I just went and checked mine. Yes, the stick position moves as I turn the
elevator turnbuckle. I've never noticed this in-flight and don't believe
that it is an issue.

Jon

Hi Guys,
So does it matter which Elevator pushrod the thumb wheel resides in ? Mine
is on the Right one.

Richard Thomson
Weston s Mare , UK
Tri-Q G-BMFN
richard@...

Thank you for all these reports Kevin, they are very well received and instructional to anyone working to finish the Q2. Happy new year and great sky ahead. Raoul

--- trumanst@... wrote:

From: Kevin Boddicker <trumanst@...>
To: Q-LIST <Q-LIST@...>
Subject: [Q-LIST] Flight report
Date: Tue, 26 Dec 2006 20:05:22 -0600

26 Dec 06
Todays flight was to get finished with the flight testing. Added 14
pounds in the PAX seat to bring it up to max weight. Max being, 170#
pilot, 214# PAX, 40# baggage, 30# fuel header, 99# fuel Main, leaves
747# empty weight.
Added the 14 pounds of weight to the PAX seat. Probably went over the
weight some, due to all the duct tape needed to secure the bags. TO
on 17 was with wind from 260 at 10. Everything went well. Climb to
altitude for pitch bucks. Normal. I did not do more climb and
descents, as I think I have those numbers nailed down.
The rest of the tests proceeded by landing, adding fuel, adding 10#
in the baggage area, TO, climb, pitch buck power on and off, landing,
adding fuel, doing it all over again. Got to gross and flew around
some to feel the plane at gross. The biggest lesson learned, how much
different the reflexor settings are at higher weights. The plane
would be a bear to fly without a reflexor or T Tail. ( I have not
flown with a T tail but gather that it trims somewhat the same)
It hardly seems possible, but I am free to roam the country!!!
This will end the flight reports. Next I may write about the places I
go.
Thanks to all who helped in any way, you know who you are.
Keep building!! It's great fun.

Kevin Boddicker
Tri Q 200 N7868B 43.7 hours
Luana, IA.










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Chris, sounds normal to me. I have mine on the right control rod. I think that
makes it work toward a safer system. If I have heavy loads on the right, I
adjust the right turnbuckle so it shortens the rod length. If you have the
adjustable rod on the left, adjusting it for heavier loads will lengthen the
push rod, towards separation.

I haven't really paid attention to whether or not the stick changes position.
So to me at least, it's no big deal.
Sam

Kevin, I'll be in Topeka the next couple days. You should fly down to TOP and
say hi!
Congratulations!
Sam Hoskins

CONGRATULATIONS, KEVIN !!!!!



You did it! Yeee HAaaa! I am so proud of you. It is sure a great
feeling to be finally released, isn't it?



I have one bit of advice for you at this point. You are still learning
about and gaining confidence in your plane.

Continue your slow and deliberate expansion of the envelope. The reason
I say this is because if you look at the

safety stats you typically see a jump in incidences in the 40-50 hour
range. I'm guessing that is from folks taking

on too much too soon after they are released. Something to keep in
mind...



Congratulations again.



Dave Richardson

Tri-Q2 825DR 91hrs

Stow, OH





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From: Kevin Boddicker [mailto:trumanst@...]
Sent: Tuesday, December 26, 2006 9:05 PM
To: Q-LIST
Subject: [Q-LIST] Flight report



26 Dec 06
Todays flight was to get finished with the flight testing. Added 14
pounds in the PAX seat to bring it up to max weight. Max being, 170#
pilot, 214# PAX, 40# baggage, 30# fuel header, 99# fuel Main, leaves
747# empty weight.
Added the 14 pounds of weight to the PAX seat. Probably went over the
weight some, due to all the duct tape needed to secure the bags. TO
on 17 was with wind from 260 at 10. Everything went well. Climb to
altitude for pitch bucks. Normal. I did not do more climb and
descents, as I think I have those numbers nailed down.
The rest of the tests proceeded by landing, adding fuel, adding 10#
in the baggage area, TO, climb, pitch buck power on and off, landing,
adding fuel, doing it all over again. Got to gross and flew around
some to feel the plane at gross. The biggest lesson learned, how much
different the reflexor settings are at higher weights. The plane
would be a bear to fly without a reflexor or T Tail. ( I have not
flown with a T tail but gather that it trims somewhat the same)
It hardly seems possible, but I am free to roam the country!!!
This will end the flight reports. Next I may write about the places I
go.
Thanks to all who helped in any way, you know who you are.
Keep building!! It's great fun.

Kevin Boddicker
Tri Q 200 N7868B 43.7 hours
Luana, IA.

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Classification: UNCLASSIFIED
Caveats: NONE

Congratulations Kevin. You had a very well thought out test flight program
that allowed you to safely test your airplane...well done sir!! I suspect
your different reflexor setting are probably due to different CG's, not so
much the weight.

You will have to fly down and see me sometime.

Jeff


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From: Q-LIST@... [mailto:Q-LIST@...] On Behalf Of
Kevin Boddicker
Sent: Tuesday, December 26, 2006 8:05 PM
To: Q-LIST
Subject: [Q-LIST] Flight report



26 Dec 06
Todays flight was to get finished with the flight testing. Added 14
pounds in the PAX seat to bring it up to max weight. Max being, 170#
pilot, 214# PAX, 40# baggage, 30# fuel header, 99# fuel Main, leaves
747# empty weight.
Added the 14 pounds of weight to the PAX seat. Probably went over the
weight some, due to all the duct tape needed to secure the bags. TO
on 17 was with wind from 260 at 10. Everything went well. Climb to
altitude for pitch bucks. Normal. I did not do more climb and
descents, as I think I have those numbers nailed down.
The rest of the tests proceeded by landing, adding fuel, adding 10#
in the baggage area, TO, climb, pitch buck power on and off, landing,
adding fuel, doing it all over again. Got to gross and flew around
some to feel the plane at gross. The biggest lesson learned, how much
different the reflexor settings are at higher weights. The plane
would be a bear to fly without a reflexor or T Tail. ( I have not
flown with a T tail but gather that it trims somewhat the same)
It hardly seems possible, but I am free to roam the country!!!
This will end the flight reports. Next I may write about the places I
go.
Thanks to all who helped in any way, you know who you are.
Keep building!! It's great fun.

Kevin Boddicker
Tri Q 200 N7868B 43.7 hours
Luana, IA.







Classification: UNCLASSIFIED
Caveats: NONE

My pleasure Gordon.
I too felt a bit of disconnect with my last report.
I will stay in touch with the list.

Kevin Boddicker
Tri Q 200 N7868B 43.7 hours
Luana, IA.

Kevin,
Just a brief note to thank you for your very detailed flight reports. As a Q 200 builder I have looked forward to each one with extreme interest and am somewhat disappointed to have them come to an end from a personal point of view but extremely happy for you now that you have achieved this goal. Wishing you many enjoyable hours of flying N7868B around the country and hope to see you and your Q at a fly-in some day. Congratulations on achieving this milestone and thank you on behalf of other Q-Builders for the inspiration you have given us all.
Sincerely,
Gord Givens
Ottawa, Canada

Does anyone recognize the country? I'll give you a clue, I hope to be flying my Q2 over it next year, and it's name begins with an N and a Z.
Allan Farr

Lord Bless you to Bro Kevin! Congrats on flying off the time. Come
and see me or meet me somewhere.
I am down right now though. Several things need my attention.
Bruski




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26 Dec 06
Todays flight was to get finished with the flight testing. Added 14
pounds in the PAX seat to bring it up to max weight. Max being, 170#
pilot, 214# PAX, 40# baggage, 30# fuel header, 99# fuel Main, leaves
747# empty weight.
Added the 14 pounds of weight to the PAX seat. Probably went over the
weight some, due to all the duct tape needed to secure the bags. TO
on 17 was with wind from 260 at 10. Everything went well. Climb to
altitude for pitch bucks. Normal. I did not do more climb and
descents, as I think I have those numbers nailed down.
The rest of the tests proceeded by landing, adding fuel, adding 10#
in the baggage area, TO, climb, pitch buck power on and off, landing,
adding fuel, doing it all over again. Got to gross and flew around
some to feel the plane at gross. The biggest lesson learned, how much
different the reflexor settings are at higher weights. The plane
would be a bear to fly without a reflexor or T Tail. ( I have not
flown with a T tail but gather that it trims somewhat the same)
It hardly seems possible, but I am free to roam the country!!!
This will end the flight reports. Next I may write about the places I
go.
Thanks to all who helped in any way, you know who you are.
Keep building!! It's great fun.

Kevin Boddicker
Tri Q 200 N7868B 43.7 hours
Luana, IA.

Now now, don't make fun of my trim system!! It's simple and it
works, what more do you need???

Sorry Chris, I don't know the answer to your question.

I hope all of you had a great Christmas!

- Paul

--- In Q-LIST@..., "Sam Hoskins" <shoskins@...> wrote:

Chris,

My roll trim is on the elevator, not the ailerons. I don/t know

the setup

that you have. When I was cogitating about this, way back when, I

thought

adjusting the ailerons for trim would be ineffective, since they

would

balance themselves.

Having said that, I think that Paul Fisher has a very simple roll

trim

device which positions the control stick.

Paul?

Sam Hoskins



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From: Q-LIST@... [mailto:Q-LIST@...] On

Behalf Of

chris rayner
Sent: Tuesday, December 26, 2006 8:32 AM
To: Q-LIST@...
Subject: [Q-LIST] Merry Christmas and a question (as usual)



Sam, congratulations on the "new grandad" and Merry Christmas and

have a

great New Year all.
Those little white dotted lines in the "trussnauts" picture looks

like it

could be pretty useful... great picture though.

To all, now the festive season is on the way to "over" I'm

thinking about

two things for the new year - moving out of my house at the end of

January,

to another one I haven't found yet! .. and finishing flight

testing the Q.

One thing from the first flight, when roll trim was used on the

split

elevator control, to compensate for the single occupant, it

affected the

neutral position of the ailerons. It naturally wanted to bank

(left I

think). Does anyone know if this is normal or can be corrected by

(eg

reducing the strength of the little springs between the elevator

control

arms? Or do I have to change the untrimmed position of one

elevator so the

left one is more down than the right when untrimmed? I haven't

tried with

two on board yet, so maybe it's not a problem then, but it's a bit

of effort

to fight the bias with only one person aboard. Any comments please?
Many thanks
Chris Rayner (G-CUIK)
----- Original Message -----
From: Sam Hoskins
To: Q-LIST@yahoogroups. <mailto:Q-LIST%40yahoogroups.com> com
Sent: Tuesday, December 26, 2006 1:17 AM
Subject: [Q-LIST] Off Topic - Merry Christmas

Take a look at this view:
http://antwrp.

<http://antwrp.gsfc.nasa.gov/apod/image/0612/trussnauts_sts116_big.jp
g>

gsfc.nasa.gov/apod/image/0612/trussnauts_sts116_big.jpg

From one of my favorite sites:
http://antwrp. <http://antwrp.gsfc.nasa.gov/apod>

gsfc.nasa.gov/apod

Best to you all

Sam Hoskins
New Granddad

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Hi Jon and Sam, I wasn't being clear enough - sorry. I do have the turnbuckle trim on the left push/pull rod. When this is used to shorten the left rod to drop the elevator and trim to roll right, it causes the stick to move to rest off centre - to the left I think. So I wondered if this is normal and what I should do to fix it, eg move the position of the left elevator down a bit with respect to the elevator actuator arm? Or can I do something else like soften the little springs that are between the two elevator actuating arms?
Chris

Hi Chris,

Probably not quite an answer... Quite a few of us have a turnbuckle
permanently mounted in one of the elevator push-pull tubes between the stick
and elevator bellcrank (requires the two elevator push-pull tube setup).
Rotating this bellcrank increases or decreases the length of the push-pull
tube thus increasing/decreasing the position of ONE elevator. The roll
tendency that you mention can then be trimmed out.

I know Paul Fisher uses a fancy length of velcro to hold the stick to the
side to solve the roll-trim problem! :-)

Jon

Chris,

My roll trim is on the elevator, not the ailerons. I don/t know the setup
that you have. When I was cogitating about this, way back when, I thought
adjusting the ailerons for trim would be ineffective, since they would
balance themselves.

Having said that, I think that Paul Fisher has a very simple roll trim
device which positions the control stick.

Paul?

Sam Hoskins



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From: Q-LIST@... [mailto:Q-LIST@...] On Behalf Of
chris rayner
Sent: Tuesday, December 26, 2006 8:32 AM
To: Q-LIST@...
Subject: [Q-LIST] Merry Christmas and a question (as usual)



Sam, congratulations on the "new grandad" and Merry Christmas and have a
great New Year all.
Those little white dotted lines in the "trussnauts" picture looks like it
could be pretty useful... great picture though.

To all, now the festive season is on the way to "over" I'm thinking about
two things for the new year - moving out of my house at the end of January,
to another one I haven't found yet! .. and finishing flight testing the Q.
One thing from the first flight, when roll trim was used on the split
elevator control, to compensate for the single occupant, it affected the
neutral position of the ailerons. It naturally wanted to bank (left I
think). Does anyone know if this is normal or can be corrected by (eg
reducing the strength of the little springs between the elevator control
arms? Or do I have to change the untrimmed position of one elevator so the
left one is more down than the right when untrimmed? I haven't tried with
two on board yet, so maybe it's not a problem then, but it's a bit of effort
to fight the bias with only one person aboard. Any comments please?
Many thanks
Chris Rayner (G-CUIK)

Sam, congratulations on the "new grandad" and Merry Christmas and have a great New Year all.
Those little white dotted lines in the "trussnauts" picture looks like it could be pretty useful... great picture though.

To all, now the festive season is on the way to "over" I'm thinking about two things for the new year - moving out of my house at the end of January, to another one I haven't found yet! .. and finishing flight testing the Q. One thing from the first flight, when roll trim was used on the split elevator control, to compensate for the single occupant, it affected the neutral position of the ailerons. It naturally wanted to bank (left I think). Does anyone know if this is normal or can be corrected by (eg reducing the strength of the little springs between the elevator control arms? Or do I have to change the untrimmed position of one elevator so the left one is more down than the right when untrimmed? I haven't tried with two on board yet, so maybe it's not a problem then, but it's a bit of effort to fight the bias with only one person aboard. Any comments please?
Many thanks
Chris Rayner (G-CUIK)

Take a look at this view:
http://antwrp.gsfc.nasa.gov/apod/image/0612/trussnauts_sts116_big.jpg

From one of my favorite sites:
http://antwrp.gsfc.nasa.gov/apod

Best to you all

Sam Hoskins
New Granddad

Hi All,
Merry Christmas to you.
Under the upper cowling on my Tri, there is the remnants of some white
substance which is flaking off, looks something like heavy weight
dandruff. I suspect it was a fireproof protective coating in its past
life. Does anyone have a similar experience ? The Fibreglass underneath
it is in good condition. Is this the remains of a still valid process
or is there a new material that is now used, like fibrefrax for example?

Richard Thomson
Tri Q G-BMFN
richard@...

Amen Kevin. Happy New Year along with the Merry Christmas. Raoul

--- trumanst@... wrote:

From: Kevin Boddicker <trumanst@...>
To: Q-LIST <Q-LIST@...>
Subject: [Q-LIST] Flight Report
Date: Sun, 24 Dec 2006 15:13:53 -0600

24 Dec 06
Increased the weight to 1246#. CG 45.66" TO from 17 was into as 15 to
20 MPh head wind, thus the TO roll was less than anticipated. It was
hard to feel the increased weight, but I let the plane fly off rather
than making it fly. Climb to 3500 ft as normal. The OAT must have
been quite a bit higher than the ground temp. CHT was higher along
with the oil temp. Opened the fresh air vent. Not cold. The air was
like glass above 2700 ft. Preformed climbs and descents, 60° banks at
cruise, power off pitch bucks. All went as expected. Pitch buck was
82 MPH indicated. Best climb and best descent rates were very similar
to previous tests. VERY beautiful day for Christmas Eve in NE Iowa.
Back to the field for landing. First approach was a touch and go.
Second pass was full stop.
At this time of the Lord's birth, I would like to thank God for all
his gifts to my family and myself.
Merry Christmas.

Kevin Boddicker
Tri Q 200 N7868B 41.2 hours Getting closer!!!
Luana, IA.




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