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Re: Crain Visit

Bruce Crain
 

Jon and Pam,
Thanks for a great time! You 2 are just the best! It was fun seeing your airpark and home and having breakfast at the airport. Flying 2 ship with you through the valley and out the pass was priceless! Wish we would have remembered the camera. We got a video of you with our camera but it is not very good quality at all. The pull up and roll out was way cool!

After leaving Los Lunas we climbed to 9500'msl. I pull the rpm back to 2150 with the MT prop and left the power full at 22"manifold pressure. We had a great tail wind and cruised at around 185 to 195 statute mph. When I landed and took on fuel we had used 11.2 gals. the distance was 294+ miles (we straifed my brother in laws house several times). 1 hr 45 minutes.
All of those numbers worked out to
26.25 mpg
5.09 gals/hr
That's the best I've ever seen with the TriQ!
Thanks for taking my picture! I feel so pretty!
Joanne says she had a wonderful time!
Thanks so much!

Bruce and Joanne Crain





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Re: Newbie

RICHARD GLIMES
 

Try Cornerstone ministries"www.donateyourplane.com" They are often a gold mine of uncompleted projects. They have a Q-2 Kit for sale now that looks good,plus a lot of other interesting things.        Good Hunting,Lansair

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Subject: [Q-LIST] Newbie
To: Q-LIST@...
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I have looked around online in the usual places for an unfinished kit but can't find one. Does anyone have any ideas?




























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Re: Newbie

Steve <sham@...>
 

Give me a call at 317 538 9186. I might be able to help.


Steve

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I have looked around online in the usual places for an unfinished kit but can't find one. Does anyone have any ideas?


Re: Newbie

kcarder32
 

Thanks for the information. I sent them a message.

Kent

--- In Q-LIST@..., Joseph M Snow <1flashq@...> wrote:

Contact Connie Lutha:  Azteclady@...  Her son has one for sale.
 
Joseph Snow

--- On Sat, 4/18/09, kcarder32 <kcarder32@...> wrote:


From: kcarder32 <kcarder32@...>
Subject: [Q-LIST] Newbie
To: Q-LIST@...
Date: Saturday, April 18, 2009, 7:19 PM








I have looked around online in the usual places for an unfinished kit but can't find one. Does anyone have any ideas?


















Re: paint color

uncleducati <cameron@...>
 

Thanks for all the technical answers, I was primarily asking a technical question, or several.
Thanks,
Cameron

--- In Q-LIST@..., "Robert Bounds" <rebounds@...> wrote:
Enough! Don't paint your airplane anything but white.


Re: Newbie

Joseph M Snow <1flashq@...>
 

Contact Connie Lutha:  Azteclady@...  Her son has one for sale.
 
Joseph Snow

--- On Sat, 4/18/09, kcarder32 <kcarder32@...> wrote:


From: kcarder32 <kcarder32@...>
Subject: [Q-LIST] Newbie
To: Q-LIST@...
Date: Saturday, April 18, 2009, 7:19 PM








I have looked around online in the usual places for an unfinished kit but can't find one. Does anyone have any ideas?
















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Newbie

kcarder32
 

I have looked around online in the usual places for an unfinished kit but can't find one. Does anyone have any ideas?


Re: paint color

Larry Severson
 

Bluntly, you need to learn a lot more about this process before you
continue posting.
This is true, but not the whole story. Every epoxy has a different Tg (breakdown temperature). The cure temp does not dictate the final Tg, in fact, it increases over time (about 2 weeks) to about 20 degrees higher. One of the things recommended is to post cure the item after several days at a higher temp. In the case of Aeropoxy, with proper post curing, the Tg goes up to 210 degrees F, which happens to be above the safe level for the foam. To achieve the 210 degree Tg, it is necessary to raise the temp of the part above 160 degrees for several hours.

Even if you don't post cure, the Tg will increase over time as it is exposed to summer temps. Unfortunately, if the skin temp exceeds the current Tg, damage (big) can occur unless the part is fully supported in the proper shape. [The fully supported feature is what allows the use of temperature to reform a distorted part to its proper shape.] This is highly possible in the Southwest US. Thus, the call for white or another light color, such as yellow or cream, is indicated.


Larry Severson
Fountain Valley, CA 92708
(714) 968-9852
larry2@...


Crain Visit

Jon Finley <jon@...>
 

Hi all,



Bruce and Joanne Crain stopped by our place yesterday on their way home
(Enid, OK) from Phoenix. I escorted them out of town this morning and took
a few photos. They are posted here (watch for line wrap):




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You can click on these photos for a bigger version.



Thanks for the visit guys - great to see you both again!



Jon Finley

N314JF - Q2 - Subaru EJ-22

http://www.finleyweb.net/Q2Subaru.aspx


Re: paint color

Mike Perry
 

Bluntly, you need to learn a lot more about this process before you continue posting. The moldless composite construction method developed by Rutan has limitations and one is color. Paint it white or a very light color.

A dark painted wing placed in the sun will change shape; that is a known method of changing a warped surface.

Mike Perry

uncleducati wrote:



What is the structural difference between our wings and the factory Lancair, which is red? The way I understand it they would both experience roughly the same structural forces, possibly higher on the Lancair due to the increased weight and speed. I looked at the temperature graph in the Q2 manual, and if it's close to linear, the ambient temperature where peak surface temperature would possibly begin to deform the wing with red paint would be ~130 degrees F with still air and direct sunlight with no cover, are my calculations correct?

--- In Q-LIST@... <mailto:Q-LIST%40yahoogroups.com>, Sam Hoskins <sam.hoskins@...> wrote:
The objective reference is Burt Rutan.

"How can you tell if a wing has received sun-related structural damage?"
Good question - you can't, at least until it's too late.

Stick with the plan, man.

Sam Hoskins
Q-200


Linamar LX700

Roger Gerrard
 

Is the Linamar LX700 engine equivalent to the RAF original Onan engine for the Q1? I have uploaded the spec sheet for the LX700 to the files section.

Is anyone willing to post the instructions that came with the engine package for the Q1?

Thanks, Roger


Re: paint color

Robert Bounds
 

Enough! Don't paint your airplane anything but white. The Lancair wing is far different from ours. They are made up of parts that are vacuum bagged and autoclaved at an elevated temperature using prepreg glass. Rutan designed the moldless method using a common, economical foam and room temperature cure epoxy specifically for the homebuilder. One of the compromises is that our epoxy has a much lower TG and our foam has a lower melting point. I like red airplanes but I I chose to build a Rutan airplane and they are white. Period. (Sorry for the rant)
Bounds

----- Original Message -----
From: uncleducati
To: Q-LIST@...
Sent: Friday, April 17, 2009 10:51 PM
Subject: [Q-LIST] Re: paint color





What is the structural difference between our wings and the factory Lancair, which is red? The way I understand it they would both experience roughly the same structural forces, possibly higher on the Lancair due to the increased weight and speed. I looked at the temperature graph in the Q2 manual, and if it's close to linear, the ambient temperature where peak surface temperature would possibly begin to deform the wing with red paint would be ~130 degrees F with still air and direct sunlight with no cover, are my calculations correct?

--- In Q-LIST@..., Sam Hoskins <sam.hoskins@...> wrote:
> The objective reference is Burt Rutan.
>
> "How can you tell if a wing has received sun-related structural damage?"
> Good question - you can't, at least until it's too late.
>
> Stick with the plan, man.
>
> Sam Hoskins
> Q-200


Re: paint color

Doug Humble <hawkidoug@...>
 

I believe the Lancair wing is not a foam composite structure. It has ribs.

Doug "Hawkeye" Humble
A Sign Above www.asignabove.net
Omaha NE
N25974

----- Original Message -----
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To: Q-LIST@...
Sent: Friday, April 17, 2009 11:51 PM
Subject: [Q-LIST] Re: paint color





What is the structural difference between our wings and the factory Lancair, which is red? The way I understand it they would both experience roughly the same structural forces, possibly higher on the Lancair due to the increased weight and speed. I looked at the temperature graph in the Q2 manual, and if it's close to linear, the ambient temperature where peak surface temperature would possibly begin to deform the wing with red paint would be ~130 degrees F with still air and direct sunlight with no cover, are my calculations correct?

--- In Q-LIST@..., Sam Hoskins <sam.hoskins@...> wrote:
> The objective reference is Burt Rutan.
>
> "How can you tell if a wing has received sun-related structural damage?"
> Good question - you can't, at least until it's too late.
>
> Stick with the plan, man.
>
> Sam Hoskins
> Q-200


Re: USA visit

kip laurie <n111kx@...>
 

Believe me, I make everyone that I can.
Like I said, it's my bad luck...:)


Kip
Kolb Firestar II, N111KX
Waiex 0082, N111YX
Quickie 1, N111QX
Atlanta

--- On Fri, 4/17/09, Mike Dwyer <mdwyer@...> wrote:


From: Mike Dwyer <mdwyer@...>
Subject: Re: [Q-LIST] USA visit
To: Q-LIST@...
Date: Friday, April 17, 2009, 8:44 PM








Kip, your just not showing up at the flyins. Thomassville GA, last
year. Very short trip for you. Check out the videos.
http://www.vimeo. com/user418576/ videos
Mike Q200 N3QP

kip laurie wrote:
Good luck, Mark. I have lived in the USA my entire life, like to hang out at airports, fly to small and large airports for a living and I have never seen a Q1 fly. In fact I have seen more in museums than airworthy ones. Maybe it's just my luck...


Kip
Kolb Firestar II, N111KX
Waiex 0082, N111YX
Quickie 1, N111QX
Atlanta

--- On Wed, 4/15/09, Mark Wilson <floss@.... net.au> wrote:


From: Mark Wilson <floss@.... net.au>
Subject: [Q-LIST] USA visit
To: "Q list" <Q-LIST@yahoogroups. com>
Date: Wednesday, April 15, 2009, 1:19 PM








Hi Guys,
since starting my Q1 project I have only seen one completed Q1, flying. There are not many Q1s in Australia

Late july I am visiting USA to see family living in Idaho Falls Idaho. .Is there anyone who lives near there who has a Q1 that would be interested in showing me theirs ,so I can get some more ideas for mine.
Thanks

Mark Wilson
Q1 project
floss@.... net.au







Re: paint color

uncleducati <cameron@...>
 

What is the structural difference between our wings and the factory Lancair, which is red? The way I understand it they would both experience roughly the same structural forces, possibly higher on the Lancair due to the increased weight and speed. I looked at the temperature graph in the Q2 manual, and if it's close to linear, the ambient temperature where peak surface temperature would possibly begin to deform the wing with red paint would be ~130 degrees F with still air and direct sunlight with no cover, are my calculations correct?

--- In Q-LIST@..., Sam Hoskins <sam.hoskins@...> wrote:
The objective reference is Burt Rutan.

"How can you tell if a wing has received sun-related structural damage?"
Good question - you can't, at least until it's too late.

Stick with the plan, man.

Sam Hoskins
Q-200


Re: USA visit

Mike Dwyer <mdwyer@...>
 

Kip, your just not showing up at the flyins. Thomassville GA, last year. Very short trip for you. Check out the videos.
http://www.vimeo.com/user418576/videos
Mike Q200 N3QP


kip laurie wrote:

Good luck, Mark. I have lived in the USA my entire life, like to hang out at airports, fly to small and large airports for a living and I have never seen a Q1 fly. In fact I have seen more in museums than airworthy ones. Maybe it's just my luck...


Kip
Kolb Firestar II, N111KX
Waiex 0082, N111YX
Quickie 1, N111QX
Atlanta

--- On Wed, 4/15/09, Mark Wilson <floss@...> wrote:


From: Mark Wilson <floss@...>
Subject: [Q-LIST] USA visit
To: "Q list" <Q-LIST@...>
Date: Wednesday, April 15, 2009, 1:19 PM








Hi Guys,
since starting my Q1 project I have only seen one completed Q1, flying. There are not many Q1s in Australia

Late july I am visiting USA to see family living in Idaho Falls Idaho. .Is there anyone who lives near there who has a Q1 that would be interested in showing me theirs ,so I can get some more ideas for mine.
Thanks

Mark Wilson
Q1 project
floss@.... net.au







Re: paint color

Mike Dwyer <mdwyer@...>
 

The fiberglass isn't the thermal weak point, the foam under the glass is.
White is the only color for me.
Mike Q200 N3QP


uncleducati wrote:

I'm using EZ-Poxy, is it as simple as calculating the average cure temp for this type of expoxy and not exceeding that? If the wing raises above the critical temp and then cools, will I have any structural weakness, or is it because the structure deforms and is no longer aerodynamic? I plan on using a wing cover with white fabric when parked on a hot ramp.

On Fri, 2009-04-17 at 18:26 -0500, bob wrote:

The answer is not the foam and glass but the resin system used.
Epoxy resin hardens at the highest temperature it has ever seen
and if it goes beyond that temperature it goes back into a plastic
state. Once cooled below that it now has that higher 'set' temp.
If your canard sees it's highest temperature on the ramp you could
well end up with something from wrinkled top skin to a gull wing.
I believe many Q fliers also support the fuselage while hangered
to take long term weight off of the canard and eliminate the
possibility of canard sag/gear geometry change.


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Re: paint color

Rick Hole <r.hole@...>
 

Sam knows. Please take our word for it.

Rick



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Sam Hoskins
Sent: Friday, April 17, 2009 9:41 PM
To: Q-LIST@...
Subject: Re: [Q-LIST] paint color








Cameron, just stick with white. IMHO "wing covers" is an impractical idea.
Follow the advice of 99.9% of the composite community.

The objective reference is Burt Rutan.

"How can you tell if a wing has received sun-related structural damage?"
Good question - you can't, at least until it's too late.

Stick with the plan, man.

Sam Hoskins
Q-200

On Fri, Apr 17, 2009 at 1:33 AM, Cameron Camp <cameron@campworkz.
<mailto:cameron%40campworkz.com> com> wrote:



I've heard you shouldn't paint your wings anything but white, does
anyone have an objective reference for this? I see a lot of white
planes, but I see also a Lancair factory demonstrator that was lipstick
red and was foam and glass construction. My plane will be hangared and
in a cool climate 95% of the time. How can you tell if a wing has
received sun-related structural damage?

Cameron
N87TQ



Re: paint color

Sam Hoskins
 

Cameron, just stick with white. IMHO "wing covers" is an impractical idea.
Follow the advice of 99.9% of the composite community.

The objective reference is Burt Rutan.

"How can you tell if a wing has received sun-related structural damage?"
Good question - you can't, at least until it's too late.

Stick with the plan, man.

Sam Hoskins
Q-200

On Fri, Apr 17, 2009 at 1:33 AM, Cameron Camp <cameron@...> wrote:



I've heard you shouldn't paint your wings anything but white, does
anyone have an objective reference for this? I see a lot of white
planes, but I see also a Lancair factory demonstrator that was lipstick
red and was foam and glass construction. My plane will be hangared and
in a cool climate 95% of the time. How can you tell if a wing has
received sun-related structural damage?

Cameron
N87TQ



Re: paint color

uncleducati <cameron@...>
 

I'm using EZ-Poxy, is it as simple as calculating the average cure temp for this type of expoxy and not exceeding that? If the wing raises above the critical temp and then cools, will I have any structural weakness, or is it because the structure deforms and is no longer aerodynamic? I plan on using a wing cover with white fabric when parked on a hot ramp.

On Fri, 2009-04-17 at 18:26 -0500, bob wrote:
The answer is not the foam and glass but the resin system used.
Epoxy resin hardens at the highest temperature it has ever seen
and if it goes beyond that temperature it goes back into a plastic
state. Once cooled below that it now has that higher 'set' temp.
If your canard sees it's highest temperature on the ramp you could
well end up with something from wrinkled top skin to a gull wing.
I believe many Q fliers also support the fuselage while hangered
to take long term weight off of the canard and eliminate the
possibility of canard sag/gear geometry change.