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Re: 40.3

Sam Kittle
 

Congratulations Dave,

This must be quite a feeling, I am sure we will all want to hear about the first ride for Susie.

Regards,
Sam

Dave wrote:

Yesterday around sunset I touched down in my Tri-Q2 after an hour and a
half of stability and climb/glide data collection at gross weight and my
total flight hours are 40.3. I am finally ready to sign off the logbook
for the completion of the FAA phase one restrictions.

I have nothing but the deepest admiration and respect for those who have
contributed so much to help make this not only possible but safe and
successful. I will always be in your debt.

Thank you. Thank you all for your help with this lifelong goal.

Dave Richardson
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Accident report N1711Q

Doug Humble <hawkidoug@...>
 

It has been brought to my attention that a Q200 owned by Harry Scarfe had an accident in the last few days. The FAA report indicates the aircraft hit a PAPI light and flipped over resulting in injuries but no fatalities. The aircraft had substantial damage. Harry is from St. Helena Is. SC.

Anyone one else have more info.?

Doug "Hawkeye" Humble
www.asignabove.net
Omaha NE
N25974


Re: Radio antenna

Paul Spackman
 

Bruce,

I am using a modified Whiteside antenna (Q-Talk #42 P.4). I checked
it with a VSWR meter and made some change to the balum but did not
keep any notes, darn. Were you thinking of the transponter antenna
that I purchased? I did not test that but it is working great.

Paul Spackman

--- In Q-LIST@..., "jcrain2@j..." <jcrain2@j...> wrote:

Paul Spackman,
My friend Gene has a Lancair with a ribbon antenna in the vertical
(for comm). I don't know if it is just like yours so bare with me
(no don't take off your clothes not that kind of bare).
Gene says that when checked with a Fluke meter it tested as closed
so it was shorted. Bevan Rabel in Wichita says that sometimes the
ribbon antennas show a closed circuit. Did yours show closed when
you tested it upon installation.

Bruce Crain
N96BJ


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Re: The difficulty of high-lift devices for tandem wing aircraft (long)

Leon - C <leon@...>
 

----- Original Message -----
From: "slottedflaps" <quinnj@...>
To: <Q-LIST@...>
Sent: Sunday, October 30, 2005 11:06 PM
Subject: [Q-LIST] The difficulty of high-lift devices for tandem wing
aircraft (long)


Good evening Quickie group,

I'm a third year mechanical engineering student who wants a corvair
powered Q2 but I'm unwilling to fly an aircraft that lands at 90mph
with a passenger.
You are probably going to find that the general opinion of this group is
that you should.............Build/look for another plane!

We have been over this ground before and it kind of resulted in forming a
second group "Q-performance" to hash out modifications like this. I'm of
the camp that believes there is room for improvement in this area, but do
agree with most of the others here that if you want to fly something like a
Q in a reasonable amount of time stick to the plans and other proven
modifications.

Ask your question again on the Q-performance board and I think you will get
some feed back.
=======================
Leon McAtee
Building something like a Q-1


Re: 40.3

shoskins@...
 

Dave, that is just great. I'm so glad all was successful.

You did it all the right way. You gathered information, you sought qualified
advice, you developed a solid plan and you executed it. I welcome another
Quickie role model.

Fly a lot. Then when you get 300 hours on it, you can switch from the
Revmaster to the O-200!

Sam Hoskins
Murphysboro, IL
www.samhoskins.blogspot.com


Re: 40.3

Doug Humble <hawkidoug@...>
 

Way to go Dave! When are you flying to Omaha for a visit?

Doug "Hawkeye" Humble
www.asignabove.net
Omaha NE
N25974

----- Original Message -----
From: "Dave" <dave@...>
To: <Q-LIST@...>
Sent: Monday, October 31, 2005 8:33 AM
Subject: [Q-LIST] 40.3


Yesterday around sunset I touched down in my Tri-Q2 after an hour and a
half of stability and climb/glide data collection at gross weight and my
total flight hours are 40.3. I am finally ready to sign off the logbook
for the completion of the FAA phase one restrictions.

I have nothing but the deepest admiration and respect for those who have
contributed so much to help make this not only possible but safe and
successful. I will always be in your debt.

Thank you. Thank you all for your help with this lifelong goal.

Dave Richardson
Tri-Q2 825DR 40.3 hrs





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Re: 40.3

Mark/Pat Pearson/Pound <wlkabout@...>
 

Congratulations Dave. What an achievement!!!

Mark

Dave wrote:

Yesterday around sunset I touched down in my Tri-Q2 after an hour and a
half of stability and climb/glide data collection at gross weight and my
total flight hours are 40.3. I am finally ready to sign off the logbook
for the completion of the FAA phase one restrictions.

I have nothing but the deepest admiration and respect for those who have
contributed so much to help make this not only possible but safe and
successful. I will always be in your debt.

Thank you. Thank you all for your help with this lifelong goal.

Dave Richardson
Tri-Q2 825DR 40.3 hrs


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40.3

Dave <dave@...>
 

Yesterday around sunset I touched down in my Tri-Q2 after an hour and a
half of stability and climb/glide data collection at gross weight and my
total flight hours are 40.3. I am finally ready to sign off the logbook
for the completion of the FAA phase one restrictions.

I have nothing but the deepest admiration and respect for those who have
contributed so much to help make this not only possible but safe and
successful. I will always be in your debt.

Thank you. Thank you all for your help with this lifelong goal.

Dave Richardson
Tri-Q2 825DR 40.3 hrs


The difficulty of high-lift devices for tandem wing aircraft (long)

slottedflaps <quinnj@...>
 

Good evening Quickie group,

I'm a third year mechanical engineering student who wants a corvair
powered Q2 but I'm unwilling to fly an aircraft that lands at 90mph
with a passenger. The comments I've read regarding high landing
speeds of these aircraft relate to loss of elevator effectiveness
and / or canard stall on final approach, the only remedy being to add
a few units to the target landing speed.

Q200s appear to have a CG change over the original 2100D powered
version, and my experimentation with free flight tandem wing models
showed an increase in minimum speed with forward CG.

In a nutshell, I'm pondering a mechanism for the LS1 canard which
would produce a fowler flap action for the elevators with a slot to
recharge the boundary layer at the corner produced by a downward
deflected elevator.

So I've been looking through reports of deep stall vs. center of
pressure relative to CG; it goes without saying that adding lift to
the front wing only will disturb the safe stalling characteristics of
the original design. However, the stall of the rear wing appears to
be AOA dependent, and a slotted flap on the front wing might achieve
its max. lift at a similar AOA as the plain flap original. The belly
board could be integrated with the fowler flaps to move in the same
motion.

Anyhow, the Q2 seems to be a very fast aircraft with 100ish HP and an
efficient cruise prop, but the landing speed is a seriously high
price of admission to most people, myself included. I don't want to
impact the ground at 80mph if I have an engine failure.

My plans are to build a 1/3 scale Q2 and experiment with a scale LS1
canard and fowler type flaps, and find where the CG needs to be to be
safe. Getting enough down elevator could be be a challenge though.

Anyhow, nice to meet you, I'd buy Henry Hurd's project if I was out
of school. :)

-Jeff Quinn


Radio antenna

Bruce Crain
 

Paul Spackman,
My friend Gene has a Lancair with a ribbon antenna in the vertical (for comm). I don't know if it is just like yours so bare with me (no don't take off your clothes not that kind of bare).
Gene says that when checked with a Fluke meter it tested as closed so it was shorted. Bevan Rabel in Wichita says that sometimes the ribbon antennas show a closed circuit. Did yours show closed when you tested it upon installation.

Bruce Crain
N96BJ


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Re: Q-Talk

Joseph Snow <1flashq@...>
 

2 gallons... Thanks John,
Joseph

----- Original Message -----
From: John Loram
To: Q-LIST@...
Sent: Sunday, October 30, 2005 3:11 PM
Subject: RE: [Q-LIST] Q-Talk


Joseph; I've did the tail cone and top-side of my Q2 with one gallon,
and expect to finish the bottom side with another gallon. However; I
didn't use the approach advocated by Jerry's article. I expect I would
have use 50% more (and save a lot of time) had I used Jerry's approach.

-john-
p.s. Jerry's approach is describe in much greater detail in this
article: http://curedcomposites.netfirms.com/index.html
(scan down toward the bottom of the page.)

________________________________

From: Q-LIST@... [mailto:Q-LIST@...] On Behalf
Of Joseph Snow
Sent: Saturday, October 29, 2005 9:02 PM
To: Q-LIST@...
Subject: [Q-LIST] Q-Talk


Hello all,

Just finished reading the current issue of Q-Talk. The finishing
article is very timely for me. Does anyone know about how much of the
West System epoxy (how many gallons) is needed to finish a Q2. I can
estimate the microballons from Jerry's formula.

Thanks to Jerry Marstall for a great article. I will be eagerly waiting
for the next installment.

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Re: Q-Talk

Joseph Snow <1flashq@...>
 

Thanks Jerry. I will put in my order for the epoxy tomorrow.

Joseph

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Sent: Sunday, October 30, 2005 9:42 AM
Subject: Re: [Q-LIST] Q-Talk


Joseph,
You can do the wing and canard with one gallon (assuming a relatively
smooth set of flying surfaces to begin with). While it should take you
less than a gallon to do the fuselage, cowling, flight controls, etc.,
you will find ways of using the reset of it up.
Thanks for comment on the article
Jerry

Joseph Snow wrote:

>Hello all,
>
>Just finished reading the current issue of Q-Talk. The finishing article is very timely for me. Does anyone know about how much of the West System epoxy (how many gallons) is needed to finish a Q2. I can estimate the microballons from Jerry's formula.
>
>Thanks to Jerry Marstall for a great article. I will be eagerly waiting for the next installment.
>
>Joseph
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Re: rudder trim

Kerri & Mark <ksm@...>
 

Hi Team

Can anyone offer any comments on Atkins rotary and Camdon supar chargers
thay have offered me a turnkey engine single rotor for $4595.00 and $6595.00
for the fuel injected one. Any good or bad points please as its a long way
to New Zealand and if I go with this engine I have to ask all the
questions...
The other question I had was The factory tail cut mod has anybody had any
problems with it as the tail has been cut and the glass work done except for
the 9bid pads for the alloy plates

Mark Q1 S/N 0358


Re: Q-Talk

John Loram <johnl@...>
 

Joseph; I've did the tail cone and top-side of my Q2 with one gallon,
and expect to finish the bottom side with another gallon. However; I
didn't use the approach advocated by Jerry's article. I expect I would
have use 50% more (and save a lot of time) had I used Jerry's approach.

-john-
p.s. Jerry's approach is describe in much greater detail in this
article: http://curedcomposites.netfirms.com/index.html
(scan down toward the bottom of the page.)

________________________________

From: Q-LIST@... [mailto:Q-LIST@...] On Behalf
Of Joseph Snow
Sent: Saturday, October 29, 2005 9:02 PM
To: Q-LIST@...
Subject: [Q-LIST] Q-Talk


Hello all,

Just finished reading the current issue of Q-Talk. The finishing
article is very timely for me. Does anyone know about how much of the
West System epoxy (how many gallons) is needed to finish a Q2. I can
estimate the microballons from Jerry's formula.

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Re: engine off set

Mark/Pat Pearson/Pound <wlkabout@...>
 

Marvin:
I think these are empirical questions.

Mark

pinemiser wrote:

I'm putting a more powerful engine in my q1. Does anyone know if I
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Re: Onan prop hub and info request

pinemiser <mneufeld@...>
 

--- In Q-LIST@..., "David J. Gall" <David@G...> wrote:

Scott,

Make sure you get the prop hub that has the big bolt axially down
the
center, not the one with two bolts that are cross-drilled through
the
crankshaft.

As for improving the Onan installation, the single biggest
improvement you
could make would be to do the cooling system properly. The Onan
wants to be
cooled from the exhaust valve side which means that to do it right
you'd
need to get the cold air to the back side of the engine and have it
flow
forward. Just copy the stock Onan cooling shroud (in aluminum or
glass) and
get the air flowing in the right direction.... You could have the
cooling
outlet(s) on top of the cowl a la Catbird or Adam 500....

JMHO,

David J. Gall

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On Behalf Of Scott
Sent: Monday, October 03, 2005 9:00 PM
To: Q-LIST@...
Subject: [Q-LIST] Onan prop hub and info request

I am looking for a propeller hub for my Onan Performer P-224
conversion. It has a straight 1 7/16" shaft with a 3/8" key.
I am also trying to collect any information, pictures,
tricks, to improve the Onan as an aircraft engine. Any help
will be greatly appreciated.

Scott
Hi . I have a prop 42d 30p, prop hub 1-7/16" shaft 2 cross bolt 4"
bolt pattern. 6 bolt pattern and I also have a complete engine with
under 50 hrs on it. Voltage regulator, oil temp gauge, head.
tempature gauge, carb heat set up. The heads have been shaved on this
engine, increasing hp to 22.5 I want to sell as a package. Email me
mneufeld@... Marvin


Re: Q-Talk

Jerry Marstall <jnmarstall@...>
 

Joseph,
You can do the wing and canard with one gallon (assuming a relatively smooth set of flying surfaces to begin with). While it should take you less than a gallon to do the fuselage, cowling, flight controls, etc., you will find ways of using the reset of it up.
Thanks for comment on the article
Jerry

Joseph Snow wrote:

Hello all,

Just finished reading the current issue of Q-Talk. The finishing article is very timely for me. Does anyone know about how much of the West System epoxy (how many gallons) is needed to finish a Q2. I can estimate the microballons from Jerry's formula.
Thanks to Jerry Marstall for a great article. I will be eagerly waiting for the next installment.

Joseph





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pinemiser <mneufeld@...>
 

I'm putting a more powerful engine in my q1. Does anyone know if I
need engine off-set? Do I need more rudder? Marvin


Q-Talk

Joseph Snow <1flashq@...>
 

Hello all,

Just finished reading the current issue of Q-Talk. The finishing article is very timely for me. Does anyone know about how much of the West System epoxy (how many gallons) is needed to finish a Q2. I can estimate the microballons from Jerry's formula.

Thanks to Jerry Marstall for a great article. I will be eagerly waiting for the next installment.

Joseph


Re: Mazda single rtr was - rudder trim

JohntenHave <Jtenhave@...>
 

Mark,

There is one under active development here in Sydney. It is at the
stage of being driven around in an RX7 presently and seems to run
like a clock. We have been asked to manufacture the custom end
housings for the prototypes so there will be more to report later.

The engine is one thing, the PSRU is quite another. The required
airframe mods yet another.

My suggestion? Building these things and getting them flying is hard
enough without adding additional degrees of difficulty and
increasing your risks of multiple engine failures (and they will
happen) to the test flying program. Stick with the simplest
possible most proven configuration and get it flying. Then modify
from a known base. If you have an Onan get it flying with that.

Also remember that C of G is a really big deal 0.75" total range of
travel! Add weight up the front and the back end will have to
change. Leon is right on the money when he asks about weight.
Remember it is the weight of everything engine, mount, psru
propeller, baffling, radiator, hoses, battery, new cowlings,
fuselage reinforcements etc.

Keep it simple if you want to fly. If you do not, modify away to
your heart's content - it will keep you grounded for years -
guarenteed.

Second thought : fix or improve something after you know it is
either broken or inferior. Fixing things that ain't broke is just
plain dumb. Don't confuse activity with progress.

Third thought: be crystal clear about what it is that you wish to
achieve with this modification effort - is there an alternative
means of achieving it?

Regards

John





--- In Q-LIST@..., "Leon - C" <leon@c...> wrote:

Are you thinking about using the single rotor in a Q-1? If so I'd
be
interested in the quoted weight from Atkins. I have a 13B in my
shop that
I've been thinking about converting but I just don't see how to
get the
weight down enough to use in a Q-1 without resorting to home brew
aluminum
parts. The available aluminum housings are just too much money.

Don't know exactly what you are wanting to know about the Q-1
fuselage
split. I don't recall any mentions in the old newsletters of
failure in
this area if that is what you are wondering about. When I did
mine I made
up a large plate of the required plys for thickness, cut out what
was needed
for each tab and then glassed that into place per the plans. It
hasn't been
flight tested but has received plenty of abuse in the shop - and
was a whole
lot easier and less mess than making individual lay-ups. 2
evenings worth
of work to cut, shape, and glass, another full weekend to make the
split
line paper tight........and it's still not perfect.
===================
Leon McAtee

----- Original Message -----
From: "Kerri & Mark" <ksm@s...>
To: <Q-LIST@...>
Sent: Sunday, October 30, 2005 2:45 PM
Subject: Re: [Q-LIST] rudder trim


Hi Team

Can anyone offer any comments on Atkins rotary and Camdon supar
chargers
thay have offered me a turnkey engine single rotor for $4595.00
and
$6595.00
for the fuel injected one. Any good or bad points please as its
a long way
to New Zealand and if I go with this engine I have to ask all the
questions...
The other question I had was The factory tail cut mod has
anybody had any
problems with it as the tail has been cut and the glass work
done except
for
the 9bid pads for the alloy plates

Mark Q1 S/N 0358




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