In a message dated 10/11/2006 1:42:46 P.M. Pacific Standard Time,
jeffrey.letempt@... writes:

KLBL was on one of my list, but after talking with a pilot from my EAA
Chapter that frequents this airport he told me that it is


"REALLY windy there ALL the time" means it is in Kansas. And since it has
really great cris-cross runways, that will not be a problem. On the contrary,
it will mean a shorter landing distance.

Phil

I like Liberal, KS and I even happen to be a conservative! That would be an
easy day trip from my home in Southern Califiornia. Sign me up. I'll try
to be ready by then.

Phil
N87TQ

David,



o One of KLHX's 2 runways is only 60' wide in fair condition and the
field elevation is 4238'. $3.95 self service 100LL is nothing to write home
about.



o KALS only has one runway and the field elevation is 7539'!!! I have
never had my Dragonfly above 6,500' and even then I thought I was going to
get a nose bleed :<)



o Both of KEIK's 2 runways (one of which is 2250' long and in poor
condition) are narrow and the field elevation is 5130'. It is also under
the Denver Class B airspace.



None of these 3 airports meet the criteria that I proposed.



o KLBL was on one of my list, but after talking with a pilot from my EAA
Chapter that frequents this airport he told me that it is REALLY windy there
ALL the time.



Another consideration for me is remotely hosting the fly-in. I have kind of
been honchoing this discussion and will be more than willing to remotely
organize the fly-in under the right circumstances. One of those right
circumstances is that it should not be more than about 400 miles from my
home. I would not mind flying out once or twice to set things up, but if it
is farther than that I think it is a bit too much for me to do. Spud has
commented that if it is within 90 miles of his home in Olathe, KS that he
will organize (or assist as needed) the 2007 FOD fly-in.



I have a list of 23 potential airports that might work well for the fly-in
that are within about 400 miles of my home. I have not personally talked to
anyone at any of these airports; I just looked at the facilities on the
AirNav and AOPA web sites. I have been to several of these airports (KMDH,
KGBG, KMTO, and KMVN). I applied the selection criteria and all of these
airports meet the criteria (except one of KMVN's runways is only 3149' long
- but their facilities are PERFECT for a fly-in).




Jonesboro

AR

KJBR


Stuttgart

AR

KSGT


Ames

IA

KAMW


Burlington

IA

KBRL


Fort Dodge

IA

KFOD


Keokuk

IA

KEOK


Muscatine

IA

KMUT


Ottumwa

IA

KOTM


Carbondale

IL

KMDH


Galesburg

IL

KGBG


Jacksonville

IL

KIJX


Mattoon

IL

KMTO


Mount Vernon

IL

KMVN


Rantoul

IL

KTIP


Sterling-Rock Falls

IL

KSQI


Coffeyville

KS

KCFV


El Dorado

KS

KEQA


Great Bend

KS

KGBD


Grenada

MS

KGNF


Beatrice

NE

KBIE


Norfolk

NE

KOFK


Ada

OK

KADH


Dyersburg

TN

KDYR



No one else has stood up and said they would organize the event next year.
If someone wants to take on organizing the event that is GREAT, just let me
know and I will help out as much as I can. I am willing to do what I can
within reason. I am just offering to do what I can to make sure the event
continues to take place. The general consensus back in 2003 when I
organized the event at Sullivan, MO was if someone goes to the trouble of
organizing the event that people would show up (FOD....build it and they
will come).



Lebanon, KS is the geographic center of the lower 48 States. Edgar Springs,
MO (just 15 miles from my home) is the population center of the USA. I have
no idea where the geographic center of the tandem wingers is located. From
looking at http://www.frappr.com/tandemwings/map
<http://www.frappr.com/tandemwings/map> I would say there are more TW
planes in the Midwest and Southeast, but this is far from scientific. I
think it would be great if we had East, West, and Central TW fly-ins, that
way almost everyone would have an opportunity to experience a TW fly-in.



Thanks for the input!!



Jeff



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Sent: Wednesday, October 11, 2006 12:34 PM
To: Qlist
Subject: [Q-LIST] New central TW locations



La Junta, Colorado http://www.airnav. <http://www.airnav.com/airport/KLHX>
com/airport/KLHX cheap fuel in Colorado.

Alamosa, Colorado http://www.airnav.com/airport/KALS
<http://www.airnav.com/airport/KALS>

Erie, Colorado, USA http://www.airnav. <http://www.airnav.com/airport/KEIK>
com/airport/KEIK

Liberal, Kansas, USA http://www.airnav. <http://www.airnav.com/airport/KLBL>
com/airport/KLBL Also has my vote, and it has a drag strip
for who are doing taxi testing but not flying, hey we could have Q taxi drag
races.

How much is wind a consideration of a problem in where we have it? When I
was out there the "chain"
wind sock was a bit concerning...

If Nebraska is an option we should have Lynn give us the scoop.

David H

Also an interesting tidbit on Liberal, Kansas. They have quite the air museum.
http://www.cityofliberal.com/airmuseum/
The museum heavy has quite a few homebuilts, including 1 Dragonfly and a Quickie.
http://www.cityofliberal.com/airmuseum/aircraft/homebuilt/index.html
Regards, Spud Spornitz

La Junta, Colorado http://www.airnav.com/airport/KLHX cheap fuel in Colorado.

Alamosa, Colorado http://www.airnav.com/airport/KALS

Erie, Colorado, USA http://www.airnav.com/airport/KEIK

Liberal, Kansas, USA http://www.airnav.com/airport/KLBL Also has my vote, and it has a drag strip
for who are doing taxi testing but not flying, hey we could have Q taxi drag races.

How much is wind a consideration of a problem in where we have it? When I was out there the "chain"
wind sock was a bit concerning...

If Nebraska is an option we should have Lynn give us the scoop.

David H

Doug, and Spud,
While Rough River,Kentucky is a great little airport it doesn't meet
all of the criteria we set forth. Runway lengths, hanger, no parking
etc. etc. Also Kentucky has more accommodating airports then this
one. I think we need to keep looking and also it needs to be further
west, this place is much to far east. I think we should look at
Colorado somewhere, it is a more central location...

David Hiatt


--- In Q-LIST@..., Dave Dugas <davedq2@...> wrote:

Hi Spud,
I've been to the Rough River fly-in a couple of times...it's a

perfect spot.Dave Dugas

Spud Spornitz <spudspornitz@...> wrote:
Hi Bruce,

All good homework. Doug can check out the Nebraska stuff. Hey Jeff,
maybe you could check out the Mountain View, MO location.I think

its a

great idea to move the event around. Anybody got some other good

ideas.

I just thought of an idea, if everyone wants to have everything in

one

place how about Rough River, Kentucky!!!! The Long/Cozy guys have

had

their event their for the last 4 or 5 years and its this weekend.

They

usually have 75+ aircraft and seem to have no problems. It's a

state run

lodge with major restaurant and modest airport (3200 feet)
Everything is walking distance. We could have it their a week or

two

before theirs.

Check it out at: http://www.roughriver.org/

Rough River is a little short, but the Long & Cozy guys seem to do

OK

with it.

http://www.airnav.com/airport/2I3

Does anybody else have state park setups like Kentucky in the

middle

US??? Let us know.

Regards, Spud Spornitz

I could take some pics of the Norfolk layout when i get back down there over the weekend. It's a good layout with an abandoned terminal building that we could maybe use for mettings and such.
There are three large hangers to choose from for overnight storage if we can talk the administrator into it.

Al Renter
N390AR ( Reserved)

Norfolk is a very nice airport and it just happens that there is a DF based there:)

Yep thats right my work in progress is sitting in a hanger in OFK!

Al Renter
N390AR (Reserved)
402-640-2068

Yes I learned to fly from that field over 10 years ago when I was in highschool about 45 miles to the west of Norfolk. Very clean place with extra hanger space. Clean facilities and also non-towered for easy flying. Low traffic is also a plus. I could do some calling to see about hanger use there.

Barry

Barry,

Are you familar with Karl Stefan Memorial Airport (KOFK) at Norfolk, NE? It
looks like a very nice airport with lots of very inexpensive lodging close
by (<4 miles to >10 hotels).

Jeff

Located in Grand Island Nebraska...about 2 hours west of Doug in Omaha.

Barry

Thats OK Jim, I do have a fairly good understanding of bonded structures
from years of being in metal rotor blade manufacture. The old tap test was
the inspectors main weapon in the detect a delam stakes. Thankfully to date
the main structure seems sound except for several bumps mainly on the main
wing areas about mid span, quite a ways from the centre brace areas. There
is some underfiller peeling at the wing fairing area, but when picked off
the glass surface taps a treat. I hope I do not find too much like Mike had
with the paint peeling, but to date the bumps I've picked at seem fairly
localised.
It has been outside in all weathers for a few years, with just a cover, and
my first thoughts were it would be scrap, but as I have surveyed it further
it has been a pleasant surprise, and so far the main structure seems to be
quite sound, I think it had a full paint job about 7 years ago, which may be
why it is still reasonable.
I intend to remove the tailcone and pick at that first, and practice
localised repairs and refinishing. then attack the main wing afterwards.

Thanks to everyone for all the replies to this thread.

Richard Thomson
Weston s Mare , UK
Tri-Q G-BMFN ( 21 yrs since 1st reg. this month )
Viggen@...

Barry,



Where in NE are you located?



Jeff



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BARRY AMANDA STEARNS
Sent: Sunday, October 01, 2006 10:09 PM
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Subject: Re: [Q-LIST] Checking out new locations for next years TW annual
fly-in locations....



Heck Doug....I'd be willing to help out on one in Nebraska....sounds like a
fun time and would love to be in on it if possible.

Barry

Yea Bruce, it really is a rush, I'm just laying in bed re-capping the whole
thing, and what I did wrong. Wish I did not have to wait till next weekend.



Ron



Ron Triano

South Lake Tahoe, CA



Sonerai there and Q200 gettin there

David,

Did you receive and open the LS(1) zip file ?



Peter





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David J. Gall
Sent: Saturday, 7 October 2006 4:20 PM
To: Q-LIST@...
Subject: RE: [Q-LIST] Lay up sched?



Peter,

Email: David@QuickieSource <mailto:David%40QuickieSource.com> .com

David J. Gall

Excellent Ron!! It is a trip like none other isn't it!
Bruce Crain






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Ron Triano

South Lake Tahoe, CA



Sonerai there and Q200 gettin there

Richard,

I misread your post before I spoke, sorry. I guess these are just
blisters between the glass and paint primer you are refering to.

Why can't you carefully sand thru the affected area, use some light
weight filler and repaint?

Sorry for the misunderstanding,
Jim Patillo Q200

--- In Q-LIST@..., Mike Dwyer <mdwyer@...> wrote:

Sun bumps? See:

http://www.geocities.com/CapeCanaveral/Hall/1653/re1.html

If sun bumps are areas where the paint is raised then you will

likely

find the area to be much larger than the bump you see.

Mike Q200


Richard Thomson wrote:

Can anyone advise how to deal with local crazing and

sunbumps? I have

several areas on the Tri-Q I am restoring where there are small

patches

(1-2" dia ) that need local repair, the main area around them

and the

underneath glass is in good condition, and I do not want to

strip the whole

thing to repair them. I can find loads on finishing the new

airframe, but

cannot see much so far on repairs of this type. Can someone

point me in the

right direction please.

Thanks,
Richard.

Richard Thomson
Weston s Mare , UK
Tri-Q G-BMFN ( 21 yrs since 1st reg. this month )
Viggen@...



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Richard,

Are you refering to delaminations? Have you taken a coin and tapped
the area? Sun bumps don't ring a bell. Was this plane sitting in
outside in the sun for a long time? Where are these "bumps located
on the plane"? Is it the main or canard? Which canard do you have?

There's a straight forward and simple fix if the delamination is the
size of a silver dollar or smaller and I can explain how to do that
fix. Larger delams need to be addressed differently and I can
explain that too. Your problem is repairable but you need to be sure
of whats going on between teh skin and foam.

Many times when sun beats down on a canard or wing for a prolonged
time areas delaminate. The problem is the top part fo the foam gets
brittle, the skin breaks loose and creates a dust barrier between
the skin and foam......not good!

Regards,

Jim Patillo Q200






--- In Q-LIST@..., "Richard Thomson" <richard@...> wrote:

Can anyone advise how to deal with local crazing and

sunbumps? I have

several areas on the Tri-Q I am restoring where there are small

patches

(1-2" dia ) that need local repair, the main area around them and

the

underneath glass is in good condition, and I do not want to strip

the whole

thing to repair them. I can find loads on finishing the new

airframe, but

cannot see much so far on repairs of this type. Can someone point

me in the

right direction please.

Thanks,
Richard.

Richard Thomson
Weston s Mare , UK
Tri-Q G-BMFN ( 21 yrs since 1st reg. this month )
Viggen@...

Steve,

I really wish that were the case, as this engine only has 3 hours TT.

Here is the reply I received from Revmaster Aviation on Engine Serial #2343.

"According to the files the crankshaft serial number is 2509 this indicates that this is a cast crankshaft and should be replaced and that there is no indication in the file that the unit has been changed. It should have a duel ignition system, the type of magneto equipped should be D 2000 Bendix. We advise that the Posa carburetor should be replaced with a newer Revflow injector carburetor unit. If you have anymore questions regarding this engine please contact us at anytime via this email address revavia@... or by phone 1-760-244-3074.

thanks
tom


Steve <sham@...> wrote: Tom,
If you have a Revmaster 2100d, it already has a fordged crank!

Steve Ham