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Re: TW Fly-in & Spud occasional gibberish...

Spud Spornitz <spudspornitz@...>
 

Hi James,

I sure butchered that one! Just to big a hurry, lots to do. Hopefully,
everyone knew I meant, "No one will go hungry".

Very Best Regards,

Spudley

-----Original Message-----
From: Q-LIST@... [mailto:Q-LIST@...] On Behalf
Of JMasal@...
Sent: Monday, September 18, 2006 4:41 PM
To: Q-LIST@...
Subject: Re: [Q-LIST] TW Fly-in Sept 22-24 Emporia, KS Update 09-17-06
incl directions...




In a message dated 9/17/2006 9:19:11 A.M. Central Daylight Time,
spudspornitz@ <mailto:spudspornitz%40comcast.net> comcast.net writes:

You last minute Louie's, you are
more than welcome to attend, right up to the last moment, if you are
coming, just let me know as I have to give the caterer a number
Thursday morning. No will got hungry!

No will got hungry!!!!

Yu shore yew aint oneuhdem undocumented Spanishers?? Hee heee heeee


Re: [Dragonflylist] Who is N218E?

Spud Spornitz <spudspornitz@...>
 

Hi Dave,

Thanks for the heads ups. It looks like it started as a Q-2 and then
changeover to an O-200 motor.

The Q-2/200 belongs to:


Name MAGNINO MARK S
Street 5637 N COLONY
City THE COLONY State TEXAS Zip Code
75056
County DENTON
Country UNITED STATES

Originally built by:
Serial Number 2735
Manufacturer Name EIBEN THEODORE

Certificate Issue Date 06/28/2005
Model Q-2

Somebody should give him a call and fill him in on the event. Anybdoy
got a e-mail address or a phone, too late for mail. Mr. Masal you have
any inside scoop on this gentleman?

Also Dave you coming to the event. Haven't seen any registration?? Or
are you still in "Mooney Boot Camp"??

Later, Spud

-----Original Message-----
From: Dragonflylist@...
[mailto:Dragonflylist@...] On Behalf Of Dave Morris "BigD"
Sent: Monday, September 18, 2006 8:06 PM
To: Dragonflylist@...
Subject: [Dragonflylist] Who is N218E?



Hi guys,

While shooting landings in my new Mooney at my airport today I spied
a beautiful Q-200 parked outside a hangar. Later I drove over to
look at it, but the owner had left the hangar open and was nowhere to
be found. The N number is 218E. It's a gorgeous bird, and I don' t
know any more details about it. Had no idea there was a Q-bird based
at my field.

Spud, maybe you can encourage the Q-guys to try to get whoever it is
to fly it into Emporia this weekend.

Ciao!

Dave Morris
Enjoying my 1960 Mooney M20A
183mph top speed; 80mph over the fence
Yeeeehaaaaa!
"Life is short - Fly fast"


Re: How wasteful can you get?

Gordon Givens
 

This happened to the Canadian aircraft industry back in the 1950's with the Avro Arrow project which sadly put an end to one of the leading edge design teams of that era, many of whom moved to the U.S. to work in your developing space industry. Unfortunately Canada has never recovered from that big faux pas by the government of the day.

----- Original Message -----
From: Allan Farr
To: Q-LIST@...
Sent: Monday, September 18, 2006 5:38 PM
Subject: [Q-LIST] How wasteful can you get?


Has anyone seen this? http://www.avweb.com/eletter/archives/avflash/719-full.html#193218
I find it sickening.
Allan F.
Q2


Re: How wasteful can you get?

Kevin Whitton <haywired_texan@...>
 

I just saw all of these birds, at the Hondo fly-in. I
should have tried to acquire one then. Many were good
looking planes, but most had hail damage to the tail
feathers.
I agree, what a waste.
Kevin

--- oneskydog@... wrote:


In a message dated 9/18/2006 5:31:27 PM Mountain
Daylight Time,
fifty101fifty@... writes:




that's what happens when you have to much money and
morons running your
"business" with a uniform ....

Allan Farr <_afarr@...
(mailto:afarr@...) > wrote: Has anyone
seen this?
_http://www.avweb.http://www.ahttp://wwhttp://www.ahttp://wwwhttp:/_
(http://www.avweb.com/eletter/archives/avflash/719-full.html#193218)

I find it sickening.
Allan F.
Q2






Same thing that happened to a lot of military birds.
Like the Northrop
flying wings and hundreds of P 51's

It is not unique to the military Beach is buying
back and cutting up all the
Starships they can.

Regards,

Charlie


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Re: How wasteful can you get?

Webcave
 

Normal government activity, nobody knows how or cares to make money. Also the stupid mention of the liability issue is BS, ever try sueing the government.

My thought, if sued I shoot the lawyer first then the sueing party. Hopefully with one bullet for economic reasons.
If I am going to be financially screwed then I'll let the tax payers pay>$50,000 a year for my upkeep (in jail), while I have FREE cable tv, FREE health care, FREE legal assistance, etc. and the the suers are enjoying a dirt nap.

Jack

-----Original Message-----
From: afarr@...
To: Q-LIST@...
Sent: Mon, 18 Sep 2006 4:38 PM
Subject: [Q-LIST] How wasteful can you get?


Has anyone seen this? http://www.avweb.com/eletter/archives/avflash/719-full.html#193218
I find it sickening.
Allan F.
Q2





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Re: How wasteful can you get?

Larry Severson
 

At 04:25 PM 9/18/2006, you wrote:

that's what happens when you have to much money and morons running your "business" with a uniform ....
I seriously doubt that the morons making the decisions were uniformed personnel.


Larry Severson
Fountain Valley, CA 92708
(714) 968-9852
larry2@...


Re: How wasteful can you get?

Jason Muscat <fifty101fifty@...>
 

that's what happens when you have to much money and morons running your "business" with a uniform ....

Allan Farr <afarr@...> wrote: Has anyone seen this? http://www.avweb.com/eletter/archives/avflash/719-full.html#193218
I find it sickening.
Allan F.
Q2








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Re: Air Flow at canard - fuselage intersection LS1

britmcman99
 

Jim:

I took careful note of Mark's VG arrangement, but saw no VGs in close
proximity to the upper aft inboard canard region. The implication was that there
were some special placements of VGs in that area to keep the air attached.

I too have a very streamlined oil tank. It even has a place to store the
carburetor.;)

Phil


How wasteful can you get?

Allan Farr <afarr@...>
 

Has anyone seen this? http://www.avweb.com/eletter/archives/avflash/719-full.html#193218
I find it sickening.
Allan F.
Q2


Re: Flight reports

Jim Patillo
 

Kevin,

Howdy dude! Flying around the San Joaquin Valley I've had my plane
loaded with bugs (heavy all over canard and wings) and noticed no
change. Don't think that caused your problem but who knows.

Jim P.

Thanks for the Sho Bloom. Its starting to work wonders on my horses!

--- In Q-LIST@..., Boddicker <trumanst@...> wrote:

7 Sept 06
Again worked on descents. TO from 35 was fine. I think the tires
have a
higher profile than the old ones. I need more ground speed to TO
than before
I changed the tires. At first I thought it was my complacency, but
now have
enough TO¹s to think that the ground angle of attack has changed
for the
worse. Nothing dangerous, just different. The engine has started
to loosen
up some also. I now get 2550RPM on TO roll and 2450 to 2500 in
climb. 360°
descents, 100 MPH at idle, the first 180 ° was down 1000¹ the next
180° was
down 700¹. For a total for 1700¹ descent in the full turn. Thought
it was
odd to have different rates in the same test. Next test was 2000¹
descent at
idle, with 110MPH. Glide was 3.5 miles.
Return to the airport for landing, uneventful.

14 Sept 06
Continued the descent tests. TO from 17 with a 10 MPH headwind
felt better
than the calm wind TO¹s I have been doing. Climb to 5000¹, without
leveling
off part way up to cool the engine, was fine. The temps were
normal for this
plane. First descent yielded a glide of 2.5 miles, engine at idle,
down
2000¹, @ 115 mph. Next try was engine idle, down 1000¹ @ 120 mph,
1mile.
Flew around some at 5000¹. Had a strange experience. To maintain
altitude, I
had to have the nose high. More so than I have ever noticed. The
plane did
not want to trim very well either. Back to the pattern for
landing. Decided
to try to slow my approach to 90 mph for final. Short final found
me very
low, and almost in the corn. Had I continued I don¹t think I would
have made
the runway. Went around. Next approach was at 100 mph. More like
normal. At
least normal to me. Did a T&G. Next landing was at 100 mph on
final as well.
Decent landing. When I got back to the hanger I had a huge amount
of bugs on
the plane. More so than I have ever seen. I talked with Terry C.
about the
possibility that the bugs could have spoiled some of the lift on
the wings.
He said that his LS1 has not had a bug problem, but any
contamination on the
wings will decrease performance. I cleaned them off, and will know
the next
flight if they were the cause. If I don¹t gather them on TO.

Kevin Boddicker
Luana, Iowa
Tri Q200 N7868B 31.4 hours
Flying!!!!


Re: How wasteful can you get?

One Sky Dog
 

In a message dated 9/18/2006 5:31:27 PM Mountain Daylight Time,
fifty101fifty@... writes:




that's what happens when you have to much money and morons running your
"business" with a uniform ....

Allan Farr <_afarr@... (mailto:afarr@...) > wrote: Has anyone
seen this?
_http://www.avweb.http://www.ahttp://wwhttp://www.ahttp://wwwhttp:/_ (http://www.avweb.com/eletter/archives/avflash/719-full.html#193218)
I find it sickening.
Allan F.
Q2






Same thing that happened to a lot of military birds. Like the Northrop
flying wings and hundreds of P 51's

It is not unique to the military Beach is buying back and cutting up all the
Starships they can.

Regards,

Charlie


Re: Flight reports

jerry kennedy <jerrykennedy2001@...>
 

--- Boddicker <trumanst@...> wrote:

7 Sept 06
Again worked on descents. TO from 35 was fine. I
think the tires have a
higher profile than the old ones. I need more ground
speed to TO than before
I changed the tires. At first I thought it was my
complacency, but now have
enough TOs to think that the ground angle of attack
has changed for the
worse. Nothing dangerous, just different. The engine
has started to loosen
up some also. I now get 2550RPM on TO roll and 2450
to 2500 in climb. 360
descents, 100 MPH at idle, the first 180 was down
1000 the next 180 was
down 700. For a total for 1700 descent in the full
turn. Thought it was
odd to have different rates in the same test. Next
test was 2000 descent at
idle, with 110MPH. Glide was 3.5 miles.
Return to the airport for landing, uneventful.

14 Sept 06
Continued the descent tests. TO from 17 with a 10
MPH headwind felt better
than the calm wind TOs I have been doing. Climb to
5000, without leveling
off part way up to cool the engine, was fine. The
temps were normal for this
plane. First descent yielded a glide of 2.5 miles,
engine at idle, down
2000, @ 115 mph. Next try was engine idle, down
1000 @ 120 mph, 1mile.
Flew around some at 5000. Had a strange experience.
To maintain altitude, I
had to have the nose high. More so than I have ever
noticed. The plane did
not want to trim very well either. Back to the
pattern for landing. Decided
to try to slow my approach to 90 mph for final.
Short final found me very
low, and almost in the corn. Had I continued I dont
think I would have made
the runway. Went around. Next approach was at 100
mph. More like normal. At
least normal to me. Did a T&G. Next landing was at
100 mph on final as well.
Decent landing. When I got back to the hanger I had
a huge amount of bugs on
the plane. More so than I have ever seen. I talked
with Terry C. about the
possibility that the bugs could have spoiled some of
the lift on the wings.
He said that his LS1 has not had a bug problem, but
any contamination on the
wings will decrease performance. I cleaned them off,
and will know the next
flight if they were the cause. If I dont gather
them on TO.

Kevin Boddicker
Luana, Iowa
Tri Q200 N7868B 31.4 hours
Flying!!!!

WAY TO GO KEVIN
Are you going to make it to the fly-in with your
plane.
Jerry

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Re: Air Flow at canard - fuselage intersection LS1

Larry Severson
 

That sounds good Larry but did you look at the actual facts with the
pix of my canard flow test this weekend.
No, I need to do it.

That may shoot your theory
all to hell. The main wing is next. What are you doing to promote
the species?
Everything I can.

Are you in the air still?
Well. I haven't flown since 6/6 because of an apparent engine overtemp situation. After spending time building a bigger plenum, I found that the problem was in my engine monitoring system. I was going to fly Thursday, but low ceilings and drizzle killed that. Tomorrow, I hope. I need to fly a lot. SOON!


Larry Severson
Fountain Valley, CA 92708
(714) 968-9852
larry2@...


Flight reports

Boddicker <trumanst@...>
 

7 Sept 06
Again worked on descents. TO from 35 was fine. I think the tires have a
higher profile than the old ones. I need more ground speed to TO than before
I changed the tires. At first I thought it was my complacency, but now have
enough TO¹s to think that the ground angle of attack has changed for the
worse. Nothing dangerous, just different. The engine has started to loosen
up some also. I now get 2550RPM on TO roll and 2450 to 2500 in climb. 360°
descents, 100 MPH at idle, the first 180 ° was down 1000¹ the next 180° was
down 700¹. For a total for 1700¹ descent in the full turn. Thought it was
odd to have different rates in the same test. Next test was 2000¹ descent at
idle, with 110MPH. Glide was 3.5 miles.
Return to the airport for landing, uneventful.

14 Sept 06
Continued the descent tests. TO from 17 with a 10 MPH headwind felt better
than the calm wind TO¹s I have been doing. Climb to 5000¹, without leveling
off part way up to cool the engine, was fine. The temps were normal for this
plane. First descent yielded a glide of 2.5 miles, engine at idle, down
2000¹, @ 115 mph. Next try was engine idle, down 1000¹ @ 120 mph, 1mile.
Flew around some at 5000¹. Had a strange experience. To maintain altitude, I
had to have the nose high. More so than I have ever noticed. The plane did
not want to trim very well either. Back to the pattern for landing. Decided
to try to slow my approach to 90 mph for final. Short final found me very
low, and almost in the corn. Had I continued I don¹t think I would have made
the runway. Went around. Next approach was at 100 mph. More like normal. At
least normal to me. Did a T&G. Next landing was at 100 mph on final as well.
Decent landing. When I got back to the hanger I had a huge amount of bugs on
the plane. More so than I have ever seen. I talked with Terry C. about the
possibility that the bugs could have spoiled some of the lift on the wings.
He said that his LS1 has not had a bug problem, but any contamination on the
wings will decrease performance. I cleaned them off, and will know the next
flight if they were the cause. If I don¹t gather them on TO.

Kevin Boddicker
Luana, Iowa
Tri Q200 N7868B 31.4 hours
Flying!!!!


Re: TW Fly-in Sept 22-24 Emporia, KS Update 09-17-06 incl directions...

JMasal@...
 

In a message dated 9/17/2006 9:19:11 A.M. Central Daylight Time,
spudspornitz@... writes:

You last minute Louie's, you are
more than welcome to attend, right up to the last moment, if you are
coming, just let me know as I have to give the caterer a number
Thursday morning. No will got hungry!



No will got hungry!!!!

Yu shore yew aint oneuhdem undocumented Spanishers?? Hee heee heeee


Re: Air Flow at canard - fuselage intersection LS1

Jim Patillo
 

That sounds good Larry but did you look at the actual facts with the
pix of my canard flow test this weekend. That may shoot your theory
all to hell. The main wing is next. What are you doing to promote
the species? Are you in the air still?

Jim Patillo N46JP Q200


--- In Q-LIST@..., larry severson <larry2@...> wrote:


Golly Jim! Is Mark another 4 mph faster? Are there any pictures
of Mark's
VG set-up in the files yet? Great work, Mark!
Any join of surfaces greater than 45 degrees should be contoured
(beer can fillet) for minimum drag. I have not seen (noticed) any
that have such a fillet below the main wing on Qs.


Larry Severson
Fountain Valley, CA 92708
(714) 968-9852
larry2@...


Re: TW Fly-in Sept 22-24 Emp

JMasal@...
 

I'm trying to avoid getting a car. I'm pretty sure I can get a ride from KCI
with Sam Kittle to Emp. I wonder if I could get back up to the KC area with
you after the event?... even if its not until Monday. (No, can be a correct
answer by-the-way).

j.


Re: Air Flow at canard - fuselage intersection LS1

Jim Patillo
 

Phil,

Mark is kind of quit. He's off working at Homeland Security in DC as
of last week. You may never see those pictures in the files. Should of
taken pictures when you were here. I said he claims 4 mph, I didn't
say he was getting it! We'll verify next time we fly together.
Although when he says something you can usually count on it.

With his fuel injected pumped up 0200 and this new mod he does have a
fast plane. Mark's made many inovations in drag reduction on his
plane, like cutting the kidney tank in half and keeping the engine
cowling flush with the bottom of fuselage, his own design for VG's on
the GU canard and this latest one. All these things make for a slick
plane.

Regards,
JIm Patillo N46JP Q200


--- In Q-LIST@..., britmcman@... wrote:

Golly Jim! Is Mark another 4 mph faster? Are there any pictures of
Mark's
VG set-up in the files yet? Great work, Mark!

Cheers,

Phil


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Pictures

Jim Patillo
 

Pat,

Is there any way to relocate my pictures in the files floder to my
album in Photo's. Can you do that as the monitor?

Thanks,
Jim P.


Re: Air Flow at canard - fuselage intersection LS1

Larry Severson
 

Golly Jim! Is Mark another 4 mph faster? Are there any pictures of Mark's
VG set-up in the files yet? Great work, Mark!
Any join of surfaces greater than 45 degrees should be contoured (beer can fillet) for minimum drag. I have not seen (noticed) any that have such a fillet below the main wing on Qs.


Larry Severson
Fountain Valley, CA 92708
(714) 968-9852
larry2@...