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Q200 Cowls

Jim Patillo
 

Earnest,

I saw the cowls you made for Sam a few weeks back. They are beautiful!
Can you contact me at logistics_engineering@.... I would like to
talk with you about them and the plenums.

Jim Patillo


Q2 templates

Larry Severson
 

I have received template Forms #1 to #7 for the Q2 in both CDR and DWG format. I will be converting them to registered PDF files and make them available to members of the list.

I am still missing form #s 8-12.

Larry Severson
Fountain Valley, CA 92708
(714) 968-9852
larry2@...


Re: Q200 Cowls

MartinErni@...
 

Jim,
I'd be glad to make you a cowling but don't have molds for plenums.
Earnest


Re: aluminum spinner - ACS SN-4?

David Chalmers <David@...>
 

Wes, I installed the SN-4 a few years ago. I ordered the front bulkhead but my prop hub was too thick for it so I put the front bulkhead on the lathe and turned it down to the right size. This removed the nice flange that rests against the inside of the spinner so I got some small gauge nylon tubing, slit it down one side and pressed it over the edge of the front bulkhead disc all the way round. It makes a good fit with the inside of the spinner. You can use tubing with different wall thicknesses to adjust the fit. It has held up well so far.

I also have an unused, uncut, white 10" UHS fiberglass spinner (http://www.aircraftspruce.com/catalog/appages/uhs.php). It has a front bulkhead only (spinner is attached to front bulkhead) and is suitable for prop hubs less than 3.25" thick. It would work fine on a Q2 but my prop hub was too thick. If anyone wants it let me know.

Dave Chalmers
TriQ200 N4016G 250hrs
Redmond WA

-----Original Message-----
From: wesisberg [mailto:wes@...]
Sent: Wednesday, January 11, 2006 11:28 AM
To: Q-LIST@...
Subject: [Q-LIST] Re: aluminum spinner - ACS SN-4?


Earnest,

The kit spinner is kevlar? I'll verify mine is, and try to keep it if
so.

Is the kit rear bulkhead kevlar? I've been assuming I should replace
it with aluminum. I'll check that. As I hear it, the risk with
composite bulkheads is that the material clamped under the bolts gets
hot and soft, allowing the prop bolts to loosen, which makes more
fretting/friction, leading to failure. (Are they also just more
brittle/susceptible to cracking?) The aerocomposite (?) bulkheads
report special multi-point bosses to avoid fretting; I'm not sure
exactly what that means or whether it works, or whether it applies to
the kit bulkhead (assuming ftm that's what I have). There are other
FAA-certified composite bulkheads, so I'd expect there's some way to
do them right.

I'll certainly add a front bulkhead. Bob F. has told me how to make
one from aluminum.

Thanks -
Wes


--- In Q-LIST@..., MartinErni@a... wrote:

Wes,
The kit spinner was kevlar and is much tougher than alum. It
does need a
front bulkhead. Is that what you have or is it really fiberglass?
Earnest


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Re: aluminum spinner - ACS SN-4?

Leon - C <leon@...>
 

----- Original Message -----
From: "wesisberg" <wes@...>
To: <Q-LIST@...>
Sent: Wednesday, January 11, 2006 12:27 PM
Subject: [Q-LIST] Re: aluminum spinner - ACS SN-4?


Earnest,

The kit spinner is kevlar? I'll verify mine is, and try to keep it if
so.
The 2 I have here are just plain old glass. Both came with the kits when I
got them, from 2 separate places, and look identical. So I am - assuming -
that they were QAC originals. Doesn't mean that QAC didn't supply Kevlar
ones........
=================
Leon McAtee


Re: aluminum spinner - ACS SN-4?

wesisberg <wes@...>
 

Earnest,

The kit spinner is kevlar? I'll verify mine is, and try to keep it if
so.

Is the kit rear bulkhead kevlar? I've been assuming I should replace
it with aluminum. I'll check that. As I hear it, the risk with
composite bulkheads is that the material clamped under the bolts gets
hot and soft, allowing the prop bolts to loosen, which makes more
fretting/friction, leading to failure. (Are they also just more
brittle/susceptible to cracking?) The aerocomposite (?) bulkheads
report special multi-point bosses to avoid fretting; I'm not sure
exactly what that means or whether it works, or whether it applies to
the kit bulkhead (assuming ftm that's what I have). There are other
FAA-certified composite bulkheads, so I'd expect there's some way to
do them right.

I'll certainly add a front bulkhead. Bob F. has told me how to make
one from aluminum.

Thanks -
Wes


--- In Q-LIST@..., MartinErni@a... wrote:

Wes,
The kit spinner was kevlar and is much tougher than alum. It
does need a
front bulkhead. Is that what you have or is it really fiberglass?
Earnest


[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]


Re: mass balancing

Leon - C <leon@...>
 

Just uploaded some old drawings (DXF and JPG) for the arms to my FTP space.
ftp://ftp02.powweb.com/ Login - qguy Password - Quickie (case sensitive)

I've had a bit of trouble accessing the site with IE. Get an error message,
but if I "refresh" it pops up. I had the instructions in JPG at one time,
but can't find them now. Basically it's just like mass balancing any other
control surface. put enough weigh on that the surface trails level or a bit
nose down.
===================
Leon McAtee

----- Original Message -----
From: "Ron Weiss" <ronweiss4@...>
To: <Q-LIST@...>
Sent: Wednesday, January 11, 2006 9:53 AM
Subject: [Q-LIST] mass balancing


Hi Guy's,
Can anyone out there give me the dimensions and weights of the
arms needed to balance the ailerons and elevators. Also, what's the
placement on the linkage. I'm having a hard time finding that
data...Thanks. Ron





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Re: aluminum spinner - ACS SN-4?

wesisberg <wes@...>
 

Hi Jim -

Mainly I was hoping to hear of bulkheads I could get faster.

I did talk with Brad and did plan the front bulkhead (make or buy).
I try to do the research before posting so as not to waste people's
time, but also I'd like to hear any objections in case I left
something out (e.g., perhaps I should keep the *kevlar* spinner but
use the SN-4 bulkheads, or buy the rear and make the front...).
I have about 100 items on my todo list for 57RM, and I'm trying not
to ask too much of you, Bob, Dave, et al. And if I did try to copy
the beautiful machine next to mine, it would be more like 1000
todo items! Yours does give me something to aim for - after 57RM is
flying again.

Thanks -
Wes

--- In Q-LIST@..., "Jim Patillo"
<logistics_engineering@m...> wrote:

Wes,

You DO need to install a front bulkhead for your spinner. Talk to
Brad Olsen about what happens when you don't. He didn't have one and
his rear bulkhead failed (around the bolt pattern) on our way back
from Oshkosh, leaving the spinner flopping around on his new prop.
Fortunately I saw it just as we landed in Rapid City, SD. A couple
more minutes and it would have failed and could have taken off the
prop as it was already cutting into it.

Jim Patillo N46JP Q200

P.S. All of the issues you keep asking about have been done and are
readily solvable. Just look at the beautiful example next you and
copy it! A no brainer. Remember there are more Q200's on your field
than anywhere else on the earth.

--- In Q-LIST@..., "wesisberg" <wes@c...> wrote:

Hi -

For my Q200 I have a fibreglas spinner and bulkhead that I've
decided
to replace with aluminum (spinner, rear bulkhead and probably front
bulkhead), most likely the Aircraft Spruce one mentioned by Sam
Hoskins in

http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Q-LIST/message/19334

i.e.,

http://www.aircraftspruce.com/catalog/appages/sn4.php

If someone knows of a better (more timely?) alternative, let me
know.
(I considered getting the rear bulkhead and buying or making the
front bulkhead and sticking with the fibreglas spinner, but I'm
guessing I'd save at most a pound for the trouble.)

Thanks -
Wes


mass balancing

Ron Weiss <ronweiss4@...>
 

Hi Guy's,
Can anyone out there give me the dimensions and weights of the
arms needed to balance the ailerons and elevators. Also, what's the
placement on the linkage. I'm having a hard time finding that
data...Thanks. Ron


Re: aluminum spinner - ACS SN-4?

Jim Patillo
 

Wes,

You DO need to install a front bulkhead for your spinner. Talk to
Brad Olsen about what happens when you don't. He didn't have one and
his rear bulkhead failed (around the bolt pattern) on our way back
from Oshkosh, leaving the spinner flopping around on his new prop.
Fortunately I saw it just as we landed in Rapid City, SD. A couple
more minutes and it would have failed and could have taken off the
prop as it was already cutting into it.

Jim Patillo N46JP Q200

P.S. All of the issues you keep asking about have been done and are
readily solvable. Just look at the beautiful example next you and
copy it! A no brainer. Remember there are more Q200's on your field
than anywhere else on the earth.

--- In Q-LIST@..., "wesisberg" <wes@c...> wrote:

Hi -

For my Q200 I have a fibreglas spinner and bulkhead that I've
decided
to replace with aluminum (spinner, rear bulkhead and probably front
bulkhead), most likely the Aircraft Spruce one mentioned by Sam
Hoskins in

http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Q-LIST/message/19334

i.e.,

http://www.aircraftspruce.com/catalog/appages/sn4.php

If someone knows of a better (more timely?) alternative, let me
know.
(I considered getting the rear bulkhead and buying or making the
front bulkhead and sticking with the fibreglas spinner, but I'm
guessing I'd save at most a pound for the trouble.)

Thanks -
Wes


Blog stuff....

olderprograms <groups@...>
 

Hey All,
5 people have signed up for free Quickie Builders Blogs at
http://www.quickheads.com but no one has posted anything yet. So I
just created an admin area of MY blog at:

http://www.quickheads.com/danyager/index.php?/categories/1-Blog-Admin

I've posted a couple of tutorials about how to make posts and insert
pictures with more tutorials to follow. Let me know if they're
helpful, or if you need help with anything in particular.

I also just moved one of Dave H's blogs over to quickheads.com from
blogspot so it is doable if anyone is interested.

You can access all the Quickie Blogs from the homepage at
http://www.quickheads.com and of course QBA members are welcome to
sign up for their free blog from the their also.

Good luck and happy blogging!

Cheers,
Dan Yager
---------
I have some Q-200 parts in my garage, some are in Arizona, and some
more are in Ohio. I'm begginning to think Johnny Cash wrote a song
about it... It was an '80... '81... '83... '84... '85... '86....!


Re: aluminum spinner - ACS SN-4?

MartinErni@...
 

Wes,
The rear bulkhead is kevlar also and I have never heard of one failing.
Kevlar is tough as nails and will not crack. The biggest problem is cutting
it. It takes very, very sharp tools. An easy way to make a front bulkhead is
to make a sandwich of thin but dense foam with a layer of bid on each side.
Then cut out a hole in the center that is the exact size of your prop crush
plate. It has to fit tight and does not go under the plate, just fits around it.
Then cut the outside diameter of the sandwich the same size as the spinner
inside diameter at the crush plate location. This cut should be beveled to fit
snuggly inside the spinner. When the spinner is installed the prop and crush
plate hold the front bulkhead in one direction and the spinner holds it in
the other. This way the front of the spinner can't move in any direction as
long as you keep it a tight fit. Jerry Marstall used this method very
successfully on his Q2. I would consider putting a flox closeout where the foam is
exposed.
Earnest


Re: aluminum spinner - ACS SN-4?

Peter Harris <peterjfharris@...>
 

I think balance is a big factor but not so easy to balance the cone.
Peter

----- Original Message -----
From: Jim Patillo
To: Q-LIST@...
Sent: Friday, January 13, 2006 3:31 AM
Subject: [Q-LIST] Re: aluminum spinner - ACS SN-4?


Sam,

FYI, I've been using an aluminum spinner, aluminum backing plate and
aluminum front bulkhead (wrapped with small diameter black rubber fuel
hose)for 700+ hours now and have never had a problem. The front
bulkhead/rubber hose to spinner is a fairly snug push on fit.

Regards,

Jim P.

P.S. I've now converted the outer bushings on my ailerons and elevators
from steel on steel bushings(factory)to Rulon on steel. It completely
eliminated the up/down slop found on most all Q's. The controls are
extremely smooth. I will keep everyone informed as I complete a 1 yr.
test period.


-- In Q-LIST@..., shoskins@m... wrote:
>
> Apparently the plate/tubing combination was not rock solid and some
movement
> occurred. This movement flexes the back plate and develops cracks.
The cracks
> appear as very thin black lines on the backplate, often around the
> circumference of the crankshaft flange.
> Sam
>
>
>
>
>
>
>






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aluminum spinner - ACS SN-4?

wesisberg <wes@...>
 

Hi -

For my Q200 I have a fibreglas spinner and bulkhead that I've decided
to replace with aluminum (spinner, rear bulkhead and probably front
bulkhead), most likely the Aircraft Spruce one mentioned by Sam Hoskins in

http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Q-LIST/message/19334

i.e.,

http://www.aircraftspruce.com/catalog/appages/sn4.php

If someone knows of a better (more timely?) alternative, let me know.
(I considered getting the rear bulkhead and buying or making the
front bulkhead and sticking with the fibreglas spinner, but I'm
guessing I'd save at most a pound for the trouble.)

Thanks -
Wes


Re: anti fog for canopy

Mike Dwyer <mdwyer@...>
 

I have never had the canopy fog. What conditions cause that?

I use "Clear View" plastic cleaner and polish Part No. AVL-CV-16 WWW.AVLAB.COM, bought it at the Lakeland FL Airshow and have used it for 3? years.

Thanks,
Mike Q200


MartinErni@... wrote:

Has anyone found and used successfully, any product similar to Rain-x to prevent fog inside your canopy? Rain-x states that it should not be used on plastic unless approved by the manufacturer. I guess I have my cabin sealed too tight, but it sure stays warm.
Earnest


Re: Graphic arts designers?

Doug Humble <hawkidoug@...>
 

Allen- Email me at HawkiDoug@... about your graphic arts need.

Doug "Hawkeye" Humble
www.asignabove.net
Omaha NE
N25974

----- Original Message -----
From: <millenniumflier@...>
To: <Q-LIST@...>
Sent: Monday, January 09, 2006 11:34 PM
Subject: [Q-LIST] Graphic arts designers?


Hey Everybody,

Making progress, at least in the forward direction on my Q-2 retrofit... got my radio and transponder pretty much wired up, and boy was it tricky getting to connect those little teeny solder wells on the back of the radio trays... a whiz kid A&P showed me some tips and after wasting so much frustrating time doing them wrong, i've got the hang of it... yes, this really IS an educational experience. Thanks again, Jim P. and Bounds for the manuals! I'll be able to fire up the whole panel here soon and see it it doesn't fry itself to death!

This is way off-topic, but this is a crack group with tons of talented people here, does any of you have any experience in graphic arts design? I desperately need a good graphic arts person for a really interesting project i'm working on... i lost our main graphics guy, and am now stranded with deadlines looming up fast etc. Contact me off-list if anybody would be able to pitch in with re-designing a brochure. Thanks ever so much!

Even with the rain last week, i was out at the airport doing soldering, and that was great. More later.

All the best,

Alan

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Re: aluminum spinner - ACS SN-4?

MartinErni@...
 

Wes,
The kit spinner was kevlar and is much tougher than alum. It does need a
front bulkhead. Is that what you have or is it really fiberglass?
Earnest


Re: anti fog for canopy

MartinErni@...
 

In a message dated 1/10/2006 8:40:52 P.M. Eastern Standard Time,
mdwyer@... writes:

I have never had the canopy fog. What conditions cause that?




Cloudy, cold outside temp, high humidity, vents closed to stay warn.


Re: anti fog for canopy

MartinErni@...
 

Has anyone found and used successfully, any product similar to Rain-x to
prevent fog inside your canopy? Rain-x states that it should not be used on
plastic unless approved by the manufacturer. I guess I have my cabin sealed too
tight, but it sure stays warm.
Earnest


Re: Blog stuff....

Peter Harris <peterjfharris@...>
 

Dan I can see no pictures at quickheads.com
Peter

----- Original Message -----
From: olderprograms
To: Q-LIST@...
Sent: Thursday, January 12, 2006 1:16 AM
Subject: [Q-LIST] Blog stuff....


Hey All,
5 people have signed up for free Quickie Builders Blogs at
http://www.quickheads.com but no one has posted anything yet. So I
just created an admin area of MY blog at:

http://www.quickheads.com/danyager/index.php?/categories/1-Blog-Admin

I've posted a couple of tutorials about how to make posts and insert
pictures with more tutorials to follow. Let me know if they're
helpful, or if you need help with anything in particular.

I also just moved one of Dave H's blogs over to quickheads.com from
blogspot so it is doable if anyone is interested.

You can access all the Quickie Blogs from the homepage at
http://www.quickheads.com and of course QBA members are welcome to
sign up for their free blog from the their also.

Good luck and happy blogging!

Cheers,
Dan Yager
---------
I have some Q-200 parts in my garage, some are in Arizona, and some
more are in Ohio. I'm begginning to think Johnny Cash wrote a song
about it... It was an '80... '81... '83... '84... '85... '86....!





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