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Re: soon to come: Q200 in Germany !

MartinErni@...
 

Sebastian,
Most of the Q200s will be in Emporia Kansas for our annual get together.
That would be your best bet to get rides. That's 9/22 thru 9/24.
Earnest


Re: soon to come: Q200 in Germany !

Sebastian Harren <s_harren@...>
 

Hi everyone,

next week I'll be in Georgia to crate up my first Q200 to be based in Germany. I am really excited about it and I was wondering if anyone is willing to give me a ride for some gas money in his/her Q200 while I am in the states. I'll be arriving Thursday 21st and I'll be staying for a week. Thanks in advance I'd really appreciate it...

Sebastian
first Q200 in Germany


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FW: Re: Larger fuel tank under seat + higher cabin headroom.

Peter Harris <peterjfharris@...>
 

Chris et al if you guys are really serious about building a Q/trifoil
variant get into Q-Performance and research the archives for Jeff Quinn's
work with the Dolphin concept.

Jeff carried that design through X-Plane simulation and was able to
demonstrate much faster cruise and slower stall .Note that the Q-Performance
website was set up especially for those wanting to experiment away from Q
plans. Also check out the Eagle website, a successful commercial trifoil .

Cheers

Peter

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From: Q-LIST@... [mailto:Q-LIST@...] On Behalf Of
Christopher
Sent: Thursday, 14 September 2006 10:44 AM
To: Q-LIST@...
Subject: [Q-LIST] Re: Larger fuel tank under seat + higher cabin headroom.



That's the same thing an engineer told me on another project which
suceeded.

Christopher

Tht--- In Q-LIST@yahoogroups. <mailto:Q-LIST%40yahoogroups.com> com,
oneskydog@... wrote:


In a message dated 9/13/2006 8:12:52 AM Mountain Daylight Time,
qdf_files@... writes:

I'm pretty dedicated
towards doing something different from a regular Q or DF with my
project even if it takes me ten years to finish it. I want to put
a
T-Tail on it as the sole elevator and perhaps look into
flapperons
for both wings.



.
DOA RIP

Regards,

One Sky Dog




Re: Data plates

Rick Hole
 

We see a fair number of completion inspections where I work at
Velocity. The inspector tells us the rules for data plates have
changed in the years since 9-11 and the FAA requires the inspectors to
be more strict. Old installations are OK. New inspections have the
data plate on the outside of the fuselage, pilot side, to the rear of
the entrance (canopy) and visible from the outside. Typically under
the wing as close to the door/canopy as practicable.


Propeller for Dragonfly with VW on ebay

andy <johnnyquest0241@...>
 


Thank you for the advice on tire inflation....(RITZ)

q2blueskies <q2blueskies@...>
 

Hello All...
I would like to thank you for the suggestions received here on my first
post....
Just knowing the Q group is here, makes this journey with my Q2
worthwhile...Look fgorward to meeting the gang someday at a meet...
Sincerely
RITZ


Livermore Q's

Joseph Snow <1flashq@...>
 

Could someone from the Livermore, Ca. airport group of Q owners contact me off the list at 1flashq@....

Thanks,

Joseph Snow


Re: Larger fuel tank under seat + higher cabin headroom.

Peter Harris <peterjfharris@...>
 

Chris et al if you guys are really serious about building a Q/trifoil
variant get into Q-Performance and research the archives for Jeff Quinn's
work with the Dolphin concept.

Jeff carried that design through X-Plane simulation and was able to
demonstrate much faster cruise and slower stall .Note that the Q-Performance
website was set up especially for those wanting to experiment away from Q
plans. Also check out the Eagle website, a successful commercial trifoil .

Cheers

Peter

_____

From: Q-LIST@... [mailto:Q-LIST@...] On Behalf Of
Christopher
Sent: Thursday, 14 September 2006 10:44 AM
To: Q-LIST@...
Subject: [Q-LIST] Re: Larger fuel tank under seat + higher cabin headroom.



That's the same thing an engineer told me on another project which
suceeded.

Christopher

Tht--- In Q-LIST@yahoogroups. <mailto:Q-LIST%40yahoogroups.com> com,
oneskydog@... wrote:


In a message dated 9/13/2006 8:12:52 AM Mountain Daylight Time,
qdf_files@... writes:

I'm pretty dedicated
towards doing something different from a regular Q or DF with my
project even if it takes me ten years to finish it. I want to put
a
T-Tail on it as the sole elevator and perhaps look into
flapperons
for both wings.



.
DOA RIP

Regards,

One Sky Dog




Re: Larger fuel tank under seat + higher cabin headroom.

David J. Gall
 

Christopher,

I am not interested.


David J. Gall
"Learn from the mistakes of others; you won't live long enough to make all
of them yourself."

-----Original Message-----
From: Q-LIST@... [mailto:Q-LIST@...]
On Behalf Of Christopher
Sent: Thursday, September 14, 2006 2:30 AM
To: Q-LIST@...
Subject: [Q-LIST] Re: Larger fuel tank under seat + higher
cabin headroom.

David,

Thanks for responding... I, if I am being told accurate
information is that the performance envelope of the Q are
opened up with a T- Tail allowing slower approach speeds if
the a stabilizer with an elevator is added to the top of the
tail which is five to six feet long becoming a tri-foil
aircraft... if you wan't to call it that.

I wanted to look into deleting the elevators off the canard,
if this can be done. I don't care if the airplane becomes
something else if the performance is improved by as much as 10%.

Due to the public floggings of opinion which come about from
someone even suggesting a radical change to these airplanes I
want to keep discussion off list, if you would be willing to
do so. I have been referred to you for some other questions I had too.

I have a DF, but the way I see it, except for the length of
the wings they are the same airplane, essentially and this
mod, if it works as well as claimed by someone who did a
study on the T-Tail, would apply to either aircraft. This
group is much more active than the DFly group so I passed the
question here about this possibility plus I wanted to look
into the idea of flapperons, but not my main thrust of
interest, mainly the T Tail and perhaps a raised canopy so I
don't hit my head on the top.

Christopher

-- In Q-LIST@..., "David J. Gall" <David@...> wrote:

What was the project?


David J. Gall

-----Original Message-----
From: Q-LIST@... [mailto:Q-LIST@...] On
Behalf Of Christopher
Sent: Wednesday, September 13, 2006 5:44 PM
To: Q-LIST@...
Subject: [Q-LIST] Re: Larger fuel tank under seat + higher cabin
headroom.

That's the same thing an engineer told me on another
project which
suceeded.

Christopher

Tht--- In Q-LIST@..., oneskydog@ wrote:


In a message dated 9/13/2006 8:12:52 AM Mountain Daylight
Time,
qdf_files@ writes:

I'm pretty dedicated
towards doing something different from a regular Q or DF with
my
project even if it takes me ten years to finish it. I want to
put
a
T-Tail on it as the sole elevator and perhaps look into
flapperons
for both wings.



.
DOA RIP

Regards,

One Sky Dog


Re: Data plates

quickieq2uk
 

My data plate is on the centre console aft of the stick. Clearly visible from outside the cockpit.

Simon Wilson
Q2 G-OSAW
United Kingdom

Bob Farnam <bfarnam@...> wrote:
It's supposed to be behind the door (canopy) and visible to a person
standing on the ground. Mine is under the rear wing on the left side of the
fuse. My full data plate is on the seatback bulkhead. The outside one needs
only limited info.

Bob F.
N200QK

-----Original Message-----
From: Q-LIST@... [mailto:Q-LIST@...]On Behalf Of
Dave Richardson
Sent: Friday, September 15, 2006 8:45 AM
To: Q-LIST@...
Subject: RE: [Q-LIST] Data plates

Hi Rich,

I pop riveted mine to the vertical stabilizer being careful not to get
into the comm. antenna that was installed in the rudder. You may need
to shape the metal a bit to fit the curves.

Dave Richardson

825DR Tri-Q2

_____

From: richard [mailto:tbatch2000@...]
Sent: Friday, September 15, 2006 11:10 AM
To: Q-LIST@...
Subject: [Q-LIST] Data plates

Hi guys got a quick question about where to put the data plate and how
to fasten it, How is everyone else fastening there data plates and is
there alt place to put besides where it is suppose to go? I really
dont like the ideia of screwing to the tail cone.

Thanks
Rich
N169TB flying (just getting out of the paint shop)








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Re: Larger fuel tank under seat + higher cabin headroom.

Steve <sham@...>
 

Well said cuz...

Steve Ham

----- Original Message -----
From: Larry Hamm
To: Q-LIST@...
Sent: Friday, September 15, 2006 1:05 PM
Subject: Re: [Q-LIST] Re: Larger fuel tank under seat + higher cabin headroom.


No, it just moves the irrelevant knowledge exchange to it's own forum.
Larry Hamm

mulqueen@... wrote:
> It is and it limits knowledge exchange.
>
> Jack
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: strangedays@...
> To: Q-LIST@...
> Sent: Fri, 15 Sep 2006 1:07 AM
> Subject: Re: [Q-LIST] Re: Larger fuel tank under seat + higher cabin headroom.
>
>
> " I have been told in private email that I can't ask
> questions about anything here which isn't standard build."
>
> That seems a little harsh :(
>
>


Re: Allowed Posts

Steve <sham@...>
 

Jack.
I agree with you as the T tail was a mod to the quickie. But I will have to say that someone who wants to re-engineer and completely re-design his own plane needs to start his own group. Not too many of us have share in his dreams...my 2cents

Steve Ham

----- Original Message -----
From: mulqueen@...
To: Q-LIST@...
Sent: Friday, September 15, 2006 8:50 AM
Subject: Re: [Q-LIST] Allowed Posts


I would consider any T-tail questions as being accetable, There are T-tail Q's flying and the input from and discussion about T-tails would seem very appropriate.

Jack


-----Original Message-----
From: qdf_files@...
To: Q-LIST@...
Sent: Fri, 15 Sep 2006 2:08 AM
Subject: [Q-LIST] Allowed Posts

The person who directed me not to ask questions or post on anything
which isn't standard build in this group said that Q-Performance is
the place for that. So, my take on this is that anything outside of
the normal envelope here isn't welcome and should go to other groups,
even if just a few extra words in a post addressing the T-tail etc but
if you take a look in the files section of THIS GROUP (excuse my
yelling) there is a file uploaded to the Q-List on this very subject
so the issue is a bit complex, I can see.

I probably should even belong to this group anymore or post questions
about Q's now anymore because I bought a DF project although if A Q
came along at the right time which was already flying and within my
budged I'd probably jump on it.

Cheers guys, no offence meant but at the same time I find it difficult
to keep my mouth shut when someone else cant.

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Re: Larger fuel tank under seat + higher cabin headroom.

Larry Hamm <LDHAMM@...>
 

No, it just moves the irrelevant knowledge exchange to it's own forum.
Larry Hamm

mulqueen@... wrote:

It is and it limits knowledge exchange.
Jack -----Original Message-----
From: strangedays@...
To: Q-LIST@...
Sent: Fri, 15 Sep 2006 1:07 AM
Subject: Re: [Q-LIST] Re: Larger fuel tank under seat + higher cabin headroom.
" I have been told in private email that I can't ask questions about anything here which isn't standard build." That seems a little harsh :(


Re: Data plates

Bob Farnam <bfarnam@...>
 

It's supposed to be behind the door (canopy) and visible to a person
standing on the ground. Mine is under the rear wing on the left side of the
fuse. My full data plate is on the seatback bulkhead. The outside one needs
only limited info.

Bob F.
N200QK

-----Original Message-----
From: Q-LIST@... [mailto:Q-LIST@...]On Behalf Of
Dave Richardson
Sent: Friday, September 15, 2006 8:45 AM
To: Q-LIST@...
Subject: RE: [Q-LIST] Data plates


Hi Rich,

I pop riveted mine to the vertical stabilizer being careful not to get
into the comm. antenna that was installed in the rudder. You may need
to shape the metal a bit to fit the curves.

Dave Richardson

825DR Tri-Q2

_____

From: richard [mailto:tbatch2000@...]
Sent: Friday, September 15, 2006 11:10 AM
To: Q-LIST@...
Subject: [Q-LIST] Data plates

Hi guys got a quick question about where to put the data plate and how
to fasten it, How is everyone else fastening there data plates and is
there alt place to put besides where it is suppose to go? I really
dont like the ideia of screwing to the tail cone.

Thanks
Rich
N169TB flying (just getting out of the paint shop)


Re: Data plates

Letempt, Jeffrey MR <jeffrey.letempt@...>
 

Richard,



Mine is inside the cockpit on my Dragonfly, but I did not build the
airplane. A few months ago I was working on another Dragonfly and its data
plate was about ¾" x 2 ½" and was attached to the steel tail wheel bracket.
I thought this was a very neat way to attach the plate to a component that
should be identifiable as an airplane part in the event of an accident.



Just a thought...



Jeff

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From: Q-LIST@... [mailto:Q-LIST@...] On Behalf Of
richard
Sent: Friday, September 15, 2006 10:10 AM
To: Q-LIST@...
Subject: [Q-LIST] Data plates



Hi guys got a quick question about where to put the data plate and how
to fasten it, How is everyone else fastening there data plates and is
there alt place to put besides where it is suppose to go? I really
dont like the ideia of screwing to the tail cone.

Thanks
Rich
N169TB flying (just getting out of the paint shop)





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Re: Allowed Posts

Jim Patillo
 

Jack and Christopher,

A couple of years ago there were individuals not unlike yourselves
comming up with all sorts of "over the edge" thinking on this site. It
was very confusing to a new builder trying to get through the process.
We took a poll and agreed as a group (majority rule) that this site
would be for the builder who actually wanted to build and finish a Q.
Another site was then set up called "Q performance". Unfortunately
this site doesn't get much play because of its radical ideas but does
attract "over the edge" thinking. Don't get pissed because you want a
forum heard here and most people couldn't care less. Go to the other
site with these type questions and you should be a lot happier. In
fact if you have a DragonFly you may just want to stay on that site.
As Charlie said, DOA, RIP!

Best Regards,
Jim Patillo N46JP Q200





--- In Q-LIST@..., mulqueen@... wrote:

I would consider any T-tail questions as being accetable, There are
T-tail Q's flying and the input from and discussion about T-tails
would seem very appropriate.

Jack


-----Original Message-----
From: qdf_files@...
To: Q-LIST@...
Sent: Fri, 15 Sep 2006 2:08 AM
Subject: [Q-LIST] Allowed Posts


The person who directed me not to ask questions or post on anything
which isn't standard build in this group said that Q-Performance is
the place for that. So, my take on this is that anything outside of
the normal envelope here isn't welcome and should go to other groups,
even if just a few extra words in a post addressing the T-tail etc but
if you take a look in the files section of THIS GROUP (excuse my
yelling) there is a file uploaded to the Q-List on this very subject
so the issue is a bit complex, I can see.

I probably should even belong to this group anymore or post questions
about Q's now anymore because I bought a DF project although if A Q
came along at the right time which was already flying and within my
budged I'd probably jump on it.

Cheers guys, no offence meant but at the same time I find it difficult
to keep my mouth shut when someone else cant.



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Re: Data plates

Doug Humble <hawkidoug@...>
 

My data plate is in the cockpit. I think the rule is that it must be visible from the outside when the canopy is closed.

Doug "Hawkeye" Humble
A Sign Above www.asignabove.net
Omaha NE
N25974

----- Original Message -----
From: richard
To: Q-LIST@...
Sent: Friday, September 15, 2006 10:09 AM
Subject: [Q-LIST] Data plates


Hi guys got a quick question about where to put the data plate and how
to fasten it, How is everyone else fastening there data plates and is
there alt place to put besides where it is suppose to go? I really
dont like the ideia of screwing to the tail cone.

Thanks
Rich
N169TB flying (just getting out of the paint shop)


Re: Data plates

n17pf <FisherPaul@...>
 

I had a discussion with the FSDO about this, and you might want to
do the same thing. I have a small stainless plate that has the
required data on it. It is floxed on (not screwed on) under the
wing (just aft of the canopy opening which I believe is the
requirement).

The reason for the discussion with the FSDO was the requirement was
for a "fireproof" attachment of the data plate to the airframe.
Once I explained to the inspector that the entire structure was
glued together, he agreed that gluing the data plate on was
sufficient as long as the data plate itself still met
the "fireproof" requirement.

The other issue I had was how big the data plate had to be. The
FSDO rep read the regulations and he said it had to be "readable
from the ground". So a very small (7 or 8) font is acceptable, and
all you need is manufacturer, model, and serial number. In my case,
that got the data plate down to about 1.5 inches by 1/2 inch.

Please understand all of this data is 16 years old, so your mileage
may vary. That's why I suggest a conversation with the FSDO. The
initial answer that I got was the data plate had to be rivited to
the airframe. It took a professional discussion before we arrived
at a final answer that was acceptable to both of us. My inspector
was very reasonable. He had regulations that he had to enforce, but
we were able to come to a solution that enforced those regulations
without having to rivet somthing onto a composite structure!

Good Luck!

Paul A. Fisher
Q-200, N17PF

--- In Q-LIST@..., "richard" <tbatch2000@...> wrote:

Hi guys got a quick question about where to put the data plate and
how
to fasten it, How is everyone else fastening there data plates and
is
there alt place to put besides where it is suppose to go? I really
dont like the ideia of screwing to the tail cone.

Thanks
Rich
N169TB flying (just getting out of the paint shop)


Re: Data plates

Dave Richardson <dave@...>
 

Hi Rich,



I pop riveted mine to the vertical stabilizer being careful not to get
into the comm. antenna that was installed in the rudder. You may need
to shape the metal a bit to fit the curves.


Dave Richardson

825DR Tri-Q2



_____

From: richard [mailto:tbatch2000@...]
Sent: Friday, September 15, 2006 11:10 AM
To: Q-LIST@...
Subject: [Q-LIST] Data plates



Hi guys got a quick question about where to put the data plate and how
to fasten it, How is everyone else fastening there data plates and is
there alt place to put besides where it is suppose to go? I really
dont like the ideia of screwing to the tail cone.

Thanks
Rich
N169TB flying (just getting out of the paint shop)


Re: Allowed Posts

britmcman99
 

Listen to Charlie. He is that which legends are made of. He knows his
stuff. And as a Dragonfly owner, builder, flyer he is one that is respected by
those who know him.

Cheers,

Phil