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Re: Engines - Long read editorial

Jim Patillo
 

Earnest,

Well you got your technical advisors, your got your flight advisors
and then you got your ground or "ass-phalt" advisors as David points
out. We're the ones who've been there, done that and sit on the ground
squirming & wringing our hands and advise from that same pompous
location.

Jim Patillo Ground & Asphalt Advisor! ESQ.

--- In Q-LIST@..., MartinErni@a... wrote:
So I am the straight guy.
Earnest



FW: Prop choice

Patrick Panzera <panzera@...>
 

-----Original Message-----
From: John P Moyle [mailto:jmoyle1@...]
Sent: Thursday, September 08, 2005 7:34 PM
To: panzera@...
Subject: [Q-LIST] Prop choice

Dawie,

We recommend you try the WoodComp Klassic 150. This is a 59"
diameter three blade ground adjustable unit of hot formed carbon fiber
shell construction. Three is a C/F internal tubular spar within the blade
for rigidity. This unit has very low inertial mass, as the blades are
extremely light weight. The blades are beautifully tapered and famous for
their quietness compared to the competition's product. The hub has a
terrific track record. This is the most popular prop in Europe!

We are the importer/distributor of WoodComp products in the USA,
and are fans of tandem wing aircraft, too. We are in the data gathering
mode and would be pleased to sell you a prop at "airshow discount price"
and offer you the opportunity to try it for 30 days with a money back
guarantee. If it fails to meet you expectations, return it for a full
refund ( less in country shipping costs from Fresno, CA, round trip ) all
we ask is that you provide info on your performance discoveries.

Please visit www.grandaero.com for more information, or contact
me directly @ john@... as I'd be happy to assist in any way
possible. I will need to know what your prop hub style is...bolt size and
prop bolt circle diameter.

John Moyle
Managing Director
Grand Aero, LLC


Hi All,

If this topic has been discussed to death before, please shut me up
and I'll
go dig through the archives.

I mentioned recently that I need to replace my prop on my Subaru
EA82
powered Quickie. I looked at what is available and now I'm a very
confused
individual. I made up my mind that I want a ground adjustable prop.
I also
heard that although extremely popular, the Warp Drive is not the
most
efficient, especially for faster aircraft. The response from them
was also
not too impressive, as they recommended a 64" prop after I specified
a max
diameter of 60" !

Anyhow, now it is between Warp, Aero, Woodcomp, GSC ..... Back to
basics:
What are the real advantages/disadvantages of wood vs composites? I
was
convinced that carbon fibre was good, from a rain and other damage
point of
view, but there is also a school of thought that says that carbon is
too
rigid !

A few opinions from real Quickie flyers would be quite useful. I'm
sure that
many of you have been through this before.

Fly safely,

Dawie


FW: Carbon Fiber props

Patrick Panzera <panzera@...>
 

-----Original Message-----
From: John P Moyle [mailto:jmoyle1@...]
Sent: Thursday, September 08, 2005 9:29 PM
To: panzera@...
Subject: [Q-LIST] Carbon Fiber props

Peter,

Pat Panzera forwarded your post to me. My company is the U.S.
importer of WoodComp props from Europe. We have ground adjustable C/F
props, and also wood/composite props which we believe are superior to
either the Ivoprop or the Warp Drive. We are willing to sell a prop to
anyone with the understanding that if it fails to meet your needs, we
will except it's return within 30 days, and provide the buyer with a full
refund. Your only risk would be the cost of round trip shipping from
Fresno, CA

We are confident that the WoodComp propeller will satisfy you.
See what we have to offer at www.grandaero.com ! If you send an inquiry
via the web site, please include particulars such as airframe, engine,
bolt pattern diameter, etc.

Best regards,

John Moyle
Managing Director
Grand Aero, LLC


I am using a warp Drive three blades 60" but because of a 3:1
gearbox I am set
at 24deg pitch that is a lot of pitch. I think you will find Warp
Drive standard
dia is 64" and you cut it down to 60" but this then means it has no
taper which
could affect efficiency.The CF is very brittle..I have been looking
at an
electric Ivoprop which is used here on the 2/3 Spitfire with 200HP
but I don't
really like the pitch adjuster and Warp drive blades are more
robust.I have done
some calcs which suggest we need a smaller 56" dia with more pitch,
but that is
hard to believe. Theoretically 2 blades are about 5% more efficient
than three.
Like you I am looking for other alternatives and would like to get
some good
advice.
Peter


Re: Engines - Long read editorial

David J. Gall
 

----- Original Message -----
From: MartinErni@...
To: Q-LIST@...
Subject: Re: [Q-LIST] Engines - Long read editorial
Date: Fri, 9 Sep 2005 13:21:55 EDT

...what the hell is an asphalt advisor?
Someone who advises you when your 'as' has a 'phalt', of course. :)


Engines - Long read editorial

Jim Patillo
 

Fella's,

I hope you take this message the way its intended cause I realize we
are all experimental in this business.

I don't know much but alls' I know is; "anyone who willingly puts
his or his family/friends butts on the line to fly with any engine
except one that is approved for airplane flight with a gazillion
hours of proven performance may or could be considered nuts". What
am I missing here? Many have gone before you and with their lives
proven what works and what doesn't. Why tempt fate anymore than you
have to? At best anything you install on one of these planes is in a
failure mode the second it is installed. If you fly it long enough,
it will fail. Why provoke the evil gremlins of flight.

New guys seriously consider sticking with proven engines. Trust me,
you will have way to many other things happening during your first
flights to throw a failed engine into the frey.

The 0200 may be old and expensive but you can damn near decapitate
it and it still works. If its got gas, air and spark it will run.

A couple of years ago I had a seal fail on one of the push rod tubes
and ran the engine out of oil quickly about 40 miles from my
airport. I started to make a forced landing in the central valley of
California but with minimal RPM and oil pressure limped back to LVK.
When I pulled off the runway, the engine quit. I thought for sure
it was fried. After cutting the filter apart and finding no metal, I
changed the 15W-50 oil and filter still expecting the worst. I
started the engine but to my suprise it worked as if nothing had
happened. I did a compression check and all cylinders were fine. It
now has several hundred hours since the failure and still going
strong. Look at the history of the Q200. The engine that has worked
sucessfully over the years is the 0200.

The Jabiru 3300 appears to be a good option for this bird but
there's little docummented performance or longevity numbers to back
it up at this point. Time will tell.

You can spend 8-12K for a pumped up modernized 0200 or 11-12K for
the new Jabiru 6. Which one is for you? The other options may be
cheaper but how much is your life worth?

Regards,
Jim Patillo N46JP Q200 - Technical ground & asphalt advisor
LVK-"More flying Q200's than any place on earth".


Re: Carbon Fiber props

Peter Harris <peterjfharris@...>
 

Thanks Ryan wilco.
Peter

----- Original Message -----
From: Peter Harris
To: Q-LIST@...
Sent: Saturday, September 10, 2005 12:28 AM
Subject: Re: [Q-LIST] Carbon Fiber props


Thanks John I have had a hunch that glass over wood is best and will check your website. Thanks to Pat for the referral.
Peter
----- Original Message -----
From: Patrick Panzera
To: Q-LIST@...
Sent: Saturday, September 10, 2005 3:47 AM
Subject: FW: [Q-LIST] Carbon Fiber props




-----Original Message-----
From: John P Moyle [mailto:jmoyle1@...]
Sent: Thursday, September 08, 2005 9:29 PM
To: panzera@...
Subject: [Q-LIST] Carbon Fiber props

Peter,

Pat Panzera forwarded your post to me. My company is the U.S.
importer of WoodComp props from Europe. We have ground adjustable C/F
props, and also wood/composite props which we believe are superior to
either the Ivoprop or the Warp Drive. We are willing to sell a prop to
anyone with the understanding that if it fails to meet your needs, we
will except it's return within 30 days, and provide the buyer with a full
refund. Your only risk would be the cost of round trip shipping from
Fresno, CA

We are confident that the WoodComp propeller will satisfy you.
See what we have to offer at www.grandaero.com ! If you send an inquiry
via the web site, please include particulars such as airframe, engine,
bolt pattern diameter, etc.

Best regards,

John Moyle
Managing Director
Grand Aero, LLC


> I am using a warp Drive three blades 60" but because of a 3:1
> gearbox I am set
> at 24deg pitch that is a lot of pitch. I think you will find Warp
> Drive standard
> dia is 64" and you cut it down to 60" but this then means it has no
> taper which
> could affect efficiency.The CF is very brittle..I have been looking
> at an
> electric Ivoprop which is used here on the 2/3 Spitfire with 200HP
> but I don't
> really like the pitch adjuster and Warp drive blades are more
> robust.I have done
> some calcs which suggest we need a smaller 56" dia with more pitch,
> but that is
> hard to believe. Theoretically 2 blades are about 5% more efficient
> than three.
> Like you I am looking for other alternatives and would like to get
> some good
> advice.
> Peter



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Re: Another crash

Peter Harris <peterjfharris@...>
 

Steve was thia an engine failure?
Peter

----- Original Message -----
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To: Q-LIST@...
Sent: Friday, September 09, 2005 12:23 PM
Subject: Re: [Q-LIST] Another crash


A turbocharged EA81.


Steve Ham
----- Original Message -----
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Sent: Thursday, September 08, 2005 11:19 AM
Subject: Re: [Q-LIST] Another crash


What engine was he using?

--- "Steve" <sham@...> wrote:

From: "Steve" <sham@...>
Date: Wed, 7 Sep 2005 17:53:14 -0700
To: <Q-LIST@...>
Subject: Re: [Q-LIST] Another crash
Just talked to Dave. He has a sore back but everything else is
fine. Had a stuck valve and landed short. Lost the right
canard. Once again a pretty tought airframe.
Steve Ham
----- Original Message -----
From: Doug Humble
To: Q-List
Sent: Wednesday, September 07, 2005 10:26 AM
Subject: [Q-LIST] Another crash

http://www.faa.gov/data_statistics/accident_incident/preliminar
y_data/media/M_0907_N.txt
I believe this Q2 is owned by Dave Hudak of Kalispell MT.
No fatalities, but substantial damage. Anyone have any more
info on this crash?
Doug "Hawkeye" Humble
www.asignabove.net
Omaha NE
N25974

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Re: Carbon Fiber props

Peter Harris <peterjfharris@...>
 

Thanks John I have had a hunch that glass over wood is best and will check your website. Thanks to Pat for the referral.
Peter

----- Original Message -----
From: Patrick Panzera
To: Q-LIST@...
Sent: Saturday, September 10, 2005 3:47 AM
Subject: FW: [Q-LIST] Carbon Fiber props




-----Original Message-----
From: John P Moyle [mailto:jmoyle1@...]
Sent: Thursday, September 08, 2005 9:29 PM
To: panzera@...
Subject: [Q-LIST] Carbon Fiber props

Peter,

Pat Panzera forwarded your post to me. My company is the U.S.
importer of WoodComp props from Europe. We have ground adjustable C/F
props, and also wood/composite props which we believe are superior to
either the Ivoprop or the Warp Drive. We are willing to sell a prop to
anyone with the understanding that if it fails to meet your needs, we
will except it's return within 30 days, and provide the buyer with a full
refund. Your only risk would be the cost of round trip shipping from
Fresno, CA

We are confident that the WoodComp propeller will satisfy you.
See what we have to offer at www.grandaero.com ! If you send an inquiry
via the web site, please include particulars such as airframe, engine,
bolt pattern diameter, etc.

Best regards,

John Moyle
Managing Director
Grand Aero, LLC


> I am using a warp Drive three blades 60" but because of a 3:1
> gearbox I am set
> at 24deg pitch that is a lot of pitch. I think you will find Warp
> Drive standard
> dia is 64" and you cut it down to 60" but this then means it has no
> taper which
> could affect efficiency.The CF is very brittle..I have been looking
> at an
> electric Ivoprop which is used here on the 2/3 Spitfire with 200HP
> but I don't
> really like the pitch adjuster and Warp drive blades are more
> robust.I have done
> some calcs which suggest we need a smaller 56" dia with more pitch,
> but that is
> hard to believe. Theoretically 2 blades are about 5% more efficient
> than three.
> Like you I am looking for other alternatives and would like to get
> some good
> advice.
> Peter



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Re: Engines - Long read editorial

MartinErni@...
 

So I am the straight guy.
Earnest


Re: Engines - Long read editorial

MartinErni@...
 

Jim,
Thanks for expressing my opinion so nicely. But, what the hell is an
asphalt advisor?
Earnest


Re: Rotary Engine /Suby Q?

Jepsen Electronics Ltd <njepsen@...>
 

Peter
My neighbour grinds camshafts for NZ and Aust and has a master for an EA81 I thuink that has been successful in at least 1 A/C that I know of that is flying here in Palm Nth.
neil

Peter Harris wrote:

After all the hours and all the adrenalin I am now going to remove the Norton from my Q and offer it for a 100HP gocart because yesterday while starting up ,one of the rotors disengaged from the sun gear and jammed the motor. It has disengaged and slipped by one tooth and that is enough to stop the engine. According to the advice I have had from Mazda rotary racers this never happens for Mazda.
I now sadly regard the Norton as unsuitable for manned flight, and looking for info on the Subaru . There is a shop here that does conversions by changing the cam for max torque at 4200rpm and this seems to be successful. I would be grateful for any info on the Suby Q.
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Re: Another crash

Steve <sham@...>
 

A turbocharged EA81.


Steve Ham

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Sent: Thursday, September 08, 2005 11:19 AM
Subject: Re: [Q-LIST] Another crash


What engine was he using?

--- "Steve" <sham@...> wrote:

From: "Steve" <sham@...>
Date: Wed, 7 Sep 2005 17:53:14 -0700
To: <Q-LIST@...>
Subject: Re: [Q-LIST] Another crash
Just talked to Dave. He has a sore back but everything else is
fine. Had a stuck valve and landed short. Lost the right
canard. Once again a pretty tought airframe.
Steve Ham
----- Original Message -----
From: Doug Humble
To: Q-List
Sent: Wednesday, September 07, 2005 10:26 AM
Subject: [Q-LIST] Another crash

http://www.faa.gov/data_statistics/accident_incident/preliminar
y_data/media/M_0907_N.txt
I believe this Q2 is owned by Dave Hudak of Kalispell MT.
No fatalities, but substantial damage. Anyone have any more
info on this crash?
Doug "Hawkeye" Humble
www.asignabove.net
Omaha NE
N25974

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Re: Rotary Engine /Suby Q?

Peter Harris <peterjfharris@...>
 

Thanks Neil. Just now getting info together and will keep that reference.
Peter (EXrotaryQ) starting over.

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Subject: Re: [Q-LIST] Rotary Engine /Suby Q?


Peter
My neighbour grinds camshafts for NZ and Aust and has a master
for an EA81 I thuink that has been successful in at least 1 A/C that I
know of that is flying here in Palm Nth.
neil

Peter Harris wrote:

> After all the hours and all the adrenalin I am now going to remove the
> Norton from my Q and offer it for a 100HP gocart because yesterday
> while starting up ,one of the rotors disengaged from the sun gear and
> jammed the motor. It has disengaged and slipped by one tooth and that
> is enough to stop the engine. According to the advice I have had from
> Mazda rotary racers this never happens for Mazda.
> I now sadly regard the Norton as unsuitable for manned flight, and
> looking for info on the Subaru . There is a shop here that does
> conversions by changing the cam for max torque at 4200rpm and this
> seems to be successful. I would be grateful for any info on the Suby Q.
> Peter
>
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Re: THANKS FOR REPLY

Patrick Panzera <panzera@...>
 

Pat, thank you for the (very useful)info about the Corvair conversion, I
appreciate your taking the time to respond.
My pleasure.

Can you tell me more about what
goes on at the Jr. College?.
It's just a fancy name for a full-blown engine forum, complete with static
displays and an engine run or two. We'll be at the event all day so those
attending can pick our brains first hand, touch and play with parts, bring their
own parts for inspection and/or advice, or even to assemble.

With a "real" Corvair college, you get William, Kevin, Gus and maybe Steve to
help you either tear down or assemble your engine, in William's shop, using some
of his specialty tools etc. A jr. college is a glorified hangar BS session that
can be as beneficial as you choose to make it.

I live in Chicago and I'd love to
attend(depending on where Falbob is located, Please tell me its in the
midwest!! :-)).
No, sorry, it's out west, near Riverside Ca. (So Cal)

I think that I'll also attend the Corvair College # 9 at
William Wynne's home base in Florida in november.
Great idea! It's a great way to really get the ball rolling.

Pat


THANKS FOR REPLY

marmen6220
 

Pat, thank you for the (very useful)info about the Corvair conversion, I appreciate your taking the time to respond. Can you tell me more about what goes on at the Jr. College?. I live in Chicago and I'd love to attend(depending on where Falbob is located, Please tell me its in the midwest!! :-)). I think that I'll also attend the Corvair College # 9 at William Wynne's home base in Florida in november.Hopefully I'l find an engine by then..."anybody out there have an extra one?...."
Mario Mendoza in
Chicago

----- Original Message -----
From: "Patrick Panzera" <panzera@...>
To: Q-LIST@...
Subject: [Q-LIST] Corvair Engine Cost
Date: Thu, 8 Sep 2005 14:42:31 -0700



While we're on the subject, does anyone know what the cost for an
average Corvair conversion is? I know there are many variables, but in
his website WW says $2,600.00 or less (although that info may be
dated) I will be doing one and have NO IDEA how much I should plan
for. For those who have already finished theirs:
How much did you end up spending?
This info is dated as well, but it's nearing 2x the $2,600 quoted.
http://www.experimental-aviation.com/Corvair/Engine_cost.html

One must first decide on what level of conversion one wants, and
how much he can
do by himself.

If a guy finds a good running car engine for $300 and opts to leave some HP on
the table and not change out the cam and also run with the stock,
single points
ignition system, and he also has a lathe (to make the prop hub) and opts for
hand propping, the conversion COULD be under $1,000.

But if a guy is on the other end of the spectrum and wants a true
zero-time (or
0-SMOH if you prefer) engine and wants to eek every potential pony out of his
hand work, and get 1000+ hours TBO (minimum) and pays for
everything to be done
for him (such as a valve job, and buying the prop hub already
built, as well as
the starter kit William offers) then he should slate a MINIMUM of $5,000 for a
FWF installation, which would exclude prop, spinner, engine mount and cowl.

How much of the work did you do or have someone else do it for you?
The link above shows what it cost me to build an engine using as much William
Wynne parts as are available. But my previous engine build had me
making all of
the specialty parts (except the prop hub) as William was not
producing any more
than just the hub.

Was it as easy/difficult as you though it would be?
Way easier.

Were parts easy to acquire?
Totally easy from a good selection or suppliers, including NAPA and AutoZone.

Would you do it again?
Absolutely.

Should I try to do a conversion if I am not very mechanically inclined?
If you can build a plane, you can build this engine.

Could you get it done with a combination of working on your own and
atending "Corvair Colleges"?
Absolutely. Where are you located? We'll be having a Jr College at
Flabob on the
24th of this month. We'll also be presenting information on the
Revmaster R-3000
and the Elippse propeller at the same engine workshop.

Pat

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Rotary Engine /Suby Q?

Peter Harris <peterjfharris@...>
 

After all the hours and all the adrenalin I am now going to remove the Norton from my Q and offer it for a 100HP gocart because yesterday while starting up ,one of the rotors disengaged from the sun gear and jammed the motor. It has disengaged and slipped by one tooth and that is enough to stop the engine. According to the advice I have had from Mazda rotary racers this never happens for Mazda.
I now sadly regard the Norton as unsuitable for manned flight, and looking for info on the Subaru . There is a shop here that does conversions by changing the cam for max torque at 4200rpm and this seems to be successful. I would be grateful for any info on the Suby Q.
Peter


Engine Choices

Patrick Panzera <panzera@...>
 

The reason I bring this up is the crankshaft failures we have been hearing
about lately. Have the breaks been in that area that you know of? Maybe Pat
can shed some light on this for those interested in Corvair.
Hi Ron,

The failures you've heard about could not be related to the safety shaft
concern.
http://home.hiwaay.net/~langford/corvair/flexplate/problem.html

Pat


Corvair Engine Cost

Patrick Panzera <panzera@...>
 

While we're on the subject, does anyone know what the cost for an
average Corvair conversion is? I know there are many variables, but in
his website WW says $2,600.00 or less (although that info may be
dated) I will be doing one and have NO IDEA how much I should plan
for. For those who have already finished theirs:
How much did you end up spending?
This info is dated as well, but it's nearing 2x the $2,600 quoted.
http://www.experimental-aviation.com/Corvair/Engine_cost.html

One must first decide on what level of conversion one wants, and how much he can
do by himself.

If a guy finds a good running car engine for $300 and opts to leave some HP on
the table and not change out the cam and also run with the stock, single points
ignition system, and he also has a lathe (to make the prop hub) and opts for
hand propping, the conversion COULD be under $1,000.

But if a guy is on the other end of the spectrum and wants a true zero-time (or
0-SMOH if you prefer) engine and wants to eek every potential pony out of his
hand work, and get 1000+ hours TBO (minimum) and pays for everything to be done
for him (such as a valve job, and buying the prop hub already built, as well as
the starter kit William offers) then he should slate a MINIMUM of $5,000 for a
FWF installation, which would exclude prop, spinner, engine mount and cowl.

How much of the work did you do or have someone else do it for you?
The link above shows what it cost me to build an engine using as much William
Wynne parts as are available. But my previous engine build had me making all of
the specialty parts (except the prop hub) as William was not producing any more
than just the hub.

Was it as easy/difficult as you though it would be?
Way easier.

Were parts easy to acquire?
Totally easy from a good selection or suppliers, including NAPA and AutoZone.

Would you do it again?
Absolutely.

Should I try to do a conversion if I am not very mechanically inclined?
If you can build a plane, you can build this engine.

Could you get it done with a combination of working on your own and
atending "Corvair Colleges"?
Absolutely. Where are you located? We'll be having a Jr College at Flabob on the
24th of this month. We'll also be presenting information on the Revmaster R-3000
and the Elippse propeller at the same engine workshop.

Pat


Re: Another crash

raoborg@...
 

What engine was he using?

--- "Steve" <sham@...> wrote:

From: "Steve" <sham@...>
Date: Wed, 7 Sep 2005 17:53:14 -0700
To: <Q-LIST@...>
Subject: Re: [Q-LIST] Another crash
Just talked to Dave. He has a sore back but everything else is
fine. Had a stuck valve and landed short. Lost the right
canard. Once again a pretty tought airframe.
Steve Ham

----- Original Message -----
From: Doug Humble
To: Q-List
Sent: Wednesday, September 07, 2005 10:26 AM
Subject: [Q-LIST] Another crash

http://www.faa.gov/data_statistics/accident_incident/preliminar
y_data/media/M_0907_N.txt
I believe this Q2 is owned by Dave Hudak of Kalispell MT.
No fatalities, but substantial damage. Anyone have any more
info on this crash?
Doug "Hawkeye" Humble
www.asignabove.net
Omaha NE
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Re: 503 data for Q1

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If you have any parts left over from the 447 let me know as I need to put a
re-drive belt setup on my 503. you can contact me off list.
rondefly@... <mailto:rondefly@...> .
Thanks

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Sent: Thursday, September 08, 2005 8:23 AM
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Subject: [Q-LIST] 503 data for Q1

i have aquired a Q1 with a Rotax 447 and as i
have a "new" 503 i intend to change it over the
winter

i wouls really appreciate ant data - tips - files
that may help me

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