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Re: aluminum spinner - ACS SN-4?

Jim Patillo
 

Peter,

I have a Dynamic Prop Balancer which actually makes it fairly easy
to balance the whole assembly in one step. The FAA calls for a
balance if over 2.0 IPS (I think) for certified airplanes? Mine is
balanced to .05 IPS with a near 0 phase angle. It makes the engine
pretty smooth.

The additional problem however, comes from the harmonics of the
airframe as it cuts through the air. You can get a good ground
balance and still have vibration at certain RPM's in the air. You
just have to play with the dynamic balance to compensate.


It would be so nice to be able to balance the whole thing in the air
at a particular cruise speed.

Regards,

Jim


--- In Q-LIST@..., "Peter Harris" <peterjfharris@b...>
wrote:

I think balance is a big factor but not so easy to balance the
cone.
Peter
----- Original Message -----
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Sent: Friday, January 13, 2006 3:31 AM
Subject: [Q-LIST] Re: aluminum spinner - ACS SN-4?


Sam,

FYI, I've been using an aluminum spinner, aluminum backing plate
and
aluminum front bulkhead (wrapped with small diameter black
rubber fuel
hose)for 700+ hours now and have never had a problem. The front
bulkhead/rubber hose to spinner is a fairly snug push on fit.

Regards,

Jim P.

P.S. I've now converted the outer bushings on my ailerons and
elevators
from steel on steel bushings(factory)to Rulon on steel. It
completely
eliminated the up/down slop found on most all Q's. The controls
are
extremely smooth. I will keep everyone informed as I complete a
1 yr.
test period.


-- In Q-LIST@..., shoskins@m... wrote:
>
> Apparently the plate/tubing combination was not rock solid and
some
movement
> occurred. This movement flexes the back plate and develops
cracks.
The cracks
> appear as very thin black lines on the backplate, often around
the
> circumference of the crankshaft flange.
> Sam
>
>
>
>
>
>
>






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Re: Plenums

damiantwinsport@...
 

Ron, Kudos to you and your son.

Regards,
Damian Gregory N8427 Q200

-----Original Message-----
From: Ron <rondefly@...>
To: Q-LIST@...
Sent: Thu, 12 Jan 2006 06:39:13 -0800
Subject: RE: [Q-LIST] Plenums


Hey, they are not that hard to make, you guys stop being so lazy and build
your own. Mine are great, now in carbon fibre and weigh only a few ounces.
Check them out.

http://bld01.ipowerweb.com/contentmanagement/websites/rtrianoc/page10.html



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Subject: Re: [Q-LIST] Q200 Cowls



How much I wood love one to

Thanks Bart Fisher

Quoting MartinErni@...:

Jim,
I'd be glad to make you a cowling but don't have molds for
plenums.
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Re: anti fog for canopy

damiantwinsport@...
 

Earnest, Motul makes anti fog wipes for MC helmet visors it works real good.

Regards,
Damian Gregory N8427 Q200

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To: Q-LIST@...
Sent: Tue, 10 Jan 2006 19:34:22 EST
Subject: Re: [Q-LIST] anti fog for canopy


Has anyone found and used successfully, any product similar to Rain-x to
prevent fog inside your canopy? Rain-x states that it should not be used on
plastic unless approved by the manufacturer. I guess I have my cabin sealed too

tight, but it sure stays warm.
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Re: aluminum spinner - ACS SN-4?

David Chalmers <David@...>
 

Thanks for the info. I'll keep an eye on it. I agree with you - purchasing and installing a spinner is a big PITA. ACS don't give enough information about each spinner and don't seem to really want to sell you one. In the end I bought several to figure out which one would work. Getting the darn thing to fit the prop and be dead straight is a project in itself. If you could buy one pre cut for your prop it would be worth every penny.

Dave Chalmers
TriQ200 N4016G 250hrs
Redmond WA

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Subject: RE: [Q-LIST] Re: aluminum spinner - ACS SN-4?


Apparently the plate/tubing combination was not rock solid and some movement
occurred. This movement flexes the back plate and develops cracks. The cracks
appear as very thin black lines on the backplate, often around the
circumference of the crankshaft flange.
Sam


Re: aluminum spinner - ACS SN-4?

Ron <rondefly@...>
 

--- In Q-LIST@..., "Peter Harris" <peterjfharris@b...>
wrote:

I think balance is a big factor but not so easy to balance the
cone.
Peter
Peter, there is a point on the inside of the cone isn't there? Just
like a tire balancer, support it with a point and spin it while
watching the level line of the rear part of the spinner.

Ron T
----- Original Message -----
From: Jim Patillo
To: Q-LIST@...
Sent: Friday, January 13, 2006 3:31 AM
Subject: [Q-LIST] Re: aluminum spinner - ACS SN-4?


Sam,

FYI, I've been using an aluminum spinner, aluminum backing plate
and
aluminum front bulkhead (wrapped with small diameter black
rubber fuel
hose)for 700+ hours now and have never had a problem. The front
bulkhead/rubber hose to spinner is a fairly snug push on fit.

Regards,

Jim P.

P.S. I've now converted the outer bushings on my ailerons and
elevators
from steel on steel bushings(factory)to Rulon on steel. It
completely
eliminated the up/down slop found on most all Q's. The controls
are
extremely smooth. I will keep everyone informed as I complete a
1 yr.
test period.


-- In Q-LIST@..., shoskins@m... wrote:
>
> Apparently the plate/tubing combination was not rock solid and
some
movement
> occurred. This movement flexes the back plate and develops
cracks.
The cracks
> appear as very thin black lines on the backplate, often around
the
> circumference of the crankshaft flange.
> Sam
>
>
>
>
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>






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Re: Plenums

Ron <rondefly@...>
 

--- In Q-LIST@..., "Ron" <rondefly@r...> wrote:

Hey, they are not that hard to make, you guys stop being so lazy
and build
your own. Mine are great, now in carbon fibre and weigh only a few
ounces.
Check them out.

http://bld01.ipowerweb.com/contentmanagement/websites/rtrianoc/page10
.html



Ron Triano

What, I didn't get flamed by calling you guys lazy for not
building your own. I just wish mine was flying so I could be the
same way, It is a long road to finishing one. I promised myself I am
not going to add any more changes. Hope I can keep that promise.

Ron T



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Sent: Thursday, January 12, 2006 5:19 AM
To: Q-LIST@...
Subject: Re: [Q-LIST] Q200 Cowls



How much I wood love one to

Thanks Bart Fisher

Quoting MartinErni@a...:

Jim,
I'd be glad to make you a cowling but don't have molds for
plenums.
Earnest

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Re: aluminum spinner - ACS SN-4?

One Sky Dog
 

In a message dated 1/12/2006 10:52:50 AM Mountain Standard Time,
bfarnam@... writes:

As another point of info regarding the use of tubing on the front spinner
bulkhead, I also had failures when I used Tygon tubing. When I switched to
polyurethane tubing, the problems went away. Urethane has much higher cut
and abrasion resistance. I have about 250 hours on the urethane and it still
looks good.

Bob F.
N200QK
EAA Flight Advisor



.
As another point no matter what you do there will be relative motion between
the two pieces. The Tygon tubing cannot move or strain to absorb this
motion. The urethane and other softer elastomers can absorb the strain and if the
hysteris of the material is low then internal heating will be small. Caution:
Some rubbery materials suffer from internal heating when constantly strained.

I have limited experience with spinners my aluminum one and backplate were
cracked when I bought the plane. I bought a composite spinner and backplate
from A.S.& S. and could not bring myself to put it on my airplane. I made my own
backplate and spinner out of carbon&#92;epoxy. The back plate has the 2" offset
conic taper from the hub to the rim of the spinner which stiffens the
backplate. I ran a front bulkhead with a tube around the perimeter and it would not
stay on the rim because the plate was not restraned in rotation. I do not
endorse this across the board but I have not run a front bulkhead for 300 hours
with my setup.

As for material choice IMHO: Glass is strong in tension and compression but
it is not stiff so it moves around a lot under low loads. Kevlar is excellent
in tension but poor in compression and wicks moisture. It is extremely tough
and fairly stiff, finishing is a real pain but can be done. Carbon fiber is
strong in tension and compression usually at least as stiff as aluminum in a
laminate and does not suck up water. Down side is cost and when it is
electrically coupled to aluminum it makes a battery, but can be isolated to mimimize
the problem.

Regards,

One Sky Dog


Re: anti fog for canopy

MartinErni@...
 

In a message dated 1/12/2006 5:23:10 P.M. Eastern Standard Time,
damiantwinsport@... writes:

Motul makes anti fog wipes for MC helmet visors it works real good.




Thanks Damian, I assume I have to get it at a bike shop.
Earnest


Re: aluminum spinner - ACS SN-4?

Bob Farnam <bfarnam@...>
 

As another point of info regarding the use of tubing on the front spinner
bulkhead, I also had failures when I used Tygon tubing. When I switched to
polyurethane tubing, the problems went away. Urethane has much higher cut
and abrasion resistance. I have about 250 hours on the urethane and it still
looks good.

Bob F.
N200QK
EAA Flight Advisor

-----Original Message-----
From: Q-LIST@... [mailto:Q-LIST@...]On Behalf Of
Jim Patillo
Sent: Thursday, January 12, 2006 9:31 AM
To: Q-LIST@...
Subject: [Q-LIST] Re: aluminum spinner - ACS SN-4?


Sam,

FYI, I've been using an aluminum spinner, aluminum backing plate and
aluminum front bulkhead (wrapped with small diameter black rubber fuel
hose)for 700+ hours now and have never had a problem. The front
bulkhead/rubber hose to spinner is a fairly snug push on fit.

Regards,

Jim P.

P.S. I've now converted the outer bushings on my ailerons and elevators
from steel on steel bushings(factory)to Rulon on steel. It completely
eliminated the up/down slop found on most all Q's. The controls are
extremely smooth. I will keep everyone informed as I complete a 1 yr.
test period.


-- In Q-LIST@..., shoskins@m... wrote:
>
> Apparently the plate/tubing combination was not rock solid and some
movement
> occurred. This movement flexes the back plate and develops cracks.
The cracks
> appear as very thin black lines on the backplate, often around the
> circumference of the crankshaft flange.
> Sam
>
>
>
>
>
>
>






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Re: aluminum spinner - ACS SN-4?

steve <sham@...>
 

Jim, Where did you buy your Rulon. Do they make bushings or did you fabricate yours?

Steve Ham

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Subject: [Q-LIST] Re: aluminum spinner - ACS SN-4?


Sam,

FYI, I've been using an aluminum spinner, aluminum backing plate and
aluminum front bulkhead (wrapped with small diameter black rubber fuel
hose)for 700+ hours now and have never had a problem. The front
bulkhead/rubber hose to spinner is a fairly snug push on fit.

Regards,

Jim P.

P.S. I've now converted the outer bushings on my ailerons and elevators
from steel on steel bushings(factory)to Rulon on steel. It completely
eliminated the up/down slop found on most all Q's. The controls are
extremely smooth. I will keep everyone informed as I complete a 1 yr.
test period.


-- In Q-LIST@..., shoskins@m... wrote:
>
> Apparently the plate/tubing combination was not rock solid and some
movement
> occurred. This movement flexes the back plate and develops cracks.
The cracks
> appear as very thin black lines on the backplate, often around the
> circumference of the crankshaft flange.
> Sam
>
>
>
>
>
>
>






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Re: aluminum spinner - ACS SN-4?

Jim Patillo
 

Sam,

FYI, I've been using an aluminum spinner, aluminum backing plate and
aluminum front bulkhead (wrapped with small diameter black rubber fuel
hose)for 700+ hours now and have never had a problem. The front
bulkhead/rubber hose to spinner is a fairly snug push on fit.

Regards,

Jim P.

P.S. I've now converted the outer bushings on my ailerons and elevators
from steel on steel bushings(factory)to Rulon on steel. It completely
eliminated the up/down slop found on most all Q's. The controls are
extremely smooth. I will keep everyone informed as I complete a 1 yr.
test period.


-- In Q-LIST@..., shoskins@m... wrote:

Apparently the plate/tubing combination was not rock solid and some
movement
occurred. This movement flexes the back plate and develops cracks.
The cracks
appear as very thin black lines on the backplate, often around the
circumference of the crankshaft flange.
Sam





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Re: aluminum spinner - ACS SN-4?

shoskins@...
 

Apparently the plate/tubing combination was not rock solid and some movement
occurred. This movement flexes the back plate and develops cracks. The cracks
appear as very thin black lines on the backplate, often around the
circumference of the crankshaft flange.
Sam


Re: aluminum spinner - ACS SN-4?

David Chalmers <David@...>
 

Sam, how did the plastic tubing method fail?

Dave Chalmers
TriQ200 N4016G 250hrs
Redmond WA

-----Original Message-----
From: Sam Hoskins [mailto:shoskins@...]
Sent: Thursday, January 12, 2006 5:08 AM
To: Q-LIST@...
Subject: RE: [Q-LIST] Re: aluminum spinner - ACS SN-4?


In my experience Kevlar is very difficult to make clean non-fuzzy cuts. I
would recommend the aluminum spinner with the aluminum back plate.

Spruce has a limited number of front plates available. As already
mentioned, the geometry of the front plate is dependent on the prop
thickness.

There is a very long lead-time (months) ordering spinners and back plates
from Spruce and they don't always fit perfectly. It might not hurt to order
two back plates and keep one as a spare. Each one is custom made, since
they drill the bolt pattern. The O-200 uses the SAE 1 pattern with 5/8"
bushings.

I tried the plastic tubing method for the front plant and it failed on me,
so I fabricated my own front plate using Kevlar. Carbon fiber probably
would have been a better choice. I installed nut plates and use four screws
to attach the spinner to the front plate.

I have probably installed six spinners in the last 20 years. For me, it's a
real pain in the rear and gut wrenching experience. Overall, I am very
dissatisfied with the ACS product support and customer service. If there
was a suitable off-the-shelf composite spinner supplier I would sure like to
meet them.

Sam Hoskins

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Subject: [Q-LIST] Re: aluminum spinner - ACS SN-4?



Hi Jim -

Mainly I was hoping to hear of bulkheads I could get faster.

I did talk with Brad and did plan the front bulkhead (make or buy).
I try to do the research before posting so as not to waste people's
time, but also I'd like to hear any objections in case I left
something out (e.g., perhaps I should keep the *kevlar* spinner but
use the SN-4 bulkheads, or buy the rear and make the front...).
I have about 100 items on my todo list for 57RM, and I'm trying not
to ask too much of you, Bob, Dave, et al. And if I did try to copy
the beautiful machine next to mine, it would be more like 1000
todo items! Yours does give me something to aim for - after 57RM is
flying again.

Thanks -
Wes

--- In Q-LIST@..., "Jim Patillo"
<logistics_engineering@m...> wrote:

Wes,

You DO need to install a front bulkhead for your spinner. Talk to
Brad Olsen about what happens when you don't. He didn't have one and
his rear bulkhead failed (around the bolt pattern) on our way back
from Oshkosh, leaving the spinner flopping around on his new prop.
Fortunately I saw it just as we landed in Rapid City, SD. A couple
more minutes and it would have failed and could have taken off the
prop as it was already cutting into it.

Jim Patillo N46JP Q200

P.S. All of the issues you keep asking about have been done and are
readily solvable. Just look at the beautiful example next you and
copy it! A no brainer. Remember there are more Q200's on your field
than anywhere else on the earth.

--- In Q-LIST@..., "wesisberg" <wes@c...> wrote:

Hi -

For my Q200 I have a fibreglas spinner and bulkhead that I've
decided
to replace with aluminum (spinner, rear bulkhead and probably front
bulkhead), most likely the Aircraft Spruce one mentioned by Sam
Hoskins in

http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Q-LIST/message/19334

i.e.,

http://www.aircraftspruce.com/catalog/appages/sn4.php

If someone knows of a better (more timely?) alternative, let me
know.
(I considered getting the rear bulkhead and buying or making the
front bulkhead and sticking with the fibreglas spinner, but I'm
guessing I'd save at most a pound for the trouble.)

Thanks -
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Re: Prop Choice

Peter Harris <peterjfharris@...>
 

Apologies I missread the field length and agree that 1800ft is going to be OK for take off but will cost brakes to stop the landing roll and not a good place to start getting to know the handling. It will be hard to stop in time.
Peter

----- Original Message -----
From: Doug Humble
To: Q-LIST@...
Sent: Saturday, January 14, 2006 6:55 AM
Subject: Re: [Q-LIST] Prop Choice


My advice is to find a different field. Have you flown out of this field
before? These planes are not good grass field birds.

Try Sterba props. http://www.greatplainsas.com/ed.html for info.

Your Email had no name or location. This would be helpful also.

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Omaha NE
N25974
----- Original Message -----
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Sent: Friday, January 13, 2006 1:59 PM
Subject: [Q-LIST] Prop Choice


Dear Group,
I just completed my Q2 with a VW Revmaster Engine and got up in the air
with the original prop.After a few hours flying and talking to other
guys on the field, I doubt the prop - it was sitting just too long on
the shelf under unknown conditions. If not under the porch.
Since quickie owner's are a somewhat rare, I would like recommendations
for a new prop. I´m looking for a no-nonsense prop wich must be capable
to get me in the air on our 1800ft gras strip at 5ft MSL. If I would
have a choice, I would go with a cruise prop.
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Re: Prop Choice

Peter Harris <peterjfharris@...>
 

Doug I operated my Q dragger for years from grass and found it just fine if not too wet and soft.
Peter

----- Original Message -----
From: Doug Humble
To: Q-LIST@...
Sent: Saturday, January 14, 2006 6:55 AM
Subject: Re: [Q-LIST] Prop Choice


My advice is to find a different field. Have you flown out of this field
before? These planes are not good grass field birds.

Try Sterba props. http://www.greatplainsas.com/ed.html for info.

Your Email had no name or location. This would be helpful also.

Doug "Hawkeye" Humble
www.asignabove.net
Omaha NE
N25974
----- Original Message -----
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To: <Q-LIST@...>
Sent: Friday, January 13, 2006 1:59 PM
Subject: [Q-LIST] Prop Choice


Dear Group,
I just completed my Q2 with a VW Revmaster Engine and got up in the air
with the original prop.After a few hours flying and talking to other
guys on the field, I doubt the prop - it was sitting just too long on
the shelf under unknown conditions. If not under the porch.
Since quickie owner's are a somewhat rare, I would like recommendations
for a new prop. I´m looking for a no-nonsense prop wich must be capable
to get me in the air on our 1800ft gras strip at 5ft MSL. If I would
have a choice, I would go with a cruise prop.
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Re: Prop Choice

Peter Harris <peterjfharris@...>
 

Ralph my Q2-Revmaster was fitted with a Cowley wood prop 56"diax49"pitch and that was the perfect match. 2850rpm static and climb at 90mph and 3200rpm WOT cruise at 140KTS CAS at 1500ft.
3200rpm = max power 75hp. Take off roll was about 900ft and climb rate 1100FPM at 90mph.
Peter

----- Original Message -----
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To: Q-LIST@...
Sent: Saturday, January 14, 2006 5:59 AM
Subject: [Q-LIST] Prop Choice


Dear Group,
I just completed my Q2 with a VW Revmaster Engine and got up in the air
with the original prop.After a few hours flying and talking to other
guys on the field, I doubt the prop - it was sitting just too long on
the shelf under unknown conditions. If not under the porch.
Since quickie owner's are a somewhat rare, I would like recommendations
for a new prop. I´m looking for a no-nonsense prop wich must be capable
to get me in the air on our 1800ft gras strip at 5ft MSL. If I would
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Re: Runways

Peter Harris <peterjfharris@...>
 

Ron My Qdragger is fine on 2700ft grass and a tri Q is much shorter.
Peter

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Sent: Saturday, January 14, 2006 1:00 AM
Subject: [Q-LIST] Runways


Looking for input on runway length and type. Can a Tri-Q200 operate out of a 4000 foot grass strip. Or is this plane only for hard surface.
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Re: aluminum spinner - ACS SN-4?

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No spinner looks unfinished and how about the effect on airflow into the cowl ?
Peter

----- Original Message -----
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To: Q-LIST@...
Sent: Friday, January 13, 2006 3:17 PM
Subject: RE: [Q-LIST] Re: aluminum spinner - ACS SN-4?


I tried to measure the difference a few years back. It's hard to measure such a small change but I put it somewhere between 1/2 and 1mph at 170mph.

Dave Chalmers
TriQ200 N4016G 250hrs
Redmond WA

-----Original Message-----
From: Mike Perry [mailto:dmperry1012@...]
Sent: Thursday, January 12, 2006 9:01 PM
To: Q-LIST@...
Subject: RE: [Q-LIST] Re: aluminum spinner - ACS SN-4?


At 07:07 AM 1/12/2006 -0600, Sam Hoskins wrote:
> {snip}
>I have probably installed six spinners in the last 20 years. For me, it's a
>real pain in the rear and gut wrenching experience. Overall, I am very
>dissatisfied with the ACS product support and customer service. If there
>was a suitable off-the-shelf composite spinner supplier I would sure like to
>meet them.
>
>Sam Hoskins

Has anyone compared performance with and without a spinner on a Q-2xx? I
thought Mike Arnold said that he left the spinner off because it didn't
help performance. Any comments?

(haven't watched the AR-5 Videos in a couple of years, but I'm pretty sure
he said that)

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Jim I just realised I missread yout misspoke ! But if you can balance the whole of the assembly including the prop, the spinner and bulkheads that seems like the way to go ?
Peter

----- Original Message -----
From: Jim Patillo
To: Q-LIST@...
Sent: Friday, January 13, 2006 9:38 AM
Subject: [Q-LIST] Re: aluminum spinner - ACS SN-4?


Sorry Peter,I mis-spoke. Thought you were talking about something
else but then read the prior posts and realized my FU.

Jim P.
--- In Q-LIST@..., "Jim Patillo"
<logistics_engineering@m...> wrote:
>
>
> Peter,
>
> I have a Dynamic Prop Balancer which actually makes it fairly easy
> to balance the whole assembly in one step. The FAA calls for a
> balance if over 2.0 IPS (I think) for certified airplanes? Mine is
> balanced to .05 IPS with a near 0 phase angle. It makes the engine
> pretty smooth.
>
> The additional problem however, comes from the harmonics of the
> airframe as it cuts through the air. You can get a good ground
> balance and still have vibration at certain RPM's in the air. You
> just have to play with the dynamic balance to compensate.
>
>
> It would be so nice to be able to balance the whole thing in the
air
> at a particular cruise speed.
>
> Regards,
>
> Jim
>
>
> --- In Q-LIST@..., "Peter Harris" <peterjfharris@b...>
> wrote:
> >
> > I think balance is a big factor but not so easy to balance the
> cone.
> > Peter
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: Jim Patillo
> > To: Q-LIST@...
> > Sent: Friday, January 13, 2006 3:31 AM
> > Subject: [Q-LIST] Re: aluminum spinner - ACS SN-4?
> >
> >
> > Sam,
> >
> > FYI, I've been using an aluminum spinner, aluminum backing
plate
> and
> > aluminum front bulkhead (wrapped with small diameter black
> rubber fuel
> > hose)for 700+ hours now and have never had a problem. The
front
> > bulkhead/rubber hose to spinner is a fairly snug push on fit.
> >
> > Regards,
> >
> > Jim P.
> >
> > P.S. I've now converted the outer bushings on my ailerons and
> elevators
> > from steel on steel bushings(factory)to Rulon on steel. It
> completely
> > eliminated the up/down slop found on most all Q's. The
controls
> are
> > extremely smooth. I will keep everyone informed as I complete
a
> 1 yr.
> > test period.
> >
> >
> > -- In Q-LIST@..., shoskins@m... wrote:
> > >
> > > Apparently the plate/tubing combination was not rock solid
and
> some
> > movement
> > > occurred. This movement flexes the back plate and develops
> cracks.
> > The cracks
> > > appear as very thin black lines on the backplate, often
around
> the
> > > circumference of the crankshaft flange.
> > > Sam
> > >
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Re: aluminum spinner - ACS SN-4?

Peter Harris <peterjfharris@...>
 

Thanks Jim. Sounds as if you have the means to balance as good as it gets.
Peter

----- Original Message -----
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To: Q-LIST@...
Sent: Friday, January 13, 2006 9:33 AM
Subject: [Q-LIST] Re: aluminum spinner - ACS SN-4?



Peter,

I have a Dynamic Prop Balancer which actually makes it fairly easy
to balance the whole assembly in one step. The FAA calls for a
balance if over 2.0 IPS (I think) for certified airplanes? Mine is
balanced to .05 IPS with a near 0 phase angle. It makes the engine
pretty smooth.

The additional problem however, comes from the harmonics of the
airframe as it cuts through the air. You can get a good ground
balance and still have vibration at certain RPM's in the air. You
just have to play with the dynamic balance to compensate.


It would be so nice to be able to balance the whole thing in the air
at a particular cruise speed.

Regards,

Jim


--- In Q-LIST@..., "Peter Harris" <peterjfharris@b...>
wrote:
>
> I think balance is a big factor but not so easy to balance the
cone.
> Peter
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: Jim Patillo
> To: Q-LIST@...
> Sent: Friday, January 13, 2006 3:31 AM
> Subject: [Q-LIST] Re: aluminum spinner - ACS SN-4?
>
>
> Sam,
>
> FYI, I've been using an aluminum spinner, aluminum backing plate
and
> aluminum front bulkhead (wrapped with small diameter black
rubber fuel
> hose)for 700+ hours now and have never had a problem. The front
> bulkhead/rubber hose to spinner is a fairly snug push on fit.
>
> Regards,
>
> Jim P.
>
> P.S. I've now converted the outer bushings on my ailerons and
elevators
> from steel on steel bushings(factory)to Rulon on steel. It
completely
> eliminated the up/down slop found on most all Q's. The controls
are
> extremely smooth. I will keep everyone informed as I complete a
1 yr.
> test period.
>
>
> -- In Q-LIST@..., shoskins@m... wrote:
> >
> > Apparently the plate/tubing combination was not rock solid and
some
> movement
> > occurred. This movement flexes the back plate and develops
cracks.
> The cracks
> > appear as very thin black lines on the backplate, often around
the
> > circumference of the crankshaft flange.
> > Sam
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
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