), there is no room for engine failures as there is no where to
land and very few airports... Don't need that on top of the other
challenges...


-----Original Message-----
From: David Gall [mailto:David@...]
Sent: Friday, March 04, 2005 6:31 PM
To: Q-LIST@...
Subject: RE: [Q-LIST] flaps on a Q2


Bill,

One can't add flaps to a Q2, the Q2 already has flaps. They're on the
front wing. We just call 'em the "elevator" and use them more frequently
than regular airplanes use theirs. That, and we call the flap handle the
"control stick." Silly, isn't it.

A SuperQuickie is a Quickie (Q1) with modifications including a more
powerful engine, usually a Rotax 447 or 503. There's a .pdf file in the
files area that documents the whole thing as done by Jinx Hawks and Brock
McCaman in the late 1980's. Look for "superq.pdf" at the bottom of the
list. While you're there, read all the other good stuff in the files area,
and try browsing/searching the archives for other neat information.

Tom Solan had a half-VW then upgraded to a full VW, IIRC. Jon Finley also
had a full VW in his Q1.


David J. Gall

----- Original Message -----
From: "Needy, William M" <williammneedy@...>
To: Q-LIST@...
Subject: RE: [Q-LIST] flaps on a Q2
Date: Fri, 4 Mar 2005 16:08:27 -0500



Has anyone ever added flaps to a Q2?

What is a SuperQuickie?
Any idea what engine Tom Solan has in his Q1?

Thanks!
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Pittsburgh, PA

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Re: flaps on a Q2

HawkiDoug <hawkidoug@...>
 

Those of us who fly these airplanes have been trying to repair a bad reputation for some time now. They are a tail dragger that lands fast. Get time in a tail dragger, respect the airplane, talk to those who fly them and you should do fine.

If you don't make the VW do more than it's design limits, it is reliable. Get it though your head right now that it won't go faster that an O-200, period. If you're talking about a vw in a Q1, I doubt you have to stress the engine anyway to get more than advertised Q1 performance.

This is just my opinion.

Doug "Hawkeye" Humble
www.asignabove.net
Omaha NE
N25974

----- Original Message -----
From: "Needy, William M" <williammneedy@...>
To: <Q-LIST@...>
Sent: Monday, March 07, 2005 8:10 AM
Subject: RE: [Q-LIST] flaps on a Q2



I am looking for a kit or a finished plane. Always liked the Q's but was hoping someone found a way to incorporate flaps or flaperons or something to slow it down on landing. I always thought they were supposed to be a fool proof plane. Now I find they seem to be a bit unnecessarily hot and squirrelly on landing and take off... I had no idea until I recently began researching it...

A full VW in a Q1? Wow. I bet that had a great climb rate compared to the Onan! Are VW's very reliable in airplanes these days? Where I live (western PA), there is no room for engine failures as there is no where to land and very few airports... Don't need that on top of the other challenges...


-----Original Message-----
From: David Gall [mailto:David@...]
Sent: Friday, March 04, 2005 6:31 PM
To: Q-LIST@...
Subject: RE: [Q-LIST] flaps on a Q2


Bill,

One can't add flaps to a Q2, the Q2 already has flaps. They're on the front wing. We just call 'em the "elevator" and use them more frequently than regular airplanes use theirs. That, and we call the flap handle the "control stick." Silly, isn't it.

A SuperQuickie is a Quickie (Q1) with modifications including a more powerful engine, usually a Rotax 447 or 503. There's a .pdf file in the files area that documents the whole thing as done by Jinx Hawks and Brock McCaman in the late 1980's. Look for "superq.pdf" at the bottom of the list. While you're there, read all the other good stuff in the files area, and try browsing/searching the archives for other neat information.

Tom Solan had a half-VW then upgraded to a full VW, IIRC. Jon Finley also had a full VW in his Q1.


David J. Gall

----- Original Message -----
From: "Needy, William M" <williammneedy@...>
To: Q-LIST@...
Subject: RE: [Q-LIST] flaps on a Q2
Date: Fri, 4 Mar 2005 16:08:27 -0500



Has anyone ever added flaps to a Q2?

What is a SuperQuickie?
Any idea what engine Tom Solan has in his Q1?

Thanks!
Bill Needy
Pittsburgh, PA

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http://www.quickiebuilders.org





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Re: Tandem Wing Spring Fling

HawkiDoug <hawkidoug@...>
 

It all started out me wanting to BUY lunch and ended up me COOKING lunch. I have to work on my sales skills some I think.

Doug "Hawkeye" Humble
www.asignabove.net
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Sent: Sunday, March 06, 2005 6:51 PM
Subject: [Q-LIST] Tandem Wing Spring Fling



As long as you guys are making plans, take a gander here:
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Re: X wind landings in a Q

HawkiDoug <hawkidoug@...>
 

Thankfully I had 150' wide by 7000' long runway. I used it all. The female controller came on after I was down and said "That wasn't fun was it? Now I remember why I don't fly."

I'm impressed with how tough this little bird is. I attempted 3 landings and all were very hard. I increased throttle with each bounce to stabilize things for the next attempt. The 3rd "hit" I just stayed with her and it all came out ok. I have tried to go over everything in my mind to see what I would do differently, but I can't clarify anything, so I either did everything possible to begin with or was just lucky, or both.

While the crosswind was a b*%ch, the gusting was the big issue. I kept power in to the last moment and when I cut the throttle the gusts would get me. Oh yeah, I'm glad I had differential brakes! I don't want to start the whole "bigger rudder" issue again, but My big rudder wasn't enough yesterday (yes I have a non standard rudder). Differential brakes saved my bacon. I did inspect the aircraft when I got back to the hanger and saw no damage. I did see paint from my tail wheel bracket on the tail wheel on the side where you would expect it. You can imagine the forces involved.


Doug "Hawkeye" Humble
www.asignabove.net
Omaha NE
N25974

----- Original Message -----
From: "Needy, William M" <williammneedy@...>
To: <Q-LIST@...>
Sent: Monday, March 07, 2005 8:02 AM
Subject: RE: [Q-LIST] X wind landings in a Q



Wow. I have done 40 knots and 40-45 degrees a few times... but in a 172.

-----Original Message-----
From: HawkiDoug [mailto:hawkidoug@...]
Sent: Sunday, March 06, 2005 3:09 PM
To: Q-List
Subject: [Q-LIST] X wind landings in a Q


Went flying today and I just want to let everyone know that it is possible to land a Q in a 22 knot (gusting to 30), 80 degree crosswind. When my heart rate gets back to normal, I'll tell you about it. :)

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