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Builder/pilot map

Leon - C <leon@...>
 

I took the liberty of setting up this Frapper for Tandem Wing builders and
pilots. Take a look, add yourself, if you wish, and pass the info on to
other tandem wing groups.

http://www.frappr.com/tandemwings

Also for the folks out there that don't run WIN XP this is a good way to
get to use what appears to be the same data that Google Earth uses.
================
Leon McAtee
Interesting bit of trivia - Area 51 (Groom Lake) is shown on Google
earth........Looooong runway :-)

----- Original Message -----
From: "Leon - C" <leon@...>
To: <Q-LIST@...>
Sent: Tuesday, November 22, 2005 11:08 AM
Subject: Re: [Q-LIST] Re: Q1 canard/help


----- Original Message -----
From: <damiantwinsport@...>
To: <Q-LIST@...>
Sent: Tuesday, November 22, 2005 10:13 AM
Subject: Re: [Q-LIST] Re: Q1 canard/help


Leon, I would love to be there meet you and help in the load test.I only
hve 3 probs with that 1: my right wing is still mending 2: distance to
wyoming 3: I am severely allergic to fridgid weather.

Regards,
Damian Gregory N8427 Q200
See how you are. Nothing but excuses. Besides you would be of no use to
me since you are missing the same wing. :-)

My brother gets Wednesday off, the insurance guy "promises" that the
check
got Next Day service this time, and the cement shortage seems to be easing
up around here so maybe this week....................

Did a quick calculator calculation last night for load deflection and came
up with ~2.5" deflection at the planned test load of 4 g's (650 gross 100%
canard load)
======================
Leon McAtee
Bad case of Cabin Fever ................ need a job, or something, till
the
next semester starts.






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Re: Q1 canard/help

Leon - C <leon@...>
 

----- Original Message -----
From: <damiantwinsport@...>
To: <Q-LIST@...>
Sent: Tuesday, November 22, 2005 10:13 AM
Subject: Re: [Q-LIST] Re: Q1 canard/help


Leon, I would love to be there meet you and help in the load test.I only
hve 3 probs with that 1: my right wing is still mending 2: distance to
wyoming 3: I am severely allergic to fridgid weather.

Regards,
Damian Gregory N8427 Q200
See how you are. Nothing but excuses. Besides you would be of no use to
me since you are missing the same wing. :-)

My brother gets Wednesday off, the insurance guy "promises" that the check
got Next Day service this time, and the cement shortage seems to be easing
up around here so maybe this week....................

Did a quick calculator calculation last night for load deflection and came
up with ~2.5" deflection at the planned test load of 4 g's (650 gross 100%
canard load)
======================
Leon McAtee
Bad case of Cabin Fever ................ need a job, or something, till the
next semester starts.


Re: Q1 canard/help

damiantwinsport@...
 

Leon, I would love to be there meet you and help in the load test.I only hve 3 probs with that 1: my right wing is still mending 2: distance to wyoming 3: I am severely allergic to fridgid weather.

Regards,
Damian Gregory N8427 Q200

-----Original Message-----
From: Leon - C <leon@...>
To: Q-LIST@...
Sent: Mon, 21 Nov 2005 13:24:01 -0700
Subject: Re: [Q-LIST] Re: Q1 canard


----- Original Message -----
From: <damiantwinsport@...>

Leon spoilsport!

Regards,
Damian Gregory N8427 Q200
+++++++++++
Me!?
It may not be a direct replacement, but it should be easily adapted. The
CG will have to be moved forward about 3 inches and tip gear is not an
option.

When I first decided that I "needed" an LS-1 canard the original tubular
spars were not available and finding copies of the QAC templates proved hard
enough - so I decided that if I was going to build from scratch that I might
as well incorporate my own "improvements".

When/If the first insurance check appears in the mail box the load test is
one of the first things to get finished - provided I can round up help to
load the ton +1/4 of cement. (need the cement for another project so I
might as well get double use from it)
==========
Leon McAtee
Really giving the ol' spell checker a good workout


++++++++++++++++++
Even if it proves to be structurally sound it will not
be a direct replacement for either of the stock QAC canards.
====================
Leon McAtee




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Re: Over the Pacific!

Webcave
 

Sreve, Where in IN are located?

-----Original Message-----
From: Steve <sham@...>
To: Q-LIST@...
Sent: Mon, 21 Nov 2005 18:56:22 -0800
Subject: Re: [Q-LIST] Over the Pacific!


Jim I was just sitting here in Indiana(freezing my backside) and eating
tostito's.........what's wrong with this picture.


Steve Ham
----- Original Message -----
From: Jim Patillo
To: Q-LIST@...
Sent: Monday, November 21, 2005 1:17 PM
Subject: [Q-LIST] Over the Pacific!



Well Saturday was another one of those beautiful lazy, crazy Cobalt
Blue California days. So several of us, Glassair Geoff, Long EZE Ray,
RV Roger, RV Barry and I decided to go to Half Moon Bay for Calamari
on the beach. Trip time from Livermore to Half Moon under SFO B space
Bay, 15 minutes. The place was crawlin' with tourists and locals out
to soak up the rays. Vendors were selling fish on the docks. Kids were
playing in the sand. Landing was very busy with us and 7 other planes
in the circuit.

What I beautiful time of the year on the Pacific coast. The fresh
ocean air, the "scenery" and food was good and the company
substantial.

Cheers,

Jim Patillo





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Re: Over the Pacific!

Sam Hoskins <shoskins@...>
 

I must not be flying enough.

Sam Hoskins

Chilly Murphysboro, IL



_____

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Jim Patillo
Sent: Monday, November 21, 2005 3:17 PM
To: Q-LIST@...
Subject: [Q-LIST] Over the Pacific!




Well Saturday was another one of those beautiful lazy, crazy Cobalt
Blue California days. So several of us, Glassair Geoff, Long EZE Ray,
RV Roger, RV Barry and I decided to go to Half Moon Bay for Calamari
on the beach. Trip time from Livermore to Half Moon under SFO B space
Bay, 15 minutes. The place was crawlin' with tourists and locals out
to soak up the rays. Vendors were selling fish on the docks. Kids were
playing in the sand. Landing was very busy with us and 7 other planes
in the circuit.

What I beautiful time of the year on the Pacific coast. The fresh
ocean air, the "scenery" and food was good and the company
substantial.

Cheers,

Jim Patillo





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Re: Props

David J. Gall
 

-----Original Message-----
From: Q-LIST@... [mailto:Q-LIST@...]
On Behalf Of Doug Humble
Sent: Friday, November 18, 2005 1:21 PM
To: Q-LIST@...
Subject: Re: [Q-LIST] Props

Peter - If you give up the Dia. for more pitch and keep the
rpm the same, don't you loose climb? I have been wrestling
with this and would like comments.

Doug "Hawkeye" Humble
www.asignabove.net
Omaha NE
N25974


Re: Over the Pacific!

hgflier
 

You guys sound so keen, I put up some pictures from Saturday's
flyout to Half Moon Bay:

http://www.geoffreyrutledge.com/Album/N200AL/LVK-HAF/

Cheers, Geoff
---
N200AL Q200
N727DF Glasair IIsFT
(http://www.geoffreyrutledge.com/Album/GeoffsGlasair/)

--- In Q-LIST@..., "Jim Patillo"
<logistics_engineering@m...> wrote:


Well Saturday was another one of those beautiful lazy, crazy
Cobalt
Blue California days. So several of us, Glassair Geoff, Long EZE
Ray,
RV Roger, RV Barry and I decided to go to Half Moon Bay for
Calamari
on the beach. Trip time from Livermore to Half Moon under SFO B
space
Bay, 15 minutes. The place was crawlin' with tourists and locals
out
to soak up the rays. Vendors were selling fish on the docks. Kids
were
playing in the sand. Landing was very busy with us and 7 other
planes
in the circuit.

What I beautiful time of the year on the Pacific coast. The fresh
ocean air, the "scenery" and food was good and the company
substantial.

Cheers,

Jim Patillo


Re: Over the Pacific!

Steve <sham@...>
 

Jim I was just sitting here in Indiana(freezing my backside) and eating tostito's.........what's wrong with this picture.


Steve Ham

----- Original Message -----
From: Jim Patillo
To: Q-LIST@...
Sent: Monday, November 21, 2005 1:17 PM
Subject: [Q-LIST] Over the Pacific!



Well Saturday was another one of those beautiful lazy, crazy Cobalt
Blue California days. So several of us, Glassair Geoff, Long EZE Ray,
RV Roger, RV Barry and I decided to go to Half Moon Bay for Calamari
on the beach. Trip time from Livermore to Half Moon under SFO B space
Bay, 15 minutes. The place was crawlin' with tourists and locals out
to soak up the rays. Vendors were selling fish on the docks. Kids were
playing in the sand. Landing was very busy with us and 7 other planes
in the circuit.

What I beautiful time of the year on the Pacific coast. The fresh
ocean air, the "scenery" and food was good and the company
substantial.

Cheers,

Jim Patillo





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Re: Alan Thayer's Graphlite Q1 Canard Spar

David J. Gall
 

Leon,

1) The rods are not bedded in flox. The rods are laid directly onto several
layers of +-45 UNI and then have several layers of +-45 UNI and one spanwise
UNI wing skins bonded directly onto them. The resulting trough in the skins
due to the spar trough not fitting the rods well is subsequently filled with
micro (not flox) to build out to the final airfoil shape. In my opinion,
this is not the best way to go since the micro might crack and/or pop out of
the trough, but at least it keeps the rods in direct structural bond contact
with the UNI rather than relying on a flox bed to carry the loads from the
rod pack (spar cap) to the skins and shear web.

2) I would have preferred to see the rectangular rods used because they
allow for a better bond of the individual rods to the uni skins through a
thinner layer of epoxy. That said, I don't think this spar is relying on
developing anywhere near the full strength of the rods since a rudimentary
calculation shows that the spar root upper cap, having 68 rods, is good for
an upward load of over 3200 lbs per wheel or roughly 11 G's for ground loads
alone (more for flight loads). (I think the spar is sized to limit
deflections since it is more than amply strong.) Thus, the bond of the
individual rods to the UNI is not heavily loaded and hence not that
important.

The rectangular rods might be easier to handle and require a smaller number
of individual rods, or their greater stiffness might make it difficult to
bend them around the anhedral joint. Overall, I'd say the current design is
just fine and there's no need to fool with it, except maybe to clean it up a
little in the spar trough detail.


David J. Gall

-----Original Message-----
From: Q-LIST@... [mailto:Q-LIST@...]
On Behalf Of Leon - C
Sent: Monday, November 21, 2005 11:01 AM
To: Q-LIST@...
Subject: Re: [Q-LIST] Alan Thayer's Graphlite Q1 Canard Spar

----- Original Message -----
From: "David J. Gall" <David@...>
To: <Q-LIST@...>
Sent: Monday, November 21, 2005 10:21 AM
Subject: [Q-LIST] Alan Thayer's Graphlite Q1 Canard Spar


Leon,

Let me propose a modification to Alan Thayer's spar trough
that would make
building the canard with the Graphlite spar a little
easier. Instead of
trying to cut the foam core in one pass from one set of
templates which
results in the spar trough not being the correct width from
root to tip, I
suggest doing a second cut for the spar trough only which
would allow for
the different taper ratio of the spar vice the taper ratio
of the canard
itself. Food for thought...?
David J. Gall
I hadn't yet noticed that his spar trough was of constant
width. Cutting
the cores minus the trough and then sanding the templates for
the tapered
trough for a second cut would make for a neater job. Bedding
the Graphlite
rods even with a tapered trough take quite a bit more flox
than you might
think, which adds weight. I had the thought at one time that
it might be a
better idea to switch to the rectangular cross section rods
but after a bit
of further thought have come to the conclusion that the bond
to the round
rods is probably superior due to the ratio of surface area/volume.

When I get around to his templates I'll add lines for the
tapered trough.
I'd really like to get back to work on my own Quickie, but between the
doctors and recalcitrant insurance companies it will be several months
before I have the money and both hands to get anything significant
accomplished.
==============
Leon McAtee
In need of a good Quickie building fix...........Mainlined if possible




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Re: Over the Pacific!

Patrick Panzera <panzera@...>
 

Oh I'm not complaining, it's just that we go to the cost on a regular basis
in the winter, and the reality of doing it in 1/4 the time suddenly became
appealing to my wife. She has flown a total of 3-5 times in piston powered
singles, and never once had a bad experience per se. But she becomes
physically ill at even the thought of getting in anything smaller than a 737
(an RJ is small to her), but hearing these words form Jim seemed to catch
her interest.

Pat

-----Original Message-----
From: Q-LIST@... [mailto:Q-LIST@...] On Behalf Of
Q2@...
Sent: Monday, November 21, 2005 1:49 PM
To: Q-LIST@...
Subject: Re: [Q-LIST] Over the Pacific!

could be worse Pat, it is a 12 hour to half moon bay from Boise...

DUG

----- Original Message ----
From: Patrick Panzera <panzera@...>
To: Q-LIST@...
Sent: Monday, November 21, 2005 14:35:24
Subject: RE: [Q-LIST] Over the Pacific!

Jim,

I just read that to my wife, Veronica.
She's ready to start flying with me. :)

We could make the same trip, but we'd have to add 30 min. for distance,
and
another 30 min. for speed (or rather, for there lack thereof).

Either way, it would be 3.5 hours or better by car.

Thanks!

Pat

> -----Original Message-----
> From: Q-LIST@... [mailto:Q-LIST@...] On Behalf
Of
> Jim Patillo
> Sent: Monday, November 21, 2005 1:17 PM
> To: Q-LIST@...
> Subject: [Q-LIST] Over the Pacific!
>
>
> Well Saturday was another one of those beautiful lazy, crazy Cobalt
> Blue California days. So several of us, Glassair Geoff, Long EZE Ray,
> RV Roger, RV Barry and I decided to go to Half Moon Bay for Calamari
> on the beach. Trip time from Livermore to Half Moon under SFO B space
> Bay, 15 minutes. The place was crawlin' with tourists and locals out
> to soak up the rays. Vendors were selling fish on the docks. Kids were
> playing in the sand. Landing was very busy with us and 7 other planes
> in the circuit.
>
> What I beautiful time of the year on the Pacific coast. The fresh
> ocean air, the "scenery" and food was good and the company
> substantial.
>
> Cheers,
>
> Jim Patillo
>
>
>
>
>
>
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> http://www.quickiebuilders.org
>
>
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>
>
>
>
>




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Re: Over the Pacific!

Doug Tenney
 

could be worse Pat, it is a 12 hour to half moon bay from Boise...

DUG

----- Original Message ----
From: Patrick Panzera <panzera@...>
To: Q-LIST@...
Sent: Monday, November 21, 2005 14:35:24
Subject: RE: [Q-LIST] Over the Pacific!

Jim,

I just read that to my wife, Veronica.
She's ready to start flying with me. :)

We could make the same trip, but we'd have to add 30 min. for distance, and
another 30 min. for speed (or rather, for there lack thereof).

Either way, it would be 3.5 hours or better by car.

Thanks!

Pat

> -----Original Message-----
> From: Q-LIST@... [mailto:Q-LIST@...] On Behalf Of
> Jim Patillo
> Sent: Monday, November 21, 2005 1:17 PM
> To: Q-LIST@...
> Subject: [Q-LIST] Over the Pacific!
>
>
> Well Saturday was another one of those beautiful lazy, crazy Cobalt
> Blue California days. So several of us, Glassair Geoff, Long EZE Ray,
> RV Roger, RV Barry and I decided to go to Half Moon Bay for Calamari
> on the beach. Trip time from Livermore to Half Moon under SFO B space
> Bay, 15 minutes. The place was crawlin' with tourists and locals out
> to soak up the rays. Vendors were selling fish on the docks. Kids were
> playing in the sand. Landing was very busy with us and 7 other planes
> in the circuit.
>
> What I beautiful time of the year on the Pacific coast. The fresh
> ocean air, the "scenery" and food was good and the company
> substantial.
>
> Cheers,
>
> Jim Patillo
>
>
>
>
>
>
> Quickie Builders Association WEB site
> http://www.quickiebuilders.org
>
>
> Yahoo! Groups Links
>
>
>
>
>




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Re: Over the Pacific!

Patrick Panzera <panzera@...>
 

Jim,

I just read that to my wife, Veronica.
She's ready to start flying with me. :)

We could make the same trip, but we'd have to add 30 min. for distance, and
another 30 min. for speed (or rather, for there lack thereof).

Either way, it would be 3.5 hours or better by car.

Thanks!

Pat

-----Original Message-----
From: Q-LIST@... [mailto:Q-LIST@...] On Behalf Of
Jim Patillo
Sent: Monday, November 21, 2005 1:17 PM
To: Q-LIST@...
Subject: [Q-LIST] Over the Pacific!


Well Saturday was another one of those beautiful lazy, crazy Cobalt
Blue California days. So several of us, Glassair Geoff, Long EZE Ray,
RV Roger, RV Barry and I decided to go to Half Moon Bay for Calamari
on the beach. Trip time from Livermore to Half Moon under SFO B space
Bay, 15 minutes. The place was crawlin' with tourists and locals out
to soak up the rays. Vendors were selling fish on the docks. Kids were
playing in the sand. Landing was very busy with us and 7 other planes
in the circuit.

What I beautiful time of the year on the Pacific coast. The fresh
ocean air, the "scenery" and food was good and the company
substantial.

Cheers,

Jim Patillo






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http://www.quickiebuilders.org


Yahoo! Groups Links





Over the Pacific!

Jim Patillo
 

Well Saturday was another one of those beautiful lazy, crazy Cobalt
Blue California days. So several of us, Glassair Geoff, Long EZE Ray,
RV Roger, RV Barry and I decided to go to Half Moon Bay for Calamari
on the beach. Trip time from Livermore to Half Moon under SFO B space
Bay, 15 minutes. The place was crawlin' with tourists and locals out
to soak up the rays. Vendors were selling fish on the docks. Kids were
playing in the sand. Landing was very busy with us and 7 other planes
in the circuit.

What I beautiful time of the year on the Pacific coast. The fresh
ocean air, the "scenery" and food was good and the company
substantial.

Cheers,

Jim Patillo


Re: Q1 canard

Leon - C <leon@...>
 

----- Original Message -----
From: <damiantwinsport@...>

Leon spoilsport!

Regards,
Damian Gregory N8427 Q200
+++++++++++
Me!?
It may not be a direct replacement, but it should be easily adapted. The
CG will have to be moved forward about 3 inches and tip gear is not an
option.

When I first decided that I "needed" an LS-1 canard the original tubular
spars were not available and finding copies of the QAC templates proved hard
enough - so I decided that if I was going to build from scratch that I might
as well incorporate my own "improvements".

When/If the first insurance check appears in the mail box the load test is
one of the first things to get finished - provided I can round up help to
load the ton +1/4 of cement. (need the cement for another project so I
might as well get double use from it)
==========
Leon McAtee
Really giving the ol' spell checker a good workout


++++++++++++++++++
Even if it proves to be structurally sound it will not
be a direct replacement for either of the stock QAC canards.
====================
Leon McAtee


Re: Q1 canard

damiantwinsport@...
 

Leon spoilsport!

Regards,
Damian Gregory N8427 Q200

-----Original Message-----
From: Leon - C <leon@...>
To: Q-LIST@...
Sent: Mon, 21 Nov 2005 11:39:18 -0700
Subject: Re: [Q-LIST] Re: Q1 canard


----- Original Message -----
From: "Peter Harris" <peterjfharris@...>
To: <Q-LIST@...>
Sent: Sunday, November 20, 2005 5:44 AM
Subject: Re: [Q-LIST] Re: Q1 canard


Matt my comments refer to the original single tubular carbon fibre spar
which is quite different from Leon's CF spar for the Q1.
Peter
Just to be completely clear - I was referring to Alan Thayer's version.
Mine is similar, but not yet tested, and deviates in other significant ways
from the original. Even if it proves to be structurally sound it will not
be a direct replacement for either of the stock QAC canards.
====================
Leon McAtee





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Re: Alan Thayer's Graphlite Q1 Canard Spar

Leon - C <leon@...>
 

----- Original Message -----
From: "David J. Gall" <David@...>
To: <Q-LIST@...>
Sent: Monday, November 21, 2005 10:21 AM
Subject: [Q-LIST] Alan Thayer's Graphlite Q1 Canard Spar


Leon,

Let me propose a modification to Alan Thayer's spar trough that would make
building the canard with the Graphlite spar a little easier. Instead of
trying to cut the foam core in one pass from one set of templates which
results in the spar trough not being the correct width from root to tip, I
suggest doing a second cut for the spar trough only which would allow for
the different taper ratio of the spar vice the taper ratio of the canard
itself. Food for thought...?
David J. Gall
I hadn't yet noticed that his spar trough was of constant width. Cutting
the cores minus the trough and then sanding the templates for the tapered
trough for a second cut would make for a neater job. Bedding the Graphlite
rods even with a tapered trough take quite a bit more flox than you might
think, which adds weight. I had the thought at one time that it might be a
better idea to switch to the rectangular cross section rods but after a bit
of further thought have come to the conclusion that the bond to the round
rods is probably superior due to the ratio of surface area/volume.

When I get around to his templates I'll add lines for the tapered trough.
I'd really like to get back to work on my own Quickie, but between the
doctors and recalcitrant insurance companies it will be several months
before I have the money and both hands to get anything significant
accomplished.
==============
Leon McAtee
In need of a good Quickie building fix...........Mainlined if possible


Re: Q1 canard

Leon - C <leon@...>
 

----- Original Message -----
From: "Peter Harris" <peterjfharris@...>
To: <Q-LIST@...>
Sent: Sunday, November 20, 2005 5:44 AM
Subject: Re: [Q-LIST] Re: Q1 canard


Matt my comments refer to the original single tubular carbon fibre spar
which is quite different from Leon's CF spar for the Q1.
Peter
Just to be completely clear - I was referring to Alan Thayer's version.
Mine is similar, but not yet tested, and deviates in other significant ways
from the original. Even if it proves to be structurally sound it will not
be a direct replacement for either of the stock QAC canards.
====================
Leon McAtee


member location

Leon - C <leon@...>
 

Ran across this new service on one of my other YahooGroups. Looks like a
pretty good way to locate others in the list.

http://www.frappr.com/

===============
Leon McAtee


Alan Thayer's Graphlite Q1 Canard Spar

David J. Gall
 

Leon,

Let me propose a modification to Alan Thayer's spar trough that would make
building the canard with the Graphlite spar a little easier. Instead of
trying to cut the foam core in one pass from one set of templates which
results in the spar trough not being the correct width from root to tip, I
suggest doing a second cut for the spar trough only which would allow for
the different taper ratio of the spar vice the taper ratio of the canard
itself. Food for thought...?


David J. Gall


Re: Q1 canard BLOO_BLO5

damiantwinsport@...
 

Matt, in reviewing plans for Q2 -200 the spar is joined at Bloo and only extends to BL 05 either side. IMHO and observations of fractured spars the fracture either occurs at Bl11 t0 BL16 and just outside fuselage at about BL22. That outside area is a void between fuselage and the start of control surface box.Once again IMHO IF one were to extend splice area reinforcement from BL00 to BL24 this type of failure under normal to heavy use could be avoided. I believe JIm Patillo was the one who detected early a failure starting at about BL15 and affected a repair on and around this area and has plenty of time since with no apparent problems.

Regards,
Damian Gregory N8427 Q200

-----Original Message-----
From: Peter Harris <peterjfharris@...>
To: Q-LIST@...
Sent: Sun, 20 Nov 2005 13:58:19 +1000
Subject: Re: [Q-LIST] Re: Q1 canard


Matt based on the Q2 construction each spar extends from BL00 to the canard
wingtip. The spars are shaped and bonded at BL00. Also tapered glass spar caps
are fitted top and bottom at BL00 extending out about 1ft each side. As well UNI
glass plies are used at the hull exit to strengthen against compression of the
hull.
These details are covered in the Q2 plans which you can access from the web
link. I am assuming a similar plan is used for the Q1.
Peter

----- Original Message -----
From: matt Hughes
To: Q-LIST@...
Sent: Monday, November 21, 2005 5:53 AM
Subject: [Q-LIST] Re: Q1 canard


Doug, Peter, Leon

I am looking at the option of carbon fiber spars for a Q1. I read the
resources links page on the QBA web page.

The carbon fiber spars sound great. One question. The spars only extend
from BL10 inboard out along the canard from the tip working its way
back..correct. I am concerned about the strength at BL10 - the center section
and where BL10 inboard are connected. Isn't this where most of the fatigue and
stress is showing. It seems that the rest of the canard has been strengthend
but not this joint.

Leon i was not able to get the cad drawings to work but i did read the
instructions.

Thanks for all of your information and interest. I am finding this build
very intersting and kowlegable.


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