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91RT Update

Ron Triano <rondefly@...>
 

Well, today was the day for N91RT to become a full fledged bird, Taxied to
runway 34, applied full power and with my knees knocking made it up to 80
indicated, gently pulled back on the stick and it actually lifted off, Was a
good feeling to see it fly straight for real instead of just short ground
effect dances. I left it at 80 to 85 and was climbing at about 3 to 400' PM,
Temps were all intact. Turned X-wind and all was still ok, I made about a 10
degree turn. Did that again for downwind and kept climbing while turning my
downwind into a large circle over the airport, got up to 7000' and started
to level off, as I did that the engine started to loose RPMs, I fiddled with
the mixture and could not maintain 2450RPM. Brought the mixture to Idle
cutoff for a second to see it really would cut the engine, so pushed it back
in while positioning to the downwind leg. The engine never did quit but just
would not maintain high RPM. Set up final at 75 and it felt good and I had
good response to control inputs. Never did get under 70 till I quit looking
at flair out. I did not make a greaser landing but it was a 3 point with a
bounce. Short rollout and back to the hanger. Thank God. The landing was not
a problem at all but I still need to relax on takeoff. Maybe I was just too
nervous for the first time. Next Saturday I will disconnect the fuel line
from the carb and check the flow, clean the filter and anything else that
needs cleaning, maybe my shorts. The temp was about 45 deg. So the density
alt must have been around 5600', the airport is 4700. The main thing I am
very pleased about is it flies straight, The stick is super sensitive and I
have to get used to that to not over control. Maybe next weekend it will be
smoother. Feels good working on the Q200 again.



Ron Triano



Sonerai IIs N91RT flying

Q200, Back working on it, soon to be flying


Re: Anyone help with Crazing and sunbumps

David J. Gall
 

Plans, chapter 3, pages 11-13.

-----Original Message-----
From: Q-LIST@... [mailto:Q-LIST@...]
On Behalf Of Richard Thomson
Sent: Sunday, October 08, 2006 11:51 AM
To: Q-LIST
Subject: [Q-LIST] Anyone help with Crazing and sunbumps

Can anyone advise how to deal with local crazing and
sunbumps? I have several areas on the Tri-Q I am restoring
where there are small patches (1-2" dia ) that need local
repair, the main area around them and the underneath glass is
in good condition, and I do not want to strip the whole thing
to repair them. I can find loads on finishing the new
airframe, but cannot see much so far on repairs of this type.
Can someone point me in the right direction please.

Thanks,
Richard.

Richard Thomson
Weston s Mare , UK
Tri-Q G-BMFN ( 21 yrs since 1st reg. this month )
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Anyone help with Crazing and sunbumps

Richard Thomson
 

Can anyone advise how to deal with local crazing and sunbumps? I have
several areas on the Tri-Q I am restoring where there are small patches
(1-2" dia ) that need local repair, the main area around them and the
underneath glass is in good condition, and I do not want to strip the whole
thing to repair them. I can find loads on finishing the new airframe, but
cannot see much so far on repairs of this type. Can someone point me in the
right direction please.

Thanks,
Richard.

Richard Thomson
Weston s Mare , UK
Tri-Q G-BMFN ( 21 yrs since 1st reg. this month )
Viggen@...


Re: Q on Ebay 260036787397

blackhorse_one <blackhorse_one@...>
 

Does anyone know any thing about this Q that they could add????



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wrote:

http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/Quickie-2-1982-Experimental-
Aircraft_W0QQitemZ260036787397QQihZ016QQcategoryZ63679QQrdZ1QQcmdZViewI
tem


Not too late for someone to pick up a Q for maybe less than 10,000.
May be in flying condition.


Re: Canard root faring-update

Jay <scheevel@...>
 

Tad Simpson wrote:



"There was a concern that I had sealed around the canard and lost the 1/8th
in gap between the fuselage and canard as it would change the
charachteristics of the canard and the abilities to absorb shock in landing"





Tad,



That is a critical difference between the DF and the Q's. I think that the
DF wing is bolted on, so to maintain the structural integrity of that
mounting approach you cannot bond it to the fuselage. The Q's on the other
hand are designed to be bonded to the fuselage so fairings do not adversely
affect the structural characteristics, in fact the broader fairing may
actually improve the characteristics. This said, most of the canard failures
I have seen in Q occur at the fuselage-wing junction on one side or the
other.



Jay Scheevel - Tri-Q builder (not a problem for me either)


Re: New location

Keith Welsh <kfly@...>
 

Hi Tad and all:

Been reading with much interest the ideas forthcoming for the 07 FOD event.

Regarding Mattoon, IL it too, probably, meets all the criteria mentioned, uncontrolled, crossing rwys (150 x 6500 and 100 x 5800), restaurant on the field, hotels 1 mile away, hospital across road, too many restaurants, major interstate -1 mile away, no B or C airspace anywhere near, flat IL prairie terrain, lots of ramp. about 100 mi from St Louis or a -2 hr drive.

If a weekend prior to OSH, as Crain mentioned, is of much interest MTO is about 3 hrs South, more or less. That could generate interest from that standpoint. I've seen lots of Q guys at OSH who don't make the flyins. That plan could lasso some of them to a FOD flyin.

I agree that for a weekend only thing it might be a little to far East for many Westerners however, an OSH connection could alter that.

As for Tad's question is there an annual event in MTO. Yes, several. A wings weekend in July, Natl. Luscomb flyin in Aug., CAP weekend youth event etc... For Q's...no. Issues developed with the new airport manager. Perhaps that could change with a FOD event. Am I doing Casey again? Maybe, the runway is due to be resurfaced in 07. Will not want to do one there again before that. For now I am on a wait and see basis. And perhaps Hoskins may want to have us back down to SIU. Hi Sam!

Anyway..some more mud for the pie.
Keith

----- Original Message -----
From: Tad Simpson
To: Q-LIST@...
Sent: Thursday, October 05, 2006 12:31 AM
Subject: [Q-LIST] Re: New location


Mattoon? Is there an annual event in Mattoon ? That is like only 100 miles away.... Is there a calendar of the annual events ? Anyway to move FOD away from my wedding anniversary ? Sure would love to hit a few of these next year. Is Keith doing Casey again next year ?

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Q on Ebay 260036787397

blackhorse_one <blackhorse_one@...>
 

http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/Quickie-2-1982-Experimental-
Aircraft_W0QQitemZ260036787397QQihZ016QQcategoryZ63679QQrdZ1QQcmdZViewI
tem


Not too late for someone to pick up a Q for maybe less than 10,000.
May be in flying condition.


Re: Canard root faring-update

Joseph Snow <1flashq@...>
 

Tad,
Mine is a conventional gear Q. You bring up a good point. I am not an aeronautical engineer. I do not know how to determine the effect of the faring on the bending of the canard during landing. Does anyone on the Q-list have an opinion about this. See photos: http://ph.groups.yahoo.com/group/Q-Performance/photos/browse/970a

Thanks,

Joseph

----- Original Message -----
From: Tad Simpson
To: Q-LIST@...
Sent: Saturday, October 07, 2006 10:34 AM
Subject: [Q-LIST] Re: Canard root faring-update


Joseph,
Are you building a trike or tail Q ? When I put my DF together and had it inspected, There was a concern that I had sealed around the canard and lost the 1/8th in gap between the fuselage and canard as it would change the charachteristics of the canard and the abilities to absorb shock in landing. Thought it may make it more ridgid and probable to break. Mine is a tri gear so passed but noted that had it been a tail wheel not sure it would have. I was not a builder just completed a once flying project so others may have better input.

Just something to consider - Looks good though
Tad


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Re: brakes

Jon Finley <jon@...>
 

Larry,

You'll need QBA QuickTalk/Q-Talk issue #11 for LaRue details and issue #27
for the further evolution of the concept by Don Coughlin.

Jon Finley
N90MG - Q2 - Subaru EJ-22 Legacy
http://www.finleyweb.net/Q2Subaru
Mid-Valley Airpark, Los Lunas, NM

-----Original Message-----
From: Q-LIST@... [mailto:Q-LIST@...]On Behalf Of
larry severson
Sent: Friday, October 06, 2006 11:48 AM
To: Q-LIST@...
Subject: [Q-LIST] brakes


Are the parts list/source and instructions for installing the
floating Airheart brakes available anywhere? I have the pictures, but
haven't figured exactly how they go together effectively.

Larry Severson
Fountain Valley, CA 92708
(714) 968-9852
larry2@...


Re: Canard root faring-update

Patrick Panzera <panzera@...>
 

Tad,

One of the many differences between the Q and DF is that with the Q, the
wing and canard are permanently bonded to the fuselage... no gap. The
root faring as shown shouldn't cause much (if any) structural concern.

Pat

-----Original Message-----
From: Q-LIST@... [mailto:Q-LIST@...] On Behalf
Of
Tad Simpson
Sent: Saturday, October 07, 2006 7:34 AM
To: Q-LIST@...
Subject: [Q-LIST] Re: Canard root faring-update

Joseph,
Are you building a trike or tail Q ? When I put my DF together and
had
it inspected, There was a concern that I had sealed around the canard
and
lost the 1/8th in gap between the fuselage and canard as it would
change
the charachteristics of the canard and the abilities to absorb shock
in
landing.


Re: Canard root faring-update

REBECCA SIMPSON
 

Joseph,
Are you building a trike or tail Q ? When I put my DF together and had it inspected, There was a concern that I had sealed around the canard and lost the 1/8th in gap between the fuselage and canard as it would change the charachteristics of the canard and the abilities to absorb shock in landing. Thought it may make it more ridgid and probable to break. Mine is a tri gear so passed but noted that had it been a tail wheel not sure it would have. I was not a builder just completed a once flying project so others may have better input.

Just something to consider - Looks good though
Tad


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Re: Completion - of a different kind

Rene Robertson <q2robertson@...>
 

Hi Jim,
I have the 917D version, a kit that was put out by "Elite Enterprise". Tim at "Classic Sport Automobiles" bought the molds about 2 years ago and started the new company. The laser 917 from Elite came in 4 versions with the 917D being the latest version and the same as the "Classic Sport Automobiles" car. The major difference between the two companies is the chassis. My chassis is basically a Carmen Ghia chassis with a few performance mods. The "Classic Sport Automobile" chassis is tube welded and can handle a V10.
I haven't opened the car up yet since I'm just getting used to driving it, but it sure lives up to its specs for appearance and curb appeal.
BTW We will definitely be coming to LVK 2007 if you and Bob are still planning one. We really enjoyed the event 2 years ago and hope it will continue.
Cheers
Rene

----- Original Message ----
From: Jim Patillo <logistics_engineering@...>
To: Q-LIST@...
Sent: Friday, October 6, 2006 3:03:46 PM
Subject: [Q-LIST] Re: Completion - of a different kind

Rene,

Your autotoy is too cool! I can understand your excitement about
getting it done. Which version do you have? Does it live up to its
specs?

Congratulations on the rebuild of your 917,
Jim Patillo

--- In Q-LIST@yahoogroups. com, Rene Robertson <q2robertson@ ...>
wrote:

Hi Guys,
I know this isn't Q related, but I just completed a 4 year rebuild
of my Laser 917 - a replica of the famous Porsche 917K 24 hour
Lemans winner in 1969, 1970 and 1971. It passed the government
safety inspection last Monday and is fully licenced for the road. I
have been getting a lot of attention with it everywhere I drive it -
almost like flying the the Q2 :) The Q2 and the car have lot in
common, both have fiberglass bodies, are low, fast, VW derivative
powered, and look super cool. You can see me and the car at:

www.laser917. com

Cheers
Rene
Q2 C-FBWV





Re: Flight report

Boddicker <trumanst@...>
 

Nope.
What the hell are footnotes? :>)))
I did not pay much attention during ninth grade english.
Kevin



on 10/6/06 10:16 PM, French at LJFrench@... wrote:

I thought those were all footnotes to your data :)
LF


Re: Discussing new locations TW annual fly-in (Roger that, JIM)

Ron Triano <rondefly@...>
 

Mike, correction, they were not all on engine related items. There was one
on the Strong pitch Trim which I have one and really like it.



Ron Triano



Sonerai IIs done and flying

Q200, Back working on it, soon to be flying

-----Original Message-----
From: Q-LIST@... [mailto:Q-LIST@...] On Behalf Of
Mike Perry
Sent: Friday, October 06, 2006 9:13 PM
To: Q-LIST@...
Subject: RE: [Q-LIST] Discussing new locations TW annual fly-in (Roger that,
JIM)



Perhaps "Tandem Wing event" is a phrase lacking a clear definition. Still,
this year at Jean ALL the presentations were on Engine related stuff. Most
were on engines in the 60-120 HP range -- suitable for our TWs -- but
really suitable also for many other aircraft, such as Zenith 601 and 701,
Kitfox 6, many of the RANS aircraft etc.

I'm not saying it is wrong for the Laughlin/Jean Mountain States fly-in to
evolve this way, but I would like a TW event to spend more time looking at
TWs and talking about their problems and triumphs.

I do NOT want the TW events in the southwest to conflict with the
Mountain States fly-in, I enjoy both, but I expect the Mountain States
fly-in to concentrate on engines and the LVK fly-in to concentrate on
TWs. Change would be welcome as long as we have at least one meet per year
in which we concentrate on Tandem Wings.

Mike Perry

At 10:52 AM 10/6/2006 -0700, you wrote:

A few thoughts on moving or combining events:

1) The "Mountain States Fly-in" is now an Engine-heads forum. Nothing
wrong with that, but it's not a Tandem Wing event any longer. However,
the
spring timing is great -- no conflicts with other events, and a chance
to
get out with our airplane friends after the winter is over.
It's what you are willing to make it.

When the event moved from Tucson to Laughlin the only person willing to
present a forum was me. All I have to bring to the table is engine stuff so
for 3-4 consecutive years in a row, it was me and my little Corvair engine
forum. One year I brought a video of the unveiling of SpaceShipOne and that
was a hit, but again, the dog-and-pony show was seemingly on my shoulders.

One year while at LVK I asked Don what he thought of me expanding the
forums
to include more engine stuff and incorporating my goal of creating an event
for all experimental aircraft, especially since the EAA seems to want to be
distanced from the first E in their name. He thought it was a great idea.

The next three years in a row I brought in a multitude of speakers,
including Klaus Savier, Joe Horvath, Scott Casler, and Paul Lipps. With
rare
exception, each speaker that joined our merry band of tandem wingers
brought
something useful to the group. Engine stuff yes, but engines for Q's and
DF's for the most part.

If there is something missing from the TANDEM WING event that's now found a
home in Jean NV, something that would make it feel like it's no longer a
tandem wing event, either let me know or step up and provide it. It's not
like I'd be offended by help.

Consider that for umpteen years the media has pretty much refused to cover
the FOD and/or other events we have, but this year's Jean event netted an
article on the Q which appeared in KITPLANES Magazine. Not too shabby for
an
event which "not a Tandem Wing event any longer".

Pat

----------


Re: Lay up sched?

David J. Gall
 

Peter,

Email: David@...


David J. Gall


Canard root faring-update

Joseph Snow <1flashq@...>
 


Re: Lay up sched?

Peter Harris <peterjfharris@...>
 

David

If I can have your email address I will send you the LS(1) construction
details in a Zip file. You can get me on peterjfharris@....



Peter



_____

From: Q-LIST@... [mailto:Q-LIST@...] On Behalf Of
David J. Gall
Sent: Friday, 6 October 2006 4:46 PM
To: Q-LIST@...
Subject: RE: [Q-LIST] Lay up sched?



Peter,

From your description this sounds similar to but different from what I have.
Could you send me a quick low-resolution black-and-white scan of these
documents so that I can compare with what I have? If different, I'd then ask
you for better scans....

Thank you,

David J. Gall

-----Original Message-----
From: Q-LIST@yahoogroups. <mailto:Q-LIST%40yahoogroups.com> com
[mailto:Q-LIST@yahoogroups. <mailto:Q-LIST%40yahoogroups.com> com]
On Behalf Of Peter Harris
Sent: Thursday, October 05, 2006 2:37 PM
To: Q-LIST@yahoogroups. <mailto:Q-LIST%40yahoogroups.com> com
Subject: RE: [Q-LIST] Lay up sched?

David,

I have an original copy of the LS1 plans headed "Construction
of LS(1) 0417 MOD CANARD, 2 pages of description and pics
commencing with "Jigging the canard" plus 10 pages of
drawings by Larry Lombard dated in 1983.. If this is what you
need I could send you a copy if you don't find one closer to
home. Or maybe scan them and send to you. (There are no
airfoils included just hand sketches) There is also a release
about mods to the firewall to beef it up for the 0-200 engine.

Cheers,

Peter


Re: Discussing new locations TW annual fly-in (Roger that, JIM)

Mike Perry <dmperry1012@...>
 

Perhaps "Tandem Wing event" is a phrase lacking a clear definition. Still,
this year at Jean ALL the presentations were on Engine related stuff. Most
were on engines in the 60-120 HP range -- suitable for our TWs -- but
really suitable also for many other aircraft, such as Zenith 601 and 701,
Kitfox 6, many of the RANS aircraft etc.

I'm not saying it is wrong for the Laughlin/Jean Mountain States fly-in to
evolve this way, but I would like a TW event to spend more time looking at
TWs and talking about their problems and triumphs.

I do NOT want the TW events in the southwest to conflict with the
Mountain States fly-in, I enjoy both, but I expect the Mountain States
fly-in to concentrate on engines and the LVK fly-in to concentrate on
TWs. Change would be welcome as long as we have at least one meet per year
in which we concentrate on Tandem Wings.

Mike Perry

At 10:52 AM 10/6/2006 -0700, you wrote:

A few thoughts on moving or combining events:

1) The "Mountain States Fly-in" is now an Engine-heads forum. Nothing
wrong with that, but it's not a Tandem Wing event any longer. However,
the
spring timing is great -- no conflicts with other events, and a chance to
get out with our airplane friends after the winter is over.
It's what you are willing to make it.

When the event moved from Tucson to Laughlin the only person willing to
present a forum was me. All I have to bring to the table is engine stuff so
for 3-4 consecutive years in a row, it was me and my little Corvair engine
forum. One year I brought a video of the unveiling of SpaceShipOne and that
was a hit, but again, the dog-and-pony show was seemingly on my shoulders.

One year while at LVK I asked Don what he thought of me expanding the forums
to include more engine stuff and incorporating my goal of creating an event
for all experimental aircraft, especially since the EAA seems to want to be
distanced from the first E in their name. He thought it was a great idea.

The next three years in a row I brought in a multitude of speakers,
including Klaus Savier, Joe Horvath, Scott Casler, and Paul Lipps. With rare
exception, each speaker that joined our merry band of tandem wingers brought
something useful to the group. Engine stuff yes, but engines for Q's and
DF's for the most part.

If there is something missing from the TANDEM WING event that's now found a
home in Jean NV, something that would make it feel like it's no longer a
tandem wing event, either let me know or step up and provide it. It's not
like I'd be offended by help.

Consider that for umpteen years the media has pretty much refused to cover
the FOD and/or other events we have, but this year's Jean event netted an
article on the Q which appeared in KITPLANES Magazine. Not too shabby for an
event which "not a Tandem Wing event any longer".

Pat

----------


Re: Flight report

French <LJFrench@...>
 

I thought those were all footnotes to your data :)
LF

----- Original Message -----
From: "Boddicker" <trumanst@...>
To: "Q-LIST" <Q-LIST@...>
Sent: Friday, October 06, 2006 10:02 PM
Subject: [Q-LIST] Flight report


I have no idea why there are a 2 and a 3 in my sentence. I did not put it
there. Just ignore them.
Kevin


Flight report

Boddicker <trumanst@...>
 

I have no idea why there are a 2 and a 3 in my sentence. I did not put it
there. Just ignore them.
Kevin