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Re: TW Fly-in Sept 22-24 Emp
JMasal@...
I'm trying to avoid getting a car. I'm pretty sure I can get a ride from KCI
with Sam Kittle to Emp. I wonder if I could get back up to the KC area with you after the event?... even if its not until Monday. (No, can be a correct answer by-the-way). j.
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Re: Air Flow at canard - fuselage intersection LS1
Phil,
Mark is kind of quit. He's off working at Homeland Security in DC as of last week. You may never see those pictures in the files. Should of taken pictures when you were here. I said he claims 4 mph, I didn't say he was getting it! We'll verify next time we fly together. Although when he says something you can usually count on it. With his fuel injected pumped up 0200 and this new mod he does have a fast plane. Mark's made many inovations in drag reduction on his plane, like cutting the kidney tank in half and keeping the engine cowling flush with the bottom of fuselage, his own design for VG's on the GU canard and this latest one. All these things make for a slick plane. Regards, JIm Patillo N46JP Q200 --- In Q-LIST@..., britmcman@... wrote: Mark's VG set-up in the files yet? Great work, Mark!
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Pictures
Pat,
Is there any way to relocate my pictures in the files floder to my album in Photo's. Can you do that as the monitor? Thanks, Jim P.
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Re: Air Flow at canard - fuselage intersection LS1
Larry Severson
Golly Jim! Is Mark another 4 mph faster? Are there any pictures of Mark'sAny join of surfaces greater than 45 degrees should be contoured (beer can fillet) for minimum drag. I have not seen (noticed) any that have such a fillet below the main wing on Qs. Larry Severson Fountain Valley, CA 92708 (714) 968-9852 larry2@...
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Re: Larger fuel tank under seat + higher cabin headroom.
Larry Severson
At 06:48 AM 9/15/2006, you wrote:
It is and it limits knowledge exchange.Not really. With 2/3 subgroups, one can get any info wanted without being bothered with extraneous, to them, e-mails. Larry Severson Fountain Valley, CA 92708 (714) 968-9852 larry2@...
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Re: Air Flow at canard - fuselage intersection LS1
David J. Gall
Jim,
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That's some good-looking airflow you've got in that wing/fuselage intersection! David J. Gall
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Re: I need help from you guys
David J. Gall
Jim,
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When you read the posts on yahoogroups, the website (yahoo) truncates email addresses. When you have the posts delivered to you as email, you get all the info. Try this: His address is 1flashq_at_ameritech.net. See below. David J. Gall
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Air Flow at canard - fuselage intersection LS1
All,
A few weeks ago Mark Summers from Livermore (Q200 with GU canard) did an oil flow test and found the canard - fuselage intersection on his plane to be real draggy. The flow lines were all over the place. He installed a vortex generator on the GU (at the 40% of cord area) about 1 1/2" from the fuselage and about 3" of dimpled tape up the side of the fuselage on both sides. He claims about a 4 mph increase in speed as a result. He repeated the flow test and found the area cleaned up significantly and the air was now staying attached. For a long time now we have been told by people like John Ronz that this area was suspect. Many of us thought of reworking the area for drag reduction. As one always looking for speed I did the oil flow test on my Q200 -LS1 canard this weekend and found a totally different situation. The air flow in that area of my plane stays attached. Take a look in the photos section to the left titled Jim Patillo. AS soon as I landed I looked at the flow and the lines were straight. (Note these pictures were taken about 10 minutes after landng and were starting to droop because fo gravity).. It appears the LS1 also cleaned up that area for air flow. The only thing I noticed was that at the sparrow strainer, the flow was not attached fully in that area. Don't know if that is significant or not. Any opinions? Jim Patillo N46JP Q200
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Re: Oil Tank
Ron Triano <rondefly@...>
Sam, I don' have the photos on this computer, will post to the engine group
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sometime tomorrow when I have my laptop up and running. Ron Triano Sonerai IIs done and flying Q200, Back working on it, soon to be flying
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From: Q-LIST@... [mailto:Q-LIST@...] On Behalf Of Sam Hoskins Sent: Sunday, September 17, 2006 8:23 PM To: Q-LIST@... Subject: RE: [Q-LIST] Oil Tank Ron, That is a pretty interesting oil sump. What is their reason for doing all that? I would assume that it is to eliminate the drag from the fat kidney tank hanging below the fuselage. I would hope that you wouldn't take that on, just to accommodate your exhaust. It should be the other way around. I would appreciate it if you also posted those photos on the Q-200 Engine group. http://groups. <http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Q-200_Engine_Group> yahoo.com/group/Q-200_Engine_Group Sam _____ From: Q-LIST@yahoogroups. <mailto:Q-LIST%40yahoogroups.com> com [mailto:Q-LIST@yahoogroups. <mailto:Q-LIST%40yahoogroups.com> com] On Behalf Of Ron Triano Sent: Sunday, September 17, 2006 5:49 PM To: Q-LIST@yahoogroups. com Subject: [Q-LIST] Oil Tank Get new idea's from the formula 1 racers every year. Been wondering what to do to make space for my 4 in one exhaust as the oil tank was in the way. I will put up on the Q list photos section under rondefly 3 new photos. Ron Ron Triano Sonerai is there and Q200 not far behind <http://bld01. <http://bld01. <http://bld01.ipowerweb.com/contentmanagement/websites/rtrianoc/page11.html> ipowerweb.com/contentmanagement/websites/rtrianoc/page11.html> ipowerweb.com/contentmanagement/websites/rtrianoc/page11.html> http://bld01. <http://bld01. <http://bld01.ipowerweb.com/contentmanagement/websites/rtrianoc/page11.html> ipowerweb.com/contentmanagement/websites/rtrianoc/page11.html> ipowerweb.com/contentmanagement/websites/rtrianoc/page11.html
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Re: Oil Tank
Ron Triano <rondefly@...>
Sam, Your assumption is correct, to get rid of the low hanging kidney tank.
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I will come up with what kind of tank I have to make when I build it. Don't think it will be the same shape as they used due to the mounts I have. But the idea will be the same, it will have the same capacity and not sure but probably will make it from Carbon Fiber. I am looking into what would help dispurse the heat best. Will make the bottom part from 3/8 aluminum with the -8 supply in the center and two returns on each side. Probably will dish out the bottom to help the oil flow to the return tubes. This will give me room for the type of exhaust I am installing. I will be using the augmenter type to help pull the cooling air out, I already have my bottom cowl shaped for it. Ron Triano Sonerai IIs done and flying Q200, Back working on it, soon to be flying
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From: Q-LIST@... [mailto:Q-LIST@...] On Behalf Of Sam Hoskins Sent: Sunday, September 17, 2006 8:23 PM To: Q-LIST@... Subject: RE: [Q-LIST] Oil Tank Ron, That is a pretty interesting oil sump. What is their reason for doing all that? I would assume that it is to eliminate the drag from the fat kidney tank hanging below the fuselage. I would hope that you wouldn't take that on, just to accommodate your exhaust. It should be the other way around. I would appreciate it if you also posted those photos on the Q-200 Engine group. http://groups. <http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Q-200_Engine_Group> yahoo.com/group/Q-200_Engine_Group Sam _____ From: Q-LIST@yahoogroups. <mailto:Q-LIST%40yahoogroups.com> com [mailto:Q-LIST@yahoogroups. <mailto:Q-LIST%40yahoogroups.com> com] On Behalf Of Ron Triano Sent: Sunday, September 17, 2006 5:49 PM To: Q-LIST@yahoogroups. com Subject: [Q-LIST] Oil Tank Get new idea's from the formula 1 racers every year. Been wondering what to do to make space for my 4 in one exhaust as the oil tank was in the way. I will put up on the Q list photos section under rondefly 3 new photos. Ron Ron Triano Sonerai is there and Q200 not far behind <http://bld01. <http://bld01. <http://bld01.ipowerweb.com/contentmanagement/websites/rtrianoc/page11.html> ipowerweb.com/contentmanagement/websites/rtrianoc/page11.html> ipowerweb.com/contentmanagement/websites/rtrianoc/page11.html> http://bld01. <http://bld01. <http://bld01.ipowerweb.com/contentmanagement/websites/rtrianoc/page11.html> ipowerweb.com/contentmanagement/websites/rtrianoc/page11.html> ipowerweb.com/contentmanagement/websites/rtrianoc/page11.html
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Re: Oil Tank
Sam Hoskins <shoskins@...>
Ron,
That is a pretty interesting oil sump. What is their reason for doing all that? I would assume that it is to eliminate the drag from the fat kidney tank hanging below the fuselage. I would hope that you wouldn't take that on, just to accommodate your exhaust. It should be the other way around. I would appreciate it if you also posted those photos on the Q-200 Engine group. http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Q-200_Engine_Group Sam _____ From: Q-LIST@... [mailto:Q-LIST@...] On Behalf Of Ron Triano Sent: Sunday, September 17, 2006 5:49 PM To: Q-LIST@yahoogroups. com Subject: [Q-LIST] Oil Tank Get new idea's from the formula 1 racers every year. Been wondering what to do to make space for my 4 in one exhaust as the oil tank was in the way. I will put up on the Q list photos section under rondefly 3 new photos. Ron Ron Triano Sonerai is there and Q200 not far behind <http://bld01. <http://bld01.ipowerweb.com/contentmanagement/websites/rtrianoc/page11.html> ipowerweb.com/contentmanagement/websites/rtrianoc/page11.html> http://bld01. <http://bld01.ipowerweb.com/contentmanagement/websites/rtrianoc/page11.html> ipowerweb.com/contentmanagement/websites/rtrianoc/page11.html
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Re: I need help from you guys
Joseph,
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Its not coming across. Look at your post. My email is logistics_engineering@...
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Re: I need help from you guys
Joseph Snow <1flashq@...>
Jim,
Thanks for your reply. My address is: 1flashq@... Joseph Snow
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Re: Air Flow at canard - fuselage intersection LS1
Golly Jim! Is Mark another 4 mph faster? Are there any pictures of Mark's
VG set-up in the files yet? Great work, Mark! Cheers, Phil
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Barry
Ron Triano <rondefly@...>
As I was viewing the formula 1s in their hangar at Stead. I ran across Barry
from Livermore doing the same. Ron Ron Triano Sonerai is there and Q200 not far behind <http://bld01.ipowerweb.com/contentmanagement/websites/rtrianoc/page11.html> http://bld01.ipowerweb.com/contentmanagement/websites/rtrianoc/page11.html
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Nead help from all you "old salts" and experts on the q2/q200
fifty101fifty <fifty101fifty@...>
I have a few in depth questions on the design of our beloved
aircraft. I am asking them in pure engineering terms so please make no reference to the constructions plans jargon i.e "level line". OK here goes… pertaining to the q2/q200 Does any one know …? What the angle of incidence is of both the wing and canard? What the wash out is of both the wing and canard? Where the CG is in reference to the wings ¼ cord at the root ? (I understand it will be forward of the leading edge.) What the distance between the leading and trailing edges of the canard and wing? (at the root both x "extended cord line" and y axis ) What the anhedral angle (unloaded) is for the canard and the dihedral of the wing? What the washout is of both the canard and wing tips? And last but not least… does any one know and/or have copies of the original fuse, wing and virt stab (or airfoil) templates? I can find everything on the canard, but info on the wing and vertical stab is scarce. For a little FYI….im creating the aircraft in cad and will be running it through my wind tunnel programs. Ill be publishing all the info on here so if we all pull together on this I think we will benefit when deciding on power plants and better understanding climb/glide profiles, L/D max and aerodynamic efficiency mods. Hope to hear from you all soon.
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Air flow at canard and fuselage tests
Shortly I'll be downloading pictures of my canard and the tests I did
thisweekend. It's interesting! Jim Patillo
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Re: I need help from you guys
Joseph,
I just got back into town and saw several posts from you. Give your full e-mail address in the reply and we can talk. We'll be here in December and you are welcome to stop by. Jim Patillo --- In Q-LIST@..., "Joseph Snow" <1flashq@...> wrote: Q-list by doing a search as suggested. No replies however. know if they are current but that's where I would start.Behalf Of Joseph SnowQ-builders? I'm not having much luch. I am going to California and would liketo see their projects and get their advice on mine.
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Oil Tank
Ron Triano <rondefly@...>
Get new idea's from the formula 1 racers every year. Been wondering what to
do to make space for my 4 in one exhaust as the oil tank was in the way. I will put up on the Q list photos section under rondefly 3 new photos. Ron Ron Triano Sonerai is there and Q200 not far behind <http://bld01.ipowerweb.com/contentmanagement/websites/rtrianoc/page11.html> http://bld01.ipowerweb.com/contentmanagement/websites/rtrianoc/page11.html
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Re: I need help from you guys
Joseph Snow <1flashq@...>
Thanks Jon, I lifted address from the most recent e-mails to the Q-list by doing a search as suggested. No replies however.
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From: Jon Finley To: Q-LIST@... Sent: Sunday, September 17, 2006 11:03 AM Subject: RE: [Q-LIST] I need help from you guys The QBA website lists phone numbers for Jim, Bob, & Alan. I don't know if they are current but that's where I would start. http://quickiebuilders.org/Qbuild/qBuildList.asp Jon -----Original Message----- From: Q-LIST@... [mailto:Q-LIST@...]On Behalf Of Joseph Snow Sent: Sunday, September 17, 2006 6:40 AM To: Q-LIST@... Subject: [Q-LIST] I need help from you guys Does anyone out there know how to contact any of the California Q-builders? I'm not having much luch. I am going to California and would like to see their projects and get their advice on mine. Joseph Snow 1flashq@...
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