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Re: Alert! Alert!

One Sky Dog
 

In a message dated 7/19/2006 2:25:25 PM Mountain Daylight Time,
chris-rayner@btconnect.com writes:



Jim, thanks for your advice - certainly vapor lock is a no-no. However,
there must be a safe distance between fuel lines and exhausts, or a suitable
method of insulating one from the other because they exist in the same engine
bay. When I say "hope", this should be made a bit more certain by the hours of
taxi testing that will be done before first flight.

Best regards
Chris Rayner





Chris'

An Aluminum cover with a cold air blast tube from the upper cowl pressure
box should keep it cool. My Dragonfly went 850 hrs with a gascolator on the
bottom of the firewall. No vapor lock problems.

Regards,

Charlie


Re: Want epoxy recommendation for new construction

One Sky Dog
 

In a message dated 7/19/2006 11:35:49 AM Mountain Daylight Time,
David@Gall.com writes:



Hi guys,

I'd like to hear your recommendations for which epoxy system to choose for
construction of a new Quickie. Yes, I'm researching the archives and no, I
don't want to start a debate. Some experienced answers would be most
welcome.

Thanks,

David J. Gall






Dave,

My vote is for Aeropoxy by PTM&W.

PTM&W makes a lot of aerospace epoxy laminating and high temp tooling
epoxies. They sell a 2050 aerospace lamanating epoxy with a Tg of 198F. This is the
exact stuff that Aeropoxy is, they have isolated themselves from
homebuilders through the distributors. I cannot buy Aeropoxy from my aero supplier, I
have talked to the western engineering sales reps and asked them direct about
Aeropoxy. Too many people do not understand the importance of mix ratio and
mixing procedures and when it turns out gooey they want to know why they got
sold a bad batch.

Regards,

Charlie Johnson
Air Force Research Labs / Advanced Composites Laboratory


Re: Want epoxy recommendation for new construction

bobmoeh@juno.com <bobmoeh@...>
 

David,
I used Aeorpoxy. Mainly because ACS could still ship it without the UPS hazardous material surcharge. That was three years ago. May not apply now.
Bob


Re: Want epoxy recommendation for new construction

n17pf <FisherPaul@...>
 

My data is old (plane was finished in 1990), but I used Safe-T-Poxy.
The replacement is called EZ-Poxy which I have used for small jobs and
it seems very similar.

Here's the stuff:
http://www.aircraftspruce.com/catalog/cmpages/ezpoxy.php

There may be better products, but this one works for anything
structural. Non-structural (like finishing), I used West Systems.

Just my opinion - worth what you paid for it!

Paul A. Fisher
Q-200, N17PF ~1200 hours


--- In Q-LIST@yahoogroups.com, "David J. Gall" <David@...> wrote:

I'd like to hear your recommendations for which epoxy system to
choose for
construction of a new Quickie.
...snip...
David J. Gall


Want epoxy recommendation for new construction

David J. Gall
 

Hi guys,

I'd like to hear your recommendations for which epoxy system to choose for
construction of a new Quickie. Yes, I'm researching the archives and no, I
don't want to start a debate. Some experienced answers would be most
welcome.

Thanks,


David J. Gall


Looking for Dave Rosengrant

David J. Gall
 

Dave Rosengrant,

Please email me off-list.

Thank you,


David J. Gall


Re: Flight report

Bruce Crain
 

Atta' boy Kevin!
I know you have not flown with the tail dragger Q but how are you
liking the tri gear so far? Are you going to Osh' this year?
Bruski
N96BJ






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Re: Flight report

Dave Richardson <dave@...>
 

Congratulations, Kevin! That is fantastic. I'm so thrilled to see this
come together for you.



Keep up the good work.



Dave Richardson

Tri-Q2 N825DR



_____

From: Boddicker [mailto:trumanst@netins.net]
Sent: Tuesday, July 18, 2006 9:50 PM
To: Q-LIST
Subject: [Q-LIST] Flight report



18 July 06
Plan was to work on landings, after doing pitch bucks. TO on 35 with
wind
50° at 5 MPH was different with the reflexor TE up 6°. Not as much force
on
the stick to lift off. Still had to make the plane leave the ground.
Probably due to being in the forward area of the CG. Climb to 5000 ft
MSL.
Flew around to stabilize the temps. Also played with the mixture by
leaning
to peak EGT and then enrichening to 100°F lean of peak.The engine
definitely
runs smoother when leaning, but the CHT heads right up. Just a bit under
400°F. Carb heat on and power back to idle. Not much buck with the
reflexor
TE up 4°, just a high sink rate at first. If I hold the stick all the
way
back it would show a small nose drop. Mainly just a high sink rate,
around
1000 fpm at 80 mph or below.
The power on bucks were a different matter all together. The buck was
not
violent, but at the high AOA it seems to fall through very quickly.
Right
wing would fall off with each buck. Very controllable though.
Back to the field for landings. The first approach was going to be a fly
by
at two feet or so. I came down with a good approach, added power on
short
final to maintain speed. Touched down as softly as I ever have. Made a
full
stop landing of that one. Then just did landings. Third approach was not
perfect, and the nose came up a bit, so I went around. Made four
landings. I
am getting the idea of this new approach and landing, and have more
control
of things.

Kevin Boddicker
Luana, Iowa
Tri Q200 N7868B 19.4 hours
Flying!!!!


Re: Workshop, transport and egress...

Mark A. Pearson <wlkabout@...>
 

You pick up the tail and pull it backwards wherever you want to go. The original saile flyer shows 3 people easily picking a Q1 up. Probably take a 4th or 5th for a 2 or 200

----- Original Message -----
From: Craig Burton
To: Q-LIST@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Tuesday, July 18, 2006 10:36 PM
Subject: [Q-LIST] Workshop, transport and egress...


I am planning on converting an old barn to a workshop this year. In
fact, I just finished the 'deconstruction' of the barn, which was
formerly about 20 by 40 feet, two stories. I would like to keep the
building in the same physical location, since there is already
electricity and water available. However, there is one small
problem: the building is not too close to my driveway and stands
downhill, approximately 50 feet away and about 15 feet below driveway
level.

My question is this: how easily transported is a Q1 or Q2 once
built? Could several people working together carry the craft from
one point to another without damage?

Also, somewhat more generic a question: how big of an opening does a
Q1 or Q2 need to 'escape' from a building?

Thanks in advance,
Craig


Re: Torqued over Epoxy

Sam Hoskins <shoskins@...>
 

Gene, I think the MGS is made by Gougeon brothers. Try calling them
http://www.gougeon.com/

Also, do a Google search on MGS 285 you will find a lot of info.

Sam



_____

From: Q-LIST@yahoogroups.com [mailto:Q-LIST@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of
GeneKnapp2@aol.com
Sent: Tuesday, July 18, 2006 9:21 PM
To: Q-LIST@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [Q-LIST] Re: Torqued over Epoxy



Hey Jim (and to one and all)!!!

I have an Epoxy Question I would like some help on.

Using MGS 285 System

L285 Resin
H287S Hardener - slow
H285F Hardener - fast

I have not been able to find the slow (H287S) avaliable from either
Wicks or Aircraft Spruce.!!!

As in "no longer avaliable". Which should mean MGS has a replacment
slow hardener (one would think).

Does anyone know of a replacment for the slow hardener?

I know there are other systems by other Manufactures out there;
I am stuck on the German glue me self.

Any help will be greatly appreciated.

Gene


Re: [SPAM+++++++] Workshop, transport and egress...

Kerri & Mark <ksm@...>
 

Hi Craig

The Team helped me with measurements when I was looking at the Q1 these are my sizes...
Cannard 4.7m
Wing 5.1m
Fus 5.2m
Height 1.2m aprox
Hope these help

Mark Fitzgerald (slowley dragging zk-jgz back together)


Re: 3D CAD Drawings Q200

Sebastian Harren <s_harren@...>
 

Wire frame sounds great. I also have solid works so that shouldn't be a factor...any idea where to get the wire frame?
thanks
Sebastian


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Re: Workshop, transport and egress...

Thomas O'Grady <ogrady@...>
 

Q2, engine off, removable tail, about a 4 x 8 opening, as long as there is plenty of room to maneuver. One person can move it with the proper dollies. The 15 ft drop could be tricky. I'd want several folks to make sure that it did not get away. 4 folks could certainly carry it.

Tom O'Grady
Anchorage AK

On Jul 18, 2006, at 7:36 PM, Craig Burton wrote:

I am planning on converting an old barn to a workshop this year. In
fact, I just finished the 'deconstruction' of the barn, which was
formerly about 20 by 40 feet, two stories. I would like to keep the
building in the same physical location, since there is already
electricity and water available. However, there is one small
problem: the building is not too close to my driveway and stands
downhill, approximately 50 feet away and about 15 feet below driveway
level.

My question is this: how easily transported is a Q1 or Q2 once
built? Could several people working together carry the craft from
one point to another without damage?

Also, somewhat more generic a question: how big of an opening does a
Q1 or Q2 need to 'escape' from a building?

Thanks in advance,
Craig


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Workshop, transport and egress...

Craig Burton <rccraigb@...>
 

I am planning on converting an old barn to a workshop this year. In fact, I just finished the 'deconstruction' of the barn, which was formerly about 20 by 40 feet, two stories. I would like to keep the building in the same physical location, since there is already electricity and water available. However, there is one small problem: the building is not too close to my driveway and stands downhill, approximately 50 feet away and about 15 feet below driveway level.

My question is this: how easily transported is a Q1 or Q2 once built? Could several people working together carry the craft from one point to another without damage?

Also, somewhat more generic a question: how big of an opening does a Q1 or Q2 need to 'escape' from a building?

Thanks in advance,
Craig


Flight report

Boddicker <trumanst@...>
 

18 July 06
Plan was to work on landings, after doing pitch bucks. TO on 35 with wind
50° at 5 MPH was different with the reflexor TE up 6°. Not as much force on
the stick to lift off. Still had to make the plane leave the ground.
Probably due to being in the forward area of the CG. Climb to 5000 ft MSL.
Flew around to stabilize the temps. Also played with the mixture by leaning
to peak EGT and then enrichening to 100°F lean of peak.The engine definitely
runs smoother when leaning, but the CHT heads right up. Just a bit under
400°F. Carb heat on and power back to idle. Not much buck with the reflexor
TE up 4°, just a high sink rate at first. If I hold the stick all the way
back it would show a small nose drop. Mainly just a high sink rate, around
1000 fpm at 80 mph or below.
The power on bucks were a different matter all together. The buck was not
violent, but at the high AOA it seems to fall through very quickly. Right
wing would fall off with each buck. Very controllable though.
Back to the field for landings. The first approach was going to be a fly by
at two feet or so. I came down with a good approach, added power on short
final to maintain speed. Touched down as softly as I ever have. Made a full
stop landing of that one. Then just did landings. Third approach was not
perfect, and the nose came up a bit, so I went around. Made four landings. I
am getting the idea of this new approach and landing, and have more control
of things.

Kevin Boddicker
Luana, Iowa
Tri Q200 N7868B 19.4 hours
Flying!!!!


Re: Torx

Jim Patillo
 

-I swear this guy is a dead ringer!

Jim

In Q-LIST@yahoogroups.com, "Ron Triano" <rondefly@...> wrote:

Now how would this dago get involved in a jewish demonstration? In
SFO also,
you mean there is someone else that is as good looking as me? Sorry Jim,
wasn't me. I got the screws at General Hardware in Redwood City.



Ron T



Resting while finishing the Sonerai
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-----Original Message-----
From: Q-LIST@yahoogroups.com [mailto:Q-LIST@yahoogroups.com] On
Behalf Of
Jim Patillo
Sent: Tuesday, July 18, 2006 2:02 PM
To: Q-LIST@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [Q-LIST] Re: Torx



Ron,

Were you involved in a Jewish demonstration yesterday in SF. If not
you have a twin.

Jim Patillo

--- In Q-LIST@yahoogroups. <mailto:Q-LIST%40yahoogroups.com> com, "Ron
Triano" <rondefly@> wrote:

Joe, It was me. Ron Triano who mentioned about the cowling screws,
I got
them from my hardware supplier, nothing to do with planes though.
They are
stainless, and are much better. I got allen head 100 degree heads
on them.
The allen won't slip out like the Phillips do. Phillips are made
to slip out
so they are not over tightened. The problem with that is when they
slip out
there goes your precious paint job.



Ron T



Resting while finishing the Sonerai
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ipowerweb.com/contentmanagement/websites/rtrianoc/page1
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-----Original Message-----
From: Q-LIST@yahoogroups. <mailto:Q-LIST%40yahoogroups.com> com
[mailto:Q-LIST@yahoogroups. <mailto:Q-LIST%40yahoogroups.com> com] On
Behalf Of
Jerry Marstall
Sent: Tuesday, July 18, 2006 10:10 AM
To: Q-LIST@yahoogroups. <mailto:Q-LIST%40yahoogroups.com> com
Subject: [Q-LIST] Torx



I believe it was Joe Triano who mentioned using torx bolts for the
cowling and wheelpants. Where can they be bought in small volumes?
And
can they be bought stainless?
Jerry





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Re: Good Luck Sam

raoborg@...
 

Good luck Sam, I am not sure I will be there this year, you will come in first this year I know it. Raoul

--- shoskins@mchsi.com wrote:

From: "Sam Hoskins" <shoskins@mchsi.com>
To: <Q-LIST@yahoogroups.com>
Subject: RE: [Q-LIST] Good Luck Sam
Date: Mon, 17 Jul 2006 21:08:04 -0500

Thanks, Doug. I depart for Dayton on Saturday. Race is Sunday morning,
weather permitting. Last year I did it in 2:20:53, with an average speed of
200.31 mph. We had pretty good headwinds for the long leg and a fair amount
of turbulence, so that speed was hard fought.

The year before, I was one minute and 10 seconds faster at 2:19:43. That's
the year I took first place.



Regarding cross country racing; overheard on one of our race shuttle buses:



Q. What do you do if you see a barn?

A. Turn left or right.



Q. What do you do if you see a cow?

A. Pull up.



Actually we are under orders to follow all FARs.



I understand there are 60 racers this year, but I have no idea how many
there are in this year's Sprint class (240 cu. In. or less). Maybe Jim P.
is showing up and he's just not telling me.

Here's the race website: http://www.airventurecup.com/main.html

Just because I'm keeping track, here's my progress over the years. All
speeds in mph.

2002 172.08 1,000 mile race - two days 2nd place

2003 182.53 1,000 mile race - two days 4th place

2004 201.12 500 mile race, one day 1st place

2005 200.31 500 mile race, one day 2nd place



See you at Oshkosh.



Sam



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From: Q-LIST@yahoogroups.com [mailto:Q-LIST@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of
Doug Humble
Sent: Monday, July 17, 2006 7:51 PM
To: Q-List
Subject: [Q-LIST] Good Luck Sam



Good luck in your race Sam. When to you take off? Be fast and be safe!

Doug "Hawkeye" Humble
www.asignabove.net
Omaha NE
N25974











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Re: Torx

Patrick Panzera <panzera@...>
 

I saw Ron at a demonstration once...
It was outside the Olive Garden; he was picketing the fact that they don't
have a cannoli.

Pat

-----Original Message-----
From: Q-LIST@yahoogroups.com [mailto:Q-LIST@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of
Ron Triano
Sent: Tuesday, July 18, 2006 3:07 PM
To: Q-LIST@yahoogroups.com
Subject: RE: [Q-LIST] Re: Torx

Now how would this dago get involved in a jewish demonstration? In SFO
also,
you mean there is someone else that is as good looking as me? Sorry Jim,
wasn't me. I got the screws at General Hardware in Redwood City.



Ron T



Resting while finishing the Sonerai
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-----Original Message-----
From: Q-LIST@yahoogroups.com [mailto:Q-LIST@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of
Jim Patillo
Sent: Tuesday, July 18, 2006 2:02 PM
To: Q-LIST@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [Q-LIST] Re: Torx



Ron,

Were you involved in a Jewish demonstration yesterday in SF. If not
you have a twin.

Jim Patillo

--- In Q-LIST@yahoogroups. <mailto:Q-LIST%40yahoogroups.com> com, "Ron
Triano" <rondefly@...> wrote:

Joe, It was me. Ron Triano who mentioned about the cowling screws,
I got
them from my hardware supplier, nothing to do with planes though.
They are
stainless, and are much better. I got allen head 100 degree heads
on them.
The allen won't slip out like the Phillips do. Phillips are made
to slip out
so they are not over tightened. The problem with that is when they
slip out
there goes your precious paint job.



Ron T



Resting while finishing the Sonerai
<http://bld01.
<http://bld01.ipowerweb.com/contentmanagement/websites/rtrianoc/page1>
ipowerweb.com/contentmanagement/websites/rtrianoc/page1
1.html>
http://bld01.
<http://bld01.ipowerweb.com/contentmanagement/websites/rtrianoc/page11>
ipowerweb.com/contentmanagement/websites/rtrianoc/page11
.html



-----Original Message-----
From: Q-LIST@yahoogroups. <mailto:Q-LIST%40yahoogroups.com> com
[mailto:Q-LIST@yahoogroups. <mailto:Q-LIST%40yahoogroups.com> com] On
Behalf Of
Jerry Marstall
Sent: Tuesday, July 18, 2006 10:10 AM
To: Q-LIST@yahoogroups. <mailto:Q-LIST%40yahoogroups.com> com
Subject: [Q-LIST] Torx



I believe it was Joe Triano who mentioned using torx bolts for the
cowling and wheelpants. Where can they be bought in small volumes?
And
can they be bought stainless?
Jerry















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Re: Torqued over Epoxy

GeneKnapp2@...
 

Hey Jim (and to one and all)!!!

I have an Epoxy Question I would like some help on.

Using MGS 285 System

L285 Resin
H287S Hardener - slow
H285F Hardener - fast

I have not been able to find the slow (H287S) avaliable from either
Wicks or Aircraft Spruce.!!!

As in "no longer avaliable". Which should mean MGS has a replacment
slow hardener (one would think).

Does anyone know of a replacment for the slow hardener?

I know there are other systems by other Manufactures out there;
I am stuck on the German glue me self.

Any help will be greatly appreciated.

Gene


Re: Torx

Ron Triano <rondefly@...>
 

Now how would this dago get involved in a jewish demonstration? In SFO also,
you mean there is someone else that is as good looking as me? Sorry Jim,
wasn't me. I got the screws at General Hardware in Redwood City.



Ron T



Resting while finishing the Sonerai
<http://bld01.ipowerweb.com/contentmanagement/websites/rtrianoc/page11.html>
http://bld01.ipowerweb.com/contentmanagement/websites/rtrianoc/page11.html

-----Original Message-----
From: Q-LIST@yahoogroups.com [mailto:Q-LIST@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of
Jim Patillo
Sent: Tuesday, July 18, 2006 2:02 PM
To: Q-LIST@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [Q-LIST] Re: Torx



Ron,

Were you involved in a Jewish demonstration yesterday in SF. If not
you have a twin.

Jim Patillo

--- In Q-LIST@yahoogroups. <mailto:Q-LIST%40yahoogroups.com> com, "Ron
Triano" <rondefly@...> wrote:

Joe, It was me. Ron Triano who mentioned about the cowling screws,
I got
them from my hardware supplier, nothing to do with planes though.
They are
stainless, and are much better. I got allen head 100 degree heads
on them.
The allen won't slip out like the Phillips do. Phillips are made
to slip out
so they are not over tightened. The problem with that is when they
slip out
there goes your precious paint job.



Ron T



Resting while finishing the Sonerai
<http://bld01.
<http://bld01.ipowerweb.com/contentmanagement/websites/rtrianoc/page1>
ipowerweb.com/contentmanagement/websites/rtrianoc/page1
1.html>
http://bld01.
<http://bld01.ipowerweb.com/contentmanagement/websites/rtrianoc/page11>
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.html



-----Original Message-----
From: Q-LIST@yahoogroups. <mailto:Q-LIST%40yahoogroups.com> com
[mailto:Q-LIST@yahoogroups. <mailto:Q-LIST%40yahoogroups.com> com] On
Behalf Of
Jerry Marstall
Sent: Tuesday, July 18, 2006 10:10 AM
To: Q-LIST@yahoogroups. <mailto:Q-LIST%40yahoogroups.com> com
Subject: [Q-LIST] Torx



I believe it was Joe Triano who mentioned using torx bolts for the
cowling and wheelpants. Where can they be bought in small volumes?
And
can they be bought stainless?
Jerry