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Re: Another question on disolving foam...

Keith <keith.benner@...>
 

Paul,

I do have the LS1 Canard. I found some photos of a spar repair made by Jim Patillo that gave me a good idea of how the canard is built. I now understand the difference in sound due to the fairing. I'm not sure how I can test the bottom rear portion of the canard itself without cutting into the fairing. Any ideas?

When I said the main tank butted up against the canard I only meant that they are so close together that a leaky main tank would almost certainly migrate towards the canard. They are only seperated by a small space. Poor choice of words I suppose...

Thanks,
Keith
www.tri-q.webs.com

--- In Q-LIST@..., "Paul Buckley" <paulbuckley@...> wrote:

I haven't looked at your photographs yet, but.....

The back of an GU canard will be square...i.e. a straight vertical face...shearweb.....from top to bottom.

The back of the LS1 is a semi-circle, top to bottom. This is the back half of the carbon fibre spar.

I do not understand how the main tank can butt up to the rear of the canard.
The space between the rear of the canard and the main tank is taken up for the elevator torque tubes and bearings.
Or are you actually talking about the header tank projecting down to meet the top of the canard?

With regard to the canard tap test underneath, there will be a fairing covering the actual canard surface.

Paul Buckley
Cheshire
England

----- Original Message -----
From: Keith
To: Q-LIST@...
Sent: Saturday, September 26, 2009 10:14 PM
Subject: [Q-LIST] Another question on disolving foam...


As I have mentioned in a previous post, I purchased a Tri-Q prject knowing it had a leaking main tank. What I didn't know at the time (but am now well aware of) is that leaking fuel means disolving foam. This wouldn't be such a huge deal if the main tank didn't but up to the canard.

I have spent the last month and a half alternating between sanding the plane and removing the old fuel tank. I finally have it removed and smoothed out, so I decided to see what damage has been done.

I posted some photos on my webpage, www.tri-q.webs.com, in the fuel tank section. The back of my canard looks different than what is in the plans, presumably because it is an LS1 canard instead of the GU canard. Because of this I'm not exactly sure what the damaged area was supposed to look like (refer to the pics on my webpage). I'm also not sure the best way to evaluate the damage on my canard, if any. When doing tap tests under the plane there is an area that sounds different than the rest, but I have no idea what is normal vs what isn't. The area I am refering to is at the rear 4-6" of the canard located within the width of the fuselage. This area has a different sound than the rest.

I know this has been discussed before, so I apologize for asking anything that has already been discussed. I'm hoping by asking I can get some insight into my particular situation as well as finding out which of the previously discussed methods have worked, and which ones haven't.

Here are my questions:

1. Is it as bad as it looks?

2. What should this area look like? In the plans I thought the back of the canard just had bid taped down the back and along the bottom of the fuselage? This looks like there was some red foam back there.

3. How do I determine if the canard has been damaged? Is there any chance the canard would not have absorbed the fuel?

4. How do I fix this? (A loaded question I know...)

Thanks,
Keith Benner
Tri-Q project
www.tri-q.webs.com






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Re: Another question on disolving foam...

Paul Buckley
 

I haven't looked at your photographs yet, but.....

The back of an GU canard will be square...i.e. a straight vertical face...shearweb.....from top to bottom.

The back of the LS1 is a semi-circle, top to bottom. This is the back half of the carbon fibre spar.

I do not understand how the main tank can butt up to the rear of the canard.
The space between the rear of the canard and the main tank is taken up for the elevator torque tubes and bearings.
Or are you actually talking about the header tank projecting down to meet the top of the canard?

With regard to the canard tap test underneath, there will be a fairing covering the actual canard surface.

Paul Buckley
Cheshire
England

----- Original Message -----
From: Keith
To: Q-LIST@...
Sent: Saturday, September 26, 2009 10:14 PM
Subject: [Q-LIST] Another question on disolving foam...


As I have mentioned in a previous post, I purchased a Tri-Q prject knowing it had a leaking main tank. What I didn't know at the time (but am now well aware of) is that leaking fuel means disolving foam. This wouldn't be such a huge deal if the main tank didn't but up to the canard.

I have spent the last month and a half alternating between sanding the plane and removing the old fuel tank. I finally have it removed and smoothed out, so I decided to see what damage has been done.

I posted some photos on my webpage, www.tri-q.webs.com, in the fuel tank section. The back of my canard looks different than what is in the plans, presumably because it is an LS1 canard instead of the GU canard. Because of this I'm not exactly sure what the damaged area was supposed to look like (refer to the pics on my webpage). I'm also not sure the best way to evaluate the damage on my canard, if any. When doing tap tests under the plane there is an area that sounds different than the rest, but I have no idea what is normal vs what isn't. The area I am refering to is at the rear 4-6" of the canard located within the width of the fuselage. This area has a different sound than the rest.

I know this has been discussed before, so I apologize for asking anything that has already been discussed. I'm hoping by asking I can get some insight into my particular situation as well as finding out which of the previously discussed methods have worked, and which ones haven't.

Here are my questions:

1. Is it as bad as it looks?

2. What should this area look like? In the plans I thought the back of the canard just had bid taped down the back and along the bottom of the fuselage? This looks like there was some red foam back there.

3. How do I determine if the canard has been damaged? Is there any chance the canard would not have absorbed the fuel?

4. How do I fix this? (A loaded question I know...)

Thanks,
Keith Benner
Tri-Q project
www.tri-q.webs.com






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Re: Tablet PC

Rick <r.hole@...>
 

Mike, this appears to have a hard drive. Has that given you any issues? I've seen hard drive devices that go unreliable anytime in the air and particularly above 10,000'. Should we hold out for solid state drives?
Rick


Re: Tablet PC

f.worrell@...
 

Thanks Mike,

That is a GREAT buy! How easy is it to power from 12 VDC? My panel is not too tall how small is it?

Fred

----- Original Message -----
From: "Mike Dwyer" <mdwyer@...>
To: Q-LIST@...
Sent: Saturday, September 26, 2009 3:37:46 PM GMT -06:00 US/Canada Central
Subject: [Q-LIST] Tablet PC






Be cautious of Sunlight readability... Most are terrible at best.
That's why I went with the Fujitsu ST4121, it has a reflective LCD
screen and looks best in Sunlight! $179 on eBay, but contact me before
you bid so I can tell you what to look for.
Mike Q200 N3QP

f.worrell@... wrote:
I don't have it in my airplane yet. I am leaning towards a small tablet PC.

Fred

----- Original Message -----
From: "Darrell Daniels" < log@... >
To: Q-LIST@...
Sent: Saturday, September 26, 2009 12:41:54 PM GMT -06:00 US/Canada Central
Subject: Re: [Q-LIST] Re: Electrical Questions






what kind of screen are you using this on , a small laptop or what. Darrell
----- Original Message -----
From: < f.worrell@... >
To: < Q-LIST@... >
Sent: Saturday, September 26, 2009 8:20 AM
Subject: Re: [Q-LIST] Re: Electrical Questions

Doug,

APIC is moving map software....and more. The moving map portion (full
version) shows the terrain, cities, lakes etc. The terrain changes color
based on the altitude of the aircraft. If you see a patch of red ahead of
you, then you are in danger of hitting the ground (I think terrain changes
to red if it is within 300 feet of current altitude). It warns you if there
is a tower in your flight path that you are endanger of hitting. It gets
it's altitude data from the GPS . Not good enough to replace your altimeter,
but great for warnings (it even has a VSI based on the GPS altitude input).
This is in addition to all the normal GPS stuff.

It has electronic checklists (you can change them all you want).

It has 8 different screens.

You can program in all your V speeds and set altitude, heading, and speed
bugs.

It has a simulator to allow you to "play" with the features on your laptop.
You can test drive it before you buy. In fact if you don't want the terrain
feature (but you will...) you can use it for free. In fact you can download
a really old version of the terrain data for free and see now neat that
feature is.

They offer a separate program (Easy Taxi) that will pull up standard airport
diagrams (the exact ones you pull up on the EAA website) and it will show
you where your aircraft is on the diagram. The Easy Taxi software is
completely free.

I bought a UPS GPS on Ebay for $10 and it works just fine with it.

Check it out.

Fred

----- Original Message -----
From: "Doug Humble" < hawkidoug @cox.net>
To: Q-LIST@ yahoogroups .com
Sent: Friday, September 25, 2009 8:08:00 PM GMT -06:00 US/Canada Central
Subject: Re: [Q-LIST] Re: Electrical Questions

OK, what is APIC ???

Doug " Hawkeye " Humble
A Sign Above www . asignabove .net
Omaha NE
N25974
----- Original Message -----
From: f. worrell @comcast.net
To: Q-LIST@ yahoogroups .com
Sent: Friday, September 25, 2009 5:41 PM
Subject: Re: [Q-LIST] Re: Electrical Questions

I have downloaded APIC and have played with it on my laptop. Very
impressive. They let you download the map version for free. The expensive
version (with the terrain data) is roughly $100. Well worth it. Many really
great features.

They also have a FREE Easy Taxi program that will show you where you are on
the airport runways. All the towered airports are in there.

Mike is really on to something.

Fred

----- Original Message -----
From: "Mike Dwyer " < mdwyer @ tampabay . rr .com >
To: Q-LIST@ yahoogroups .com
Sent: Friday, September 25, 2009 6:24:39 PM GMT -06:00 US/Canada Central
Subject: Re: [Q-LIST] Re: Electrical Questions

My APIC tablet has been working great. I get where I'm going. pop it
off the instrument panel and use it to access the internet then plug in
a USB gps and use Microsoft Streets to navigate the car to where ever
I'm going. It's awesome. The 10.3" screen is fine, don't think I'd be
happy with smaller.
Mike

Jeff M. wrote:

Thanks for your answers so far;

Mike,
My thinking with the Collins VOR was to upgrade it to an ILS indicator
with a glidesope receiver in the future, and also use a setup similar to
yours that uses the APIC . If I can't find space on the panel the VOR
will be the first thing to go. I'm not sure if I'll get a tablet PC or
a pocket PC. I've used my Compaq laptop as a ground GPS before and
almost every time I'm on a decent road trip something fails, I could
imagine that being exponentially more frustrating in the air. Have you
had any issues with yours? Any suggestions on screen size? Does APIC
have the highway in the sky feature? I thought that was pretty cool on
BMA and Dynon , but BMA is no longer....


Jon,
The previous owner did not complete phase 1 on the C-85. I presume I'll
have to get it amended to include my area as the flight test area
instead, in addition to the Day VFR .

Can it ever be a bad thing to use shielded wire when not necessary? Of
course it weighs and costs more but. other than that.


Can the ELT share antennas with the Com or would they be best alone?



Thanks again,
Jeff



-----Original Message-----
From: Q-LIST@ yahoogroups .com [ mailto : Q-LIST@ yahoogroups .com ] On
Behalf
Of jonfinley2001
Sent: Friday, September 25, 2009 3:52 PM
To: Q-LIST@ yahoogroups .com
Subject: [Q-LIST] Re: Electrical Questions


Hi Jeff,

Before making on OpLims comments I should have asked:

How much time is on the airframe and is it in Phase 2 operation (out of
the test period)?

Jon

--- In Q-LIST@ yahoogroups . < mailto :Q-LIST%40yahoogroups.com> com,
"Jeff
M." < jeffm @...> wrote:


Hi Everyone,

I've been lurking for a little while, you guys have a lot of great
information here. I bought an already flying but disassembled Q-200
(C-85) off of Barnstormers earlier this year, I was unhappy with the
uneven finish so I've spent the last few months doing all the sanding,
filling, priming, and finally painting. So now I'm moving onto the

next


step, electrical stuff. The plane had a very basic VFR dash on it, I
plan on upgrading the antiquated instruments and adding Collins NAV /
COM/ VOR / XPDR . I've wired houses and cars but have no experience with
aviation. currently it has little to no wiring in it, the cockpit

wiring


that is there does not appear to be anything more than automotive
wiring. So all of that is coming out but my question is regarding wire
gauge and shielding. Should shielded wire be used everywhere, is it
just for heat/ abrasion or for RFI as well? What gauge are most of the
avionics, 20ga or 18ga? Also I am unclear on the antennas, there is a
foil antenna where the main fuselage meets the tail (I presume this is
Com) and another in the left wing (which I presume is NAV ). Is there a
way to tell what they are? Will I have to add another antenna for the
XPDR ?

One other thing on my mind, on the airworthiness certificate it states
Day VFR only. does it just have to be re-inspected to be Day VFR + as
equipped. (then equipped correctly it can be used in Night VFR as

well,


correct?)


Thanks,
Jeff McComb
N3245B


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Another question on disolving foam...

Keith <keith.benner@...>
 

As I have mentioned in a previous post, I purchased a Tri-Q prject knowing it had a leaking main tank. What I didn't know at the time (but am now well aware of) is that leaking fuel means disolving foam. This wouldn't be such a huge deal if the main tank didn't but up to the canard.

I have spent the last month and a half alternating between sanding the plane and removing the old fuel tank. I finally have it removed and smoothed out, so I decided to see what damage has been done.

I posted some photos on my webpage, www.tri-q.webs.com, in the fuel tank section. The back of my canard looks different than what is in the plans, presumably because it is an LS1 canard instead of the GU canard. Because of this I'm not exactly sure what the damaged area was supposed to look like (refer to the pics on my webpage). I'm also not sure the best way to evaluate the damage on my canard, if any. When doing tap tests under the plane there is an area that sounds different than the rest, but I have no idea what is normal vs what isn't. The area I am refering to is at the rear 4-6" of the canard located within the width of the fuselage. This area has a different sound than the rest.

I know this has been discussed before, so I apologize for asking anything that has already been discussed. I'm hoping by asking I can get some insight into my particular situation as well as finding out which of the previously discussed methods have worked, and which ones haven't.

Here are my questions:

1. Is it as bad as it looks?

2. What should this area look like? In the plans I thought the back of the canard just had bid taped down the back and along the bottom of the fuselage? This looks like there was some red foam back there.

3. How do I determine if the canard has been damaged? Is there any chance the canard would not have absorbed the fuel?

4. How do I fix this? (A loaded question I know...)

Thanks,
Keith Benner
Tri-Q project
www.tri-q.webs.com


Tablet PC

Mike Dwyer <mdwyer@...>
 

Be cautious of Sunlight readability... Most are terrible at best.
That's why I went with the Fujitsu ST4121, it has a reflective LCD screen and looks best in Sunlight! $179 on eBay, but contact me before you bid so I can tell you what to look for.
Mike Q200 N3QP




f.worrell@... wrote:

I don't have it in my airplane yet. I am leaning towards a small tablet PC.
Fred
----- Original Message -----
From: "Darrell Daniels" <log@...> To: Q-LIST@... Sent: Saturday, September 26, 2009 12:41:54 PM GMT -06:00 US/Canada Central Subject: Re: [Q-LIST] Re: Electrical Questions





what kind of screen are you using this on , a small laptop or what. Darrell ----- Original Message -----
From: < f.worrell@... > To: < Q-LIST@... > Sent: Saturday, September 26, 2009 8:20 AM Subject: Re: [Q-LIST] Re: Electrical Questions
Doug,
APIC is moving map software....and more. The moving map portion (full version) shows the terrain, cities, lakes etc. The terrain changes color based on the altitude of the aircraft. If you see a patch of red ahead of you, then you are in danger of hitting the ground (I think terrain changes to red if it is within 300 feet of current altitude). It warns you if there is a tower in your flight path that you are endanger of hitting. It gets it's altitude data from the GPS . Not good enough to replace your altimeter, but great for warnings (it even has a VSI based on the GPS altitude input). This is in addition to all the normal GPS stuff.
It has electronic checklists (you can change them all you want).
It has 8 different screens.
You can program in all your V speeds and set altitude, heading, and speed bugs.
It has a simulator to allow you to "play" with the features on your laptop. You can test drive it before you buy. In fact if you don't want the terrain feature (but you will...) you can use it for free. In fact you can download a really old version of the terrain data for free and see now neat that feature is.
They offer a separate program (Easy Taxi) that will pull up standard airport diagrams (the exact ones you pull up on the EAA website) and it will show you where your aircraft is on the diagram. The Easy Taxi software is completely free.
I bought a UPS GPS on Ebay for $10 and it works just fine with it.
Check it out.
Fred
----- Original Message -----
From: "Doug Humble" < hawkidoug @cox.net> To: Q-LIST@ yahoogroups .com Sent: Friday, September 25, 2009 8:08:00 PM GMT -06:00 US/Canada Central Subject: Re: [Q-LIST] Re: Electrical Questions
OK, what is APIC ???
Doug " Hawkeye " Humble A Sign Above www . asignabove .net Omaha NE N25974 ----- Original Message -----
From: f. worrell @comcast.net To: Q-LIST@ yahoogroups .com Sent: Friday, September 25, 2009 5:41 PM Subject: Re: [Q-LIST] Re: Electrical Questions
I have downloaded APIC and have played with it on my laptop. Very impressive. They let you download the map version for free. The expensive version (with the terrain data) is roughly $100. Well worth it. Many really great features.
They also have a FREE Easy Taxi program that will show you where you are on the airport runways. All the towered airports are in there.
Mike is really on to something.
Fred
----- Original Message -----
From: "Mike Dwyer " < mdwyer @ tampabay . rr .com > To: Q-LIST@ yahoogroups .com Sent: Friday, September 25, 2009 6:24:39 PM GMT -06:00 US/Canada Central Subject: Re: [Q-LIST] Re: Electrical Questions
My APIC tablet has been working great. I get where I'm going. pop it off the instrument panel and use it to access the internet then plug in a USB gps and use Microsoft Streets to navigate the car to where ever I'm going. It's awesome. The 10.3" screen is fine, don't think I'd be happy with smaller. Mike
Jeff M. wrote:
Thanks for your answers so far;
Mike, My thinking with the Collins VOR was to upgrade it to an ILS indicator with a glidesope receiver in the future, and also use a setup similar to yours that uses the APIC . If I can't find space on the panel the VOR will be the first thing to go. I'm not sure if I'll get a tablet PC or a pocket PC. I've used my Compaq laptop as a ground GPS before and almost every time I'm on a decent road trip something fails, I could imagine that being exponentially more frustrating in the air. Have you had any issues with yours? Any suggestions on screen size? Does APIC have the highway in the sky feature? I thought that was pretty cool on BMA and Dynon , but BMA is no longer....

Jon, The previous owner did not complete phase 1 on the C-85. I presume I'll have to get it amended to include my area as the flight test area instead, in addition to the Day VFR .
Can it ever be a bad thing to use shielded wire when not necessary? Of course it weighs and costs more but. other than that.

Can the ELT share antennas with the Com or would they be best alone?


Thanks again, Jeff


-----Original Message-----
From: Q-LIST@ yahoogroups .com [ mailto : Q-LIST@ yahoogroups .com ] On Behalf Of jonfinley2001 Sent: Friday, September 25, 2009 3:52 PM To: Q-LIST@ yahoogroups .com Subject: [Q-LIST] Re: Electrical Questions

Hi Jeff,
Before making on OpLims comments I should have asked:
How much time is on the airframe and is it in Phase 2 operation (out of the test period)?
Jon
--- In Q-LIST@ yahoogroups . < mailto :Q-LIST%40yahoogroups.com> com, "Jeff M." < jeffm @...> wrote:

Hi Everyone,
I've been lurking for a little while, you guys have a lot of great information here. I bought an already flying but disassembled Q-200 (C-85) off of Barnstormers earlier this year, I was unhappy with the uneven finish so I've spent the last few months doing all the sanding, filling, priming, and finally painting. So now I'm moving onto the
next

step, electrical stuff. The plane had a very basic VFR dash on it, I plan on upgrading the antiquated instruments and adding Collins NAV / COM/ VOR / XPDR . I've wired houses and cars but have no experience with aviation. currently it has little to no wiring in it, the cockpit
wiring

that is there does not appear to be anything more than automotive wiring. So all of that is coming out but my question is regarding wire gauge and shielding. Should shielded wire be used everywhere, is it just for heat/ abrasion or for RFI as well? What gauge are most of the avionics, 20ga or 18ga? Also I am unclear on the antennas, there is a foil antenna where the main fuselage meets the tail (I presume this is Com) and another in the left wing (which I presume is NAV ). Is there a way to tell what they are? Will I have to add another antenna for the XPDR ?
One other thing on my mind, on the airworthiness certificate it states Day VFR only. does it just have to be re-inspected to be Day VFR + as equipped. (then equipped correctly it can be used in Night VFR as
well,

correct?)

Thanks, Jeff McComb N3245B






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Re: Electrical Questions

f.worrell@...
 

I don't have it in my airplane yet. I am leaning towards a small tablet PC.

Fred

----- Original Message -----
From: "Darrell Daniels" <log@...>
To: Q-LIST@...
Sent: Saturday, September 26, 2009 12:41:54 PM GMT -06:00 US/Canada Central
Subject: Re: [Q-LIST] Re: Electrical Questions






what kind of screen are you using this on , a small laptop or what. Darrell
----- Original Message -----
From: < f.worrell@... >
To: < Q-LIST@... >
Sent: Saturday, September 26, 2009 8:20 AM
Subject: Re: [Q-LIST] Re: Electrical Questions

Doug,

APIC is moving map software....and more. The moving map portion (full
version) shows the terrain, cities, lakes etc. The terrain changes color
based on the altitude of the aircraft. If you see a patch of red ahead of
you, then you are in danger of hitting the ground (I think terrain changes
to red if it is within 300 feet of current altitude). It warns you if there
is a tower in your flight path that you are endanger of hitting. It gets
it's altitude data from the GPS . Not good enough to replace your altimeter,
but great for warnings (it even has a VSI based on the GPS altitude input).
This is in addition to all the normal GPS stuff.

It has electronic checklists (you can change them all you want).

It has 8 different screens.

You can program in all your V speeds and set altitude, heading, and speed
bugs.

It has a simulator to allow you to "play" with the features on your laptop.
You can test drive it before you buy. In fact if you don't want the terrain
feature (but you will...) you can use it for free. In fact you can download
a really old version of the terrain data for free and see now neat that
feature is.

They offer a separate program (Easy Taxi) that will pull up standard airport
diagrams (the exact ones you pull up on the EAA website) and it will show
you where your aircraft is on the diagram. The Easy Taxi software is
completely free.

I bought a UPS GPS on Ebay for $10 and it works just fine with it.

Check it out.

Fred

----- Original Message -----
From: "Doug Humble" < hawkidoug @cox.net>
To: Q-LIST@ yahoogroups .com
Sent: Friday, September 25, 2009 8:08:00 PM GMT -06:00 US/Canada Central
Subject: Re: [Q-LIST] Re: Electrical Questions

OK, what is APIC ???

Doug " Hawkeye " Humble
A Sign Above www . asignabove .net
Omaha NE
N25974
----- Original Message -----
From: f. worrell @comcast.net
To: Q-LIST@ yahoogroups .com
Sent: Friday, September 25, 2009 5:41 PM
Subject: Re: [Q-LIST] Re: Electrical Questions

I have downloaded APIC and have played with it on my laptop. Very
impressive. They let you download the map version for free. The expensive
version (with the terrain data) is roughly $100. Well worth it. Many really
great features.

They also have a FREE Easy Taxi program that will show you where you are on
the airport runways. All the towered airports are in there.

Mike is really on to something.

Fred

----- Original Message -----
From: "Mike Dwyer " < mdwyer @ tampabay . rr .com >
To: Q-LIST@ yahoogroups .com
Sent: Friday, September 25, 2009 6:24:39 PM GMT -06:00 US/Canada Central
Subject: Re: [Q-LIST] Re: Electrical Questions

My APIC tablet has been working great. I get where I'm going. pop it
off the instrument panel and use it to access the internet then plug in
a USB gps and use Microsoft Streets to navigate the car to where ever
I'm going. It's awesome. The 10.3" screen is fine, don't think I'd be
happy with smaller.
Mike

Jeff M. wrote:
Thanks for your answers so far;

Mike,
My thinking with the Collins VOR was to upgrade it to an ILS indicator
with a glidesope receiver in the future, and also use a setup similar to
yours that uses the APIC . If I can't find space on the panel the VOR
will be the first thing to go. I'm not sure if I'll get a tablet PC or
a pocket PC. I've used my Compaq laptop as a ground GPS before and
almost every time I'm on a decent road trip something fails, I could
imagine that being exponentially more frustrating in the air. Have you
had any issues with yours? Any suggestions on screen size? Does APIC
have the highway in the sky feature? I thought that was pretty cool on
BMA and Dynon , but BMA is no longer....


Jon,
The previous owner did not complete phase 1 on the C-85. I presume I'll
have to get it amended to include my area as the flight test area
instead, in addition to the Day VFR .

Can it ever be a bad thing to use shielded wire when not necessary? Of
course it weighs and costs more but. other than that.


Can the ELT share antennas with the Com or would they be best alone?



Thanks again,
Jeff



-----Original Message-----
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Behalf
Of jonfinley2001
Sent: Friday, September 25, 2009 3:52 PM
To: Q-LIST@ yahoogroups .com
Subject: [Q-LIST] Re: Electrical Questions


Hi Jeff,

Before making on OpLims comments I should have asked:

How much time is on the airframe and is it in Phase 2 operation (out of
the test period)?

Jon

--- In Q-LIST@ yahoogroups . < mailto :Q-LIST%40yahoogroups.com> com,
"Jeff
M." < jeffm @...> wrote:

Hi Everyone,

I've been lurking for a little while, you guys have a lot of great
information here. I bought an already flying but disassembled Q-200
(C-85) off of Barnstormers earlier this year, I was unhappy with the
uneven finish so I've spent the last few months doing all the sanding,
filling, priming, and finally painting. So now I'm moving onto the
next

step, electrical stuff. The plane had a very basic VFR dash on it, I
plan on upgrading the antiquated instruments and adding Collins NAV /
COM/ VOR / XPDR . I've wired houses and cars but have no experience with
aviation. currently it has little to no wiring in it, the cockpit
wiring

that is there does not appear to be anything more than automotive
wiring. So all of that is coming out but my question is regarding wire
gauge and shielding. Should shielded wire be used everywhere, is it
just for heat/ abrasion or for RFI as well? What gauge are most of the
avionics, 20ga or 18ga? Also I am unclear on the antennas, there is a
foil antenna where the main fuselage meets the tail (I presume this is
Com) and another in the left wing (which I presume is NAV ). Is there a
way to tell what they are? Will I have to add another antenna for the
XPDR ?

One other thing on my mind, on the airworthiness certificate it states
Day VFR only. does it just have to be re-inspected to be Day VFR + as
equipped. (then equipped correctly it can be used in Night VFR as
well,

correct?)


Thanks,
Jeff McComb
N3245B


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Re: Electrical Questions

Mike Perry
 

Hello Charlie:

I think the T-tail in the Q functions more as a trim surface than a lifting surface. The Q T-tail can produce upward or downward force, unlike the Piaggio Avanti or some of the ideas on the Q-Performance list.

In cruise, the T-tail is much different than the reflexor but in landing, the function of the T-tail is similar: it lets you set the angle of attack so you get the tail on the ground as you touch down. That is one of the critical elements in improving the Q's ground handling.

After touchdown, the reflexor lets you reduce lift from the main wing and increase downward force on the tail wheel; the T-tail can increase the downward force but does not change the lift of the main wing.

Overall, I prefer the reflexor to the T-tail (simplicity, less weight, less drag) but I'm not sure I would change a plane that had a T-tail.

Mike Perry

oneskydog@... wrote:


Mike and Jeff,

In my opinion th "T" tail does not do the same thing as the reflexer. The
reflexer adjusts the rear wing lift force to move the center of lift forward
and back which changes the attitude of the plane. A "T" tail adds an
additional lifting surface that fights the fixed lift distribution between the
canard and the wing. This complicates the aerodynamics vs simply reducing or
increasing the total lift of the wing to change attitude.

I believe the reflexer is much easier to incorporate than a "T" tail
simplifying and saving weight is not a bad thing.

Regards,

Charlie Johnson a.k.a. One Sky Dog


In a message dated 9/25/2009 10:53:32 P.M. Mountain Daylight Time,
dmperry1012@... <mailto:dmperry1012%40att.net> writes:

I think you are correct about the T-tail. I wouldn't chose to build a
T-tail (more complex than the reflexor) but if it was there I would use
it. Details on the T-tail are in old newsletters which I haven't read
in years so take my comments with a large grain of salt.

Mike Perry


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APIC

Mike Dwyer <mdwyer@...>
 

Moving map software, see
http://www.approachsystems.com
Mike


Doug Humble wrote:

OK, what is APIC???





Re: Electrical Questions

Mike Dwyer <mdwyer@...>
 

The D10 EFIS doesn't connect to a GPS, it has MEMS based gyros and accels that determine pitch and roll.
The APIC connects to the GPS.
Mike


Jeff M. wrote

Mike D,
Do you share the same sensors as the D10 or is it running via its own
GPS?


Re: Electrical Questions

Darrell Daniels <log@...>
 

what kind of screen are you using this on , a small laptop or what. Darrell

----- Original Message -----
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To: <Q-LIST@...>
Sent: Saturday, September 26, 2009 8:20 AM
Subject: Re: [Q-LIST] Re: Electrical Questions


Doug,

APIC is moving map software....and more. The moving map portion (full version) shows the terrain, cities, lakes etc. The terrain changes color based on the altitude of the aircraft. If you see a patch of red ahead of you, then you are in danger of hitting the ground (I think terrain changes to red if it is within 300 feet of current altitude). It warns you if there is a tower in your flight path that you are endanger of hitting. It gets it's altitude data from the GPS . Not good enough to replace your altimeter, but great for warnings (it even has a VSI based on the GPS altitude input). This is in addition to all the normal GPS stuff.

It has electronic checklists (you can change them all you want).

It has 8 different screens.

You can program in all your V speeds and set altitude, heading, and speed bugs.

It has a simulator to allow you to "play" with the features on your laptop. You can test drive it before you buy. In fact if you don't want the terrain feature (but you will...) you can use it for free. In fact you can download a really old version of the terrain data for free and see now neat that feature is.

They offer a separate program (Easy Taxi) that will pull up standard airport diagrams (the exact ones you pull up on the EAA website) and it will show you where your aircraft is on the diagram. The Easy Taxi software is completely free.

I bought a UPS GPS on Ebay for $10 and it works just fine with it.

Check it out.

Fred



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To: Q-LIST@ yahoogroups .com
Sent: Friday, September 25, 2009 8:08:00 PM GMT -06:00 US/Canada Central
Subject: Re: [Q-LIST] Re: Electrical Questions






OK, what is APIC ???

Doug " Hawkeye " Humble
A Sign Above www . asignabove .net
Omaha NE
N25974
----- Original Message -----
From: f. worrell @comcast.net
To: Q-LIST@ yahoogroups .com
Sent: Friday, September 25, 2009 5:41 PM
Subject: Re: [Q-LIST] Re: Electrical Questions

I have downloaded APIC and have played with it on my laptop. Very impressive. They let you download the map version for free. The expensive version (with the terrain data) is roughly $100. Well worth it. Many really great features.

They also have a FREE Easy Taxi program that will show you where you are on the airport runways. All the towered airports are in there.

Mike is really on to something.

Fred

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To: Q-LIST@ yahoogroups .com
Sent: Friday, September 25, 2009 6:24:39 PM GMT -06:00 US/Canada Central
Subject: Re: [Q-LIST] Re: Electrical Questions

My APIC tablet has been working great. I get where I'm going. pop it
off the instrument panel and use it to access the internet then plug in
a USB gps and use Microsoft Streets to navigate the car to where ever
I'm going. It's awesome. The 10.3" screen is fine, don't think I'd be
happy with smaller.
Mike

Jeff M. wrote:
Thanks for your answers so far;

Mike,
My thinking with the Collins VOR was to upgrade it to an ILS indicator
with a glidesope receiver in the future, and also use a setup similar to
yours that uses the APIC . If I can't find space on the panel the VOR
will be the first thing to go. I'm not sure if I'll get a tablet PC or
a pocket PC. I've used my Compaq laptop as a ground GPS before and
almost every time I'm on a decent road trip something fails, I could
imagine that being exponentially more frustrating in the air. Have you
had any issues with yours? Any suggestions on screen size? Does APIC
have the highway in the sky feature? I thought that was pretty cool on
BMA and Dynon , but BMA is no longer....


Jon,
The previous owner did not complete phase 1 on the C-85. I presume I'll
have to get it amended to include my area as the flight test area
instead, in addition to the Day VFR .

Can it ever be a bad thing to use shielded wire when not necessary? Of
course it weighs and costs more but. other than that.


Can the ELT share antennas with the Com or would they be best alone?



Thanks again,
Jeff



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Of jonfinley2001
Sent: Friday, September 25, 2009 3:52 PM
To: Q-LIST@ yahoogroups .com
Subject: [Q-LIST] Re: Electrical Questions


Hi Jeff,

Before making on OpLims comments I should have asked:

How much time is on the airframe and is it in Phase 2 operation (out of
the test period)?

Jon

--- In Q-LIST@ yahoogroups . < mailto :Q-LIST%40yahoogroups.com> com, "Jeff
M." < jeffm @...> wrote:

Hi Everyone,

I've been lurking for a little while, you guys have a lot of great
information here. I bought an already flying but disassembled Q-200
(C-85) off of Barnstormers earlier this year, I was unhappy with the
uneven finish so I've spent the last few months doing all the sanding,
filling, priming, and finally painting. So now I'm moving onto the
next

step, electrical stuff. The plane had a very basic VFR dash on it, I
plan on upgrading the antiquated instruments and adding Collins NAV /
COM/ VOR / XPDR . I've wired houses and cars but have no experience with
aviation. currently it has little to no wiring in it, the cockpit
wiring

that is there does not appear to be anything more than automotive
wiring. So all of that is coming out but my question is regarding wire
gauge and shielding. Should shielded wire be used everywhere, is it
just for heat/ abrasion or for RFI as well? What gauge are most of the
avionics, 20ga or 18ga? Also I am unclear on the antennas, there is a
foil antenna where the main fuselage meets the tail (I presume this is
Com) and another in the left wing (which I presume is NAV ). Is there a
way to tell what they are? Will I have to add another antenna for the
XPDR ?

One other thing on my mind, on the airworthiness certificate it states
Day VFR only. does it just have to be re-inspected to be Day VFR + as
equipped. (then equipped correctly it can be used in Night VFR as
well,

correct?)


Thanks,
Jeff McComb
N3245B








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Re: Bellcrank (was Electrical Questions)

Paul Spackman
 

Yes good point Sam, with the Aviation Products tail wheel the bell crank is larger also so there is a change there also. Several ways to go here that seem to work, I know we have talked about this here before.

Paul

--- In Q-LIST@..., Sam Hoskins <sam.hoskins@...> wrote:

Yes, but couldn't you accomplish the same thing by just changing the tail
wheel bell crank, instead of introducing an intermediary device?

Sam



On Fri, Sep 25, 2009 at 10:11 PM, PaulS <wypaul2001@...> wrote:



Sam, Having had both systems the bellcrank is the part that is most
important IMHO, it allows for a different ratio for the tail wheel making it
much less likely to skid and less sensitive to the inputs. There's my two
cents from a "reluctant convert".

Paul

--- In Q-LIST@... <Q-LIST%40yahoogroups.com>, Sam Hoskins
<sam.hoskins@> wrote:

Just one man's opinion - and I have discussed this with the primary's
many

times. I think the 6-pack is good. However, if it was me, I'd just make
it
a 5 pack. I don't see a real need for the intermediate bellcrak and I

don't think it contributes to the handling issues. I once taxied Jim's
plane and it was impressive, but I think the biggest factors were the
Gall
wheel alignment and the tail wheel setup. Finger brakes or toe brakes is
just a matter of personal preference.

As far as brakes go, I have used the stock QAC, the Larue Brakesand t the
Coughlin. Fomy moneyey, the Coughlin are e best - - so far - for the tail
draggers. I d't know w about the Tri's.

Wh tryrying to troubleshoot a handling problem, it would be really
beneficial to find an experienced Q guy to come and see it. Buy his gas,
feed him, and he will come.

The late Art Jewett was having alsorts s of handling problems. No amount
of
e-mails or phone calls would sort out the problem, but I found it within
about 45 seconds of taxi time. His problem lay in the dual rudder pedal
set-up he had, but I had to drive it around to figure it out. After the
diagnosis, he was all better in a week.

Hoping to make it to BEAT RICE.

Sam Hoskins
Murphysboro, IL

ri, Sep 25,p 25, 2009 at 7:51 PM, Mike Perry <dmperry1012@> wrote:



Jeff:

It has 55 hours on it but still in phase 1? Is there some other
history here? If the plane completed phase 1 testing (usually 40 hours)
and then was put back in phase 1 for an engine change? If so that's a
different situation.

You also wrote, "I'd still prefer a pneumatic tail wheel. That is the
biggest element of added control in the crosswinds isn't it?" Jim
Patillo likes to say the 6 pack works as a m, you you can't pick and
choose parts which parts of the 6 pack to install. I would say that QAC
made compromises in designing the brakes and tail wheel such that the
Q2
is unstable on the ground; If you fully understand what each element of
the 6 pack does then you can make choices. Just for review, the
6-pack consists of: a.. Reflexor mod b.. Belly board mod c.. La
Rue mod d..d d.. Toe brake mod e.. Bellcrank mod f.. Full
swiveling tail wheel m >
Th
There are other successful flying Qs but every Q with those 6 mods has
been aSouccess. Some alternatives include the Coughlin brake mod which
is similar to the Land possd and possibly easier to install;
differential hand brakes are easier to install but may be less
ergononic
than toe brakes; the belly board modffect groaffect ground handling
much but makes it easier to land on the spot you choose. I suggest you
seriously consider the entire 6 pack for a plane that "likes to skid
left." I think you can find some "before and after" discussions in the
archives.

Mike Perry

Jeff M. wrote:


Mike P,
The last entry in the log book states that it "likes to skid left.
Handles well." I contacted the previous owner just for more input.
The
airframe has 55+ hours on it, but hasn't flown in 11 years. I'll
definitely check the alignment stuff out. It actually has a steel
tailspring and different swivel assembly on it already, shortly aft>
was buil
was built the original spring broke. but I'd still prefer a pneumatic
tail wheel. That is the biggest element of added control in the
crosswinds isn't it?


Jon,
You sure are right about that, but it sounds like there is hope in
getting the mess untaggled though. I spoke with an EAA friendly DAR
and
he doesn't thd be a biuld be a big deal at all, pretty much just
update
the operating limitations to the newer versions and change the flight
test location. Then I'd just have to burn off the flight test time.

Speaking in general what typically uses shielded?


Larry,
I just picked up an AK-450 ELT, it was supposed to have its own small
metal antenna that just pops on it but it didn't come with it. I
guess
I'll keep an eye out for one, or try fabbing up a bent C for Com and
use
the foil for ELT. hmm.


Mi Do you
Do you share the same sensors as the D10 or is ia iunning via its own
GPS?


Fred,
I'll definitely have to give that a test drive, sounds like it is a
great product for a very reasonable price.


Thanks for all the answers,
Jeff

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Re: Electrical Questions

f.worrell@...
 

Doug,

APIC is moving map software....and more. The moving map portion (full version) shows the terrain, cities, lakes etc. The terrain changes color based on the altitude of the aircraft. If you see a patch of red ahead of you, then you are in danger of hitting the ground (I think terrain changes to red if it is within 300 feet of current altitude). It warns you if there is a tower in your flight path that you are endanger of hitting. It gets it's altitude data from the GPS . Not good enough to replace your altimeter, but great for warnings (it even has a VSI based on the GPS altitude input). This is in addition to all the normal GPS stuff.

It has electronic checklists (you can change them all you want).

It has 8 different screens.

You can program in all your V speeds and set altitude, heading, and speed bugs.

It has a simulator to allow you to "play" with the features on your laptop. You can test drive it before you buy. In fact if you don't want the terrain feature (but you will...) you can use it for free. In fact you can download a really old version of the terrain data for free and see now neat that feature is.

They offer a separate program (Easy Taxi) that will pull up standard airport diagrams (the exact ones you pull up on the EAA website) and it will show you where your aircraft is on the diagram. The Easy Taxi software is completely free.

I bought a UPS GPS on Ebay for $10 and it works just fine with it.

Check it out.

Fred

----- Original Message -----
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To: Q-LIST@ yahoogroups .com
Sent: Friday, September 25, 2009 8:08:00 PM GMT -06:00 US/Canada Central
Subject: Re: [Q-LIST] Re: Electrical Questions






OK, what is APIC ???

Doug " Hawkeye " Humble
A Sign Above www . asignabove .net
Omaha NE
N25974
----- Original Message -----
From: f. worrell @comcast.net
To: Q-LIST@ yahoogroups .com
Sent: Friday, September 25, 2009 5:41 PM
Subject: Re: [Q-LIST] Re: Electrical Questions

I have downloaded APIC and have played with it on my laptop. Very impressive. They let you download the map version for free. The expensive version (with the terrain data) is roughly $100. Well worth it. Many really great features.

They also have a FREE Easy Taxi program that will show you where you are on the airport runways. All the towered airports are in there.

Mike is really on to something.

Fred

----- Original Message -----
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To: Q-LIST@ yahoogroups .com
Sent: Friday, September 25, 2009 6:24:39 PM GMT -06:00 US/Canada Central
Subject: Re: [Q-LIST] Re: Electrical Questions

My APIC tablet has been working great. I get where I'm going. pop it
off the instrument panel and use it to access the internet then plug in
a USB gps and use Microsoft Streets to navigate the car to where ever
I'm going. It's awesome. The 10.3" screen is fine, don't think I'd be
happy with smaller.
Mike

Jeff M. wrote:
Thanks for your answers so far;

Mike,
My thinking with the Collins VOR was to upgrade it to an ILS indicator
with a glidesope receiver in the future, and also use a setup similar to
yours that uses the APIC . If I can't find space on the panel the VOR
will be the first thing to go. I'm not sure if I'll get a tablet PC or
a pocket PC. I've used my Compaq laptop as a ground GPS before and
almost every time I'm on a decent road trip something fails, I could
imagine that being exponentially more frustrating in the air. Have you
had any issues with yours? Any suggestions on screen size? Does APIC
have the highway in the sky feature? I thought that was pretty cool on
BMA and Dynon , but BMA is no longer....


Jon,
The previous owner did not complete phase 1 on the C-85. I presume I'll
have to get it amended to include my area as the flight test area
instead, in addition to the Day VFR .

Can it ever be a bad thing to use shielded wire when not necessary? Of
course it weighs and costs more but. other than that.


Can the ELT share antennas with the Com or would they be best alone?



Thanks again,
Jeff



-----Original Message-----
From: Q-LIST@ yahoogroups .com [ mailto : Q-LIST@ yahoogroups .com ] On Behalf
Of jonfinley2001
Sent: Friday, September 25, 2009 3:52 PM
To: Q-LIST@ yahoogroups .com
Subject: [Q-LIST] Re: Electrical Questions


Hi Jeff,

Before making on OpLims comments I should have asked:

How much time is on the airframe and is it in Phase 2 operation (out of
the test period)?

Jon

--- In Q-LIST@ yahoogroups . < mailto :Q-LIST%40yahoogroups.com> com, "Jeff
M." < jeffm @...> wrote:

Hi Everyone,

I've been lurking for a little while, you guys have a lot of great
information here. I bought an already flying but disassembled Q-200
(C-85) off of Barnstormers earlier this year, I was unhappy with the
uneven finish so I've spent the last few months doing all the sanding,
filling, priming, and finally painting. So now I'm moving onto the
next

step, electrical stuff. The plane had a very basic VFR dash on it, I
plan on upgrading the antiquated instruments and adding Collins NAV /
COM/ VOR / XPDR . I've wired houses and cars but have no experience with
aviation. currently it has little to no wiring in it, the cockpit
wiring

that is there does not appear to be anything more than automotive
wiring. So all of that is coming out but my question is regarding wire
gauge and shielding. Should shielded wire be used everywhere, is it
just for heat/ abrasion or for RFI as well? What gauge are most of the
avionics, 20ga or 18ga? Also I am unclear on the antennas, there is a
foil antenna where the main fuselage meets the tail (I presume this is
Com) and another in the left wing (which I presume is NAV ). Is there a
way to tell what they are? Will I have to add another antenna for the
XPDR ?

One other thing on my mind, on the airworthiness certificate it states
Day VFR only. does it just have to be re-inspected to be Day VFR + as
equipped. (then equipped correctly it can be used in Night VFR as
well,

correct?)


Thanks,
Jeff McComb
N3245B


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Re: Electrical Questions

One Sky Dog
 

Mike and Jeff,

In my opinion th "T" tail does not do the same thing as the reflexer. The
reflexer adjusts the rear wing lift force to move the center of lift forward
and back which changes the attitude of the plane. A "T" tail adds an
additional lifting surface that fights the fixed lift distribution between the
canard and the wing. This complicates the aerodynamics vs simply reducing or
increasing the total lift of the wing to change attitude.

I believe the reflexer is much easier to incorporate than a "T" tail
simplifying and saving weight is not a bad thing.

Regards,

Charlie Johnson a.k.a. One Sky Dog

In a message dated 9/25/2009 10:53:32 P.M. Mountain Daylight Time,
dmperry1012@... writes:

I think you are correct about the T-tail. I wouldn't chose to build a
T-tail (more complex than the reflexor) but if it was there I would use
it. Details on the T-tail are in old newsletters which I haven't read
in years so take my comments with a large grain of salt.

Mike Perry


Elecrtical question 6-5 pack. Intermediary device

Clive Clapham
 

Hi Guys

On the electrical question, namely the aerial location, you could use a stud detector set to find wire in the wall, you could then trace what and where.

You'e already got a single finger brake easiest option is add another for dual finger brakes. I had toe brakes early on and converted to dual finger brakes. Some prefer toe, but it's a lot of work.

As you already have the bell crank, there's not much point changing, in the UK I came up with an alternative used on two Quickies. It's simply a small triangle of SS sheet with three holes on each rudders horn. Which is lowered and the pivot moved to inside the rudder horn much like a larger elevator outer pivot, we ditched the pesky inadequate penolic bearing. It achieves a similar result, in that the ratios can be independent. It still gives rudder if the tail wheel is dangling in the air. Still reliant on the same number of splices, but simpler and lighter and easy to inspect, doesn't have anything inside the fuselage. There is a picture in the gobxoy album. Can add clearer shot if anyone asks.

The Gall essay is exemplary. Well worth reading.

Clive Clapham gobxoy


fuelventure

Stan Susman <stanpfa@...>
 

Now that's cool, I wish I knew about it earlier as it would have motivated me get the Q1 /084 rigged up and give it a try. Did this race/test happen last year as well? Is it by class,weight,hp or just MPG. Will it use a Cafe type system? Very very hip. Soon we'll have a miles per watt test as well.


Re: fuelventure

ERacerVinn@...
 

Fellow Q enthusiasts:
This will be the second Fuelventure event at COPPERSTATE and the third
event overall.
1. Three gross take-off weight classes, 500 kg or less, 501 to 750 kg and
751 to 1000 kg.
2. A separate RV class will be competing.
3. Awards for best MPG and CAFE score. There is a spreadsheet to figure
CAFE scores on the web site
4. Due to time constraints there is a minimum 120 mph average speed for
the 400 mile course.
5. Proof of $500,000 liability insurance is required (EAA rule).
6. First place in each class pays $150, second place pays $100, third place
pays $50.
7. Best MPG overall pays $200 and Best overall CAFE pays $200.
8. Plaques will also be given to the three finishers in each class.

I think the Q's will take some awards!

See you at CGZ and Good luck.
Bruce Vinnola

_www.fuelventure.org_ (http://www.fuelventure.org)

In a message dated 09/26/2009 12:46:33 A.M. Mountain Daylight Time,
stanpfa@... writes:




Now that's cool, I wish I knew about it earlier as it would have motivated
me get the Q1 /084 rigged up and give it a try. Did this race/test happen
last year as well? Is it by class,weight,Is it by class,weight,<WBR>hp or
just MPG. Will it use a Cafe type system? Very very hip. Soon we'll have a
miles

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T Tail and bell crank

britmcman99
 

I have a nice TTail that IRemoved from my project Q2. I will gladly
trade it for something of quickie interest. If your Q has a reflexor
it probably does not need a T Tail. IMHO TTail is too complex, too
heavy, too draggy, and if failure in flight could potentially result
in attitude related catastrophy.

Bell crank. N870BM did not have one and handled very nicely. That
said, I would be inclined to install it in a new build.

Phil Lankford

On Sep 25, 2009, at 9:50 PM, Mike Perry <dmperry1012@...> wrote:

Jeff:

re Gall wheel alignment: I believe the 5 deg is with no load on the
canard; it should be around 0 deg. at gross. It may be different with
the GU canard unloaded but still 0 deg at gross. (Do you have a Q2
or a
Q200? Most Revmasters went on the original Q2 with the GU canard but
there are plenty of exceptions.)

I think you are saying your plane never got out of phase 1 testing. If
it was out of phase 1 even briefly you may have a different situation.
It should be in the log book.

I think you are correct about the T-tail. I wouldn't chose to build a
T-tail (more complex than the reflexor) but if it was there I would
use
it. Details on the T-tail are in old newsletters which I haven't read
in years so take my comments with a large grain of salt.

Mike Perry

Jeff M. wrote:


Mike P.,
Sorry I wasn't more specific. most of those hours were on a
Revmaster,
it was the previous owner who put the C-85 on but didn't complete
the
flight test hours.

My Q-200 is a T-tail, that serves the same purpose as the reflexor
mod,
doesn't it? I believe the brakes are stock, Cleveland calipers dated
1983, single cylinder finger brakes. It does have the intermediate
bellcrank mod however.


Sam,
Be careful with that wording, otherwise I may take you up on
that. ;)


After reading Gall's article on alignment I am certain that my
wheels do
not have a 5* outward camber, I guess I'll have to see what I can
squeeze out of it.


Thanks,
Jeff
SE Michigan

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Re: Electrical Questions

Mike Perry
 

Jeff:

re Gall wheel alignment: I believe the 5 deg is with no load on the canard; it should be around 0 deg. at gross. It may be different with the GU canard unloaded but still 0 deg at gross. (Do you have a Q2 or a Q200? Most Revmasters went on the original Q2 with the GU canard but there are plenty of exceptions.)

I think you are saying your plane never got out of phase 1 testing. If it was out of phase 1 even briefly you may have a different situation. It should be in the log book.

I think you are correct about the T-tail. I wouldn't chose to build a T-tail (more complex than the reflexor) but if it was there I would use it. Details on the T-tail are in old newsletters which I haven't read in years so take my comments with a large grain of salt.

Mike Perry

Jeff M. wrote:


Mike P.,
Sorry I wasn't more specific. most of those hours were on a Revmaster,
it was the previous owner who put the C-85 on but didn't complete the
flight test hours.

My Q-200 is a T-tail, that serves the same purpose as the reflexor mod,
doesn't it? I believe the brakes are stock, Cleveland calipers dated
1983, single cylinder finger brakes. It does have the intermediate
bellcrank mod however.


Sam,
Be careful with that wording, otherwise I may take you up on that. ;)


After reading Gall's article on alignment I am certain that my wheels do
not have a 5* outward camber, I guess I'll have to see what I can
squeeze out of it.


Thanks,
Jeff
SE Michigan

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