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Re: Batteries

Ron <rondefly@...>
 

Thanks all for the help on the batteries, guess I will go that way, I plan
to use two of the 12AH ones.



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Hi Ron,

I am using the one marked as 1170. I have been very pleased with it so
far. They are sure easy to install since they are sealed and can be in
any convenient position. These batteries are used in the electric wheel
chair industry.

The price you found was pretty good, too. Mine was in the mid $60's
when I bought it from Radio Shack. And even those numbers were down
from the $90+ some were paying for the exact same thing. You have a
good source there.

I wrote something up about this type of battery back in the 2001 issues
of Q-Talk. This is the style of battery Bob Kuckolls suggests, too.

Dave Richardson

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Has anyone tried any of these batteries? Here is the site for some RG
racing
batteries. http://s2.pegasusautoracing.com/049.pdf



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Re: Goin around!

Jim Patillo
 

Earnest,

My Lightspeed Dual Electronics let's the 0200 idle at 450 RPM, but I
though you had already ddone that.

Jim P.
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Peter,
500 feet helps a lot. I think my landing distance would
improve a lot
more if I could get my engine to idle smoothly at 500 RPM instead
of the 800 I
now have to run to keep it smooth.
Earnest


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Re: Epoxy resin

matt Hughes <smoothmatson@...>
 

Leon,
Please send me any info on carbon spars and the ls1 canard. I cannot find templates or specs. I have seen the other q1's with vw's and i am following after them. I am far from the engine though...i currently have to deal with the canard. thnks for your info.
matt

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Subject: Re: [Q-LIST] Epoxy resin


i think that i am putting a 1835cc volks on.
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Re: Props

David J. Gall
 

Peter,

Make SMALL cuts on that precious prop...! :)


David J. Gall

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Subject: Re: [Q-LIST] Props
Date: Fri, 18 Nov 2005 13:55:37 +1000


Jerry it is worth taking a look at the website link to "performance" and view
the annual results of the Ottawa comps. Most on record use 60x72 and run close
to 3000rpm. IMO if this prop were reduced to say 56"dia and run at 32-3300rpm
the performance would be faster.ie increase rpm by reducing the diameter (to
a certain limit). I don't think we have found the limit yet. I have chosen a
60x72 Sterba but will cut it down to achieve redline rpm at WOT level
flight,but I suspect you could go as high as 74" pitch with a reduced
diameter.I think there is more potential airspeed to be found.
Peter


Re: Props

Dave <dave@...>
 

Hi Peter,

I recall an fall fly-in where Bruce Crain learned something about
extended higher rpms on an O200 where he got a good amount of oil
ejected from the engine that wrapped around the fuselage. Perhaps Bruce
can chime in and shed some light on what happened. My recollection may
be wrong, but I thought he attributed it to extended higher rpms.

Dave Richardson

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Sent: Thursday, November 17, 2005 10:56 PM
To: Q-LIST@yahoogroups.com
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Jerry it is worth taking a look at the website link to "performance" and
view the annual results of the Ottawa comps. Most on record use 60x72
and run close to 3000rpm. IMO if this prop were reduced to say 56"dia
and run at 32-3300rpm the performance would be faster.ie increase rpm
by reducing the diameter (to a certain limit). I don't think we have
found the limit yet. I have chosen a 60x72 Sterba but will cut it down
to achieve redline rpm at WOT level flight,but I suspect you could go
as high as 74" pitch with a reduced diameter.I think there is more
potential airspeed to be found.
Peter
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Sent: Friday, November 18, 2005 10:00 PM
Subject: [Q-LIST] Props


What are you guys running the high compression O-200's using as props?

(dia x pitch, performance)
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Re: Props

Doug Humble <hawkidoug@...>
 

Peter - If you give up the Dia. for more pitch and keep the rpm the same, don't you loose climb? I have been wrestling with this and would like comments.

Doug "Hawkeye" Humble
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Jerry it is worth taking a look at the website link to "performance" and view the annual results of the Ottawa comps. Most on record use 60x72 and run close to 3000rpm. IMO if this prop were reduced to say 56"dia and run at 32-3300rpm the performance would be faster.ie increase rpm by reducing the diameter (to a certain limit). I don't think we have found the limit yet. I have chosen a 60x72 Sterba but will cut it down to achieve redline rpm at WOT level flight,but I suspect you could go as high as 74" pitch with a reduced diameter.I think there is more potential airspeed to be found.
Peter
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What are you guys running the high compression O-200's using as props?
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Re: Batterys

Mike Dwyer <mdwyer@...>
 

The category of these batterys is AGM, they are sealed lead acid but not like regular lead acid batterys. I use one similar to the 1170 but don't use an auto battery charger on this thing! I did overnight and the battery expanded up to 20% its width! Didn't work very well after that either. There are other problems, if your battery is near dead it will try to take the full 60 amp charge from your alternator. I had a friend kept blowing his 60 amp breaker! You need to charge it before flight if you ever run it way down. Second complaint is that it cranks like mad for 5 sec then dies. Wait 10 sec and crank like mad again... These things are made to supply high current for short times. The plus outweighs the minus tho. They are powerful and light. Just feed them correctly!
Mike Q200
Do a search on Ebay for "agm battery" you'll be surprised at all that are available.


Ron wrote:


Re: Goin around!

MartinErni@...
 

In a message dated 11/18/2005 6:08:35 P.M. Eastern Standard Time,
logistics_engineering@msn.com writes:

My Lightspeed Dual Electronics let's the 0200 idle at 450 RPM, but I
though you had already ddone that.



I have dual electronic ignitions but I think my problem is the carb. It is
being rebuilt now so I hope that fixes it.
Earnest


Re: Mags and Tachs.

Letempt, Jeffrey MR <jeffrey.letempt@...>
 

Chris,

I looked on the Westach web site before I sent my original message, but
could not find the installation instructions. I can look this weekend, but
I think mine is probably a 1 or 2 amp fuse at most. The worst thing that
would happen if the fuse were to blow is that you would loose your tach.

Jeff

-----Original Message-----
From: Q-LIST@yahoogroups.com [mailto:Q-LIST@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of
chris rayner
Sent: Friday, November 18, 2005 11:55 AM
To: Q-LIST@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [Q-LIST] Mags and Tachs.

Jeff, that also sound like a pretty good piece of advice - thanks. I knew I
had installed a couple of spare fuse holders for a reason! Any thoughts on a

suitable rating for the fuses?

Chris
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Sent: Friday, November 18, 2005 3:32 PM
Subject: RE: [Q-LIST] Mags and Tachs.


Chris,

Make sure you install a small fuse inline from the mag p lead to the tach.
This would prevent a short in the tach wire from killing the mag.

Jeff

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Sent: Friday, November 18, 2005 6:03 AM
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Subject: RE: [Q-LIST] Mags and Tachs.

It goes to the P-lead. That is the wire that runs from the magneto
condenser. This is the same lead that is switched to ground to kill the
mag. You can only connect this lead to ONE mag, unless you installed some
kind of elaborate switching arrangement (not worth the trouble, IMHO)..

Sam





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Sent: Friday, November 18, 2005 3:43 AM
To: Q-List; Q-200_Engine_Group Moderator
Subject: [Q-LIST] Mags and Tachs.



A question for the techies please. I am doing the wiring for my O-200 and
have a Westach Tachometer which connects a lead to each mag, but the
instructions don't say where it attaches. A/S catalogue says the "primary
lead", which still doesn't (me) help much. Looks like there's only two
possibilities:- to the wire on the condenser, or to the mag earth lead.
Anyone know which, or doesn't it matter?

Thanks
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Re: Mags and Tachs.

chris rayner <chris-rayner@...>
 

Jeff, that also sound like a pretty good piece of advice - thanks. I knew I had installed a couple of spare fuse holders for a reason! Any thoughts on a suitable rating for the fuses?

Chris

----- Original Message -----
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Sent: Friday, November 18, 2005 3:32 PM
Subject: RE: [Q-LIST] Mags and Tachs.


Chris,

Make sure you install a small fuse inline from the mag p lead to the tach.
This would prevent a short in the tach wire from killing the mag.

Jeff

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Sam Hoskins
Sent: Friday, November 18, 2005 6:03 AM
To: Q-LIST@yahoogroups.com
Subject: RE: [Q-LIST] Mags and Tachs.

It goes to the P-lead. That is the wire that runs from the magneto
condenser. This is the same lead that is switched to ground to kill the
mag. You can only connect this lead to ONE mag, unless you installed some
kind of elaborate switching arrangement (not worth the trouble, IMHO)..

Sam





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Sent: Friday, November 18, 2005 3:43 AM
To: Q-List; Q-200_Engine_Group Moderator
Subject: [Q-LIST] Mags and Tachs.



A question for the techies please. I am doing the wiring for my O-200 and
have a Westach Tachometer which connects a lead to each mag, but the
instructions don't say where it attaches. A/S catalogue says the "primary
lead", which still doesn't (me) help much. Looks like there's only two
possibilities:- to the wire on the condenser, or to the mag earth lead.
Anyone know which, or doesn't it matter?

Thanks
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Re: Short runways

Rene Robertson <q2robertson@...>
 

Jim,
I still have the "stock" layout as you probably saw in Livermore last summer. I plan to change over to the Mark Summer's VG layout sometime in the near future. We are looking for a place to laser or water cut the aluminum. Mark was kind enough to supply me with some samples when we were at the fly-in.
Mark claims a 3 MPH loss at the top end, so at my top end I shouldn't see any loss :)
Cheers
Rene


Jim Patillo <logistics_engineering@msn.com> wrote:
Thanks for the input Rene. It makes total sense. Do you have James'
vortex generators installed or is it stock?

I can stop in quite a bit less than 2,000' also just can't land on
that short of a runway and feel good about. I think a Q200 needs
2,500-3,000' minimum. Anybody else doing it confortably on shorter
runways?

Jim P

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Jim,
I think we have to compare apples to apples and oranges to
oranges. Your Q200 with your prop pitch will have quite a bit more
bite at idle than a Q2 with much less pitch (assuming a Revmaster
engine) at idle. Your airplane will be pulling you forward a fair
bit more than mine or James's and therefore your stopping distance
will be longer than ours. I first came to realize this when Steve
switched from his Revmaster to the Jabiru 3300. We used to go into
a 2000' strip, but after he switched engines, the bite of his prop
would not allow him to make this strip comfortably. I can tell you
what my airplane stops in, but unless you kill your engine on final,
you will not be able to stop in the same distance.
Most of us here with Q2's can stop in 2000' or less solo and at
gross in less than 2500'.
Hope this clears it up a little.
Regards
Rene
Q2 C-FBWV

Jim Patillo <logistics_engineering@m...> wrote:

James,

I'm loosing count. Do you have a flying Q at this point or not?
And
How many runways have you made in under 2,000' with that mod. How
many hours PIC do have you in your Q's?

That is short for a Q and if you have proven it out would make
quite
a difference for a lot of Q drivers. My personal minimum is 2,600'
with two people. BTW adding a pax can increase the landing
distance
quite a bit.

Regards,
Jim Patillo

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Jim,

I was struggling with 3,000 feet before the VG's and with the
VG's,
I
routinely use less that 2,000 feet.

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Short runways

Jim Patillo
 

Thanks for the input Rene. It makes total sense. Do you have James'
vortex generators installed or is it stock?

I can stop in quite a bit less than 2,000' also just can't land on
that short of a runway and feel good about. I think a Q200 needs
2,500-3,000' minimum. Anybody else doing it confortably on shorter
runways?

Jim P

--- In Q-LIST@yahoogroups.com, Rene Robertson <q2robertson@y...>
wrote:

Jim,
I think we have to compare apples to apples and oranges to
oranges. Your Q200 with your prop pitch will have quite a bit more
bite at idle than a Q2 with much less pitch (assuming a Revmaster
engine) at idle. Your airplane will be pulling you forward a fair
bit more than mine or James's and therefore your stopping distance
will be longer than ours. I first came to realize this when Steve
switched from his Revmaster to the Jabiru 3300. We used to go into
a 2000' strip, but after he switched engines, the bite of his prop
would not allow him to make this strip comfortably. I can tell you
what my airplane stops in, but unless you kill your engine on final,
you will not be able to stop in the same distance.
Most of us here with Q2's can stop in 2000' or less solo and at
gross in less than 2500'.
Hope this clears it up a little.
Regards
Rene
Q2 C-FBWV

Jim Patillo <logistics_engineering@m...> wrote:

James,

I'm loosing count. Do you have a flying Q at this point or not?
And
How many runways have you made in under 2,000' with that mod. How
many hours PIC do have you in your Q's?

That is short for a Q and if you have proven it out would make
quite
a difference for a lot of Q drivers. My personal minimum is 2,600'
with two people. BTW adding a pax can increase the landing
distance
quite a bit.

Regards,
Jim Patillo

--- In Q-LIST@yahoogroups.com, "James Postma" <james@p...> wrote:

Jim,

I was struggling with 3,000 feet before the VG's and with the
VG's,
I
routinely use less that 2,000 feet.

James Postma
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Re: Goin around!

MartinErni@...
 

Peter,
500 feet helps a lot. I think my landing distance would improve a lot
more if I could get my engine to idle smoothly at 500 RPM instead of the 800 I
now have to run to keep it smooth.
Earnest


Re: Goin around!

Rene Robertson <q2robertson@...>
 

Jim,
I think we have to compare apples to apples and oranges to oranges. Your Q200 with your prop pitch will have quite a bit more bite at idle than a Q2 with much less pitch (assuming a Revmaster engine) at idle. Your airplane will be pulling you forward a fair bit more than mine or James's and therefore your stopping distance will be longer than ours. I first came to realize this when Steve switched from his Revmaster to the Jabiru 3300. We used to go into a 2000' strip, but after he switched engines, the bite of his prop would not allow him to make this strip comfortably. I can tell you what my airplane stops in, but unless you kill your engine on final, you will not be able to stop in the same distance.
Most of us here with Q2's can stop in 2000' or less solo and at gross in less than 2500'.
Hope this clears it up a little.
Regards
Rene
Q2 C-FBWV

Jim Patillo <logistics_engineering@msn.com> wrote:

James,

I'm loosing count. Do you have a flying Q at this point or not? And
How many runways have you made in under 2,000' with that mod. How
many hours PIC do have you in your Q's?

That is short for a Q and if you have proven it out would make quite
a difference for a lot of Q drivers. My personal minimum is 2,600'
with two people. BTW adding a pax can increase the landing distance
quite a bit.

Regards,
Jim Patillo

--- In Q-LIST@yahoogroups.com, "James Postma" <james@p...> wrote:

Jim,

I was struggling with 3,000 feet before the VG's and with the VG's,
I
routinely use less that 2,000 feet.

James Postma
The Aircraft Factory and School




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Re: Props

Jim Patillo
 

Jerry,

I use a 60/72 Catto Prop. It has great pull down the runway and tops
out at 3,100 RPM.

Jim Patillo

--- In Q-LIST@yahoogroups.com, Jerry Marstall <jnmarstall@b...> wrote:

What are you guys running the high compression O-200's using as
props?
(dia x pitch, performance)
Jerry Marstall


Re: Goin around!

Jim Patillo
 

James,

I'm loosing count. Do you have a flying Q at this point or not? And
How many runways have you made in under 2,000' with that mod. How
many hours PIC do have you in your Q's?

That is short for a Q and if you have proven it out would make quite
a difference for a lot of Q drivers. My personal minimum is 2,600'
with two people. BTW adding a pax can increase the landing distance
quite a bit.

Regards,
Jim Patillo

--- In Q-LIST@yahoogroups.com, "James Postma" <james@p...> wrote:

Jim,

I was struggling with 3,000 feet before the VG's and with the VG's,
I
routinely use less that 2,000 feet.

James Postma
The Aircraft Factory and School


Re: Batterys

Dave <dave@...>
 

Hi Ron,

I am using the one marked as 1170. I have been very pleased with it so
far. They are sure easy to install since they are sealed and can be in
any convenient position. These batteries are used in the electric wheel
chair industry.

The price you found was pretty good, too. Mine was in the mid $60's
when I bought it from Radio Shack. And even those numbers were down
from the $90+ some were paying for the exact same thing. You have a
good source there.

I wrote something up about this type of battery back in the 2001 issues
of Q-Talk. This is the style of battery Bob Kuckolls suggests, too.

Dave Richardson

-----Original Message-----
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Has anyone tried any of these batteries? Here is the site for some RG
racing
batteries. http://s2.pegasusautoracing.com/049.pdf



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Re: Mags and Tachs.

Letempt, Jeffrey MR <jeffrey.letempt@...>
 

Chris,

Make sure you install a small fuse inline from the mag p lead to the tach.
This would prevent a short in the tach wire from killing the mag.

Jeff

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Sam Hoskins
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It goes to the P-lead. That is the wire that runs from the magneto
condenser. This is the same lead that is switched to ground to kill the
mag. You can only connect this lead to ONE mag, unless you installed some
kind of elaborate switching arrangement (not worth the trouble, IMHO)..

Sam





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Sent: Friday, November 18, 2005 3:43 AM
To: Q-List; Q-200_Engine_Group Moderator
Subject: [Q-LIST] Mags and Tachs.



A question for the techies please. I am doing the wiring for my O-200 and
have a Westach Tachometer which connects a lead to each mag, but the
instructions don't say where it attaches. A/S catalogue says the "primary
lead", which still doesn't (me) help much. Looks like there's only two
possibilities:- to the wire on the condenser, or to the mag earth lead.
Anyone know which, or doesn't it matter?

Thanks
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Re: Props

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who made it?

Sam Hoskins wrote:

60x70


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