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Re: SuperQuickie Conversion (was "Re: Bellying up to the bar")

Webcave
 

No price listed for you Q2/200 CD.

-----Original Message-----
From: David J. Gall <David@...>
To: Q-LIST@...
Sent: Wed, 16 Nov 2005 16:46:15 -0800
Subject: [Q-LIST] SuperQuickie Conversion (was "Re: Bellying up to the bar")


SuperQuickie builders:

Due to enormous demand, I spent the day fixing my website-building tools so
that I could upload the "newer" SuperQuickie Conversion report. You can get
the file here: http://QuickieSource.com. Its a .pdf file that's been
.zipped, but its still big at about 3.4 MB. Enjoy! (Buy a CD while you're
visiting my site, too. I need the money....)

David J. Gall




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Fw: [saaa_ch20] fibreglass

Arthur & Margaret <warreen@...>
 

----- Original Message -----
From: "Graham Jones" <geebeeman@...>
To: <saaa_ch20@...>
Sent: Thursday, November 17, 2005 3:14 PM
Subject: RE: [saaa_ch20] fibreglass


.....Aluminium brand...<GGG>

Cheers
Jonesy
(Who remembers DP fishing bits of blue goop out of his (last??) fibreglass
fuel tank at Kyneton and praying that he'd be able to get back to
Lethbridge
without the whole lot collapsing or clogging his fuel lines and causing
him
to explore the experience of crashing.....)

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From: saaa_ch20@... [mailto:saaa_ch20@...]On
Behalf Of Daryl Patterson
Sent: Thursday, 17 November 2005 1:59 PM
To: SAAA Kyneton chapter
Subject: [saaa_ch20] fibreglass


Does anyone have an opinion about the best type/brand of resin to use to
make a fibreglass fuel tank?

Daryl








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Re: The difficulty of high-lift devices for tandem wing aircraft (long)

Patrick Panzera <panzera@...>
 

IAS for lysdexics?

John
You thank.

Tap
Re: The difficulty of high-lift devices for tandem wing aircraft (long)

David J. Gall
 

Ah, so nice of you to steer the focus back where it belongs, Pat!

David J. Gall

-----Original Message-----
From: Q-LIST@... [mailto:Q-LIST@...]
On Behalf Of Patrick Panzera
Sent: Wednesday, November 16, 2005 5:18 PM
To: Q-LIST@...
Subject: RE: [Q-LIST] Re: The difficulty of high-lift devices
for tandem wing aircraft (long)

< snip! >

That being said, what you are describing, where the
horizontal stab is actually making lift, is in effect a
tandem wing plane, our beloved Q. :)

< snip! >

Pat
SuperQuickie Conversion (was "Re: Bellying up to the bar")

JohntenHave <Jtenhave@...>
 

Thank you, David!

CD was great value / reference.

John

--- In Q-LIST@..., "David J. Gall" <David@G...> wrote:

SuperQuickie builders:

Due to enormous demand, I spent the day fixing my website-building
tools so
that I could upload the "newer" SuperQuickie Conversion report. You
can get
the file here: http://QuickieSource.com. Its a .pdf file that's been
.zipped, but its still big at about 3.4 MB. Enjoy! (Buy a CD while
you're
visiting my site, too. I need the money....)

David J. Gall
Re: The difficulty of high-lift devices for tandem wing aircraft (long)

JohntenHave <Jtenhave@...>
 

IAS for lysdexics?

John

--- In Q-LIST@..., Sam Kittle <skittle@c...> wrote:

Ok, I'll bite. What is an ISA??
Re: The difficulty of high-lift devices for tandem wing aircraft (long)

Sam Kittle
 

Ok, I'll bite. What is an ISA??

Sam

Patrick Panzera wrote:

Pat,

That's not always true. A well designed monoplane loaded near the aft part
of the CG envelope will often have positive lift on the tail at cruise.
Many
airliners use this technique since, at cruise, the fuselage makes a nose-
up
pitching moment that must be negated with positive lift on the tail.

Yes, I'm well aware of this. My primary instructor taught me this by waiting
until I was fully trimmed S&L at altitude and full throttle. He then slid
his seat all the way aft. I had to re-trim. The net result, a faster ISA.

That being said, what you are describing, where the horizontal stab is
actually making lift, is in effect a tandem wing plane, our beloved Q. :)

Our friend however, is proposing a third wing to add more trim to the
already trimmed (or should I say optimally trimmed) condition.

Pat




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Re: The difficulty of high-lift devices for tandem wing aircraft (long)

Patrick Panzera <panzera@...>
 

Pat,

That's not always true. A well designed monoplane loaded near the aft part
of the CG envelope will often have positive lift on the tail at cruise.
Many
airliners use this technique since, at cruise, the fuselage makes a nose-
up
pitching moment that must be negated with positive lift on the tail.
Yes, I'm well aware of this. My primary instructor taught me this by waiting
until I was fully trimmed S&L at altitude and full throttle. He then slid
his seat all the way aft. I had to re-trim. The net result, a faster ISA.

That being said, what you are describing, where the horizontal stab is
actually making lift, is in effect a tandem wing plane, our beloved Q. :)

Our friend however, is proposing a third wing to add more trim to the
already trimmed (or should I say optimally trimmed) condition.

Pat
Re: The difficulty of high-lift devices for tandem wing aircraft (long)

David J. Gall
 

Pat,

That's not always true. A well designed monoplane loaded near the aft part
of the CG envelope will often have positive lift on the tail at cruise. Many
airliners use this technique since, at cruise, the fuselage makes a nose-up
pitching moment that must be negated with positive lift on the tail.

David J. Gall

-----Original Message-----
From: Q-LIST@... [mailto:Q-LIST@...]
On Behalf Of Patrick Panzera
Sent: Wednesday, November 16, 2005 8:42 AM
To: Q-LIST@...
Subject: RE: [Q-LIST] Re: The difficulty of high-lift devices
for tandem wing aircraft (long)

< snip! >

In a traditional monoplane configuration, the horizontal
stabilizer creates negative lift in order to "trim" the
plane. This is 100% drag.

Pat
SuperQuickie Conversion (was "Re: Bellying up to the bar")

David J. Gall
 

SuperQuickie builders:

Due to enormous demand, I spent the day fixing my website-building tools so
that I could upload the "newer" SuperQuickie Conversion report. You can get
the file here: http://QuickieSource.com. Its a .pdf file that's been
.zipped, but its still big at about 3.4 MB. Enjoy! (Buy a CD while you're
visiting my site, too. I need the money....)

David J. Gall
Re: Epoxy resin

One Sky Dog
 

In a message dated 11/16/2005 11:39:18 AM Mountain Standard Time,
damiantwinsport@... writes:

Larry , it is funny when i asked west for a mechanical properties list they
would not supply one.Hmmmm.

Regards,
Damian Gregory N8427 Q200



West was developed to encapsolate wood in high dollar yachts, the wood
carries all the loads the epoxy just keeps it dry and looking good. It just
happened to be strong enough that people started leaving out the fastners in the
boats.

I like Aeropoxy as the heat distortion temp is relativly high.

Regards

One Sky Dog
Re: The difficulty of high-lift devices for tandem wing aircraft (long)

Patrick Panzera <panzera@...>
 

Pat,

Am I reading something out of context with you comments regarding wing
tips?
I know in the past on the Dragonflylist you have argued about the merits
of
wing tip for the Dragonfly.
Wing tips are wing tips, no matter Q or DF.

They will cause drag, but we need them.

I believe the concern here is overall drag (although the subject line says
something different), where as previous DF topics have been on increasing
lift. You choose what you need from your wing tips and design accordingly.
You can design them for lift, and gain some drag. Design them for drag
reduction, and you lose lift.

Pat
Re: required equipment

Mike Dwyer <mdwyer@...>
 

You don't need any gyro's for Day or night VFR. But a good attitude gyro can keep you out of trouble. Also it seems a magnetic compass isn't required if an electronic one is available. Otherwise I think the required is Oil P, Oil T, Airspeed, Alt, compass.
Mike Q200
http://www.warnerair.com/dynon/


fionapple wrote:

I'm investigating required equipment for experimentals, and the basic
day-vfr question is not immediately clear.

91-205 specifies required equipment for day-vfr for *standard*
category U.S. airworthiness certificates, which appears to exclude
experimentals. One EAA site[1] expressly says, "Day VFR-only does not
require flight instruments."

I have no intention of flying with less than required for certificated
planes, but need to move from "familiar with" to "know" the
regulations for experimentals. If you know of comprehensive
summaries, I'd appreciate it. Otherwise, I'll continue with the FAR's.

Thanks in advance!
Wes

[1] http://www.eaa10.org/certification/index.htm

P.S. - For those talking with me: I have a new oil temp guage. The
current issue is attitude indicator and turn-and-bank, both of which
are now unwired if not inop.
required equipment

fionapple
 

I'm investigating required equipment for experimentals, and the basic
day-vfr question is not immediately clear.

91-205 specifies required equipment for day-vfr for *standard*
category U.S. airworthiness certificates, which appears to exclude
experimentals. One EAA site[1] expressly says, "Day VFR-only does not
require flight instruments."

I have no intention of flying with less than required for certificated
planes, but need to move from "familiar with" to "know" the
regulations for experimentals. If you know of comprehensive
summaries, I'd appreciate it. Otherwise, I'll continue with the FAR's.

Thanks in advance!
Wes

[1] http://www.eaa10.org/certification/index.htm

P.S. - For those talking with me: I have a new oil temp guage. The
current issue is attitude indicator and turn-and-bank, both of which
are now unwired if not inop.
Re: Epoxy resin

Leon - C <leon@...>
 

----- Original Message -----
From: "matt Hughes" <smoothmatson@...>
To: <Q-LIST@...>
Sent: Wednesday, November 16, 2005 12:16 PM
Subject: Re: [Q-LIST] Epoxy resin


i think that i am putting a 1835cc volks on.
I assume that this means that you are building the single place Quickie.
Rather than reinvent the wheel take a look at some of the other VW equipped
Quickies and follow what they have done. There was a real nice one featured
in Q-talk "recently". Also take a look at Allan Thayer's carbon rod version
of the LS-1 canard. It can be made from available Graphlite rods - and has
been load tested, but not yet flown. I can E-mail info if needed.
======================
Leon McAtee
Re: The difficulty of high-lift devices for tandem w ing aircraft (long)

Letempt, Jeffrey MR <jeffrey.letempt@...>
 

Pat,

Am I reading something out of context with you comments regarding wing tips?
I know in the past on the Dragonflylist you have argued about the merits of
wing tip for the Dragonfly.

Jeff

-----Original Message-----
From: Q-LIST@... [mailto:Q-LIST@...] On Behalf Of
Patrick Panzera
Sent: Wednesday, November 16, 2005 10:42 AM
To: Q-LIST@...
Subject: RE: [Q-LIST] Re: The difficulty of high-lift devices for tandem
wing aircraft (long)

Anyhow, I decided on a 1/4 scale r/c concept model of a tri-foil
design, and the fuselage plug is now made. The finished model will
look like a hybrid between a lancair 320 and a dragonfly. The long
negative stagger biplane main wing config has many advantages over a
single wing when both have horizontal stabilizers to trim them.
Wing tips do nothing but add drag; they contribute nothing to lift.
It would seem to me that the more wings you have, the more wing tips you
have, and the more drag you would have.

In a traditional monoplane configuration, the horizontal stabilizer creates
negative lift in order to "trim" the plane. This is 100% drag.

Pat





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Rene Robertson <q2robertson@...>
 

Hi David,
Could you please contact me off list at:
q2robertson@...
Thanks
Rene
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Re: Epoxy resin

matt Hughes <smoothmatson@...>
 

Thanks guys for all ther input. I am going to use EZ poxy and i will stick with the original plans for trhe spar. I was just looking at a few different alteratives for strenght because i think that i am putting a 1835cc volks on.

Matt


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Re: Epoxy resin

trevor slater <slaterfloors@...>
 

Gougeon Bros (West System) is a structural epoxy system and quite good at that. The structural properties should be available online at Westsystem.com or you can call tech. I have used quite a bit of the 125/226 & 229 for both vacuum bagging and wet layups. The family of products have cure schedules and performance calcs with very good structural properties at full cure. This stuff in NOT cheap and if Scaled can use it I think that says quite a bit.

damiantwinsport@... wrote: Larry , it is funny when i asked west for a mechanical properties list they would not supply one.Hmmmm.

Regards,
Damian Gregory N8427 Q200

-----Original Message-----
From: larry severson <larry2@...>
To: Q-LIST@...
Sent: Wed, 16 Nov 2005 07:49:06 -0800
Subject: Re: [Q-LIST] Epoxy resin



What kind of epoxy resin should i use for the glassin. I never got
any with my kit. I have looked at a few differnt kinds in the
aircraft spruce catalog.
Do a quick search of this groups archives for info on resin compatabality.
the EZ poxy is the replacement for the original kit supplied resin, but
there may be better resins available now. West System, Aeropoxy, and MGS
have been used by others.
West System is NOT a structural epoxy. Use it for cosmetic (micro
balloons, etc.) ONLY. Aeropoxy is actually stronger that EZ poxy, and
cheaper. (Unfortunately, I learned this only after I spent big money
buying a proportioner, etc.


Larry Severson
Fountain Valley, CA 92708
(714) 968-9852
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Re: Epoxy resin

damiantwinsport@...
 

Larry , it is funny when i asked west for a mechanical properties list they would not supply one.Hmmmm.

Regards,
Damian Gregory N8427 Q200

-----Original Message-----
From: larry severson <larry2@...>
To: Q-LIST@...
Sent: Wed, 16 Nov 2005 07:49:06 -0800
Subject: Re: [Q-LIST] Epoxy resin



What kind of epoxy resin should i use for the glassin. I never got
any with my kit. I have looked at a few differnt kinds in the
aircraft spruce catalog.
Do a quick search of this groups archives for info on resin compatabality.
the EZ poxy is the replacement for the original kit supplied resin, but
there may be better resins available now. West System, Aeropoxy, and MGS
have been used by others.
West System is NOT a structural epoxy. Use it for cosmetic (micro
balloons, etc.) ONLY. Aeropoxy is actually stronger that EZ poxy, and
cheaper. (Unfortunately, I learned this only after I spent big money
buying a proportioner, etc.


Larry Severson
Fountain Valley, CA 92708
(714) 968-9852
larry2@...






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