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QBA wings - available again for a limited time

n17pf <FisherPaul@...>
 

(limited to the time it takes to sell all of the ones I have!)

Those of you who have been around for a while may remember in 1999
when we had pilot's wings made up. Well, I used the $100 I won at the
Emporia fly-in as seed money to buy another batch of them.

Here's a picture of what they look like:
http://tinyurl.com/2zkbf7

They are 2.5 inches long and cast out of some gold looking metal, with
a top view of a Q2 in the center. I think they look very nice! Bruce
Crain was wearing a set at Emporia this year if anyone remembers.

If you want one, send me a check for $10 USD and I'll mail a set to
you. If anyone outside the USA is interested, please contact me via
email (paulf at hughes dot net) and we'll figure out what
international postage will be. My postal address is in the caption of
the picture listed above.

Yes, I realize I could do this through eBay and you could just use
Paypal, but it may take me until Christmas to get that all set up.
Sorry for the inconvenience, but for now this is how I'm going to do it.

I've only got 25 of these, so first come, first served. All proceeds
will be donated to the spring Iowa City fly-in.

Paul A. Fisher
Q-200, N17PF


Re: Ghost engine photos

Sam Hoskins
 

I wish it was my idea, but yes, it is cool. Say a guy was getting ready to
have some exhaust stacks made up. He could use this technique and focus a
little more on the area in question and see where he needed the clearance.
I think it really can be useful and not just a "gee whiz".

Sam

On 11/1/07, Richard Hole <rickhole@...> wrote:

Sam, this is a way-cool idea!! Putting the camera on a tripod would
line things up easier. Gotta try this, thanks!
Rick

--- In Q-LIST@... <Q-LIST%40yahoogroups.com>, "Sam Hoskins" <
sam.hoskins@...> wrote:

All,

At Oshkosh this year, I sat in on a Vari-Eze engine efficiency
forum held by
Terry Schubert <http://www.ez.org> and Gary Hertzler.

One of the cool things they showed was "ghost images" of an engine
installation. It's kind of like the old "Visible Man" toy or like
having
X-ray glasses. You can could see what's under the skin.

I thought I would give it a try today. The initial results are far
from
perfect, but I think it's worth passing along.

Using Prof. C-Rod's camera & tripod I first marked the tripod leg
positions
on the pavement. I went around the plane and took 5 photos with
the engine
dressed (cowling on). I then undressed the engine and took a
second set of
photos. Then, I used my Paint Shop Pro program to combine the
photos,
making the cowling somewhat transparent.

You can see that everything didn't line up perfectly and the engine
lighting
needs improvement, but you get the general idea. It would probably
be
better to keep the camera stationary while dressing and undressing
the
engine, but the method I used was faster. The whole setup and
photo shoot
was less than an hour.

With a little practice and refinement this could be a very useful
tool to
see how things fit under the cowl. You can see your clearances and
everything. If I do this fuel injection mod, it will help me
figure out if
I have room for the various components.

Take a look in the Photos section in the Sam Hoskins
folder<http://ph.groups.yahoo.com/group/Q-LIST/photos/browse/b877?
c=>
.

Regards,

Sam Hoskins
Murphysboro, IL





Re: Takeoff/Landing Video

Steve <sham@...>
 

Kris, You can NEVER have to much time in a taildragger. Champ.Citibria,Decathlon, Pitts, are all good (trainers). I had about 300+ hours in taildraggers before my first flight. There are guys out there that have flown with very little TG experience. If you take your Champ experience and think about landing about twice as fast,,,you will have a good idea. It all depends on the plane and how it is set up. If done right, landings are pretty uneventfull, (but hands on). My suggestion is to hitch a ride with a Q pilot and get the feel from the right seat.

Good luck

Steve Ham

----- Original Message -----
From: kleirfall@...
To: Q-LIST@...
Sent: Tuesday, October 30, 2007 9:41 AM
Subject: RE: Fwd: Re: [Q-LIST] Takeoff/Landing Video


I am still in the airplane shopping stage and was thinking of a Q2, how ever
only have about 30 hours of Champ time and 300 hours total time. Wondering if
that is an ok plane or if I need to get some more experience before I hop into a Q2.
Kris

Quoting jon@...:

>
> Kleirfall,
>
>
>
> "Compared to what?" is the first question that comes to mind.
>
>
>
> I can only answer with the experiences that my Q1 and Q2 have given me. My
> Q2 has had the Gall wheel alignment and per-plans single lever brakes. With
> that in mind...
>
>
>
> Compared to a C150, yes. Compared to a Luscombe, Citabria, average
> taildragger... I don't think so. However; I don't have time in any
> taildragger other than Q1 and Q2 so this comment is based only on what I've
> heard from others.
>
>
>
> I've not felt it first-hand but it would seem that the Jim-Box Six-Pack tames
> the Q2 even further. I did ride with Jim P. once and his plane certainly
> seemed very stable on the ground from the right seat.
>
>
>
> No, I don't fight my Q2 on landings. It is necessary for me to be an active
> participant in the rollout phase (actually, all phases) but I certainly do
> not feel like I am fighting the plane or that it is out to get me.
>
>
>
> Jon
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: kleirfall@...
> Sent: Friday, October 26, 2007 6:47pm
> To: Q-LIST@...
> Subject: Fwd: Re: [Q-LIST] Takeoff/Landing Video
>
> Is the Q2 at all squirrelly? Do you fight it on landings?
>
> ----- Forwarded message from Doug Humble -----
> Date: Thu, 25 Oct 2007 08:39:44 -0500
> From: Doug Humble
> Reply-To: Q-LIST@...
> Subject: Re: [Q-LIST] Takeoff/Landing Video
> To: Q-LIST@...
>
> Great analogy Steve! I sweat just looking at the video. Anyone complaining
> about the handling qualities of this airplane can be sent to Jon's video.
>
> Doug "Hawkeye" Humble
> A Sign Above www.asignabove.net
> Omaha NE
> N25974
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: Steve
> To: Q-LIST@...
> Sent: Wednesday, October 24, 2007 8:28 PM
> Subject: Re: [Q-LIST] Takeoff/Landing Video
>
>
> Jon,
>
> Is that your driveway with a centerline. It can't be much narrower????
>
> Great video..
> Steve Ham
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: jon@...
> To: q-list@...
> Sent: Wednesday, October 24, 2007 5:04 PM
> Subject: [Q-LIST] Takeoff/Landing Video
>
> ... and another video. This one is a takeoff and landing filmed from the
> approach end of the runway.
>
> The last entry (currently) on my Video page:
>
> [http://www.finleyweb.net/JonsStuff/Videos/tabid/186/Default.aspx]
> http://www.finleyweb.net/JonsStuff/Videos/tabid/186/Default.aspx
>
> Or directly:
>
> [http://68.178.49.203/jon/314JF-TakeoffAndLandingE98-2007Oct24.wmv]
> http://68.178.49.203/jon/314JF-TakeoffAndLandingE98-2007Oct24.wmv
>
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Re: Ghost engine photos

Richard Hole <rickhole@...>
 

Sam, this is a way-cool idea!! Putting the camera on a tripod would
line things up easier. Gotta try this, thanks!
Rick

--- In Q-LIST@..., "Sam Hoskins" <sam.hoskins@...> wrote:

All,

At Oshkosh this year, I sat in on a Vari-Eze engine efficiency
forum held by
Terry Schubert <http://www.ez.org> and Gary Hertzler.

One of the cool things they showed was "ghost images" of an engine
installation. It's kind of like the old "Visible Man" toy or like
having
X-ray glasses. You can could see what's under the skin.

I thought I would give it a try today. The initial results are far
from
perfect, but I think it's worth passing along.

Using Prof. C-Rod's camera & tripod I first marked the tripod leg
positions
on the pavement. I went around the plane and took 5 photos with
the engine
dressed (cowling on). I then undressed the engine and took a
second set of
photos. Then, I used my Paint Shop Pro program to combine the
photos,
making the cowling somewhat transparent.

You can see that everything didn't line up perfectly and the engine
lighting
needs improvement, but you get the general idea. It would probably
be
better to keep the camera stationary while dressing and undressing
the
engine, but the method I used was faster. The whole setup and
photo shoot
was less than an hour.

With a little practice and refinement this could be a very useful
tool to
see how things fit under the cowl. You can see your clearances and
everything. If I do this fuel injection mod, it will help me
figure out if
I have room for the various components.

Take a look in the Photos section in the Sam Hoskins
folder<http://ph.groups.yahoo.com/group/Q-LIST/photos/browse/b877?
c=>
.

Regards,

Sam Hoskins
Murphysboro, IL


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Re: Ghost engine photos

Steve <sham@...>
 

Wow ...looks like an ultrasound..you can almost determine the sex,

very cool Sam.

Steve Ham

----- Original Message -----
From: Sam Hoskins
To: Quickie List ; Q-200_Engine_Group@...
Sent: Thursday, November 01, 2007 3:05 PM
Subject: [Q-LIST] Ghost engine photos


All,

At Oshkosh this year, I sat in on a Vari-Eze engine efficiency forum held by
Terry Schubert <http://www.ez.org> and Gary Hertzler.

One of the cool things they showed was "ghost images" of an engine
installation. It's kind of like the old "Visible Man" toy or like having
X-ray glasses. You can could see what's under the skin.

I thought I would give it a try today. The initial results are far from
perfect, but I think it's worth passing along.

Using Prof. C-Rod's camera & tripod I first marked the tripod leg positions
on the pavement. I went around the plane and took 5 photos with the engine
dressed (cowling on). I then undressed the engine and took a second set of
photos. Then, I used my Paint Shop Pro program to combine the photos,
making the cowling somewhat transparent.

You can see that everything didn't line up perfectly and the engine lighting
needs improvement, but you get the general idea. It would probably be
better to keep the camera stationary while dressing and undressing the
engine, but the method I used was faster. The whole setup and photo shoot
was less than an hour.

With a little practice and refinement this could be a very useful tool to
see how things fit under the cowl. You can see your clearances and
everything. If I do this fuel injection mod, it will help me figure out if
I have room for the various components.

Take a look in the Photos section in the Sam Hoskins
folder<http://ph.groups.yahoo.com/group/Q-LIST/photos/browse/b877?c=>
.

Regards,

Sam Hoskins
Murphysboro, IL


Re: Brake Issue??

Larry Hamm <Patlar@...>
 

Lynn,

I've been trying to spread the word, but yours is the first comment to pierce the deafening silence.

I've got a quart sitting on the shelf ready to go, but I don't recall where I bought it. If I can find the source, I'll let you know.

Larry Hamm

LJFrench wrote:

My thanks as well to this good discussion. I was not aware of Mil-H-83282. I have always been using the 5606, but after this discussion am interested in switching. A gallon would last me a life time though - considering I have probably only used a couple of cups of this stuff to date.
L. French
----- Original Message -----
From: "Larry Hamm" <Patlar@...>
To: <Q-LIST@...>; <jon@...>
Sent: Monday, October 29, 2007 1:15 AM
Subject: Re: [Q-LIST] Brake Issue??

Jon,

Here's a bit more feedback. Maybe it will help!

This was posted on the Biplane Hangar Mailing list recently:

Bret - Biplane Hangar http://www.gf24.de/biplane/

Had a brake fire on an RV-8A last weekend. Tidy combination of
operator error and design issues, much of which is specific to the 8A
and/or castering nosewheel, steer-with-the-brakes airplanes in general.
However, research did turn up a few items perhaps everyone should know.

The fire started after an overheated caliper leaked fluid on a hot
disk. The fluid flashed and lit the resin in the fiberglass wheel pant,
as well as the tire sidewall. The brake worked fine, with only slightly
higher pedal pressure required even when on fire.
I've posted a photo to the vault (yep, a bystander had a digital
camera). In the photo, I'm holding pedal pressure while shutting down
for the fire crew. Note the fire on the ground under the pant, believed
to be fluid and dripping resin. I don't recall any additional pedal
travel.

When something like this happens I get curious. Why did the seal
leak at some temperature well below a failure temperature for the rest
of the brake? And why did the fluid catch fire?

Fast forward: It turns out the Cleveland piston seal for the
little 30-9 caliper is an ordinary MS28775-218 nitrile o-ring.
Nitrile's temperature rating is - 65F to +275 F. We found the seal to
be brittle and flaking when we dismantled the caliper. A caliper seal
with a 275 F temp limit is below automotive standards, but that's
another story.

As for fluid, Cleveland's tech manual specifies either Mil-H-5606
or Mil-H-83282 as acceptable. Both are listed in AC-43 and the A&P
texts. Turns out that Mil-H-83282 was created because the military was
tired of setting it's airplanes on fire. Mil-H-5606 is the standard red
hydraulic fluid sold by Spruce, Wicks, Chief, etc. It is a petroleum
base, and turns out to have a very low flash point. The Mil-H-83282 is
also red, and compatible with 5606 fluid as well as seals created for
5606. However, it is a synthetic, with much higher flash and burn
points, and is self-extinguishing when removed from the
ignition source.

You can download complete specs for Aeroshell Fluid 41
(Mil-H-5606) and Aeroshell Fluid 31 (Mil-H-83282) at:

http://193.113.209.166/aeroshell/aeroshellhydraulicfluids.pdf

Note the flash points of the two fluids. Aeroshell 41 is 104 C,
which is only 219 F. Aeroshell 31 is 237 C, or 458 F.

A flash point of 219 F means that when a Cleveland caliper seal
fails at something above 275, the fluid is already hot enough to light
when it hits a hot disk and vaporizes inside the pant. Makes for an
interesting combination.

Live and learn. I always assumed standard "mil-spec red brake
fluid" was something special, and I doubt I was alone in this
assumption. It's not.
It's just another one of those "always done it that way" things
prevalent with light airplanes. Note that the Shell literature declines
to even refer to it as brake fluid.

Spruce, etc, doesn't sell Mil-H-83282 fluid, but they should. I've
already ordered a gallon of Fluid 31 from the local Shell distributor.
Since the old and new fluids are compatible, switching is as easy as
draining the old, flush with new, refill, and bleed.

Jon-you don't seem to be the kind of guy that does things "just because
they've always been done that way".

Most Sincerely,
Larry Hamm


Jon Finley wrote:
Wow - lots of feedback! Thanks everyone.

I spent the day completely disassembling and cleaning my system. I then put
everything back together with aviation hydraulic fluid (MIL-H-5606). If
problems persist, I'll do the whole rebuild kit/new seals thing.

FYI: I reported that the DOT 3 that I used was red. I was wrong, I checked
today and it is clear.

Jon


Re: Ghost engine photos

jon@...
 

VERY cool Sam!



Terry also published that idea a few issues back in CSA. I took the photos but never got back to it. You've now motivated me!!



Jon

-----Original Message-----
From: Sam Hoskins <sam.hoskins@...>
Sent: Thursday, November 1, 2007 3:05pm
To: Quickie List <Q-LIST@...>, Q-200_Engine_Group@...
Subject: [Q-LIST] Ghost engine photos

All,

At Oshkosh this year, I sat in on a Vari-Eze engine efficiency forum held by
Terry Schubert and Gary Hertzler.

One of the cool things they showed was "ghost images" of an engine
installation. It's kind of like the old "Visible Man" toy or like having
X-ray glasses. You can could see what's under the skin.

I thought I would give it a try today. The initial results are far from
perfect, but I think it's worth passing along.

Using Prof. C-Rod's camera & tripod I first marked the tripod leg positions
on the pavement. I went around the plane and took 5 photos with the engine
dressed (cowling on). I then undressed the engine and took a second set of
photos. Then, I used my Paint Shop Pro program to combine the photos,
making the cowling somewhat transparent.

You can see that everything didn't line up perfectly and the engine lighting
needs improvement, but you get the general idea. It would probably be
better to keep the camera stationary while dressing and undressing the
engine, but the method I used was faster. The whole setup and photo shoot
was less than an hour.

With a little practice and refinement this could be a very useful tool to
see how things fit under the cowl. You can see your clearances and
everything. If I do this fuel injection mod, it will help me figure out if
I have room for the various components.

Take a look in the Photos section in the Sam Hoskins
folder
.

Regards,

Sam Hoskins
Murphysboro, IL






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Ghost engine photos

Sam Hoskins
 

All,

At Oshkosh this year, I sat in on a Vari-Eze engine efficiency forum held by
Terry Schubert <http://www.ez.org> and Gary Hertzler.

One of the cool things they showed was "ghost images" of an engine
installation. It's kind of like the old "Visible Man" toy or like having
X-ray glasses. You can could see what's under the skin.

I thought I would give it a try today. The initial results are far from
perfect, but I think it's worth passing along.

Using Prof. C-Rod's camera & tripod I first marked the tripod leg positions
on the pavement. I went around the plane and took 5 photos with the engine
dressed (cowling on). I then undressed the engine and took a second set of
photos. Then, I used my Paint Shop Pro program to combine the photos,
making the cowling somewhat transparent.

You can see that everything didn't line up perfectly and the engine lighting
needs improvement, but you get the general idea. It would probably be
better to keep the camera stationary while dressing and undressing the
engine, but the method I used was faster. The whole setup and photo shoot
was less than an hour.

With a little practice and refinement this could be a very useful tool to
see how things fit under the cowl. You can see your clearances and
everything. If I do this fuel injection mod, it will help me figure out if
I have room for the various components.

Take a look in the Photos section in the Sam Hoskins
folder<http://ph.groups.yahoo.com/group/Q-LIST/photos/browse/b877?c=>
.

Regards,

Sam Hoskins
Murphysboro, IL


Re: Takeoff/Landing Video

Doug Humble <hawkidoug@...>
 

I have about the same experience back ground as you. If you respect the airplane, you'll have fun!!

Doug "Hawkeye" Humble
A Sign Above www.asignabove.net
Omaha NE
N25974

----- Original Message -----
From: kleirfall@...
To: Q-LIST@...
Sent: Tuesday, October 30, 2007 8:41 AM
Subject: RE: Fwd: Re: [Q-LIST] Takeoff/Landing Video


I am still in the airplane shopping stage and was thinking of a Q2, how ever
only have about 30 hours of Champ time and 300 hours total time. Wondering if
that is an ok plane or if I need to get some more experience before I hop into a Q2.
Kris

Quoting jon@...:

>
> Kleirfall,
>
>
>
> "Compared to what?" is the first question that comes to mind.
>
>
>
> I can only answer with the experiences that my Q1 and Q2 have given me. My
> Q2 has had the Gall wheel alignment and per-plans single lever brakes. With
> that in mind...
>
>
>
> Compared to a C150, yes. Compared to a Luscombe, Citabria, average
> taildragger... I don't think so. However; I don't have time in any
> taildragger other than Q1 and Q2 so this comment is based only on what I've
> heard from others.
>
>
>
> I've not felt it first-hand but it would seem that the Jim-Box Six-Pack tames
> the Q2 even further. I did ride with Jim P. once and his plane certainly
> seemed very stable on the ground from the right seat.
>
>
>
> No, I don't fight my Q2 on landings. It is necessary for me to be an active
> participant in the rollout phase (actually, all phases) but I certainly do
> not feel like I am fighting the plane or that it is out to get me.
>
>
>
> Jon
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: kleirfall@...
> Sent: Friday, October 26, 2007 6:47pm
> To: Q-LIST@...
> Subject: Fwd: Re: [Q-LIST] Takeoff/Landing Video
>
> Is the Q2 at all squirrelly? Do you fight it on landings?
>
> ----- Forwarded message from Doug Humble -----
> Date: Thu, 25 Oct 2007 08:39:44 -0500
> From: Doug Humble
> Reply-To: Q-LIST@...
> Subject: Re: [Q-LIST] Takeoff/Landing Video
> To: Q-LIST@...
>
> Great analogy Steve! I sweat just looking at the video. Anyone complaining
> about the handling qualities of this airplane can be sent to Jon's video.
>
> Doug "Hawkeye" Humble
> A Sign Above www.asignabove.net
> Omaha NE
> N25974
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: Steve
> To: Q-LIST@...
> Sent: Wednesday, October 24, 2007 8:28 PM
> Subject: Re: [Q-LIST] Takeoff/Landing Video
>
>
> Jon,
>
> Is that your driveway with a centerline. It can't be much narrower????
>
> Great video..
> Steve Ham
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: jon@...
> To: q-list@...
> Sent: Wednesday, October 24, 2007 5:04 PM
> Subject: [Q-LIST] Takeoff/Landing Video
>
> ... and another video. This one is a takeoff and landing filmed from the
> approach end of the runway.
>
> The last entry (currently) on my Video page:
>
> [http://www.finleyweb.net/JonsStuff/Videos/tabid/186/Default.aspx]
> http://www.finleyweb.net/JonsStuff/Videos/tabid/186/Default.aspx
>
> Or directly:
>
> [http://68.178.49.203/jon/314JF-TakeoffAndLandingE98-2007Oct24.wmv]
> http://68.178.49.203/jon/314JF-TakeoffAndLandingE98-2007Oct24.wmv
>
> Jon
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Re: [Fwd: Tri Q2 - Emporia Fly in]

Doug Humble <hawkidoug@...>
 

Jerry, the photos do not appear in the email. Could you please upload them to the Yahoo groups site?

Doug "Hawkeye" Humble
A Sign Above www.asignabove.net
Omaha NE
N25974

----- Original Message -----
From: Jerry Marstall
To: Q-LIST@...
Sent: Thursday, November 01, 2007 8:47 AM
Subject: [Q-LIST] [Fwd: Tri Q2 - Emporia Fly in]


You may all remember Ingolf. He is the really nice German fellow who
attended the Emporia fly-in. He has sent some really neat photos of an
interesting looking canard flying craft. He also has a question that he
would like answered. Can anyone help him out? Zies.Ingolf@...
> Jerry









Hello Jerry,

5 Weeks ago we met at the tandem Fly-In in Emporia and I promised to
send you the German/Swiss high aspect canards of the 1980´s, attached
are impressive pictures of either light powered to footlauchable glider
planes that were 20-30 years ahead of their time (and the market
unfortunately).

<<canard colibri.jpg>> <<canard 2FL laufversuche.jpg>> <<canard 2fl.jpg>>

Plus I have a question concerning the profile of the Q2 since I am
building a radio controlled version 1/3 scale version at the moment:
Attached as well you will find the profiles for the LS1 canard and the
Main wing (LS 417 and Eppler 1212) as I found them in the Internet (not
on Doug´s site, he couldn´t help) -> Question: are these the right
profiles ? >From the Q-planes on Doug´s resource site I could not really
estimate how the final profile looks like. I would be glad if you could
take a look at the profile pictures.

<<eppler1212.gif>> <<ls417mod.gif>>
Sincerely

Ingolf

P.S. In case you see Earnest please say Greetings and Thanks for the
ride, All the best, Ingo

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[Fwd: Tri Q2 - Emporia Fly in]

Jerry Marstall <jnmarstall@...>
 

You may all remember Ingolf. He is the really nice German fellow who
attended the Emporia fly-in. He has sent some really neat photos of an
interesting looking canard flying craft. He also has a question that he
would like answered. Can anyone help him out? Zies.Ingolf@...
Jerry











Hello Jerry,

5 Weeks ago we met at the tandem Fly-In in Emporia and I promised to
send you the German/Swiss high aspect canards of the 1980´s, attached
are impressive pictures of either light powered to footlauchable glider
planes that were 20-30 years ahead of their time (and the market
unfortunately).

<<canard colibri.jpg>> <<canard 2FL laufversuche.jpg>> <<canard 2fl.jpg>>

Plus I have a question concerning the profile of the Q2 since I am
building a radio controlled version 1/3 scale version at the moment:
Attached as well you will find the profiles for the LS1 canard and the
Main wing (LS 417 and Eppler 1212) as I found them in the Internet (not
on Doug´s site, he couldn´t help) -> Question: are these the right
profiles ? >From the Q-planes on Doug´s resource site I could not really
estimate how the final profile looks like. I would be glad if you could
take a look at the profile pictures.

<<eppler1212.gif>> <<ls417mod.gif>>
Sincerely

Ingolf

P.S. In case you see Earnest please say Greetings and Thanks for the
ride, All the best, Ingo



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Re: jon finley's short landing video

Jon Finley <jon@...>
 

Ha - I was thinking about the black canopy idea - kinda liked it but knew I
would have to brush up on my instrument skills! ;-)

Yes, the gloss tan is NOT a good idea. I get lots of glare from it. I
considered giving it a coat of flat clear but didn't figure it would help
enough to be worth the effort.

Jon

-----Original Message-----
From: Q-LIST@... [mailto:Q-LIST@...]On Behalf Of
Mike Dwyer
Sent: Wednesday, October 31, 2007 5:35 PM
To: Q-LIST@...
Subject: Re: [Q-LIST] jon finley's short landing video


I meant the "instrument panel" black. I guess a black canopy would also
cut the glare...
Mike


Mike Dwyer wrote:
I was watching Jon's video again (for the 20th time) and just noticed
the Tan instrument panel and the reflection on the canopy while he's
landing. This seems like a good reason to make the canopy flat black to
cut down reflections, even tho it may not look as cool...
Mike Q200 N3QP
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Re: jon finley's short landing video

Mike Dwyer <mdwyer@...>
 

I meant the "instrument panel" black. I guess a black canopy would also cut the glare...
Mike


Mike Dwyer wrote:

I was watching Jon's video again (for the 20th time) and just noticed the Tan instrument panel and the reflection on the canopy while he's landing. This seems like a good reason to make the canopy flat black to cut down reflections, even tho it may not look as cool...
Mike Q200 N3QP





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jon finley's short landing video

Mike Dwyer <mdwyer@...>
 

I was watching Jon's video again (for the 20th time) and just noticed the Tan instrument panel and the reflection on the canopy while he's landing. This seems like a good reason to make the canopy flat black to cut down reflections, even tho it may not look as cool...
Mike Q200 N3QP


Re: Flight report

kr2flyer1986
 

Sounds like you be busy. Sometimes the little things can cause lots of work.
Fly Safe
Bob Clark
Tri_Q200
Ankeny Iowa

Kevin Boddicker <trumanst@...> wrote: I got to fly tonight for the first time since I got back from Emporia.
I did some high speed taxi tests first, then into the air. You'll see.
Back around for a landing. Taxi back to TO again. Flew down to my
normal airport. It is closed for some construction. Then flew back
and landed. Both good landings. I may make DEH my home airport. The
manager and FBO would like me to stay. Haven't decided.
I have endured the annual from hell this year.
The main gear attach bolt was broken in two. Replaced it, decided to
replace the other. Bolt too short. Ordered two longer bolts. Too
short. Ordered an AN76, finally long enough for the right side. Left
side, an AN74 worked.
Timing was out. Took off engine for the fifth time since Christmas.
The internal parts of the mags were loose. Got some new parts to fix
them up. Got the engine on the same day I took it off. Thirteen hours
later. Started it up after the oil change. No oil pressure. Took off
the filter and back filled the pump. OP came back after a while. I am
sure there is no damage as I only ran it for a few seconds each time.
I worked on the baffle seal and inner cyl baffling to try to get the
engine to run cooler.
The jury is still out on that one. The temps are within range, but I
would like to see them cooler.
The ground handling was improved. I think the bolt had been broken
for a while. It was not an AN bolt.
A grade 8 with cut threads, and the grip length was all messed up.
The bolt broke where the threads ended. Go figure! My bad though, as
I did not check them. Just trusted the previous builder.
Lessons learned:
Don't trust anything a previous builder has in place, check it out!
Use Sam's condition inspection checklist. Makes overlooking something
less likely.
Be through, it's your ASS.

Glad to be back in the air!!!

Kevin Boddicker
Tri Q 200 N7868B 76.5 hours
Luana, IA.







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Re: Takeoff/Landing Video

kleirfall@...
 

I am still in the airplane shopping stage and was thinking of a Q2, how ever
only have about 30 hours of Champ time and 300 hours total time. Wondering if
that is an ok plane or if I need to get some more experience before I hop into a Q2.
Kris

Quoting jon@...:


Kleirfall,



"Compared to what?" is the first question that comes to mind.



I can only answer with the experiences that my Q1 and Q2 have given me. My
Q2 has had the Gall wheel alignment and per-plans single lever brakes. With
that in mind...



Compared to a C150, yes. Compared to a Luscombe, Citabria, average
taildragger... I don't think so. However; I don't have time in any
taildragger other than Q1 and Q2 so this comment is based only on what I've
heard from others.



I've not felt it first-hand but it would seem that the Jim-Box Six-Pack tames
the Q2 even further. I did ride with Jim P. once and his plane certainly
seemed very stable on the ground from the right seat.



No, I don't fight my Q2 on landings. It is necessary for me to be an active
participant in the rollout phase (actually, all phases) but I certainly do
not feel like I am fighting the plane or that it is out to get me.



Jon


-----Original Message-----
From: kleirfall@...
Sent: Friday, October 26, 2007 6:47pm
To: Q-LIST@...
Subject: Fwd: Re: [Q-LIST] Takeoff/Landing Video

Is the Q2 at all squirrelly? Do you fight it on landings?

----- Forwarded message from Doug Humble -----
Date: Thu, 25 Oct 2007 08:39:44 -0500
From: Doug Humble
Reply-To: Q-LIST@...
Subject: Re: [Q-LIST] Takeoff/Landing Video
To: Q-LIST@...

Great analogy Steve! I sweat just looking at the video. Anyone complaining
about the handling qualities of this airplane can be sent to Jon's video.

Doug "Hawkeye" Humble
A Sign Above www.asignabove.net
Omaha NE
N25974
----- Original Message -----
From: Steve
To: Q-LIST@...
Sent: Wednesday, October 24, 2007 8:28 PM
Subject: Re: [Q-LIST] Takeoff/Landing Video


Jon,

Is that your driveway with a centerline. It can't be much narrower????

Great video..
Steve Ham

----- Original Message -----
From: jon@...
To: q-list@...
Sent: Wednesday, October 24, 2007 5:04 PM
Subject: [Q-LIST] Takeoff/Landing Video

... and another video. This one is a takeoff and landing filmed from the
approach end of the runway.

The last entry (currently) on my Video page:

[http://www.finleyweb.net/JonsStuff/Videos/tabid/186/Default.aspx]
http://www.finleyweb.net/JonsStuff/Videos/tabid/186/Default.aspx

Or directly:

[http://68.178.49.203/jon/314JF-TakeoffAndLandingE98-2007Oct24.wmv]
http://68.178.49.203/jon/314JF-TakeoffAndLandingE98-2007Oct24.wmv

Jon












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Re: Flight report

Steve <sham@...>
 

Hey Kevin,
Sounds like you are REALLY getting to know your plane. Glad to see your flying report. I heard a good one at a flyin once. A KR2 builder told me: (The best way to get temps down on a Revmaster, move farther North) Does't help much.

Good luck Steve Ham

----- Original Message -----
From: Kevin Boddicker
To: Q-LIST
Sent: Monday, October 29, 2007 10:33 PM
Subject: [Q-LIST] Flight report


I got to fly tonight for the first time since I got back from Emporia.
I did some high speed taxi tests first, then into the air. You'll see.
Back around for a landing. Taxi back to TO again. Flew down to my
normal airport. It is closed for some construction. Then flew back
and landed. Both good landings. I may make DEH my home airport. The
manager and FBO would like me to stay. Haven't decided.
I have endured the annual from hell this year.
The main gear attach bolt was broken in two. Replaced it, decided to
replace the other. Bolt too short. Ordered two longer bolts. Too
short. Ordered an AN76, finally long enough for the right side. Left
side, an AN74 worked.
Timing was out. Took off engine for the fifth time since Christmas.
The internal parts of the mags were loose. Got some new parts to fix
them up. Got the engine on the same day I took it off. Thirteen hours
later. Started it up after the oil change. No oil pressure. Took off
the filter and back filled the pump. OP came back after a while. I am
sure there is no damage as I only ran it for a few seconds each time.
I worked on the baffle seal and inner cyl baffling to try to get the
engine to run cooler.
The jury is still out on that one. The temps are within range, but I
would like to see them cooler.
The ground handling was improved. I think the bolt had been broken
for a while. It was not an AN bolt.
A grade 8 with cut threads, and the grip length was all messed up.
The bolt broke where the threads ended. Go figure! My bad though, as
I did not check them. Just trusted the previous builder.
Lessons learned:
Don't trust anything a previous builder has in place, check it out!
Use Sam's condition inspection checklist. Makes overlooking something
less likely.
Be through, it's your ASS.

Glad to be back in the air!!!

Kevin Boddicker
Tri Q 200 N7868B 76.5 hours
Luana, IA.


Flight report

Kevin Boddicker <trumanst@...>
 

I got to fly tonight for the first time since I got back from Emporia.
I did some high speed taxi tests first, then into the air. You'll see.
Back around for a landing. Taxi back to TO again. Flew down to my
normal airport. It is closed for some construction. Then flew back
and landed. Both good landings. I may make DEH my home airport. The
manager and FBO would like me to stay. Haven't decided.
I have endured the annual from hell this year.
The main gear attach bolt was broken in two. Replaced it, decided to
replace the other. Bolt too short. Ordered two longer bolts. Too
short. Ordered an AN76, finally long enough for the right side. Left
side, an AN74 worked.
Timing was out. Took off engine for the fifth time since Christmas.
The internal parts of the mags were loose. Got some new parts to fix
them up. Got the engine on the same day I took it off. Thirteen hours
later. Started it up after the oil change. No oil pressure. Took off
the filter and back filled the pump. OP came back after a while. I am
sure there is no damage as I only ran it for a few seconds each time.
I worked on the baffle seal and inner cyl baffling to try to get the
engine to run cooler.
The jury is still out on that one. The temps are within range, but I
would like to see them cooler.
The ground handling was improved. I think the bolt had been broken
for a while. It was not an AN bolt.
A grade 8 with cut threads, and the grip length was all messed up.
The bolt broke where the threads ended. Go figure! My bad though, as
I did not check them. Just trusted the previous builder.
Lessons learned:
Don't trust anything a previous builder has in place, check it out!
Use Sam's condition inspection checklist. Makes overlooking something
less likely.
Be through, it's your ASS.

Glad to be back in the air!!!

Kevin Boddicker
Tri Q 200 N7868B 76.5 hours
Luana, IA.


O-200 performance

Sam Hoskins
 

FYI-

I ran in a little race this weekend, the Memphis
100<http://sportairrace.org/id153.html>.
Took first place in the Sprint class - took second and third, for that
matter. The Sprint class is for aircraft with engines of 240 cu in. or
less.

It was fun, a triangular course with sharp points, 108 nm. Headwind on the
first two legs gave me a ground speed around 172 kts. At one point on the
tailwind leg I was showing 200 kts. in straight and level. I ran the engine
wide open and was showing 3,050 RPM most of the time. Craig Catto prop.

Final speed was 206.25 mph.

The Sport Air Racing League <http://sportairrace.org/> was formed this year
to promote local air racing. Check it out - anyone can do it and they are a
lot of fun and you meet a lot of neat people. The only qualification is you
have to be willing to participate. But be careful, if you get the bug, you
may not be able to shake it.

Regards,

Sam Hoskins
Race 22


Re: Brake Issue??

LJFrench <LJFrench@...>
 

My thanks as well to this good discussion. I was not aware of Mil-H-83282. I have always been using the 5606, but after this discussion am interested in switching. A gallon would last me a life time though - considering I have probably only used a couple of cups of this stuff to date.

L. French

----- Original Message -----
From: "Larry Hamm" <Patlar@...>
To: <Q-LIST@...>; <jon@...>
Sent: Monday, October 29, 2007 1:15 AM
Subject: Re: [Q-LIST] Brake Issue??


Jon,

Here's a bit more feedback. Maybe it will help!

This was posted on the Biplane Hangar Mailing list recently:

Bret - Biplane Hangar http://www.gf24.de/biplane/

Had a brake fire on an RV-8A last weekend. Tidy combination of
operator error and design issues, much of which is specific to the 8A
and/or castering nosewheel, steer-with-the-brakes airplanes in general.
However, research did turn up a few items perhaps everyone should know.

The fire started after an overheated caliper leaked fluid on a hot
disk. The fluid flashed and lit the resin in the fiberglass wheel pant,
as well as the tire sidewall. The brake worked fine, with only slightly
higher pedal pressure required even when on fire.
I've posted a photo to the vault (yep, a bystander had a digital
camera). In the photo, I'm holding pedal pressure while shutting down
for the fire crew. Note the fire on the ground under the pant, believed
to be fluid and dripping resin. I don't recall any additional pedal
travel.

When something like this happens I get curious. Why did the seal
leak at some temperature well below a failure temperature for the rest
of the brake? And why did the fluid catch fire?

Fast forward: It turns out the Cleveland piston seal for the
little 30-9 caliper is an ordinary MS28775-218 nitrile o-ring.
Nitrile's temperature rating is - 65F to +275 F. We found the seal to
be brittle and flaking when we dismantled the caliper. A caliper seal
with a 275 F temp limit is below automotive standards, but that's
another story.

As for fluid, Cleveland's tech manual specifies either Mil-H-5606
or Mil-H-83282 as acceptable. Both are listed in AC-43 and the A&P
texts. Turns out that Mil-H-83282 was created because the military was
tired of setting it's airplanes on fire. Mil-H-5606 is the standard red
hydraulic fluid sold by Spruce, Wicks, Chief, etc. It is a petroleum
base, and turns out to have a very low flash point. The Mil-H-83282 is
also red, and compatible with 5606 fluid as well as seals created for
5606. However, it is a synthetic, with much higher flash and burn
points, and is self-extinguishing when removed from the
ignition source.

You can download complete specs for Aeroshell Fluid 41
(Mil-H-5606) and Aeroshell Fluid 31 (Mil-H-83282) at:

http://193.113.209.166/aeroshell/aeroshellhydraulicfluids.pdf

Note the flash points of the two fluids. Aeroshell 41 is 104 C,
which is only 219 F. Aeroshell 31 is 237 C, or 458 F.

A flash point of 219 F means that when a Cleveland caliper seal
fails at something above 275, the fluid is already hot enough to light
when it hits a hot disk and vaporizes inside the pant. Makes for an
interesting combination.

Live and learn. I always assumed standard "mil-spec red brake
fluid" was something special, and I doubt I was alone in this
assumption. It's not.
It's just another one of those "always done it that way" things
prevalent with light airplanes. Note that the Shell literature declines
to even refer to it as brake fluid.

Spruce, etc, doesn't sell Mil-H-83282 fluid, but they should. I've
already ordered a gallon of Fluid 31 from the local Shell distributor.
Since the old and new fluids are compatible, switching is as easy as
draining the old, flush with new, refill, and bleed.

Jon-you don't seem to be the kind of guy that does things "just because
they've always been done that way".

Most Sincerely,
Larry Hamm


Jon Finley wrote:
Wow - lots of feedback! Thanks everyone.

I spent the day completely disassembling and cleaning my system. I then put
everything back together with aviation hydraulic fluid (MIL-H-5606). If
problems persist, I'll do the whole rebuild kit/new seals thing.

FYI: I reported that the DOT 3 that I used was red. I was wrong, I checked
today and it is clear.

Jon

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