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Re: Looking for Phil Lankford

mkfarin@...
 

Doug:
I think Phil is at Oshkosh?
Thanks
Neal
"Doug Humble" <hawkidoug@...> wrote:

Phil Lankford please email me off list at Q-Talk@.... You want Q-Talk as a pdf file right?

Thanks!

Doug "Hawkeye" Humble
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Omaha NE
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Doug Humble <hawkidoug@...>
 

Phil Lankford please email me off list at Q-Talk@.... You want Q-Talk as a pdf file right?

Thanks!

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Fw: Re: Wheel Alignment

Paul Buckley
 

----- Original Message -----
From: "flywarrior" <flywarrior@...>
To: "Paul Buckley" <paulbuckley@...>
Sent: Saturday, July 30, 2005 7:58 PM
Subject: Re: [Q-LIST] Re: Wheel Alignment



----- Original Message -----
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To: <Q-LIST@...>
Sent: Thursday, July 28, 2005 12:48 PM
Subject: Re: [Q-LIST] Re: Wheel Alignment


Tad

I have been searching for my TriQ conversion plans but at the moment I
can't find them (have moved workshop since I built the gear........ now
I
can find nix!)
However, from memory I would say that there should be no toe in but a
little camber is OK.
According to a recent discussion, that left wheel camber will induce a
left turn, so I would adjust the camber on the right wheel to match the
left.
Offhand I would suggest using FLOX as the re-alignment medium (shim),
which is how it was set up in the first place.
I can't see that the castering nose wheel would have any effect at all.

Can any other TriQ builders help out with the plans alignment detail?

Paul Buckley
Cheshire, England
TriQ-200
still building................................................

----- Original Message -----
From: rebeccaandtad_simpson
To: Q-LIST@...
Sent: Thursday, July 28, 2005 12:02 PM
Subject: [Q-LIST] Re: Wheel Alignment


Paul,
When I first received my project, the left wheel had a broken valve
stem and I replaced the tire. I posted asking how tight it should be
when put the tire back on and the replies were hand tighten and
pin - ensure that it spins freely with minimum force - appears to be
about equal(lacks good measurement). I did some calculations after
the post and after searching some equations/calculators on the net.

If everything is correct, the right tire has an 8/10 deg more toe in
than the left (almost 1/3 more). I assume this plus the camber
difference in all 3 wheels is causing this left pull. I am hoping If
I get the specs for toe in and camber and adjust all 3 to specs,
this will be resolve (I am not smart enough to calculate how much
the opposing force is that is being created in the current
connfiguration to calculate the required realignment).

Thanks,
Tad Simpson


--- In Q-LIST@..., "Paul Buckley" <paulbuckley@o...>
wrote:
> Tad
>
> Can we assume that you have you checked that the left main wheel
is friction free and rotates with the same freedom as the
right.......brake not binding, tyre not rubbing, bearing free etc?
>
> Paul Buckley
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: Tad Simpson
> To: Dragonflylist@... ; Q-LIST@...
> Sent: Thursday, July 28, 2005 4:44 AM
> Subject: [Q-LIST] Wheel Alignment
>
>
> Using a modifed version of Dave Morris's suggestion for testing
wheel alignment in my tri-tw
> I bought 2 laser levels, cut a pieces of 2" aluminum flat stock
and velroed the levels to the bar stock, drilled holes in the ends
and used a bungi cord to afix to the main gear wheels in a level
position. Using a plumb line from the tail tip and nose wheel strut,
marked off the floor and drew a tight line to match the points.
>
> Inches from main Lft - cntr Rt-cntr
> 44" forward 47 1/2 47 7/16
> 134" fwd (hgr door) 91" (total)
> 102" aft 48 1/8 50 1/2
> Camber 3 deg in 0 deg
> Nose wheel 3 deg out/left (castering)
>
> During taxiing, there is a huge left pulling tendancy requires
full right rudder and right brake until you reach 25-30 mph then
still requires heavy rt rudder. This is far more than the natuaral
pull should be and I ass u me the slight variance of the
castering wheel would have minimal impact.
>
> 1) What should be the camber on a tri-gear ? (in or out)
> 2) Should there specific be a toe in angle ? If yes - what
degree ?
> 3) With this much variance, what is the best way to correct it ?
Shims etc?
>
>
> Any help is appreaciated.
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Re: Wheel Alignment

Paul Buckley
 

Tad

See the latest post from Flywarrior. The page you require from the Tr1Q installation manual is attached.

The camber should be 8 degrees, the toe-in half a degree.

Regards
Paul Buckley.

----- Original Message -----
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To: Dragonflylist@... ; Q-LIST@...
Sent: Thursday, July 28, 2005 4:44 AM
Subject: [Q-LIST] Wheel Alignment


1) What should be the camber on a tri-gear ? (in or out)
2) Should there specific be a toe in angle ? If yes - what degree ?
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Re: Digest Number 1905

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Stan, Where are you located??

Steve Ham

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To: Q-LIST@...
Sent: Friday, July 29, 2005 9:30 PM
Subject: Re: [Q-LIST] Digest Number 1905


Hey gang, anyone going thru or near Indiana via ground in the future. I need to get my Q1 out to the west coast and am looking for Ideas . Fuel ect. provided.
Thanks, Stan

P/s Larry S. we may be able to split a hanger. SS

Q-LIST@... wrote:
There are 18 messages in this issue.

Topics in this digest:

1. Re: hello people
From: "jcrain2@..."
2. Re: about Quecki 2
From: "Jeff"
3. Re: about q-2
From: "Jeff"
4. Re: hello people
From: "Jeff"
5. Re: Re: about q-2
From: GeneKnapp2@...
6. about q-2
From: "razvan_chiriac"
7. Re: hello people
From: "razvan_chiriac"
8. RE: Re: hello people
From: "Dave"
9. Re: hello people
From: "Steve"
10. Ref: FAA notice N8700.42
From: "flywarrior"
11. Re: AirVenture Cup Race is tomorrow
From: "Tri-Q1"
12. Re: about Quecki 2
From: Mike Dwyer
13. Re: Re: about q-2
From: "Leon - C"
14. Re: about q-2
From: "razvan_chiriac"
15. Re: Re: about q-2
From: Mike Dwyer
16. Re: Re: hello people
From: "jcrain2@..."
17. Wheel Alignment
From: Tad Simpson
18. Re: Wheel Alignment
From: "Paul Buckley"



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Message: 1
Date: Wed, 27 Jul 2005 12:23:18 GMT
From: "jcrain2@..."
Subject: Re: hello people


Razvan,
1st you need to subscribe to Q-talk newsletter and then you can put an ad in to try and find a kit. Some kits will be untouched, some will be partially complete. The kits have the fuselage shells and hardware plus other components to build the Q2 (I like the Q200 better). You also receive templates for hot wiring the wings and control surfaces.
The fuselage molds were sold so they are not available.

Bruce Crain
N96BJ


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can any of you aswer any of my earlyer questons?

I thought that if I joind this group I wold get some help in starting
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Message: 2
Date: Wed, 27 Jul 2005 13:08:04 -0000
From: "Jeff"
Subject: Re: about Quecki 2

The Q2 is a kit built airplane, you can not build the airplane from
just the plans. I guess if you wanted to spend a few years you
could build your own mould, but there is not enough information in
the kit assembly instructions to give you all the information you
need.

Jeff


--- In Q-LIST@..., "razvan_chiriac"
wrote:
> hi
>
> doues any one know where to find molds för this airplane?
>
> I´m planing to by the airplane plans, does it include plans for
molds
> to?
>
> regards
> razvan




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Message: 3
Date: Wed, 27 Jul 2005 13:09:49 -0000
From: "Jeff"
Subject: Re: about q-2

No and no.

Jeff

--- In Q-LIST@..., "razvan_chiriac"
wrote:
> hi
>
> I´m new on this list and I want to start by asking a qeuston.
>
> can this Q2 be registrated as a UL-airplane?
> can I use a modified VW 1/2 egine to power the airplane?
>
> regards
> the amator astronomer how dreams of flying




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Message: 4
Date: Wed, 27 Jul 2005 13:11:56 -0000
From: "Jeff"
Subject: Re: hello people

Probably 1/2 the guys on the list are at Oshkosh right now. If you
would search the archives you will probably find the answer to every
question you could ever imagine of thinking, especially very basic
questions.

Jeff

--- In Q-LIST@..., "razvan_chiriac"
wrote:
> hi
>
> can any of you aswer any of my earlyer questons?
>
> I thought that if I joind this group I wold get some help in
starting
> to build my own Q2 but no one aswers.
>
> razvan





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Message: 5
Date: Wed, 27 Jul 2005 09:13:37 EDT
From: GeneKnapp2@...
Subject: Re: Re: about q-2

For a Q1, Yes ... for a Q2, NO WAY!!!

Gene

In a message dated 7/27/2005 8:11:33 AM Central Daylight Time,
jeffrey.letempt@... writes:
can I use a modified VW 1/2 egine to power the airplane?






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Message: 6
Date: Wed, 27 Jul 2005 13:31:26 -0000
From: "razvan_chiriac"
Subject: about q-2

hi

thankyou for the aswers.

regards
razvan




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Message: 7
Date: Wed, 27 Jul 2005 13:34:28 -0000
From: "razvan_chiriac"
Subject: Re: hello people

hi Bruce

I have know subscribed to Q-talk newsletter and I hope I can find
something.

Why do you like Q200 better then Q2 what is the difernce?

regards
razvan




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Message: 8
Date: Wed, 27 Jul 2005 09:46:21 -0400
From: "Dave"
Subject: RE: Re: hello people

You should spend some time looking over the FAQ's on the QBA website.

http://www.quickiebuilders.org/cgi-bin/smartfaq.cgi

That may help you with some of the basics.

Dave


-----Original Message-----
From: razvan_chiriac [mailto:razvan_chiriac@...]
Sent: Wednesday, July 27, 2005 9:34 AM
To: Q-LIST@...
Subject: [Q-LIST] Re: hello people

hi Bruce

I have know subscribed to Q-talk newsletter and I hope I can find
something.

Why do you like Q200 better then Q2 what is the difernce?

regards
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Message: 9
Date: Wed, 27 Jul 2005 10:47:55 -0700
From: "Steve"
Subject: Re: hello people

Ravan, Sometimes it takes a few days to recieve a reply. This is also a slow time with everyone taking vacations and Oskosh. If you look in the archives you will find 90% of the answers to your questions.

Good luck Steve Ham
----- Original Message -----
From: razvan_chiriac
To: Q-LIST@...
Sent: Wednesday, July 27, 2005 3:18 AM
Subject: [Q-LIST] hello people


hi

can any of you aswer any of my earlyer questons?

I thought that if I joind this group I wold get some help in starting
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Message: 10
Date: Wed, 27 Jul 2005 11:23:08 -0500
From: "flywarrior"
Subject: Ref: FAA notice N8700.42

Subject:Experimental/Homebuilt Pilots required to have category and class rating to carry passengers.
Talked to FAA today. The St Louis Office researched this notice and stated that it covers only Light Spot and UltraLights aircraft.





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Message: 11
Date: Wed, 27 Jul 2005 19:53:46 -0000
From: "Tri-Q1"
Subject: Re: AirVenture Cup Race is tomorrow

So Sam has a:

#22, Quickee, Sam Hoskins, [time- 2:20:53], [speed-200.31].


Ryan

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wrote:
> Sam,
>
> Congratulations on your second place finish!!!! 200.31 MPH over a
500 mile
> course - WOW!!!!
>
> Hope to see you later this week at AirVenture.
>
> Jeff
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Q-LIST@... [mailto:Q-LIST@...]On
Behalf Of
> Sam Hoskins
> Sent: Saturday, July 23, 2005 9:45 AM
> To: Q-LIST@...
> Subject: [Q-LIST] AirVenture Cup Race is tomorrow
>
>
> Guys, I'm just walking out the door and thought I'd let you know
about this
> year's AirVenture Cup Race.
>
> Today I fly to Wright Brothers - Dayton (KMGY) to stage for the
race.
> http://www.airventure.org/2005/events/avcup/
>
> There are six entrants in the Sprint Class (240 cu in or less); me,
four
> Vari-Ezes, and a Mazda rotary powered RV-6. Rob Martinson is back
in his
> very fast Vari-Eze.
>
> Rob has won every year he has entered. He was out last year for
some very
> serious health problems and I was able to take advantage of the
opportunity.
> I may not be able to beat Rob, but I am creeping up on him.
>
> Tomorrow, Sunday, the race goes from Dayton then we make runway
passes at
> Rock Falls, IL (KSQI), Rockford, IL (KRFD), then the finish line is
a pass
> at a private airport at Lomira, WI. We all land at Fond DuLac and
> reconnoiter for a coordinated arrival into Oshkosh.
>
> If you are interested, the race results will be posted at the link
above -
> maybe in the evening.
>
> I will be parked with the rest of the race planes on the main
flight line,
> just north of show center. Be sure and stop by and say hi.
>
> See you there!
>
> Sam
>
> www.samhoskins.blogspot.com
>
>
>
>
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Message: 12
Date: Wed, 27 Jul 2005 17:56:57 -0400
From: Mike Dwyer
Subject: Re: about Quecki 2

Hi Razvan,
I assume you are from Sweden. No the Q2 plans do not include mold
drawings. No, you can't make a Q2 from plans only, you need to purchase
the fuselage shells. There are probably 500 of them available in the
US. No one answered your question as I suppose no one has the molds?

Go buy an incomplete kit, it's the best way for you to go.

Happy Flying,
Mike Q200
http://www.geocities.com/fly-home/

razvan_chiriac wrote:

>hi
>
>doues any one know where to find molds för this airplane?
>
>I´m planing to by the airplane plans, does it include plans for molds
>to?
>
>regards
>razvan
>
>
>
>


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Message: 13
Date: Wed, 27 Jul 2005 16:20:30 -0600
From: "Leon - C"
Subject: Re: Re: about q-2


----- Original Message -----
From: "Jeff"

No and no.

Jeff
====================
If he is talking about a 1/2 VW (2 cylinder) the answer is no. If he means
a Tp1 or Tp 2 "VW 1/2" that answer would be yes. There was one scratch
built fuselage...........so it can be done. I wouldn't try.
++++++++++++++++
Leon McAtee

--- In Q-LIST@..., "razvan_chiriac"
wrote:
> hi
>
> I´m new on this list and I want to start by asking a qeuston.
>
> can this Q2 be registrated as a UL-airplane?
> can I use a modified VW 1/2 egine to power the airplane?
>
> regards
> the amator astronomer how dreams of flying







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Message: 14
Date: Wed, 27 Jul 2005 23:57:46 -0000
From: "razvan_chiriac"
Subject: Re: about q-2

Hi

What cind of engine do I use for Q2 if I want to fly it as a Ul-
airplane?

regards
razvan




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Message: 15
Date: Wed, 27 Jul 2005 20:11:41 -0400
From: Mike Dwyer
Subject: Re: Re: about q-2

Razvan,
You need to say what country, laws are different in each country. If U1
is an ultralight??? We have around 0 of these flying as US
ultralights. In the US, ultralights max out at 60 mph, can't carry 2
people, and a 180 mph plane doesn't even come close to qualifying in the
US. There are probably 0 flying in Sweden also.
Mike

razvan_chiriac wrote:

>Hi
>
>What cind of engine do I use for Q2 if I want to fly it as a Ul-
>airplane?
>
>regards
>razvan
>
>
>
>
>Quickie Builders Association WEB site
>http://www.quickiebuilders.org
>
>
>Yahoo! Groups Links
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
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>


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Message: 16
Date: Thu, 28 Jul 2005 01:26:55 GMT
From: "jcrain2@..."
Subject: Re: Re: hello people


The Continental 0200 is faster and more reliable than the Rev-master or any of the VW engines.
Bruce


-- "razvan_chiriac" wrote:
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I have know subscribed to Q-talk newsletter and I hope I can find
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Why do you like Q200 better then Q2 what is the difernce?

regards
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Message: 17
Date: Wed, 27 Jul 2005 20:44:56 -0700 (PDT)
From: Tad Simpson
Subject: Wheel Alignment

Using a modifed version of Dave Morris's suggestion for testing wheel alignment in my tri-tw
I bought 2 laser levels, cut a pieces of 2" aluminum flat stock and velroed the levels to the bar stock, drilled holes in the ends and used a bungi cord to afix to the main gear wheels in a level position. Using a plumb line from the tail tip and nose wheel strut, marked off the floor and drew a tight line to match the points.

Inches from main Lft - cntr Rt-cntr
44" forward 47 1/2 47 7/16
134" fwd (hgr door) 91" (total)
102" aft 48 1/8 50 1/2
Camber 3 deg in 0 deg
Nose wheel 3 deg out/left (castering)

During taxiing, there is a huge left pulling tendancy requires full right rudder and right brake until you reach 25-30 mph then still requires heavy rt rudder. This is far more than the natuaral pull should be and I ass u me the slight variance of the castering wheel would have minimal impact.

1) What should be the camber on a tri-gear ? (in or out)
2) Should there specific be a toe in angle ? If yes - what degree ?
3) With this much variance, what is the best way to correct it ? Shims etc?


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Message: 18
Date: Thu, 28 Jul 2005 10:18:38 +0100
From: "Paul Buckley"

Subject: Re: Wheel Alignment

Tad

Can we assume that you have you checked that the left main wheel is friction free and rotates with the same freedom as the right.......brake not binding, tyre not rubbing, bearing free etc?

Paul Buckley
----- Original Message -----
From: Tad Simpson
To: Dragonflylist@... ; Q-LIST@...
Sent: Thursday, July 28, 2005 4:44 AM
Subject: [Q-LIST] Wheel Alignment


Using a modifed version of Dave Morris's suggestion for testing wheel alignment in my tri-tw
I bought 2 laser levels, cut a pieces of 2" aluminum flat stock and velroed the levels to the bar stock, drilled holes in the ends and used a bungi cord to afix to the main gear wheels in a level position. Using a plumb line from the tail tip and nose wheel strut, marked off the floor and drew a tight line to match the points.

Inches from main Lft - cntr Rt-cntr
44" forward 47 1/2 47 7/16
134" fwd (hgr door) 91" (total)
102" aft 48 1/8 50 1/2
Camber 3 deg in 0 deg
Nose wheel 3 deg out/left (castering)

During taxiing, there is a huge left pulling tendancy requires full right rudder and right brake until you reach 25-30 mph then still requires heavy rt rudder. This is far more than the natuaral pull should be and I ass u me the slight variance of the castering wheel would have minimal impact.

1) What should be the camber on a tri-gear ? (in or out)
2) Should there specific be a toe in angle ? If yes - what degree ?
3) With this much variance, what is the best way to correct it ? Shims etc?


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Re: Wheel Alignment

Robert Justin
 

----- Original Message -----
From: "Paul Buckley" <paulbuckley@...>
To: <Q-LIST@...>
Sent: Thursday, July 28, 2005 12:48 PM
Subject: Re: [Q-LIST] Re: Wheel Alignment


Tad

I have been searching for my TriQ conversion plans but at the moment I
can't find them (have moved workshop since I built the gear........ now I
can find nix!)
However, from memory I would say that there should be no toe in but a
little camber is OK.
According to a recent discussion, that left wheel camber will induce a
left turn, so I would adjust the camber on the right wheel to match the
left.
Offhand I would suggest using FLOX as the re-alignment medium (shim),
which is how it was set up in the first place.
I can't see that the castering nose wheel would have any effect at all.

Can any other TriQ builders help out with the plans alignment detail?

Paul Buckley
Cheshire, England
TriQ-200
still building................................................

----- Original Message -----
From: rebeccaandtad_simpson
To: Q-LIST@...
Sent: Thursday, July 28, 2005 12:02 PM
Subject: [Q-LIST] Re: Wheel Alignment


Paul,
When I first received my project, the left wheel had a broken valve
stem and I replaced the tire. I posted asking how tight it should be
when put the tire back on and the replies were hand tighten and
pin - ensure that it spins freely with minimum force - appears to be
about equal(lacks good measurement). I did some calculations after
the post and after searching some equations/calculators on the net.

If everything is correct, the right tire has an 8/10 deg more toe in
than the left (almost 1/3 more). I assume this plus the camber
difference in all 3 wheels is causing this left pull. I am hoping If
I get the specs for toe in and camber and adjust all 3 to specs,
this will be resolve (I am not smart enough to calculate how much
the opposing force is that is being created in the current
connfiguration to calculate the required realignment).

Thanks,
Tad Simpson


--- In Q-LIST@..., "Paul Buckley" <paulbuckley@o...>
wrote:
> Tad
>
> Can we assume that you have you checked that the left main wheel
is friction free and rotates with the same freedom as the
right.......brake not binding, tyre not rubbing, bearing free etc?
>
> Paul Buckley
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: Tad Simpson
> To: Dragonflylist@... ; Q-LIST@...
> Sent: Thursday, July 28, 2005 4:44 AM
> Subject: [Q-LIST] Wheel Alignment
>
>
> Using a modifed version of Dave Morris's suggestion for testing
wheel alignment in my tri-tw
> I bought 2 laser levels, cut a pieces of 2" aluminum flat stock
and velroed the levels to the bar stock, drilled holes in the ends
and used a bungi cord to afix to the main gear wheels in a level
position. Using a plumb line from the tail tip and nose wheel strut,
marked off the floor and drew a tight line to match the points.
>
> Inches from main Lft - cntr Rt-cntr
> 44" forward 47 1/2 47 7/16
> 134" fwd (hgr door) 91" (total)
> 102" aft 48 1/8 50 1/2
> Camber 3 deg in 0 deg
> Nose wheel 3 deg out/left (castering)
>
> During taxiing, there is a huge left pulling tendancy requires
full right rudder and right brake until you reach 25-30 mph then
still requires heavy rt rudder. This is far more than the natuaral
pull should be and I ass u me the slight variance of the
castering wheel would have minimal impact.
>
> 1) What should be the camber on a tri-gear ? (in or out)
> 2) Should there specific be a toe in angle ? If yes - what
degree ?
> 3) With this much variance, what is the best way to correct it ?
Shims etc?
>
>
> Any help is appreaciated.
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Re: Wheel Alignment

Robert Justin
 

----- Original Message -----
From: "Paul Buckley" <paulbuckley@...>
To: <Q-LIST@...>
Sent: Thursday, July 28, 2005 12:48 PM
Subject: Re: [Q-LIST] Re: Wheel Alignment


Tad

I have been searching for my TriQ conversion plans but at the moment I
can't find them (have moved workshop since I built the gear........ now I
can find nix!)
However, from memory I would say that there should be no toe in but a
little camber is OK.
According to a recent discussion, that left wheel camber will induce a
left turn, so I would adjust the camber on the right wheel to match the
left.
Offhand I would suggest using FLOX as the re-alignment medium (shim),
which is how it was set up in the first place.
I can't see that the castering nose wheel would have any effect at all.

Can any other TriQ builders help out with the plans alignment detail?

Paul Buckley
Cheshire, England
TriQ-200
still building................................................

----- Original Message -----
From: rebeccaandtad_simpson
To: Q-LIST@...
Sent: Thursday, July 28, 2005 12:02 PM
Subject: [Q-LIST] Re: Wheel Alignment


Paul,
When I first received my project, the left wheel had a broken valve
stem and I replaced the tire. I posted asking how tight it should be
when put the tire back on and the replies were hand tighten and
pin - ensure that it spins freely with minimum force - appears to be
about equal(lacks good measurement). I did some calculations after
the post and after searching some equations/calculators on the net.

If everything is correct, the right tire has an 8/10 deg more toe in
than the left (almost 1/3 more). I assume this plus the camber
difference in all 3 wheels is causing this left pull. I am hoping If
I get the specs for toe in and camber and adjust all 3 to specs,
this will be resolve (I am not smart enough to calculate how much
the opposing force is that is being created in the current
connfiguration to calculate the required realignment).

Thanks,
Tad Simpson


--- In Q-LIST@..., "Paul Buckley" <paulbuckley@o...>
wrote:
> Tad
>
> Can we assume that you have you checked that the left main wheel
is friction free and rotates with the same freedom as the
right.......brake not binding, tyre not rubbing, bearing free etc?
>
> Paul Buckley
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: Tad Simpson
> To: Dragonflylist@... ; Q-LIST@...
> Sent: Thursday, July 28, 2005 4:44 AM
> Subject: [Q-LIST] Wheel Alignment
>
>
> Using a modifed version of Dave Morris's suggestion for testing
wheel alignment in my tri-tw
> I bought 2 laser levels, cut a pieces of 2" aluminum flat stock
and velroed the levels to the bar stock, drilled holes in the ends
and used a bungi cord to afix to the main gear wheels in a level
position. Using a plumb line from the tail tip and nose wheel strut,
marked off the floor and drew a tight line to match the points.
>
> Inches from main Lft - cntr Rt-cntr
> 44" forward 47 1/2 47 7/16
> 134" fwd (hgr door) 91" (total)
> 102" aft 48 1/8 50 1/2
> Camber 3 deg in 0 deg
> Nose wheel 3 deg out/left (castering)
>
> During taxiing, there is a huge left pulling tendancy requires
full right rudder and right brake until you reach 25-30 mph then
still requires heavy rt rudder. This is far more than the natuaral
pull should be and I ass u me the slight variance of the
castering wheel would have minimal impact.
>
> 1) What should be the camber on a tri-gear ? (in or out)
> 2) Should there specific be a toe in angle ? If yes - what
degree ?
> 3) With this much variance, what is the best way to correct it ?
Shims etc?
>
>
> Any help is appreaciated.
>
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Re: Digest Number 1905

Stan Susman <stanpfa@...>
 

Hey gang, anyone going thru or near Indiana via ground in the future. I need to get my Q1 out to the west coast and am looking for Ideas . Fuel ect. provided.
Thanks, Stan

P/s Larry S. we may be able to split a hanger. SS

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There are 18 messages in this issue.

Topics in this digest:

1. Re: hello people
From: "jcrain2@..."
2. Re: about Quecki 2
From: "Jeff"
3. Re: about q-2
From: "Jeff"
4. Re: hello people
From: "Jeff"
5. Re: Re: about q-2
From: GeneKnapp2@...
6. about q-2
From: "razvan_chiriac"
7. Re: hello people
From: "razvan_chiriac"
8. RE: Re: hello people
From: "Dave"
9. Re: hello people
From: "Steve"
10. Ref: FAA notice N8700.42
From: "flywarrior"
11. Re: AirVenture Cup Race is tomorrow
From: "Tri-Q1"
12. Re: about Quecki 2
From: Mike Dwyer
13. Re: Re: about q-2
From: "Leon - C"
14. Re: about q-2
From: "razvan_chiriac"
15. Re: Re: about q-2
From: Mike Dwyer
16. Re: Re: hello people
From: "jcrain2@..."
17. Wheel Alignment
From: Tad Simpson
18. Re: Wheel Alignment
From: "Paul Buckley"



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Message: 1
Date: Wed, 27 Jul 2005 12:23:18 GMT
From: "jcrain2@..."
Subject: Re: hello people


Razvan,
1st you need to subscribe to Q-talk newsletter and then you can put an ad in to try and find a kit. Some kits will be untouched, some will be partially complete. The kits have the fuselage shells and hardware plus other components to build the Q2 (I like the Q200 better). You also receive templates for hot wiring the wings and control surfaces.
The fuselage molds were sold so they are not available.

Bruce Crain
N96BJ


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Message: 2
Date: Wed, 27 Jul 2005 13:08:04 -0000
From: "Jeff"
Subject: Re: about Quecki 2

The Q2 is a kit built airplane, you can not build the airplane from
just the plans. I guess if you wanted to spend a few years you
could build your own mould, but there is not enough information in
the kit assembly instructions to give you all the information you
need.

Jeff


--- In Q-LIST@..., "razvan_chiriac"
wrote:
hi

doues any one know where to find molds för this airplane?

I´m planing to by the airplane plans, does it include plans for
molds
to?

regards
razvan



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Message: 3
Date: Wed, 27 Jul 2005 13:09:49 -0000
From: "Jeff"
Subject: Re: about q-2

No and no.

Jeff

--- In Q-LIST@..., "razvan_chiriac"
wrote:
hi

I´m new on this list and I want to start by asking a qeuston.

can this Q2 be registrated as a UL-airplane?
can I use a modified VW 1/2 egine to power the airplane?

regards
the amator astronomer how dreams of flying



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Message: 4
Date: Wed, 27 Jul 2005 13:11:56 -0000
From: "Jeff"
Subject: Re: hello people

Probably 1/2 the guys on the list are at Oshkosh right now. If you
would search the archives you will probably find the answer to every
question you could ever imagine of thinking, especially very basic
questions.

Jeff

--- In Q-LIST@..., "razvan_chiriac"
wrote:
hi

can any of you aswer any of my earlyer questons?

I thought that if I joind this group I wold get some help in
starting
to build my own Q2 but no one aswers.

razvan




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Message: 5
Date: Wed, 27 Jul 2005 09:13:37 EDT
From: GeneKnapp2@...
Subject: Re: Re: about q-2

For a Q1, Yes ... for a Q2, NO WAY!!!

Gene

In a message dated 7/27/2005 8:11:33 AM Central Daylight Time,
jeffrey.letempt@... writes:
can I use a modified VW 1/2 egine to power the airplane?


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Message: 6
Date: Wed, 27 Jul 2005 13:31:26 -0000
From: "razvan_chiriac"
Subject: about q-2

hi

thankyou for the aswers.

regards
razvan




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Message: 7
Date: Wed, 27 Jul 2005 13:34:28 -0000
From: "razvan_chiriac"
Subject: Re: hello people

hi Bruce

I have know subscribed to Q-talk newsletter and I hope I can find
something.

Why do you like Q200 better then Q2 what is the difernce?

regards
razvan




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Message: 8
Date: Wed, 27 Jul 2005 09:46:21 -0400
From: "Dave"
Subject: RE: Re: hello people

You should spend some time looking over the FAQ's on the QBA website.

http://www.quickiebuilders.org/cgi-bin/smartfaq.cgi

That may help you with some of the basics.

Dave


-----Original Message-----
From: razvan_chiriac [mailto:razvan_chiriac@...]
Sent: Wednesday, July 27, 2005 9:34 AM
To: Q-LIST@...
Subject: [Q-LIST] Re: hello people

hi Bruce

I have know subscribed to Q-talk newsletter and I hope I can find
something.

Why do you like Q200 better then Q2 what is the difernce?

regards
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Message: 9
Date: Wed, 27 Jul 2005 10:47:55 -0700
From: "Steve"
Subject: Re: hello people

Ravan, Sometimes it takes a few days to recieve a reply. This is also a slow time with everyone taking vacations and Oskosh. If you look in the archives you will find 90% of the answers to your questions.

Good luck Steve Ham
----- Original Message -----
From: razvan_chiriac
To: Q-LIST@...
Sent: Wednesday, July 27, 2005 3:18 AM
Subject: [Q-LIST] hello people


hi

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I thought that if I joind this group I wold get some help in starting
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Message: 10
Date: Wed, 27 Jul 2005 11:23:08 -0500
From: "flywarrior"
Subject: Ref: FAA notice N8700.42

Subject:Experimental/Homebuilt Pilots required to have category and class rating to carry passengers.
Talked to FAA today. The St Louis Office researched this notice and stated that it covers only Light Spot and UltraLights aircraft.





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Message: 11
Date: Wed, 27 Jul 2005 19:53:46 -0000
From: "Tri-Q1"
Subject: Re: AirVenture Cup Race is tomorrow

So Sam has a:

#22, Quickee, Sam Hoskins, [time- 2:20:53], [speed-200.31].


Ryan

--- In Q-LIST@..., "Letempt, Jeffrey MR"
wrote:
Sam,

Congratulations on your second place finish!!!! 200.31 MPH over a
500 mile
course - WOW!!!!

Hope to see you later this week at AirVenture.

Jeff


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From: Q-LIST@... [mailto:Q-LIST@...]On
Behalf Of
Sam Hoskins
Sent: Saturday, July 23, 2005 9:45 AM
To: Q-LIST@...
Subject: [Q-LIST] AirVenture Cup Race is tomorrow


Guys, I'm just walking out the door and thought I'd let you know
about this
year's AirVenture Cup Race.

Today I fly to Wright Brothers - Dayton (KMGY) to stage for the
race.
http://www.airventure.org/2005/events/avcup/

There are six entrants in the Sprint Class (240 cu in or less); me,
four
Vari-Ezes, and a Mazda rotary powered RV-6. Rob Martinson is back
in his
very fast Vari-Eze.

Rob has won every year he has entered. He was out last year for
some very
serious health problems and I was able to take advantage of the
opportunity.
I may not be able to beat Rob, but I am creeping up on him.

Tomorrow, Sunday, the race goes from Dayton then we make runway
passes at
Rock Falls, IL (KSQI), Rockford, IL (KRFD), then the finish line is
a pass
at a private airport at Lomira, WI. We all land at Fond DuLac and
reconnoiter for a coordinated arrival into Oshkosh.

If you are interested, the race results will be posted at the link
above -
maybe in the evening.

I will be parked with the rest of the race planes on the main
flight line,
just north of show center. Be sure and stop by and say hi.

See you there!

Sam

www.samhoskins.blogspot.com





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Message: 12
Date: Wed, 27 Jul 2005 17:56:57 -0400
From: Mike Dwyer
Subject: Re: about Quecki 2

Hi Razvan,
I assume you are from Sweden. No the Q2 plans do not include mold
drawings. No, you can't make a Q2 from plans only, you need to purchase
the fuselage shells. There are probably 500 of them available in the
US. No one answered your question as I suppose no one has the molds?

Go buy an incomplete kit, it's the best way for you to go.

Happy Flying,
Mike Q200
http://www.geocities.com/fly-home/

razvan_chiriac wrote:

hi

doues any one know where to find molds för this airplane?

I´m planing to by the airplane plans, does it include plans for molds
to?

regards
razvan




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Message: 13
Date: Wed, 27 Jul 2005 16:20:30 -0600
From: "Leon - C"
Subject: Re: Re: about q-2


----- Original Message -----
From: "Jeff"

No and no.

Jeff
====================
If he is talking about a 1/2 VW (2 cylinder) the answer is no. If he means
a Tp1 or Tp 2 "VW 1/2" that answer would be yes. There was one scratch
built fuselage...........so it can be done. I wouldn't try.
++++++++++++++++
Leon McAtee

--- In Q-LIST@..., "razvan_chiriac"
wrote:
hi

I´m new on this list and I want to start by asking a qeuston.

can this Q2 be registrated as a UL-airplane?
can I use a modified VW 1/2 egine to power the airplane?

regards
the amator astronomer how dreams of flying






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Message: 14
Date: Wed, 27 Jul 2005 23:57:46 -0000
From: "razvan_chiriac"
Subject: Re: about q-2

Hi

What cind of engine do I use for Q2 if I want to fly it as a Ul-
airplane?

regards
razvan




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Message: 15
Date: Wed, 27 Jul 2005 20:11:41 -0400
From: Mike Dwyer
Subject: Re: Re: about q-2

Razvan,
You need to say what country, laws are different in each country. If U1
is an ultralight??? We have around 0 of these flying as US
ultralights. In the US, ultralights max out at 60 mph, can't carry 2
people, and a 180 mph plane doesn't even come close to qualifying in the
US. There are probably 0 flying in Sweden also.
Mike

razvan_chiriac wrote:

Hi

What cind of engine do I use for Q2 if I want to fly it as a Ul-
airplane?

regards
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Message: 16
Date: Thu, 28 Jul 2005 01:26:55 GMT
From: "jcrain2@..."
Subject: Re: Re: hello people


The Continental 0200 is faster and more reliable than the Rev-master or any of the VW engines.
Bruce


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Message: 17
Date: Wed, 27 Jul 2005 20:44:56 -0700 (PDT)
From: Tad Simpson
Subject: Wheel Alignment

Using a modifed version of Dave Morris's suggestion for testing wheel alignment in my tri-tw
I bought 2 laser levels, cut a pieces of 2" aluminum flat stock and velroed the levels to the bar stock, drilled holes in the ends and used a bungi cord to afix to the main gear wheels in a level position. Using a plumb line from the tail tip and nose wheel strut, marked off the floor and drew a tight line to match the points.

Inches from main Lft - cntr Rt-cntr
44" forward 47 1/2 47 7/16
134" fwd (hgr door) 91" (total)
102" aft 48 1/8 50 1/2
Camber 3 deg in 0 deg
Nose wheel 3 deg out/left (castering)

During taxiing, there is a huge left pulling tendancy requires full right rudder and right brake until you reach 25-30 mph then still requires heavy rt rudder. This is far more than the natuaral pull should be and I ass u me the slight variance of the castering wheel would have minimal impact.

1) What should be the camber on a tri-gear ? (in or out)
2) Should there specific be a toe in angle ? If yes - what degree ?
3) With this much variance, what is the best way to correct it ? Shims etc?


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Message: 18
Date: Thu, 28 Jul 2005 10:18:38 +0100
From: "Paul Buckley"

Subject: Re: Wheel Alignment

Tad

Can we assume that you have you checked that the left main wheel is friction free and rotates with the same freedom as the right.......brake not binding, tyre not rubbing, bearing free etc?

Paul Buckley
----- Original Message -----
From: Tad Simpson
To: Dragonflylist@... ; Q-LIST@...
Sent: Thursday, July 28, 2005 4:44 AM
Subject: [Q-LIST] Wheel Alignment


Using a modifed version of Dave Morris's suggestion for testing wheel alignment in my tri-tw
I bought 2 laser levels, cut a pieces of 2" aluminum flat stock and velroed the levels to the bar stock, drilled holes in the ends and used a bungi cord to afix to the main gear wheels in a level position. Using a plumb line from the tail tip and nose wheel strut, marked off the floor and drew a tight line to match the points.

Inches from main Lft - cntr Rt-cntr
44" forward 47 1/2 47 7/16
134" fwd (hgr door) 91" (total)
102" aft 48 1/8 50 1/2
Camber 3 deg in 0 deg
Nose wheel 3 deg out/left (castering)

During taxiing, there is a huge left pulling tendancy requires full right rudder and right brake until you reach 25-30 mph then still requires heavy rt rudder. This is far more than the natuaral pull should be and I ass u me the slight variance of the castering wheel would have minimal impact.

1) What should be the camber on a tri-gear ? (in or out)
2) Should there specific be a toe in angle ? If yes - what degree ?
3) With this much variance, what is the best way to correct it ? Shims etc?


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Re: aerotwin in quicky

Marinus B. &#92;(Ben&#92;) Bosma <ben@...>
 

Hi Mike,

No filament winding.

Using carbon fiber cloth over foam cores. I think it's better for all of us
to stay away from additional expense in equipment.

One thing I am doing is using a resin infusion technique vs. wet layup.
Either way is technically, infusion but in the wet layup technique the
builder attempts to infuse the resin into the fibers by "stippling" the
surface with a brush and mechanically forcing the resin into the fibers.
Frankly, the fibers want to be wetted anyway and most work done on behalf of
this process by the stippler is to give us the warm feeling that we're
useful. A low viscosity resin works into the fibers almost by itself.
There are lots of problems with low viscosity resins the least of which is
the obvious mess when you're trying to keep the resin flowing into the
fabric and not on the floor. I have problems with a popsicle in the summer
for the same reason I haven't mastered low viscosity resins on wet layups.
So, we resort to some assist and the best assist is a vacuum bag which helps
us draw the resin into the fabric using the same vacuum system used to clamp
the fabric to the mold walls. In this case the mold is the foam cores and
we're building the structure from the cores out. I am making molds but
that's another story.

Using vacuum infusion involves sucking the resin from a bucket on the floor
up a tube and into the bagged cores and fabric. The only additional tooling
is the bagging materials and a vacuum system. I'm further mitigating risk
by putting a second bag over the first bag with a spacer in between. By
putting a vacuum on both bags and modulating a very small differential I can
open the contact bag a little to create channels to expedite the flow of
resin. We have filled molds with resin in mere seconds using this
technique. That's way to scary for me since I'm trying to get a resin to
fiber fraction of 38% by weight for the system I'm using. Going too fast
might leave resin rich areas which doesn't hurt you structurally but, of
course adds weight.

I'm not there yet. 40-45% is where I am at this time.

Hand layup resin fraction varies from 100-200%, you can see why everyone's
ship varies so much on the scales for seemingly identical shapes.

Just for your information I'm using 12K 2X2 twill weave cloth against the
core and that's it. This is a very heavy cloth but also very strong. The
carbon fibers are 8microns in diameter and there are 12,000fibers per tow.
The twill weave seems to work into the nooks and cranies better than
straight weave. Rutan teaches bias cutting to fix that issue. The resin
is an epoxy made by Huntington and has a viscosity of 300millipoissons.
That's about 3 times heavier than some available polyester resins but very
strong $$$$ :-). The finished skin is .040 thick. When you consider that
aluminum skins are a lot thinner than that it's reasonable.

I'm sure I'll be changing my mind, throwing away money and hearing dozens of
pitches on engines until the cows come home. That's why they call them
EXPERIMENTAL isn't it?

-Ben

PS, this weekend my wife and I are jacking the roof on the hangar. The
doors are getting too tough to move. This is an annual ritual. We're
going to fly down to Nicholasville, KY where we're leaving the helicopter
for her last annual before selling her. Friends are meeting us there to
take our sad faces home.

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Sent: Friday, July 29, 2005 11:56 AM
To: Q-LIST@...
Subject: Re: [Q-LIST] aerotwin in quicky


Hi Ben

I¹ve been watching your correspondence and your professional knowledge
shines through brightly!!

³They are between 40-48hp. The UAV community uses them mostly without a
redrive or reduction
unit.²

I would not have guessed that, as I have been living under the (apparently)
mistaken belief that peak torque on a Wankel was at a higher than usable,
direct driven rpm. Interesting!! I guess I need to put together a a
spreadsheet to calculate tip speeds of varying diameter props?

Are CNC cut foam cores potentially a part of the overall equation?, Filament
wound fuselages?

Thanks for your reply!!

Mike

From: "Marinus B. &#92;(Ben&#92;) Bosma" <ben@...>
Reply-To: Q-LIST@...
Date: Fri, 29 Jul 2005 11:11:06 -0400
To: <Q-LIST@...>
Subject: RE: [Q-LIST] aerotwin in quicky
There are three serious players in a sub 100HP Wankel. They are between
40-48hp. The UAV community uses them mostly without a redrive or
reduction
unit. I am not a good propeller man so I'm having to teach myself what
the
optimum RPM/Hp/Diameter/Pitch combinations are. There are some good
software programs and spreadsheets out there but even they have a wide
band
of uncertainty. I think a dyno with a thrust measurement system on it is
the way to go and so I'll build that.

Also, trying to find a dyno to test it on. Mine only goes to 20Hp and
that's a stretch since it's only rated to 5Hp. If anyone has a 100Hp
dyno
for sale let me know.

I don't trust numbers from the factory on anything. I've finally gotten
some real numbers on composite modulus, tensile and compression.
Actually,
did layups and sent them to a lab. Today, I'll be getting numbers on the
V-Notched shear test which is not the same as a Charpy V-notch test.
Requires a special fixture. I may be the only builder with actual test
data
on various layups. One thing is for sure we can build a very light
Quickie
with carbon fiber and not compromise performance. I'm doing some tests
on
the QAC layup schedules as well to compare them.

This is a slow process but highly enjoyable for an old engineer like me.

-Ben
N124BB, Q1 in gestation
Tipp City, OH

_____

From: Q-LIST@... [mailto:Q-LIST@...] On Behalf Of
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Sent: Friday, July 29, 2005 10:53 AM
To: Q-LIST@...
Subject: [Q-LIST] aerotwin in quicky


Saw a couple of posts in the the archive in the Q Performance Group about
the AeroTwin
Motor for the Q1. Suitable motors for Quickies seems to be an ongoing
issue.
Ben, what is
the latest on the Rotary? Is this the former Norton?

Has any one looked into this further. At 90 lbs and 65 HP, it seems
pretty
close to the
mark!!! what does the experience base here say??

I did a quick and dirty mockup using Adobe Illustrator and the motor might
just
fit if mounted inverted. Thrust centerline is too low if mounted upright.
I'll post it
when I get it cleaned up. Just curious if any one else is interested. I
used
a 40 inch prop
length to start with and looks like plenty of clearance in level attitude.

Has any one got a decent scaled CAD three view of the Quickie I might
share to do a further
mockup. I can make my own, I would just like to bypass that step if
possible
to get to the
really interesting stuff. I can use DXF, DWGs 3dm etc, Thanks!!

Mike




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Re: aerotwin in quicky

mike twombley <twombleyw@...>
 

Hi Ben

I¹ve been watching your correspondence and your professional knowledge
shines through brightly!!

³They are between 40-48hp. The UAV community uses them mostly without a
redrive or reduction
unit.²

I would not have guessed that, as I have been living under the (apparently)
mistaken belief that peak torque on a Wankel was at a higher than usable,
direct driven rpm. Interesting!! I guess I need to put together a a
spreadsheet to calculate tip speeds of varying diameter props?

Are CNC cut foam cores potentially a part of the overall equation?, Filament
wound fuselages?

Thanks for your reply!!

Mike

From: "Marinus B. &#92;(Ben&#92;) Bosma" <ben@...>
Reply-To: Q-LIST@...
Date: Fri, 29 Jul 2005 11:11:06 -0400
To: <Q-LIST@...>
Subject: RE: [Q-LIST] aerotwin in quicky
There are three serious players in a sub 100HP Wankel. They are between
40-48hp. The UAV community uses them mostly without a redrive or reduction
unit. I am not a good propeller man so I'm having to teach myself what the
optimum RPM/Hp/Diameter/Pitch combinations are. There are some good
software programs and spreadsheets out there but even they have a wide band
of uncertainty. I think a dyno with a thrust measurement system on it is
the way to go and so I'll build that.

Also, trying to find a dyno to test it on. Mine only goes to 20Hp and
that's a stretch since it's only rated to 5Hp. If anyone has a 100Hp dyno
for sale let me know.

I don't trust numbers from the factory on anything. I've finally gotten
some real numbers on composite modulus, tensile and compression. Actually,
did layups and sent them to a lab. Today, I'll be getting numbers on the
V-Notched shear test which is not the same as a Charpy V-notch test.
Requires a special fixture. I may be the only builder with actual test data
on various layups. One thing is for sure we can build a very light Quickie
with carbon fiber and not compromise performance. I'm doing some tests on
the QAC layup schedules as well to compare them.

This is a slow process but highly enjoyable for an old engineer like me.

-Ben
N124BB, Q1 in gestation
Tipp City, OH

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From: Q-LIST@... [mailto:Q-LIST@...] On Behalf Of
twombleyw
Sent: Friday, July 29, 2005 10:53 AM
To: Q-LIST@...
Subject: [Q-LIST] aerotwin in quicky


Saw a couple of posts in the the archive in the Q Performance Group about
the AeroTwin
Motor for the Q1. Suitable motors for Quickies seems to be an ongoing issue.
Ben, what is
the latest on the Rotary? Is this the former Norton?

Has any one looked into this further. At 90 lbs and 65 HP, it seems pretty
close to the
mark!!! what does the experience base here say??

I did a quick and dirty mockup using Adobe Illustrator and the motor might
just
fit if mounted inverted. Thrust centerline is too low if mounted upright.
I'll post it
when I get it cleaned up. Just curious if any one else is interested. I used
a 40 inch prop
length to start with and looks like plenty of clearance in level attitude.

Has any one got a decent scaled CAD three view of the Quickie I might
share to do a further
mockup. I can make my own, I would just like to bypass that step if possible
to get to the
really interesting stuff. I can use DXF, DWGs 3dm etc, Thanks!!

Mike




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Re: aerotwin in quicky

Marinus B. &#92;(Ben&#92;) Bosma <ben@...>
 

There are three serious players in a sub 100HP Wankel. They are between
40-48hp. The UAV community uses them mostly without a redrive or reduction
unit. I am not a good propeller man so I'm having to teach myself what the
optimum RPM/Hp/Diameter/Pitch combinations are. There are some good
software programs and spreadsheets out there but even they have a wide band
of uncertainty. I think a dyno with a thrust measurement system on it is
the way to go and so I'll build that.

Also, trying to find a dyno to test it on. Mine only goes to 20Hp and
that's a stretch since it's only rated to 5Hp. If anyone has a 100Hp dyno
for sale let me know.

I don't trust numbers from the factory on anything. I've finally gotten
some real numbers on composite modulus, tensile and compression. Actually,
did layups and sent them to a lab. Today, I'll be getting numbers on the
V-Notched shear test which is not the same as a Charpy V-notch test.
Requires a special fixture. I may be the only builder with actual test data
on various layups. One thing is for sure we can build a very light Quickie
with carbon fiber and not compromise performance. I'm doing some tests on
the QAC layup schedules as well to compare them.

This is a slow process but highly enjoyable for an old engineer like me.

-Ben
N124BB, Q1 in gestation
Tipp City, OH

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From: Q-LIST@... [mailto:Q-LIST@...] On Behalf Of
twombleyw
Sent: Friday, July 29, 2005 10:53 AM
To: Q-LIST@...
Subject: [Q-LIST] aerotwin in quicky


Saw a couple of posts in the the archive in the Q Performance Group about
the AeroTwin
Motor for the Q1. Suitable motors for Quickies seems to be an ongoing issue.
Ben, what is
the latest on the Rotary? Is this the former Norton?

Has any one looked into this further. At 90 lbs and 65 HP, it seems pretty
close to the
mark!!! what does the experience base here say??

I did a quick and dirty mockup using Adobe Illustrator and the motor might
just
fit if mounted inverted. Thrust centerline is too low if mounted upright.
I'll post it
when I get it cleaned up. Just curious if any one else is interested. I used
a 40 inch prop
length to start with and looks like plenty of clearance in level attitude.

Has any one got a decent scaled CAD three view of the Quickie I might
share to do a further
mockup. I can make my own, I would just like to bypass that step if possible
to get to the
really interesting stuff. I can use DXF, DWGs 3dm etc, Thanks!!

Mike




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aerotwin in quicky

twombleyw <twombleyw@...>
 

Saw a couple of posts in the the archive in the Q Performance Group about the AeroTwin
Motor for the Q1. Suitable motors for Quickies seems to be an ongoing issue. Ben, what is
the latest on the Rotary? Is this the former Norton?

Has any one looked into this further. At 90 lbs and 65 HP, it seems pretty close to the
mark!!! what does the experience base here say??

I did a quick and dirty mockup using Adobe Illustrator and the motor might just
fit if mounted inverted. Thrust centerline is too low if mounted upright. I'll post it
when I get it cleaned up. Just curious if any one else is interested. I used a 40 inch prop
length to start with and looks like plenty of clearance in level attitude.

Has any one got a decent scaled CAD three view of the Quickie I might share to do a further
mockup. I can make my own, I would just like to bypass that step if possible to get to the
really interesting stuff. I can use DXF, DWGs 3dm etc, Thanks!!

Mike


Re: Wheel Alignment

Archer Family <blues@...>
 

You may be doing this, but I haven't read it. I would drop a plumb bob
front and rear of the fuselage centerline, snap a chalkline between the two,
make sure the airplane doesn't move, then do the measurements to each wheel
centerline from a point as far away as possible. That would tell if the
gear is square with the fuselage, provided it is centered left to right. I
was a little confused by your reported readings too. Picture's worth a
thousand words...

Bill Archer

-----Original Message-----
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Paul Buckley
Sent: Friday, July 29, 2005 7:21 AM
To: Q-LIST
Subject: Fw: [Q-LIST] Re: Wheel Alignment



Correction to my last post, my math was at fault! :-

The figure in line 'It is actually 2 and 1/8"............quite a way out'
is incorrect.
This measurement should read 2 and 3/8"

Hope no one was confused!

Paul Buckley



----- Original Message -----
From: Paul Buckley
To: Q-LIST@...
Sent: Friday, July 29, 2005 2:13 AM
Subject: Re: [Q-LIST] Re: Wheel Alignment


Tad

Earnest has a point. The gear bow attach points have been known to move due
sloppy or no shims, allowing the gear bow to swivel.

Your measurements for your wheel toe in/out do not make sense, comparing the
front to the rear, and I wonder if your gear is shifting as you make your
measurements.
At 44" forward there is only 1/16" difference between the two 'wheel to
centreline' measurements, so at 102" to the rear I would expect that
difference to be 1/16" X 2.4 (approx)
which is about 3/16". It is actually 2 and 1/8"..........quite a way out.
(I am not sure what your line '134" fwd (hgr door) 91"
(total)' means, btw)

Have you triangulated the the two main wheels from a fixed centre line point
way out in front, thus finding out if one wheel is further forward than the
other?
I still think that the differential camber is the main problem, though.

regards,
Paul Buckley

Inches from main Lft - cntr Rt-cntr
44" forward 47 1/2 47 7/16
134" fwd (hgr door) 91" (total)
102" aft 48 1/8 50 1/2


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Sent: Thursday, July 28, 2005 9:59 PM
Subject: Re: [Q-LIST] Re: Wheel Alignment


Tad,
Make sure that you gear has not shifted on the shaft saddle inside
the
gear fuselage box. It should be suspended the same distance from the
front
bulkhead on both sides. Some have been known to slip on this shaft.

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Fw: Re: Wheel Alignment

Paul Buckley
 

Correction to my last post, my math was at fault! :-

The figure in line 'It is actually 2 and 1/8"............quite a way out' is incorrect.
This measurement should read 2 and 3/8"

Hope no one was confused!

Paul Buckley

----- Original Message -----
From: Paul Buckley
To: Q-LIST@...
Sent: Friday, July 29, 2005 2:13 AM
Subject: Re: [Q-LIST] Re: Wheel Alignment


Tad

Earnest has a point. The gear bow attach points have been known to move due sloppy or no shims, allowing the gear bow to swivel.

Your measurements for your wheel toe in/out do not make sense, comparing the front to the rear, and I wonder if your gear is shifting as you make your measurements.
At 44" forward there is only 1/16" difference between the two 'wheel to centreline' measurements, so at 102" to the rear I would expect that difference to be 1/16" X 2.4 (approx)
which is about 3/16". It is actually 2 and 1/8"..........quite a way out.
(I am not sure what your line '134" fwd (hgr door) 91" (total)' means, btw)

Have you triangulated the the two main wheels from a fixed centre line point way out in front, thus finding out if one wheel is further forward than the other?
I still think that the differential camber is the main problem, though.

regards,
Paul Buckley

Inches from main Lft - cntr Rt-cntr
44" forward 47 1/2 47 7/16
134" fwd (hgr door) 91" (total)
102" aft 48 1/8 50 1/2


----- Original Message -----
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Subject: Re: [Q-LIST] Re: Wheel Alignment


Tad,
Make sure that you gear has not shifted on the shaft saddle inside the
gear fuselage box. It should be suspended the same distance from the front
bulkhead on both sides. Some have been known to slip on this shaft.

Earnest


Re: Wheel Alignment

Paul Buckley
 

Correction to my last post, my math was at fault! :-

The figure in line 'It is actually 2 and 1/8"..........quite a way out' is incorrect.

This measurement should read 2 an 3/8"

Hope no one was confused

Paul Buckley.

----- Original Message -----
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To: Q-LIST@...
Sent: Friday, July 29, 2005 2:13 AM
Subject: Re: [Q-LIST] Re: Wheel Alignment


Tad

Earnest has a point. The gear bow attach points have been known to move due sloppy or no shims, allowing the gear bow to swivel.

Your measurements for your wheel toe in/out do not make sense, comparing the front to the rear, and I wonder if your gear is shifting as you make your measurements.
At 44" forward there is only 1/16" difference between the two 'wheel to centreline' measurements, so at 102" to the rear I would expect that difference to be 1/16" X 2.4 (approx)
which is about 3/16". (I am not sure what your line '134" fwd (hgr door) 91" (total)' means, btw)

Have you triangulated the the two main wheels from a fixed centre line point way out in front, thus finding out if one wheel is further forward than the other?
I still think that the differential camber is the main problem, though.

regards,
Paul Buckley

Inches from main Lft - cntr Rt-cntr
44" forward 47 1/2 47 7/16
134" fwd (hgr door) 91" (total)
102" aft 48 1/8 50 1/2


----- Original Message -----
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Sent: Thursday, July 28, 2005 9:59 PM
Subject: Re: [Q-LIST] Re: Wheel Alignment


Tad,
Make sure that you gear has not shifted on the shaft saddle inside the
gear fuselage box. It should be suspended the same distance from the front
bulkhead on both sides. Some have been known to slip on this shaft.

Earnest





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Re: Taking a Poll

Jim Patillo
 

Well Ron that kinda rules you out, now doesn't it! Guess you better
quit being a builder and start becoming a flyer. We intend this to be
an on going event once we get the details worked out and a plan of
action in place. At this point we are only looking for flying Q's
that can be assembled on a given date, at our flyin. If there is
enough interest we'll try to make it happen but we need to know now
as we are approaching a deadline.

Jim P

- In Q-LIST@..., <rondefly@r...> wrote:
Sure, but I would have problems getting the engine started and over
the
mountain.

Ron T

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Re: Taking a Poll

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Sure, but I would have problems getting the engine started and over the
mountain.

Ron T

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Re: Wheel Alignment

Paul Buckley
 

Tad

Earnest has a point. The gear bow attach points have been known to move due sloppy or no shims, allowing the gear bow to swivel.

Your measurements for your wheel toe in/out do not make sense, comparing the front to the rear, and I wonder if your gear is shifting as you make your measurements.
At 44" forward there is only 1/16" difference between the two 'wheel to centreline' measurements, so at 102" to the rear I would expect that difference to be 1/16" X 2.4 (approx)
which is about 3/16". It is actually 2 and 1/8"..........quite a way out.
(I am not sure what your line '134" fwd (hgr door) 91" (total)' means, btw)

Have you triangulated the the two main wheels from a fixed centre line point way out in front, thus finding out if one wheel is further forward than the other?
I still think that the differential camber is the main problem, though.

regards,
Paul Buckley

Inches from main Lft - cntr Rt-cntr
44" forward 47 1/2 47 7/16
134" fwd (hgr door) 91" (total)
102" aft 48 1/8 50 1/2

----- Original Message -----
From: MartinErni@...
To: Q-LIST@...
Sent: Thursday, July 28, 2005 9:59 PM
Subject: Re: [Q-LIST] Re: Wheel Alignment


Tad,
Make sure that you gear has not shifted on the shaft saddle inside the
gear fuselage box. It should be suspended the same distance from the front
bulkhead on both sides. Some have been known to slip on this shaft.

Earnest


Taking a Poll

Jim Patillo
 

Anyone interested in getting their LS1 spar and canard Non Destructive
Tested "untrasound" at the upcoming Livermore Fly In August 19/20?

Jim Patillo N46JP Q200 LVK-More flying Q200's than anyplace on
earth".


Re: Wheel Alignment

Paul Buckley
 

Tad

I have been searching for my TriQ conversion plans but at the moment I can't find them (have moved workshop since I built the gear........ now I can find nix!)
However, from memory I would say that there should be no toe in but a little camber is OK.
According to a recent discussion, that left wheel camber will induce a left turn, so I would adjust the camber on the right wheel to match the left.
Offhand I would suggest using FLOX as the re-alignment medium (shim), which is how it was set up in the first place.
I can't see that the castering nose wheel would have any effect at all.

Can any other TriQ builders help out with the plans alignment detail?

Paul Buckley
Cheshire, England
TriQ-200
still building................................................

----- Original Message -----
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Sent: Thursday, July 28, 2005 12:02 PM
Subject: [Q-LIST] Re: Wheel Alignment


Paul,
When I first received my project, the left wheel had a broken valve
stem and I replaced the tire. I posted asking how tight it should be
when put the tire back on and the replies were hand tighten and
pin - ensure that it spins freely with minimum force - appears to be
about equal(lacks good measurement). I did some calculations after
the post and after searching some equations/calculators on the net.

If everything is correct, the right tire has an 8/10 deg more toe in
than the left (almost 1/3 more). I assume this plus the camber
difference in all 3 wheels is causing this left pull. I am hoping If
I get the specs for toe in and camber and adjust all 3 to specs,
this will be resolve (I am not smart enough to calculate how much
the opposing force is that is being created in the current
connfiguration to calculate the required realignment).

Thanks,
Tad Simpson


--- In Q-LIST@..., "Paul Buckley" <paulbuckley@o...>
wrote:
> Tad
>
> Can we assume that you have you checked that the left main wheel
is friction free and rotates with the same freedom as the
right.......brake not binding, tyre not rubbing, bearing free etc?
>
> Paul Buckley
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: Tad Simpson
> To: Dragonflylist@... ; Q-LIST@...
> Sent: Thursday, July 28, 2005 4:44 AM
> Subject: [Q-LIST] Wheel Alignment
>
>
> Using a modifed version of Dave Morris's suggestion for testing
wheel alignment in my tri-tw
> I bought 2 laser levels, cut a pieces of 2" aluminum flat stock
and velroed the levels to the bar stock, drilled holes in the ends
and used a bungi cord to afix to the main gear wheels in a level
position. Using a plumb line from the tail tip and nose wheel strut,
marked off the floor and drew a tight line to match the points.
>
> Inches from main Lft - cntr Rt-cntr
> 44" forward 47 1/2 47 7/16
> 134" fwd (hgr door) 91" (total)
> 102" aft 48 1/8 50 1/2
> Camber 3 deg in 0 deg
> Nose wheel 3 deg out/left (castering)
>
> During taxiing, there is a huge left pulling tendancy requires
full right rudder and right brake until you reach 25-30 mph then
still requires heavy rt rudder. This is far more than the natuaral
pull should be and I ass u me the slight variance of the
castering wheel would have minimal impact.
>
> 1) What should be the camber on a tri-gear ? (in or out)
> 2) Should there specific be a toe in angle ? If yes - what
degree ?
> 3) With this much variance, what is the best way to correct it ?
Shims etc?
>
>
> Any help is appreaciated.
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