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Mountain States Tandem Wing Fly-in

Patrick Panzera <panzera@...>
 

I plan on arriving Fri afternoon weather providing.
If I can pick up Jay Reed in St. George we will be coming in as a flight of
two.
For those flying in, let the tower know that you are with the Mountain States
Fly-In and would like to park at the south end, designated for our use. Then
call the FBO, 122.85, and ask them to pick you up. They'll give you a ride back
to the FBO.

There was no way to get a hangar, everything "down the hill" is now defunct and
there's precious little up top for us to use, so I rented a tent. Find the tent
and that's where everyone should be.

Driving in, check in with the FBO and let them know you are with us. You should
be able to park down at the south end.

Pat


Re: Laughlin next week!

Jim Patillo
 

This is indeed good news and what we need for Laughlin! I was
gettin' kinda worried I was going to be the only one from LVK. Bob,
Alan and Geoff welcome aboard! We'll be ready for a push back at
8:30AM Friday morning weather permitting.

JP


--- In Q-LIST@..., "Bob Farnam" <bfarnam@p...> wrote:
Mike,
Jim P. and I are going to be flying down together Fri. morning and
will
probably be in around 12 or 1 pm. Geoff is coming Sat. morning.

Bob F.
N200QK
EAA Flight Advisor

-----Original Message-----
From: Q-LIST@... [mailto:Q-LIST@...]On
Behalf Of
Mike Perry
Sent: Monday, April 25, 2005 11:30 PM
To: Q-LIST@...
Subject: [Q-LIST] Re: Laughlin next week!


I hope to get to Laughlin about noon on Friday. Anyone going to
be around
that early? I would especially like to get a look at any Q200
arriving
early (I have some problems with this project!)

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Exhaust-

Dorothea Keats and Chris Walterson <dkeats@...>
 

I have built two exhausts for different engines. The first, an E-81
turbo Subaru I used mandrel bent mild steel exhaust from JC Witney. I
cut and fit and then had it welded. I then sprayed it with ceramic
coating. Six years and still holding up. The second I built for a 2.5
Turbo Subaru. This one I got the mandrel bent 304 stainless from Burns.
The 304 is good for my application, as I don't run high boost pressures
and the 304 is less expensive than the 321. I made all the flanges from
1/4 inch mild steel. Cut and fit everything and it's now at the welders
along with my custom aluminum intake manifold. I tried pipe benders and
mufflershops and filling pipes with sand, but I find buying the mandrel
bent pipe and fabricating the exhaust is the best route. It works for
the Tuttles from Orange County choppers and it works for me.---------
Canada Chris


Re: Laughlin next week!

Bob Farnam <bfarnam@...>
 

Mike,
Jim P. and I are going to be flying down together Fri. morning and will
probably be in around 12 or 1 pm. Geoff is coming Sat. morning.

Bob F.
N200QK
EAA Flight Advisor

-----Original Message-----
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Sent: Monday, April 25, 2005 11:30 PM
To: Q-LIST@...
Subject: [Q-LIST] Re: Laughlin next week!


I hope to get to Laughlin about noon on Friday. Anyone going to be around
that early? I would especially like to get a look at any Q200 arriving
early (I have some problems with this project!)

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Mountain States Tandem Wing Fly-in

Patrick Panzera <panzera@...>
 

Less than a week to go.



http://www.mountainstatesfly-in.com/



http://www.contactmagazine.com/Roundup.html



Please RSVP and if you are driving, please plan on bringing chairs.



As usual, we’ll have a running Corvair engine for you to see and listen to,

and we’ll have a small supply of William Wynne manuals for you to buy.



Of particular interest to the VW crowd,

Joe Horvath of Revmaster will be there, speaking on his R-3000 (110 hp) engine,

which will be featured at length in the next issue of CONTACT! Magazine.



For the Q1 gang,

Scott Casler of Hummel Engines will also be there, speaking on the ½ VW.



Pat



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Its coming!

Jim Patillo
 

Mike,

We should be arriving KIFP around 1PM Friday weather permitting. We're
going to stop in Apple Valley for lunch around 11:00AM. Anyone near
there is invited to stop by and we can fly in together since it looks
like we going to be a one plane formation.

Jim P.


Re: N275CH Piston question

Jim Patillo
 

Sam,

Hope your mom and dad are getting better! I really do know what
you're going through.

Once again, I should have better qualified what I said. "There is an
exception to everything", and I'm sure there are others out there
with high compression engines and no cooler. However, if you take a
poll of all the inmates, I'll bet there are more with um than
without um on pumped up 0200's. I guess its an easy way to solve a
heat problem.

Baffeling does play a very important part in cooling and as such
should be well thought out and installed correctly! How's that?

Sorry your not going to be in Laughlin. Its always a pleasure to
talk with you.

Jim P.

"Sam Hoskins" <shoskins@m...> wrote:
Just to show that there is always another viewpoint. I have high
compression pistons and absolutely do not need an oil cooler. I
do have
full plenum baffles which does a better job of using the air
coming into the
inlets. Dave Richardson showed how I fabricated them in a Q-talk,
about two
years ago.

Sam



Re: Q-1 gross weight

a.shannon@...
 

Hello Stan
My Onan Q has an empty weight of 291 and try not to go over 540 gross, the climb gets too
exciting for me.
Roy
Q1, N3Qs.

-------------- Original message ----------------------
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Re: Stainless pipes and bending

rondefly@...
 

I have listened to all these ways to do the stainless pipes, from paying
dearly to have someone make them, to having a muffler shop bend them, to not
be able to remove them without removing the engine. What I am going to do,
that is if mine are in need of new is to use electrical schedule 40 which
can be heated to bend however you want to make your pattern, then purchase a
bunch of professional made stainless bends to duplicate the pattern. Then
practice welding stainless for a few years, see how easy it is.

Ron & Carolyn Triano Q-200 N4710P

-----Original Message-----
From: Q-LIST@... [mailto:Q-LIST@...]On Behalf Of
Mike Dwyer
Sent: Monday, April 25, 2005 3:22 PM
To: Q-LIST@...
Subject: Re: [Q-LIST] Stainless pipes and bending

I can live with that, as long as they don't crush it!
I have no intention of racing Sam!
Thanks,
Mike Q200 N3QP



Patrick Panzera wrote:

Any reason why you can't just bring the pipe to a muffler shop and get
them to bend it?

Most (not all) muffler shops do not have the equipment necessary to bend
tubing
w/o reducing the diameter of the tube within the bend radius.

Pat




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Re: Laughlin next week!

HawkiDoug <hawkidoug@...>
 

Hey Geoff, to help you on those cross wind take offs & landings, have Jim Patillo show you how to hold your mouth. He's going to show me at Livermore. I think he's got some special boots too. :)

Doug "Hawkeye" Humble
www.asignabove.net
Omaha NE
N25974

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Sent: Thursday, April 21, 2005 3:16 AM
Subject: [Q-LIST] Re: Laughlin next week!




I guess the cat is out of the bag, and I should describe what
happened last Sunday at Mammoth. There might be a lesson for others
as they consider how to approach taking off in high cross wind
conditions.

But first, I should mention that I've been having a grand time with
my Q the past few weeks -- first with a trip to Tucson (Ryan field),
to visit U of A where my daughter plans to attend in the fall. Then
2 weeks ago I made an impulsive trip to Death Valley to hike among
the wild flowers before the season was over. Ray Macrae joined me in
his LongEZ, and we flew LVK->Furnace Creek in about 2 hours, flying
over the Kiersarge pass at 11,500. Ray had to throttle his 170
horses back a bit so I could keep up -- I managed about 165 knots on
the GPS. Wonderful trip, even though the gas truck closes up shop at
Furnace Creek airport at 3PM (we left at 1:00 PM and arrived at
2:59). And the park charges you for arrival by airplane the same $10
that they charge for a car. Pictures I took of Ray's plane during
the trip back are online at
http://www.geoffreyrutledge.com/Album/DeathValley2005/

During the week I made a Bay tour and stopped in at Half Moon Bay
airport to take a hike on the beach. Photos from a Bay tour are up
at http://www.geoffreyrutledge.com/N200AL/SFcityViews

So there I was this past Sunday wanting to go check out the skiing
at Mammoth mountain, which Ray and I flew over on our way to Death
Valley. Its only an hour and a bit from Livermore. I arrived at MMH
at about noon to find a 15 knot cross wind, and a lot of turbulence
coming off the hills next to the airport. I followed field
instructions to ignore the first 3000 feet of runway and had no
difficulty putting it down on the second half of runway 27.

When I was ready to leave, it was still blowing cross at about 15
knots, but there were occasional gusts to 20. I figured incorrectly
that since I had no trouble landing I would have no trouble taking
off in those conditions. Because of the 8200 foot density altitude
(!), I was light, with an empty aux tank and no passenger. I had a
total of 14 gallons of fuel in the main tank, which put my CG at the
forward limit. I did not think in advance of how this was a bad idea
during takeoff in a cross wind, because a forward CG reduces the
weight on the tailwheel. I did not set my reflexor aft to add weight
to the tailwheel at the beginning of the takeoff roll. You may be
able to see where this is going.

I thought everything was fine as I gave full power and began
accelerating. But quite quickly, while still beginning the
acceleration, the plane veered left, and full right rudder/brake did
not stop it. I do not know if the tailwheel kicked out in a gust. I
do know that my toe brakes will not lock the wheels when I am
rolling (though they do apply more braking than I need when
landing). I have differential hand brakes that I can use during slow
taxiing to lock the wheel and spin on a dime, but have to take my
hand off the stick (or the throttle) to use them. So I cut the
throttle, and the plane reached the side of the runway as my hand
touched the hand brake, all the while as I applied full right
rudder/brake.

The plane was going slowly as I exited the runway (within 50 feet of
the start of the takeoff run). The wheels hit soft dirt, the plane
stopped, and then, almost in slow motion, the tail tipped up and the
nose came down and the spinner hit the dirt. The prop was stopped
but in a near vertical orientation. The cowling and air intake hit
the dirt, and then the tail came back down again. There was loose
dirt in the air intake, and the cowling had flexed under the weight
of the plane and the paint had cracked. there was a small crack in
the fiberglass on the part of the cowling that touched the ground.
The prop had a 1-2 cm crack parallel to and about 2 mm in from the
trailing edge of the tip.

I pulled the plane back to the runup area. After careful inspection,
I put tape on both ends of the propellor, cleaned out the intake,
and did some taxi runs. Then I flew home. Came back at 14000 over
the tops of scattered cumulus on the Sierras. Got up high more
quickly by soaring the windward slopes, climbing at times at greater
than 1000 fpm above 9000 feet!

So what happened during the takeoff roll? I believe that not enough
weight on the tail wheel meant that as soon as I began to roll, the
lift of the wing removed the last bit of weight on the wheel, and
the cross wind pushed on the tail beyond the steering force of my
ineffective rudder, ineffective tailwheel, and weak toe brakes. I
would be curious to get other's opinions/experiences in strong cross
winds.

What could I have done differently? The obvious answer is not to
have taken off in a significant or gusty cross wind. But I suspect
that a more aft CG, and/or pulling the reflexor aft at the beginning
of the takeoff roll (much as I do immediately after landing) would
have made it possible to take off in the same conditions. But
perhaps not wise to do so.

I believe I fell victim to the "intermediate syndrome". As Bob F.
describes it, just when you think you are getting comfortable with
the Q, it shows you that you don't know much of anything yet. (Bob,
feel free to re-paraphrase if I am misquoting you...)

The prop is on the way to Clark Lydick for a touch up, and unless I
can find another prop (I have a tentative offer), I won't be flying
N200AL to Laughlin this year. I am considering getting a spare prop.

My pictures from last year are still up at
http://www.geoffreyrutledge.com/N200AL/Laughlin2004

Cheers, Geoff
N200AL Q200 (now 80 hours and ~90 landings)

--- In Q-LIST@..., "Jim Patillo"
<logistics_engineering@m...> wrote:


Laughlin Update,

Well it looks like Jennifer and I may be the only Q comming from
the
Bay Area next week! Unbeleivable with all these Q's at Livermore
and
that we can't muster up anything better.

Mark is out because of continuing stainless exhaust breakage, lack
of time and break in on new cylinders.

Brad is out because he removed his engine a couple of weeks ago to
install rebuilt mags, starter, alternator and stainless exhaust
and
things haven't gone according to plan. He's ran out of time.

Jeff is out because of a prop and cowling strike at Mammoth on
Sunday. However Jeff is pretty creative and fast at making a come
back as we have seen in the past.

Bob is out because of a lack of current medical. Alan Thayer is
Bob's only hope if he gets current in the next few days.

That leaves me and its still a week away! I will be flying to my
second home Saturday for a fly in at Calaveras County Airport in
the
Sierra foothills.

After that we'll be focusing in Laughlin. Good luck to everyone
attending.

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Re: N275CH Piston question

Sam Hoskins <shoskins@...>
 

Just to show that there is always another viewpoint. I have high
compression pistons and absolutely do not need an oil cooler. I do have
full plenum baffles which does a better job of using the air coming into the
inlets. Dave Richardson showed how I fabricated them in a Q-talk, about two
years ago.

Sam



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Sent: Saturday, April 23, 2005 8:00 PM
To: Q-LIST@...
Subject: [Q-LIST] Re: N275CH Piston question





Kevin,

My experience is when you install high compression pistons you will
need an oil cooler because of the added heat.

Jim Patillo Q200 N46JP


3. I knew Charlie was anticipating putting an oil cooler on the
airplane before he became ill. To me this indicates that he was
fighting heat after rebuilding his engine with these pistons.

4. I don't need the additional performance, I want reliability.

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Re: Stainless pipes and bending

Peter Harris <peterjfharris@...>
 

Ron there is pipe bending equipment that will do the job. Should be able to find someone who does performance extractors. Check out the motor racing guys.
Peter

----- Original Message -----
From: rondefly@...
To: Q-LIST@...
Sent: Tuesday, April 26, 2005 10:57 PM
Subject: RE: [Q-LIST] Stainless pipes and bending


I have listened to all these ways to do the stainless pipes, from paying
dearly to have someone make them, to having a muffler shop bend them, to not
be able to remove them without removing the engine. What I am going to do,
that is if mine are in need of new is to use electrical schedule 40 which
can be heated to bend however you want to make your pattern, then purchase a
bunch of professional made stainless bends to duplicate the pattern. Then
practice welding stainless for a few years, see how easy it is.

Ron & Carolyn Triano Q-200 N4710P

-----Original Message-----
From: Q-LIST@... [mailto:Q-LIST@...]On Behalf Of
Mike Dwyer
Sent: Monday, April 25, 2005 3:22 PM
To: Q-LIST@...
Subject: Re: [Q-LIST] Stainless pipes and bending

I can live with that, as long as they don't crush it!
I have no intention of racing Sam!
Thanks,
Mike Q200 N3QP



Patrick Panzera wrote:

>>Any reason why you can't just bring the pipe to a muffler shop and get
>>them to bend it?
>>
>>
>
>Most (not all) muffler shops do not have the equipment necessary to bend
tubing
>w/o reducing the diameter of the tube within the bend radius.
>
>Pat
>
>
>
>


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Re: Laughlin next week!

Mike Perry <dmperry1012@...>
 

I hope to get to Laughlin about noon on Friday. Anyone going to be around that early? I would especially like to get a look at any Q200 arriving early (I have some problems with this project!)

Mike Perry


Re: Laughlin next week!

britmcman99
 

Hello Larry:

I'd sure like to see that Q-Vair fly in to Laughlin. Can you hurry it up?

Cheers,

Phil
N870BM


Re: Stainless pipes and bending

chris rayner <rayners@...>
 

Guys, I recently made my stainless pipes by estimating the number of 90 degree bends and straights needed and buying them from a local exhaust manufacturer. I then went through the tedious process of fitting, marking, tacking, welding (TiG), trying. Also needed to buy two more lots of bends. Now got a good looking 4,2,1 crossover for my O-200 though. It's probably impossible to remove with the engine installed but it looks the business and the bends are all professionally made!

Chris Rayner - getting closer...

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To: <Q-LIST@...>
Sent: Monday, April 25, 2005 11:07 PM
Subject: RE: [Q-LIST] Stainless pipes and bending



Any reason why you can't just bring the pipe to a muffler shop and get
them to bend it?
Most (not all) muffler shops do not have the equipment necessary to bend tubing
w/o reducing the diameter of the tube within the bend radius.

Pat




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Re: Stainless pipes and bending

Mike Dwyer <mdwyer@...>
 

I can live with that, as long as they don't crush it! I have no intention of racing Sam!
Thanks,
Mike Q200 N3QP



Patrick Panzera wrote:

Any reason why you can't just bring the pipe to a muffler shop and get
them to bend it?
Most (not all) muffler shops do not have the equipment necessary to bend tubing
w/o reducing the diameter of the tube within the bend radius.
Pat



Re: Stainless pipes and bending

Patrick Panzera <panzera@...>
 

Any reason why you can't just bring the pipe to a muffler shop and get
them to bend it?
Most (not all) muffler shops do not have the equipment necessary to bend tubing
w/o reducing the diameter of the tube within the bend radius.

Pat


Re: Stainless pipes and bending

Mike Dwyer <mdwyer@...>
 

Any reason why you can't just bring the pipe to a muffler shop and get them to bend it? I'm going to be working on some 431 stainless pipes this week. I made my pattern pipes out of PVC and plan to take the PVC and the straight pipes to the muffler shop and tell em to make the bend at the same angle... By the way, 431 stainless is the good stuff, higher temp, welds with 437 rod available at Wicks.
Mike Q-200


MartinErni@... wrote:

In a message dated 4/25/2005 4:09:07 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, damiantwinsport@... writes:

Martin , the best way to bend stainless is with a mandrel bender. Burns Stainless has allready bent sections that you can cut and fit to acheive the pipe you want.( beautifully mandrel bent) .
Regards,
Damian Gregory N8427 Q 200 (under reconstruction)





Thanks. Haven't had any luck finding one locally.
Earnest






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Re: Wheel Pants

Mark/Pat Pearson/Pound <wlkabout@...>
 

Then they need to be painted a striikingly contrasting color! But that
works!

"David J. Gall" wrote:

re: "Sammy Super Slippery Shroud"

(there is a distinct lack of synonyms starting with "S" for
the word wheelpant)
Try "spats" as in "Sammy's Super Slippery Spats"... :-)



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Re: Q1

Airwoofer <airwoofer@...>
 

--- In Q-LIST@..., Ken Trager <kenamt@y...> wrote:
Gary
Depending on what you want and what you are willing to pay I may have
a plane for you. Huntsville, AL. Get with me by email. This is not
a stock Q1 anymore. It has the liquid cooled Rotax 2 cyl engine
installion (mount, cowl, radiator, exhaust, etc) and a set of RV
style gear legs to allow a 68" prop and real brakes. 250 hrs on the
straight flying airframe. Has not flown in several years.

Iam located in Kennesaw GA. It would be a longggggg drive to get
the plane.
Someday I WILL find one.

Ken

lmc72blz <gary.harper@h...> wrote:

Ken,

I am in Utah and have the plane at my house. Where are you located?

Gary



--- In Q-LIST@..., Ken Trager <kenamt@y...> wrote:
Gary,

I see Hill AFB in your email - Is the aircraft in Utah?

Iam looking around for a start project to finish up.

Thanks

Ken

lmc72blz <gary.harper@h...> wrote:

--- In Q-LIST@..., "antson20022" <antson@c...> wrote:

Hello all, I have been lurking for some time now and I have
come to
a cross road. I have plans to build a Q1. However spare time is
getting harder and harder to come by so, I was wondering if
anyone
out
there has a Q1 airframe, less engine that they would want to
part
with? Thanks in advance.

Tony
I also have an airframe I would be willing to part with for
1500.00 if
you are interested shoot me an e-mail

Gary





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