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Re: Crashed Tri-Q

Jim Patillo
 

Peter & Chris, Christopher,

These kinds of statements don't even deserve an answer but I'll try
any way. I am speaking from experience as well, maybe one hell of a
lot more experience but nevertheless.

Anyone who makes "ACCIDENTAL" take offs in a new airplane needs to
reevaluate his or her skill set or consider another hobby.
Its a clue! Yes, it does happen more that we would like to hear about
and often finalizes in the death of the pilot. How could anyone in
their right mind with minimal to no flying time or even thousands of
hours make a split second decision to continue into the air and not
know what the outcome will likely be. THERE SHOULD NEVER BE AN
INADVERTANT TAKE OFF. Its not funny, not smart and very deadly.

Bewildered
Jim Patillo N46JP Q200 7500 hours +


--- In Q-LIST@..., "Peter Harris" <peterjfharris@...> wrote:

Chris,Jim for what its worth my first flight ALSO was an accidental take
off. My CFI was supposed to check himself into my Q dragger but he
had been
making excuses and told me to practice fast taxi.. up to 55KTS. I
followed
his instructions and of course it started to fly and I judged that
the only
safe thing to do was open the throttle and fly it. My only tailwheel
endorsement was in a PA18 and I had less than 40 hours training in a
C152.total time.

After some time in the training area I returned, made two dummy
approaches
and liked the descent on final. Perfect conditions. I came over the
fence at
65 Kts as taught in the C152, remembered the POH and as soon as the
tailwheel touched I pulled the nose up hard, full stall, lost sight
of the
runway momentarily but it settled beautifully. I have never been
able to do
that since as I make it faster now and always a 3 point landing, but
will
try it again some day, it makes for a short field roll. The canard
acts like
an air brake for a few seconds.

Basically I think this accidental take off thing COULD happen to
others. We
recommend a heap of ground runs, just be careful not to go too fast
before
you are really ready and committed to fly. Apart from yaw at
rotation it is
easy to fly, but think about the landing. The only trick with the Q
birds is
in landing technique and this becomes second nature to those with a few
hours but IMO the very simple secret (for the draggers) is to NEVER take
eyes off the far end of the runway otherwise PIO will kick in and
bite you.

Very sad Chris and hope you reconsider and rebuild that bird. They are a
legend to fly.

Peter (I rebuilt a canard and very happy for it)





_____

From: Q-LIST@... [mailto:Q-LIST@...] On
Behalf Of
Jim Patillo
Sent: Wednesday, 6 September 2006 9:23 AM
To: Q-LIST@...
Subject: [Q-LIST] Re: Crashed Tri-Q




Chris,

I'm sorry to hear about your accident and glad you didn't become
another smoking hole in the ground.

Its kind of interesting you're only a couple of hours away from
Livermore, CA where there's more collective Q knowledge than
anywhere. Yet you never identified yourself or ever showed up at one
of our events. Had you reached out you could have avoided these
stupid mistakes. A hard left roll tendancy is normal for a first
flight and everone here knows it. Once the left elevator is trimed
the issue is resolved. Further how does one accidently lift off?
I've never been able to get my arms around that one! If you and your
plane weren't prepared for flight you should have never left the
ground.

Unfortunately these kinds of accidents continue giving our planes a
bad reputation it does not deserve. Its because of individuals like
you that this airplane is considered "hard to fly and control",
which is rediculous.

I have about 800 hours on my Q200 which is a lot more plane to fly
than a revemaster tricycle gear Q and have never even had it
sideways on the runway. I am not an aviation wizard or an
exceptional pilot but have tried to use comon sense when needed
which usually works.

Regards,
Jim Patillo N46JP Q200 790 hours.

--- In Q-LIST@yahoogroups. <mailto:Q-LIST%40yahoogroups.com> com,
"yellow_tri" <chrisdolly@> wrote:

N33LQ (Tri-Q) was wrecked beyond repair on 8/29. Mechanical parts
and elevators and ailerons are okay, they are available for sale.
Revmaster engine, approximately 500 hours; new pistons, cylinders,
rings about 10 hours. Revmaster carb, belt driven air pump. Ran
perfect, started easily. Main gear, tires (new), wheels, disc
brakes
with new rotors and pads, all farings and wheel pants. Entire
instrument panel: Softcom intercom, VAL com 760 TSO, Narco AT150
TSO
transponder w/altitude encoder, fuel gauge, EGT/CHT combo gauge,
ammeter, oil pressure, oil temp, compass, Attitude Indicator (art
horiz), VG, Air speed (to 200), altimeter, Vertical Speed,
tachometer, and Hobbs with 233 hours. Open to offers.
Chalk the wreck up to inexperience with these types of aircraft.
I
had never flown one of these, nobody here at my airport (Grants
Pass,
OR) had either. I had never flown a wrist action joystick. I had
made about 2 dozen fast taxi's down the runway (accidentally
lifted
off at 65 mph once, came down and destroyed the nose gear). This
time I held forward pressure until the A/S passed 70 and was
accelerating, then eased back on the joystick. Lift off seemed
normal at first then there was a HARD roll left. I corrected to
the
right, but chickened out on continuing the takeoff, cut the
throttle
and headed back toward the runway. The plane came down hard and
took
out the nose gear yet again, eventually left the runway and nosed
over in the dirt. My one experience with a non-certified aircraft.
I can be reached at: chrisdolly@




[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]


Re: Crashed Tri-Q

Ron Triano <rondefly@...>
 

Sad story, Thank God you are alive to talk about it. You are on the right
list now though. There are some old time Q flyers on here that have most of
the answers, shame advantage wasn't taken to get advice etc. from them prior
to the incident. I guess those nose gears will bite.

Ron Triano



Sonerai taxi testing


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-----Original Message-----
From: Q-LIST@... [mailto:Q-LIST@...] On Behalf Of
yellow_tri
Sent: Tuesday, September 05, 2006 2:53 PM
To: Q-LIST@...
Subject: [Q-LIST] Crashed Tri-Q



N33LQ (Tri-Q) was wrecked beyond repair on 8/29. Mechanical parts
and elevators and ailerons are okay, they are available for sale.
Revmaster engine, approximately 500 hours; new pistons, cylinders,
rings about 10 hours. Revmaster carb, belt driven air pump. Ran
perfect, started easily. Main gear, tires (new), wheels, disc brakes
with new rotors and pads, all farings and wheel pants. Entire
instrument panel: Softcom intercom, VAL com 760 TSO, Narco AT150 TSO
transponder w/altitude encoder, fuel gauge, EGT/CHT combo gauge,
ammeter, oil pressure, oil temp, compass, Attitude Indicator (art
horiz), VG, Air speed (to 200), altimeter, Vertical Speed,
tachometer, and Hobbs with 233 hours. Open to offers.
Chalk the wreck up to inexperience with these types of aircraft. I
had never flown one of these, nobody here at my airport (Grants Pass,
OR) had either. I had never flown a wrist action joystick. I had
made about 2 dozen fast taxi's down the runway (accidentally lifted
off at 65 mph once, came down and destroyed the nose gear). This
time I held forward pressure until the A/S passed 70 and was
accelerating, then eased back on the joystick. Lift off seemed
normal at first then there was a HARD roll left. I corrected to the
right, but chickened out on continuing the takeoff, cut the throttle
and headed back toward the runway. The plane came down hard and took
out the nose gear yet again, eventually left the runway and nosed
over in the dirt. My one experience with a non-certified aircraft.
I can be reached at: chrisdolly@clearwir <mailto:chrisdolly%40clearwire.net>
e.net


Re: Crashed Tri-Q

Christopher <qdf_files@...>
 

Make that, "it took off much faster than I thought it would" - the
airspeed indicator hadn't even started to rise yet, duh.


--- In Q-LIST@..., "Christopher" <qdf_files@...> wrote:

One more,

I did a test run in an airplane I bought, just told the tower I
wanted to do a fast taxi down the runway without taking off. The
bird took off at a much faster speed than I thought it would and
startled me so much I put full power in (lots of runway left) and
told the tower I was taking off....

The airspeed indicator was broken, dead... no wonder... THAT and
it
had been signed off by an A&P for its annual!


--- In Q-LIST@..., "Allan Farr" <afarr@> wrote:

Wow - a happy outcome, the best sort. I have also taken off
inadvertently, apparently it happens alot that's why it is even
warned against in the Q POH. My unintentional takeoff happened in
1975 when I was fast taxing a Taylor Monoplane (taildragger), I
had
about 25hrs in a C152 at the time. On my 4th high speed run I
looked
out the side and discovered to my horror that I was airborne. I
immediately closed the throttle, but at the same time I realized
that the end of the runway (grass) was coming up, so I shoved the
power on again. As I flew downwind, I thought I would probably
crash, so I tried to hold the stick with my knees while I put on
the
seatbelt (always be prepared for flight when taxiing). I did a
fairly erratic circuit, and ended up making a heavy landing right
in
front of another a/c holding at the end of the runway. My plane
did
1 big bounce and then stopped - all the forward energy absorbed by
the bounce. Luckily there was no harm done to me or the plane but
I
did have to explain myself to the rather furious CFI who had seen
the whole thing. Also a friend who had seen me takeoff and almost
stall/spin when I momentarily closed the throttle, jumped in a
C172
and did an "ag style" takeoff, right across the aerodrome, he was
thinking he may be needed to help get me back down in one piece.
He
also ended up "on the mat" in front of the CFI. Great fun those
early flying days, but I don't intend to repeat that sort of
incident once I start fast taxiing my Q.
Allan F
Q2 Rev


----- Original Message -----
From: Peter Harris
To: Q-LIST@...
Sent: Wednesday, 6 September 2006 18:52
Subject: RE: [Q-LIST] Re: Crashed Tri-Q


Chris,Jim for what its worth my first flight ALSO was an
accidental take
off. My CFI was supposed to check himself into my Q dragger
but
he had been
making excuses and told me to practice fast taxi.. up to
55KTS.
I followed
his instructions and of course it started to fly and I judged
that the only
safe thing to do was open the throttle and fly it. My only
tailwheel
endorsement was in a PA18 and I had less than 40 hours
training
in a
C152.total time.

After some time in the training area I returned, made two
dummy
approaches
and liked the descent on final. Perfect conditions. I came
over
the fence at
65 Kts as taught in the C152, remembered the POH and as soon
as
the
tailwheel touched I pulled the nose up hard, full stall, lost
sight of the
runway momentarily but it settled beautifully. I have never
been
able to do
that since as I make it faster now and always a 3 point
landing,
but will
try it again some day, it makes for a short field roll. The
canard acts like
an air brake for a few seconds.

Basically I think this accidental take off thing COULD happen
to
others. We
recommend a heap of ground runs, just be careful not to go too
fast before
you are really ready and committed to fly. Apart from yaw at
rotation it is
easy to fly, but think about the landing. The only trick with
the Q birds is
in landing technique and this becomes second nature to those
with a few
hours but IMO the very simple secret (for the draggers) is to
NEVER take
eyes off the far end of the runway otherwise PIO will kick in
and bite you.

Very sad Chris and hope you reconsider and rebuild that bird.
They are a
legend to fly.

Peter (I rebuilt a canard and very happy for it)

_____

From: Q-LIST@... [mailto:Q-LIST@...]
On
Behalf Of
Jim Patillo
Sent: Wednesday, 6 September 2006 9:23 AM
To: Q-LIST@...
Subject: [Q-LIST] Re: Crashed Tri-Q

Chris,

I'm sorry to hear about your accident and glad you didn't
become
another smoking hole in the ground.

Its kind of interesting you're only a couple of hours away
from
Livermore, CA where there's more collective Q knowledge than
anywhere. Yet you never identified yourself or ever showed up
at
one
of our events. Had you reached out you could have avoided
these
stupid mistakes. A hard left roll tendancy is normal for a
first
flight and everone here knows it. Once the left elevator is
trimed
the issue is resolved. Further how does one accidently lift
off?
I've never been able to get my arms around that one! If you
and
your
plane weren't prepared for flight you should have never left
the
ground.

Unfortunately these kinds of accidents continue giving our
planes a
bad reputation it does not deserve. Its because of individuals
like
you that this airplane is considered "hard to fly and
control",
which is rediculous.

I have about 800 hours on my Q200 which is a lot more plane to
fly
than a revemaster tricycle gear Q and have never even had it
sideways on the runway. I am not an aviation wizard or an
exceptional pilot but have tried to use comon sense when
needed
which usually works.

Regards,
Jim Patillo N46JP Q200 790 hours.

--- In Q-LIST@yahoogroups. <mailto:Q-LIST%40yahoogroups.com>
com,
"yellow_tri" <chrisdolly@> wrote:
>
> N33LQ (Tri-Q) was wrecked beyond repair on 8/29. Mechanical
parts
> and elevators and ailerons are okay, they are available for
sale.
> Revmaster engine, approximately 500 hours; new pistons,
cylinders,
> rings about 10 hours. Revmaster carb, belt driven air pump.
Ran
> perfect, started easily. Main gear, tires (new), wheels,
disc
brakes
> with new rotors and pads, all farings and wheel pants.
Entire
> instrument panel: Softcom intercom, VAL com 760 TSO, Narco
AT150
TSO
> transponder w/altitude encoder, fuel gauge, EGT/CHT combo
gauge,
> ammeter, oil pressure, oil temp, compass, Attitude Indicator
(art
> horiz), VG, Air speed (to 200), altimeter, Vertical Speed,
> tachometer, and Hobbs with 233 hours. Open to offers.
> Chalk the wreck up to inexperience with these types of
aircraft.
I
> had never flown one of these, nobody here at my airport
(Grants
Pass,
> OR) had either. I had never flown a wrist action joystick. I
had
> made about 2 dozen fast taxi's down the runway (accidentally
lifted
> off at 65 mph once, came down and destroyed the nose gear).
This
> time I held forward pressure until the A/S passed 70 and was
> accelerating, then eased back on the joystick. Lift off
seemed
> normal at first then there was a HARD roll left. I corrected
to
the
> right, but chickened out on continuing the takeoff, cut the
throttle
> and headed back toward the runway. The plane came down hard
and
took
> out the nose gear yet again, eventually left the runway and
nosed
> over in the dirt. My one experience with a non-certified
aircraft.
> I can be reached at: chrisdolly@
>

[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]





[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]


Re: Crashed Tri-Q

Christopher <qdf_files@...>
 

One more,

I did a test run in an airplane I bought, just told the tower I
wanted to do a fast taxi down the runway without taking off. The
bird took off at a much faster speed than I thought it would and
startled me so much I put full power in (lots of runway left) and
told the tower I was taking off....

The airspeed indicator was broken, dead... no wonder... THAT and it
had been signed off by an A&P for its annual!


--- In Q-LIST@..., "Allan Farr" <afarr@...> wrote:

Wow - a happy outcome, the best sort. I have also taken off
inadvertently, apparently it happens alot that's why it is even
warned against in the Q POH. My unintentional takeoff happened in
1975 when I was fast taxing a Taylor Monoplane (taildragger), I had
about 25hrs in a C152 at the time. On my 4th high speed run I looked
out the side and discovered to my horror that I was airborne. I
immediately closed the throttle, but at the same time I realized
that the end of the runway (grass) was coming up, so I shoved the
power on again. As I flew downwind, I thought I would probably
crash, so I tried to hold the stick with my knees while I put on the
seatbelt (always be prepared for flight when taxiing). I did a
fairly erratic circuit, and ended up making a heavy landing right in
front of another a/c holding at the end of the runway. My plane did
1 big bounce and then stopped - all the forward energy absorbed by
the bounce. Luckily there was no harm done to me or the plane but I
did have to explain myself to the rather furious CFI who had seen
the whole thing. Also a friend who had seen me takeoff and almost
stall/spin when I momentarily closed the throttle, jumped in a C172
and did an "ag style" takeoff, right across the aerodrome, he was
thinking he may be needed to help get me back down in one piece. He
also ended up "on the mat" in front of the CFI. Great fun those
early flying days, but I don't intend to repeat that sort of
incident once I start fast taxiing my Q.
Allan F
Q2 Rev


----- Original Message -----
From: Peter Harris
To: Q-LIST@...
Sent: Wednesday, 6 September 2006 18:52
Subject: RE: [Q-LIST] Re: Crashed Tri-Q


Chris,Jim for what its worth my first flight ALSO was an
accidental take
off. My CFI was supposed to check himself into my Q dragger but
he had been
making excuses and told me to practice fast taxi.. up to 55KTS.
I followed
his instructions and of course it started to fly and I judged
that the only
safe thing to do was open the throttle and fly it. My only
tailwheel
endorsement was in a PA18 and I had less than 40 hours training
in a
C152.total time.

After some time in the training area I returned, made two dummy
approaches
and liked the descent on final. Perfect conditions. I came over
the fence at
65 Kts as taught in the C152, remembered the POH and as soon as
the
tailwheel touched I pulled the nose up hard, full stall, lost
sight of the
runway momentarily but it settled beautifully. I have never been
able to do
that since as I make it faster now and always a 3 point landing,
but will
try it again some day, it makes for a short field roll. The
canard acts like
an air brake for a few seconds.

Basically I think this accidental take off thing COULD happen to
others. We
recommend a heap of ground runs, just be careful not to go too
fast before
you are really ready and committed to fly. Apart from yaw at
rotation it is
easy to fly, but think about the landing. The only trick with
the Q birds is
in landing technique and this becomes second nature to those
with a few
hours but IMO the very simple secret (for the draggers) is to
NEVER take
eyes off the far end of the runway otherwise PIO will kick in
and bite you.

Very sad Chris and hope you reconsider and rebuild that bird.
They are a
legend to fly.

Peter (I rebuilt a canard and very happy for it)

_____

From: Q-LIST@... [mailto:Q-LIST@...] On
Behalf Of
Jim Patillo
Sent: Wednesday, 6 September 2006 9:23 AM
To: Q-LIST@...
Subject: [Q-LIST] Re: Crashed Tri-Q

Chris,

I'm sorry to hear about your accident and glad you didn't become
another smoking hole in the ground.

Its kind of interesting you're only a couple of hours away from
Livermore, CA where there's more collective Q knowledge than
anywhere. Yet you never identified yourself or ever showed up at
one
of our events. Had you reached out you could have avoided these
stupid mistakes. A hard left roll tendancy is normal for a first
flight and everone here knows it. Once the left elevator is
trimed
the issue is resolved. Further how does one accidently lift off?
I've never been able to get my arms around that one! If you and
your
plane weren't prepared for flight you should have never left the
ground.

Unfortunately these kinds of accidents continue giving our
planes a
bad reputation it does not deserve. Its because of individuals
like
you that this airplane is considered "hard to fly and control",
which is rediculous.

I have about 800 hours on my Q200 which is a lot more plane to
fly
than a revemaster tricycle gear Q and have never even had it
sideways on the runway. I am not an aviation wizard or an
exceptional pilot but have tried to use comon sense when needed
which usually works.

Regards,
Jim Patillo N46JP Q200 790 hours.

--- In Q-LIST@yahoogroups. <mailto:Q-LIST%40yahoogroups.com> com,
"yellow_tri" <chrisdolly@> wrote:
>
> N33LQ (Tri-Q) was wrecked beyond repair on 8/29. Mechanical
parts
> and elevators and ailerons are okay, they are available for
sale.
> Revmaster engine, approximately 500 hours; new pistons,
cylinders,
> rings about 10 hours. Revmaster carb, belt driven air pump.
Ran
> perfect, started easily. Main gear, tires (new), wheels, disc
brakes
> with new rotors and pads, all farings and wheel pants. Entire
> instrument panel: Softcom intercom, VAL com 760 TSO, Narco
AT150
TSO
> transponder w/altitude encoder, fuel gauge, EGT/CHT combo
gauge,
> ammeter, oil pressure, oil temp, compass, Attitude Indicator
(art
> horiz), VG, Air speed (to 200), altimeter, Vertical Speed,
> tachometer, and Hobbs with 233 hours. Open to offers.
> Chalk the wreck up to inexperience with these types of
aircraft.
I
> had never flown one of these, nobody here at my airport
(Grants
Pass,
> OR) had either. I had never flown a wrist action joystick. I
had
> made about 2 dozen fast taxi's down the runway (accidentally
lifted
> off at 65 mph once, came down and destroyed the nose gear).
This
> time I held forward pressure until the A/S passed 70 and was
> accelerating, then eased back on the joystick. Lift off seemed
> normal at first then there was a HARD roll left. I corrected
to
the
> right, but chickened out on continuing the takeoff, cut the
throttle
> and headed back toward the runway. The plane came down hard
and
took
> out the nose gear yet again, eventually left the runway and
nosed
> over in the dirt. My one experience with a non-certified
aircraft.
> I can be reached at: chrisdolly@
>









Re: Crashed Tri-Q

Allan Farr <afarr@...>
 

Wow - a happy outcome, the best sort. I have also taken off inadvertently, apparently it happens alot that's why it is even warned against in the Q POH. My unintentional takeoff happened in 1975 when I was fast taxing a Taylor Monoplane (taildragger), I had about 25hrs in a C152 at the time. On my 4th high speed run I looked out the side and discovered to my horror that I was airborne. I immediately closed the throttle, but at the same time I realized that the end of the runway (grass) was coming up, so I shoved the power on again. As I flew downwind, I thought I would probably crash, so I tried to hold the stick with my knees while I put on the seatbelt (always be prepared for flight when taxiing). I did a fairly erratic circuit, and ended up making a heavy landing right in front of another a/c holding at the end of the runway. My plane did 1 big bounce and then stopped - all the forward energy absorbed by the bounce. Luckily there was no harm done to me or the plane but I did have to explain myself to the rather furious CFI who had seen the whole thing. Also a friend who had seen me takeoff and almost stall/spin when I momentarily closed the throttle, jumped in a C172 and did an "ag style" takeoff, right across the aerodrome, he was thinking he may be needed to help get me back down in one piece. He also ended up "on the mat" in front of the CFI. Great fun those early flying days, but I don't intend to repeat that sort of incident once I start fast taxiing my Q.
Allan F
Q2 Rev

----- Original Message -----
From: Peter Harris
To: Q-LIST@...
Sent: Wednesday, 6 September 2006 18:52
Subject: RE: [Q-LIST] Re: Crashed Tri-Q


Chris,Jim for what its worth my first flight ALSO was an accidental take
off. My CFI was supposed to check himself into my Q dragger but he had been
making excuses and told me to practice fast taxi.. up to 55KTS. I followed
his instructions and of course it started to fly and I judged that the only
safe thing to do was open the throttle and fly it. My only tailwheel
endorsement was in a PA18 and I had less than 40 hours training in a
C152.total time.

After some time in the training area I returned, made two dummy approaches
and liked the descent on final. Perfect conditions. I came over the fence at
65 Kts as taught in the C152, remembered the POH and as soon as the
tailwheel touched I pulled the nose up hard, full stall, lost sight of the
runway momentarily but it settled beautifully. I have never been able to do
that since as I make it faster now and always a 3 point landing, but will
try it again some day, it makes for a short field roll. The canard acts like
an air brake for a few seconds.

Basically I think this accidental take off thing COULD happen to others. We
recommend a heap of ground runs, just be careful not to go too fast before
you are really ready and committed to fly. Apart from yaw at rotation it is
easy to fly, but think about the landing. The only trick with the Q birds is
in landing technique and this becomes second nature to those with a few
hours but IMO the very simple secret (for the draggers) is to NEVER take
eyes off the far end of the runway otherwise PIO will kick in and bite you.

Very sad Chris and hope you reconsider and rebuild that bird. They are a
legend to fly.

Peter (I rebuilt a canard and very happy for it)

_____

From: Q-LIST@... [mailto:Q-LIST@...] On Behalf Of
Jim Patillo
Sent: Wednesday, 6 September 2006 9:23 AM
To: Q-LIST@...
Subject: [Q-LIST] Re: Crashed Tri-Q

Chris,

I'm sorry to hear about your accident and glad you didn't become
another smoking hole in the ground.

Its kind of interesting you're only a couple of hours away from
Livermore, CA where there's more collective Q knowledge than
anywhere. Yet you never identified yourself or ever showed up at one
of our events. Had you reached out you could have avoided these
stupid mistakes. A hard left roll tendancy is normal for a first
flight and everone here knows it. Once the left elevator is trimed
the issue is resolved. Further how does one accidently lift off?
I've never been able to get my arms around that one! If you and your
plane weren't prepared for flight you should have never left the
ground.

Unfortunately these kinds of accidents continue giving our planes a
bad reputation it does not deserve. Its because of individuals like
you that this airplane is considered "hard to fly and control",
which is rediculous.

I have about 800 hours on my Q200 which is a lot more plane to fly
than a revemaster tricycle gear Q and have never even had it
sideways on the runway. I am not an aviation wizard or an
exceptional pilot but have tried to use comon sense when needed
which usually works.

Regards,
Jim Patillo N46JP Q200 790 hours.

--- In Q-LIST@yahoogroups. <mailto:Q-LIST%40yahoogroups.com> com,
"yellow_tri" <chrisdolly@...> wrote:
>
> N33LQ (Tri-Q) was wrecked beyond repair on 8/29. Mechanical parts
> and elevators and ailerons are okay, they are available for sale.
> Revmaster engine, approximately 500 hours; new pistons, cylinders,
> rings about 10 hours. Revmaster carb, belt driven air pump. Ran
> perfect, started easily. Main gear, tires (new), wheels, disc
brakes
> with new rotors and pads, all farings and wheel pants. Entire
> instrument panel: Softcom intercom, VAL com 760 TSO, Narco AT150
TSO
> transponder w/altitude encoder, fuel gauge, EGT/CHT combo gauge,
> ammeter, oil pressure, oil temp, compass, Attitude Indicator (art
> horiz), VG, Air speed (to 200), altimeter, Vertical Speed,
> tachometer, and Hobbs with 233 hours. Open to offers.
> Chalk the wreck up to inexperience with these types of aircraft.
I
> had never flown one of these, nobody here at my airport (Grants
Pass,
> OR) had either. I had never flown a wrist action joystick. I had
> made about 2 dozen fast taxi's down the runway (accidentally
lifted
> off at 65 mph once, came down and destroyed the nose gear). This
> time I held forward pressure until the A/S passed 70 and was
> accelerating, then eased back on the joystick. Lift off seemed
> normal at first then there was a HARD roll left. I corrected to
the
> right, but chickened out on continuing the takeoff, cut the
throttle
> and headed back toward the runway. The plane came down hard and
took
> out the nose gear yet again, eventually left the runway and nosed
> over in the dirt. My one experience with a non-certified aircraft.
> I can be reached at: chrisdolly@...
>


Re: Crashed Tri-Q

Peter Harris <peterjfharris@...>
 

Chris,Jim for what its worth my first flight ALSO was an accidental take
off. My CFI was supposed to check himself into my Q dragger but he had been
making excuses and told me to practice fast taxi.. up to 55KTS. I followed
his instructions and of course it started to fly and I judged that the only
safe thing to do was open the throttle and fly it. My only tailwheel
endorsement was in a PA18 and I had less than 40 hours training in a
C152.total time.

After some time in the training area I returned, made two dummy approaches
and liked the descent on final. Perfect conditions. I came over the fence at
65 Kts as taught in the C152, remembered the POH and as soon as the
tailwheel touched I pulled the nose up hard, full stall, lost sight of the
runway momentarily but it settled beautifully. I have never been able to do
that since as I make it faster now and always a 3 point landing, but will
try it again some day, it makes for a short field roll. The canard acts like
an air brake for a few seconds.

Basically I think this accidental take off thing COULD happen to others. We
recommend a heap of ground runs, just be careful not to go too fast before
you are really ready and committed to fly. Apart from yaw at rotation it is
easy to fly, but think about the landing. The only trick with the Q birds is
in landing technique and this becomes second nature to those with a few
hours but IMO the very simple secret (for the draggers) is to NEVER take
eyes off the far end of the runway otherwise PIO will kick in and bite you.

Very sad Chris and hope you reconsider and rebuild that bird. They are a
legend to fly.

Peter (I rebuilt a canard and very happy for it)





_____

From: Q-LIST@... [mailto:Q-LIST@...] On Behalf Of
Jim Patillo
Sent: Wednesday, 6 September 2006 9:23 AM
To: Q-LIST@...
Subject: [Q-LIST] Re: Crashed Tri-Q




Chris,

I'm sorry to hear about your accident and glad you didn't become
another smoking hole in the ground.

Its kind of interesting you're only a couple of hours away from
Livermore, CA where there's more collective Q knowledge than
anywhere. Yet you never identified yourself or ever showed up at one
of our events. Had you reached out you could have avoided these
stupid mistakes. A hard left roll tendancy is normal for a first
flight and everone here knows it. Once the left elevator is trimed
the issue is resolved. Further how does one accidently lift off?
I've never been able to get my arms around that one! If you and your
plane weren't prepared for flight you should have never left the
ground.

Unfortunately these kinds of accidents continue giving our planes a
bad reputation it does not deserve. Its because of individuals like
you that this airplane is considered "hard to fly and control",
which is rediculous.

I have about 800 hours on my Q200 which is a lot more plane to fly
than a revemaster tricycle gear Q and have never even had it
sideways on the runway. I am not an aviation wizard or an
exceptional pilot but have tried to use comon sense when needed
which usually works.

Regards,
Jim Patillo N46JP Q200 790 hours.

--- In Q-LIST@yahoogroups. <mailto:Q-LIST%40yahoogroups.com> com,
"yellow_tri" <chrisdolly@...> wrote:

N33LQ (Tri-Q) was wrecked beyond repair on 8/29. Mechanical parts
and elevators and ailerons are okay, they are available for sale.
Revmaster engine, approximately 500 hours; new pistons, cylinders,
rings about 10 hours. Revmaster carb, belt driven air pump. Ran
perfect, started easily. Main gear, tires (new), wheels, disc
brakes
with new rotors and pads, all farings and wheel pants. Entire
instrument panel: Softcom intercom, VAL com 760 TSO, Narco AT150
TSO
transponder w/altitude encoder, fuel gauge, EGT/CHT combo gauge,
ammeter, oil pressure, oil temp, compass, Attitude Indicator (art
horiz), VG, Air speed (to 200), altimeter, Vertical Speed,
tachometer, and Hobbs with 233 hours. Open to offers.
Chalk the wreck up to inexperience with these types of aircraft.
I
had never flown one of these, nobody here at my airport (Grants
Pass,
OR) had either. I had never flown a wrist action joystick. I had
made about 2 dozen fast taxi's down the runway (accidentally
lifted
off at 65 mph once, came down and destroyed the nose gear). This
time I held forward pressure until the A/S passed 70 and was
accelerating, then eased back on the joystick. Lift off seemed
normal at first then there was a HARD roll left. I corrected to
the
right, but chickened out on continuing the takeoff, cut the
throttle
and headed back toward the runway. The plane came down hard and
took
out the nose gear yet again, eventually left the runway and nosed
over in the dirt. My one experience with a non-certified aircraft.
I can be reached at: chrisdolly@...


Re: Crashed Tri-Q

Mark A. Pearson <wlkabout@...>
 

Chris:
Glad you didn't end up a "smoking hole in the ground" (as Jim noted) and not withstanding the chastising you have coming for violating so much of what the "old heads" have to say; with an experimental it is never "wrecked beyond repair." The major structures of a Q are in some ways the easiest to build. With a little experienced help (in my case Sam Hoskins) a wing can be built in a few days -- waiting for the glass to finish hardening slows you down. With judicious planning and adequate work space a canard and a main wing can be built simultaneously. I hate to see another airframe become a statistic and the plane get an undeserved black eye.
Just my two cents worth. Again, glad YOU didn't become a statistic.

Mark Pearson

----- Original Message -----
From: yellow_tri
To: Q-LIST@...
Sent: Tuesday, September 05, 2006 4:52 PM
Subject: [Q-LIST] Crashed Tri-Q


N33LQ (Tri-Q) was wrecked beyond repair on 8/29. Mechanical parts
and elevators and ailerons are okay, they are available for sale.
Revmaster engine, approximately 500 hours; new pistons, cylinders,
rings about 10 hours. Revmaster carb, belt driven air pump. Ran
perfect, started easily. Main gear, tires (new), wheels, disc brakes
with new rotors and pads, all farings and wheel pants. Entire
instrument panel: Softcom intercom, VAL com 760 TSO, Narco AT150 TSO
transponder w/altitude encoder, fuel gauge, EGT/CHT combo gauge,
ammeter, oil pressure, oil temp, compass, Attitude Indicator (art
horiz), VG, Air speed (to 200), altimeter, Vertical Speed,
tachometer, and Hobbs with 233 hours. Open to offers.
Chalk the wreck up to inexperience with these types of aircraft. I
had never flown one of these, nobody here at my airport (Grants Pass,
OR) had either. I had never flown a wrist action joystick. I had
made about 2 dozen fast taxi's down the runway (accidentally lifted
off at 65 mph once, came down and destroyed the nose gear). This
time I held forward pressure until the A/S passed 70 and was
accelerating, then eased back on the joystick. Lift off seemed
normal at first then there was a HARD roll left. I corrected to the
right, but chickened out on continuing the takeoff, cut the throttle
and headed back toward the runway. The plane came down hard and took
out the nose gear yet again, eventually left the runway and nosed
over in the dirt. My one experience with a non-certified aircraft.
I can be reached at: chrisdolly@...


Re: Inspector and Instructor for Q-2

Sam Hoskins <shoskins@...>
 

Phil, I hope you read the recent "Crashed Tri-Q" messages. That too, can be
you. Don't fly until Jerry says you're ready.

Getting "comfortable" is not enough. Also, you might want to read this,
particularly the last paragraph:
http://home.mchsi.com/~shoskins/wantQuickie.html

Jerry has a proven aircraft.

Sam



_____

From: Q-LIST@... [mailto:Q-LIST@...] On Behalf Of
philmarshall05640
Sent: Tuesday, September 05, 2006 6:57 PM
To: Q-LIST@...
Subject: [Q-LIST] Inspector and Instructor for Q-2



I am buying a Q-2 from Jerry Kennedy in Sioux Falls, SD. I am flying
out to get it Sept 20th. Is there anyone on the list who can vouch
for Jerry's Q-2 or could come and inspect it for me?

I will also need to get at least 5 hours of dual with an instructor
with time in a Quickie because the insurance company insists (and it's
a good idea). I'm willing to fly with Jerry to get comfortable with
it and fly somewhere to get instruction. I hope to go to the fly-in on
the 23rd, but the weather may prevent it. I will be flying it back to
Vermont in anycase.

Phil Marshall, 450 hours (SEL & glider)
Kitfox N1585F and (soon) Q-2 N214FK
Adamant, VT
phil@signalz. <mailto:phil%40signalz.com> com


Re: Crashed Tri-Q

Steve <sham@...>
 

OUCH!!!! but true

----- Original Message -----
From: Jim Patillo
To: Q-LIST@...
Sent: Tuesday, September 05, 2006 6:23 PM
Subject: [Q-LIST] Re: Crashed Tri-Q



Chris,

I'm sorry to hear about your accident and glad you didn't become
another smoking hole in the ground.

Its kind of interesting you're only a couple of hours away from
Livermore, CA where there's more collective Q knowledge than
anywhere. Yet you never identified yourself or ever showed up at one
of our events. Had you reached out you could have avoided these
stupid mistakes. A hard left roll tendancy is normal for a first
flight and everone here knows it. Once the left elevator is trimed
the issue is resolved. Further how does one accidently lift off?
I've never been able to get my arms around that one! If you and your
plane weren't prepared for flight you should have never left the
ground.

Unfortunately these kinds of accidents continue giving our planes a
bad reputation it does not deserve. Its because of individuals like
you that this airplane is considered "hard to fly and control",
which is rediculous.

I have about 800 hours on my Q200 which is a lot more plane to fly
than a revemaster tricycle gear Q and have never even had it
sideways on the runway. I am not an aviation wizard or an
exceptional pilot but have tried to use comon sense when needed
which usually works.

Regards,
Jim Patillo N46JP Q200 790 hours.

--- In Q-LIST@..., "yellow_tri" <chrisdolly@...> wrote:
>
> N33LQ (Tri-Q) was wrecked beyond repair on 8/29. Mechanical parts
> and elevators and ailerons are okay, they are available for sale.
> Revmaster engine, approximately 500 hours; new pistons, cylinders,
> rings about 10 hours. Revmaster carb, belt driven air pump. Ran
> perfect, started easily. Main gear, tires (new), wheels, disc
brakes
> with new rotors and pads, all farings and wheel pants. Entire
> instrument panel: Softcom intercom, VAL com 760 TSO, Narco AT150
TSO
> transponder w/altitude encoder, fuel gauge, EGT/CHT combo gauge,
> ammeter, oil pressure, oil temp, compass, Attitude Indicator (art
> horiz), VG, Air speed (to 200), altimeter, Vertical Speed,
> tachometer, and Hobbs with 233 hours. Open to offers.
> Chalk the wreck up to inexperience with these types of aircraft.
I
> had never flown one of these, nobody here at my airport (Grants
Pass,
> OR) had either. I had never flown a wrist action joystick. I had
> made about 2 dozen fast taxi's down the runway (accidentally
lifted
> off at 65 mph once, came down and destroyed the nose gear). This
> time I held forward pressure until the A/S passed 70 and was
> accelerating, then eased back on the joystick. Lift off seemed
> normal at first then there was a HARD roll left. I corrected to
the
> right, but chickened out on continuing the takeoff, cut the
throttle
> and headed back toward the runway. The plane came down hard and
took
> out the nose gear yet again, eventually left the runway and nosed
> over in the dirt. My one experience with a non-certified aircraft.
> I can be reached at: chrisdolly@...
>


Re: WANTED looking for a q2 q-200 kit

Webcave
 

How about a Q200 email me mulqueen@...
I'll give a rundown and list.

-----Original Message-----
From: fifty101fifty@...
To: Q-LIST@...
Sent: Tue, 5 Sep 2006 1:48 PM
Subject: [Q-LIST] WANTED looking for a q2 q-200 kit


hello all ... im looking for an unstated q2 or q200 kit .... does not
have to be complete but all the pre fab stuff needs to be there (fuse
halves, canopy, cowl etc) let me know what ya got ....thanx



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Quickie Q-200 for sale

James Cartwright <james.cartwright@...>
 

Guys, I have been a part of the group for some time now as I have worked on my plane for several years and then had to put it aside due to some life events. I have just had one of the most un-expected life event happen to me. August 25 my wife gave birth to my first child which is my baby girl. I had not planned on this in my life but now I can not imagine being here with out her. All of this said I have made a decision that I would have never thought I would make. I am going to sell my Quickie Q-200 for a four seater. I appreciate the help from many of you and will be sad to see my Q-200 go. I have both the plane and engine that I will be putting up for sale if anyone is interested please let me know. I am looking for a Cessna 170 to take her place as our family wagon.

Thanks,

James Cartwright
Q-200 - was Building
RV-8 Flying (Wish it had four seats)
J-3 Piper Cub - Just started a restoration due to storm damage
Hangered - M54 Lebanon, TN


Re: Looking for a Q2 Cowl

Ron Weiss <ronweiss4@...>
 

---I have one. Call me at 310-760-2444 Ron


In Q-LIST@..., "M. M." <pistachio914@...> wrote:

Hello,

I am looking to buy a Q2 cowling. Any help in finding one would
be greatly appreciated.

Thanks,

MM


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Re: Crashed Tri-Q

Ron Weiss <ronweiss4@...>
 

--Hey Guy's, This is an unneccessary event. This was Kelly Poors old
plane. I have flown this plane and have spoken with Chris on a
couple occasions. I offered my help as well as the groups to this
guy and his failure is a waste! Not only is a good flying rare
airplane destroyed, the cause will probably be blamed on the
airplane. One question Chris.... Where were you when you needed help
flying? I'm glad you're alright! But, very sad this had to
happen....Ron

- In Q-LIST@..., larry severson <larry2@...> wrote:


A hard left roll tendancy is normal for a first
flight and everone here knows it.
Actually, I didn't know it, but it took a simple right aileron
input
to level the plane.

Once the left elevator is trimed
the issue is resolved.
I did put in a roll trim system based at what I saw at a Livermore
gathering. It leveled the wing easily. I left it in for the second
flight which saw no roll to the left. I later found out that with
one
190 lb pilot the elevator roll system needs about 5/8ths in trim.
With 2 bodies, no roll trim needed. By the way, I have never flown
a
plane as easy and smooth as mine has shown to be in my first 2
flights.

I am not an aviation wizard or an
exceptional pilot but have tried to use comon sense when needed
which usually works.

Regards,
Jim Patillo N46JP Q200 790 hours.
Jim, you have my agreement.


Larry Severson
Fountain Valley, CA 92708
(714) 968-9852
larry2@...


Update on the Tandem Wing Fly-in at Emporia, KS in 18 days!!!

spudspornitzks <spudspornitz@...>
 

Hello Everyone,

I hope everyone had a good Labor day,

Our 16th Annual Field of Dreams Tandem Wing fly-in is only 18 days a
way and everything is shaping up quite nicely, pre-registrations are
rolling in, etc.

I told everyone when we did the last update that we had a special
event just for those flying in their Q's or DF's. We're having the
first annual Q/DF Bird Poker Run. That's right girls and guys; we're
playing "Texas Hold"em Poker". The "Poker Pot" will be based on a
percentage of the overall attendance dollars. We'll pay out two of
three places and of course the final hands will all be played at the
Saturday Night awards banquet where we'll draw those last two cards
(Can you feel the excitement building already). Should be a lot of fun
and great way to winning a little gas money to make that return flight
home just a little bit more fun! If we have any poker playing nuts out
there (no Q/DF pilots) that would like to handle this portion of the
event I would really appreciate the help and their knowledge.

Suggestion: For those traveling in by car. There is a neat area that
is back in the trees on the grass, but right on the edge across from
the main display/ramp area. Bring your comfy chair/recliners (folding)
as it's an awesome spot to watch the whole event "Relaxed".

For those Q/DF pilots that are flying into the event and would like to
camp. I have a few extra small tents. If the is any Q/DF pilots that
would like to camp, but don't want to haul the tents, pillows, etc.
let me know, first come-first served basis….

So you haven't sent in your registration yet!
I'll save my "Last-Minute-Louie: and "Hello Mr. Procrastinator" speech
till around the 14th or 15th as I know most of you were just preparing
those pre-registrations and writing those checks as we speak (Right…)

Very Best Regards,

Your humble host for your 2006 16th Annual FOD Tandem Wing Fly-in,

Spud Spornitz
Olathe, Kansas
(913) 764-5118 evenings
(913) 484-0508 cell
spudspornitz@...


Looking for a Q2 Cowl

M. M. <pistachio914@...>
 

Hello,

I am looking to buy a Q2 cowling. Any help in finding one would be greatly appreciated.

Thanks,

MM


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Re: Q2 KIT FOR SALE

Doug Humble <hawkidoug@...>
 

Kiven, I have a new member who might be interested in your kit. Email me off list at: HawkiDoug@... and I'll give you his info.

Doug "Hawkeye" Humble
A Sign Above www.asignabove.net
Omaha NE
N25974

----- Original Message -----
From: KLWILKS10@...
To: Q-LIST@...
Sent: Tuesday, September 05, 2006 6:08 PM
Subject: [Q-LIST] Q2 KIT FOR SALE


I HAVE A Q2 KIT THAT I WILL SELL THAT IS BASICLY UNTOCHED.IT HAS THE LS1
SPARS THAT ARE UNTOCHED. IF INTERESTED GET AHOLD OF ME (308) 379-1213
KEVIN WILKINSON


Re: Inspector and Instructor for Q-2

Jim Patillo
 

Phil,

Congratulations on the purchase of your new Q.

If you are picking up Jerry's "Q" in 15 days, what have you done to
get yourself ready to fly this Q taildragger and understand the
planes ideosycracies? If the answer is nothing then the results will
be predictable. This is not a difficult plane to fly but without
systems understanding and a proper check out for yourself and the
plane, it might as well be a 727. If you are a current high time,
complex, multi-engine, instrument rated pilot, I would still say the
same. Just ask Geoff Rutledge or Phil Lankford or Ron Weise or Kevin
Bodiker or David Hyatt or Larry Severson. They can clear up any mis
understandings you may have.

Its good that you are casting about for help. Thats a start! Try to
find someone in your area right away and get up to speed. How far
from Boston are you? Dave Dugas is in Boston and has a sweet flying
Q taildragger, maybe he can offer some input. If you don't feel
comfortable, trailer it! May not be as cool as flying it into your
home airport but it will get there in one piece.

Regards,
Jim Patillo N46JP Q200



--- In Q-LIST@..., "philmarshall05640" <phil@...> wrote:

I am buying a Q-2 from Jerry Kennedy in Sioux Falls, SD. I am
flying
out to get it Sept 20th. Is there anyone on the list who can vouch
for Jerry's Q-2 or could come and inspect it for me?

I will also need to get at least 5 hours of dual with an instructor
with time in a Quickie because the insurance company insists (and
it's
a good idea). I'm willing to fly with Jerry to get comfortable
with
it and fly somewhere to get instruction. I hope to go to the fly-
in on
the 23rd, but the weather may prevent it. I will be flying it
back to
Vermont in anycase.

Phil Marshall, 450 hours (SEL & glider)
Kitfox N1585F and (soon) Q-2 N214FK
Adamant, VT
phil@...


Re: Q2 KIT FOR SALE

Jason Muscat <fifty101fifty@...>
 

im interested ... just let me know yoru price and if you have anny pictures please send them... thanx for your reply

KLWILKS10@... wrote: I HAVE A Q2 KIT THAT I WILL SELL THAT IS BASICLY UNTOCHED.IT HAS THE LS1
SPARS THAT ARE UNTOCHED. IF INTERESTED GET AHOLD OF ME (308) 379-1213
KEVIN WILKINSON








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Inspector and Instructor for Q-2

philmarshall05640 <phil@...>
 

I am buying a Q-2 from Jerry Kennedy in Sioux Falls, SD. I am flying
out to get it Sept 20th. Is there anyone on the list who can vouch
for Jerry's Q-2 or could come and inspect it for me?

I will also need to get at least 5 hours of dual with an instructor
with time in a Quickie because the insurance company insists (and it's
a good idea). I'm willing to fly with Jerry to get comfortable with
it and fly somewhere to get instruction. I hope to go to the fly-in on
the 23rd, but the weather may prevent it. I will be flying it back to
Vermont in anycase.

Phil Marshall, 450 hours (SEL & glider)
Kitfox N1585F and (soon) Q-2 N214FK
Adamant, VT
phil@...