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Re: Home safe in KORE

Doug Humble <hawkidoug@...>
 

Great to hear you are back at home safely Dave. As a host, it is a thrill to have guys travel from all over to make the event. I'm actually glad that Kevin Boddicker broke the hangar door so we could visit with you a bit longer before you depart for home.

Doug "Hawkeye" Humble
A Sign Above www.asignabove.net
Omaha NE
N25974

----- Original Message -----
From: Dave Dugas
To: Q-LIST@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Monday, October 05, 2009 7:26 PM
Subject: [Q-LIST] Home safe in KORE


Rod and I landed at 4 pm local after a one stop flight from Findlay OH. Great flying for the most part...rain the last half hour. The landing at KORE was almost my last one ,as the winds were gusting from every direction including up and down. First try ended with a go-around, second try was intended to be another go-around but a moderate slam to the runway and chop of the throttle, and thankfully it stayed straight with no damage. Trip finished. The Revmaster performed perfectly and the Tru-Trak auto pilot got a real good workout and never complained once. Doug, thanks for a good time. I just wished I could have been there longer.

Dave Dugas


Finley Trip Report

jon@...
 

Hi all,

A short report of my trip to the Beatrice FOD (E98-HQG-BIE)....

The Q performed perfectly the whole flight. As has been reported already, the winds were an issue for the whole weekend. Going out, I cruised at 9,500' MSL, had about a 20 kt tailwind, and saw about 140 kts ground speed the whole way. I arrived over Beatrice at 10,500, dropped thru a broken cloud layer directly over the airport, and performed spectacular descent and fly-by. After landing, the sole person at the airport, Jay Scheeval, came out to greet me and let me know that everyone else had went to lunch.... I hope you enjoyed my arrival Jay or it was all a waste.... ;-)

The first leg of the return was not terribly rough but there was a significant wind from the south-est which kept my attention and forced me to ride right rudder to try and keep the thing straight. The second leg of the return was where the REAL excitement was. A very low ceiling caused some scud running thru the south-west section of Kansas and Oklahoma. After getting into the clear around Clayton, NM, the winds/turbulence got BAD. I throttled back the entire way across New Mexico to keep from having the wings ripped off my Q. This leg was the first time that I can remember ever getting airsick (stomach just felt bad, nothing "messy"). Arriving at home base I was greeted with some nice wind right down the runway (guessing 20 kts).

I put some photos on my website under Jon's Stuff - Trips - 2009 Field of Dreams Fly-In (watch for line wrap):
[http://www.finleyweb.net/JonsStuff/Trips/2009FieldofDreamsFlyIn/tabid/235/Default.aspx] http://www.finleyweb.net/JonsStuff/Trips/2009FieldofDreamsFlyIn/tabid/235/Default.aspx

Totally flying time was 10.1 hours and 1345 statute miles averaging 133 mph (including the fuel stops and one short flight (four tenths) at the event). The first three legs were 1002 sm which consumed 42.5 gals over 7.2 hrs; averaging 5.9 gph and 23.5 statute miles per gallon. For this trip, I had an EGT sensor hooked up and ran 1400 to 1450 degrees for most of the trip (rich of peak). This is richer than I have flown previous trips using just an oxygen sensor (hence the lower mpg).

So, once again, Q's (and Subaru's!!) work fantastically well - I love mine!!

Jon Finley
N314JF - Q2 Subaru EJ-22
[http://www.finleyweb.net/Q2Subaru.aspx] http://www.finleyweb.net/Q2Subaru.aspx


Johnson's are home

jon@...
 

Bob and Charlie left my place this morning at about 10:30am and I just received a call from Bob that they had just arrived home in Ogden.

Jon


Re: Home safe in KORE

jnmarstall@...
 

Glad you made it home safely. You will have to teach me how fly x/c and actually get there and back. It was great seeing you again
Jerry
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-----Original Message-----
From: Dave Dugas <davedq2@yahoo.com>
Date: Mon, 5 Oct 2009 17:26:05
To: <Q-LIST@yahoogroups.com>
Subject: [Q-LIST] Home safe in KORE

Rod and I landed at 4 pm local after a one stop flight from Findlay OH. Great flying for the most part...rain the last half hour. The landing at KORE was almost my last one ,as the winds were gusting from every direction including up and down. First try ended with a go-around, second try was intended to be another go-around but a moderate slam to the runway and chop of the throttle, and thankfully it stayed straight with no damage. Trip finished. The Revmaster performed perfectly and the Tru-Trak auto pilot got a real good workout and never complained once. Doug, thanks for a good time. I just wished I could have been there longer.

Dave Dugas


Home safe in KORE

Dave Dugas
 

Rod and I landed at 4 pm local after a one stop flight from Findlay OH.  Great flying for the most part...rain the last half hour.  The landing at KORE was almost my last one ,as the winds were gusting from every direction including up and down.  First try ended with a go-around, second try was intended to be another go-around but a moderate slam to the runway and chop of the throttle, and thankfully it stayed straight with no damage.  Trip finished.  The Revmaster performed perfectly and the Tru-Trak auto pilot got a real good workout and never complained once.  Doug, thanks for a good time.  I just wished I could have been there longer.
 
Dave Dugas


Not home yet

jnmarstall@...
 

Wx, I just love wx. within 60 miles of home. Wx at AVL 900 ovcst drizzle. No obstacle for you tail draggers but I,m a wimp. Don't want to scratch my plaque.
may tomorrow be cavu. Jerry
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Re: Home safe

millenniumflier@...
 

Hi Doug, and All our fellow aviators,

Also home safe, at 12:30 AM Sunday night/Monday morning, and yet another reason for me to get my plane finished and flying... so i can get home sooner than taking commercial! The 1,300 miles or so from Livermore to Beatrice could be done certainly before nightfall... weather permitting, that is.

Doug, once again, you did an outstanding job of putting together another great fly-in, and all your planning and organizing really paid off, despite the almost near annihilation of the event due to the winds... just about all of us made it in after all, and it was great catching up on all our friendships for another year. I really appreciated your concern about safety this time especially, and i think those concerns were on the minds of us all.

What a great time to see some great airplanes again, and my personal thanks to everyone who did fly their's to the event.

Oh, and Jon, i sure learned my lesson about making predictions about flying my plane (i was sure i was gonna get tarred and feathered right there in the terminal building Saturday evening!) and Kevin, yes, it sure would be nice to fly myself there next year too, so you just MIGHT have some more company.... notice i'm leaving it alot more vague this time! lol Only, no more long-range weather predictions, ok?? :-)

Doug, many, thanks again for all your hard work in planning for the event, and for your great perseverance as Newsletter editor too. We are all the richer for your efforts.

Still building...

Alan


Re: Response to Bruce the new guy.

JMasal@...
 

In a message dated 10/3/2009 6:15:48 P.M. Central Daylight Time,
britmcman@aol.com writes:

It would
certainly make life much easier.

If it were all about making your life easier you should just go out a buy a
plane! Believe me... if you even buy a partial plane, by the time you
finish you will feel it's yours. Ask Thayer!

j.


Re: Home safe

JMasal@...
 

In a message dated 10/5/2009 8:50:12 A.M. Central Daylight Time,
jcrain2@juno.com writes:

We


Dear Family (my builder/pilot family) I'm back in Dallas after only 7 hrs
flying stand-by on Southwest. 2 perfect landings at STL and Dal. Flying at
550 mph aint nearly as fun as the Q planes. Delighted to see all youse guys
and the refurbed bird. Kudos to Mr. Dugas for being relentless!!!


Re: ROTAX ENGINE ADAPTER PLATE???

Jon Finley <jon@...>
 

Hi Rich,

Is this for use a Q1?

Chris Barber (Capt. Nitro) installed a Rotax 583 in his Q1 years ago using a
Rotax gearbox so I assume what you are asking has been done but I do not
know any details.

Chris's plane was a rocket ship. I'm working from very old memory but it
seems like it burned a ton of gas (as you would expect) and was not
reliable. He had many, many "adventures" with it. If you are building a
pattern airplane and/or your hair is usually on fire, you would probably
enjoy any of those engines. Otherwise; one of the aviation "specific"
two-strokes would be a much better choice (503, IMO a 582 is overkill on a
Q1). I would rate just about any four-stroke engine as choice that is many
orders of magnitude better than any two-stroke choice (assuming "normal"
general aviation aircraft use).

FYI: I have ~250 hours behind a Rotax 503 in a Q1 and ~250 hours behind a
1835cc VW in a Q1.

Jon Finley
N314JF - Q2 - Subaru EJ-22
http://www.finleyweb.net/Q2Subaru.aspx

"Necessity is the plea for every infringement of human freedom and dignity.
It is the argument of tyrants and it is the creed of slaves" - William Pitt
in the House of Commons

-----Original Message-----
From: Q-LIST@yahoogroups.com [mailto:Q-LIST@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf
Of Armilite@aol.com
Sent: Saturday, October 03, 2009 8:08 PM
To: Q-LIST@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [Q-LIST] ROTAX ENGINE ADAPTER PLATE???

Hello:

Has anyone here ever used any of the bigger Rotax(SeaDoo/Snowmobile)
583/670/700/800 etc, engines either machining or making and adapter
plate for
the gear drive?

Example a Rotax 670 puts out I think128HP at 8.000 RPM.

I found a whole snowmobile on Craigslist for $650 with a rebuilt 670.

Rich Gillen

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Info off the net.


Rotax 670 conversion
Very informative images. We need to cooperate to help those that want
to
modify these power plants. A good pipe for the 582 would be a great
idea.
Electronic fuel injection is even a better idea. Both of these would
be
greater. We could have some great resources if we could work out a way
to build
a few of these engines and test run them to work out the bugs. I am
retired
and may try and build some engines after I have proven what I have. I
am
not there as yet, but getting close.

Andreas, I am curious as to why you did not just modify the case as in
the
photos I just made below. I just this morning finished putting this
one
together to utilize with EFI. It seems so much simpler to machine the
case
than it would to make the adapter (which looks really good. The only
things I
have to do to make the conversion is cut 17mm off the crankshaft, and
have
a larger taper machined to the "C" box flywheel adapter in order to
fit the
shaft.

Bob, Thanks for your pictures. We discussed also your solution. There
was
fear that welding at the crankcase possibly produce tensions in the
material. To be sure, we decided for the adapter plate. Maybe Germans
tends to
overengineered solutions ;-)

Regarding the fuel mixture preparation we are using Mikuni BN38 carbs
and
the Rans rotary valve adapter plate, simply because we had them. As the
first tests shows us, this setup works fine without any changes in
jetting.

Also because we had it, we are using a WarpDrive prop. But because we
don't trust the plastic 2-blade hub, we converted it to a 3-blade,
using an
existent 3-blade aluminum hub. Prop diameter is 66" or 1,68m.

We are not free from bad experiences. At one of the test runs, one of
the
pistons had a detonation. We found out, that especially our engine
(670 HO
Summit X) has an higher compression. And the ignition timing was to
advanced in combination with the non-HO CDI that we are using. By the
way, the HO
has also another head with another form of the combustion chamber then
the
non-HO. So we need to lower the compression (simply using thicker
gaskets
between cylinder and crankcase) and to move the ignition sensor for a
later
ignition timing. Unfortunately we needed also a new piston and to bore
out
the cylinder. We bought a Wiseco piston, because it's a forged one. As
we
got it, we find out, that it's about 30 gr lighter then the other one,
so we
need to do the same with the second cylinder. Today we are still
waiting
for that.

Again thank's to all and especially to Bob for all informations given
in
this forum. We want to share also our experiences with you and others.

The files for the pipe are here for download:
http://www.konzelmann.handshake.de/pipe_S10_670.zip

If someone is interested for the precutted sheets, we can also supply
them
or deliver welded bends.
Our "new" engine, a Rotax 670. It's from a '98 or '99 Ski-doo Summit X
670. It's a "HO" (High Output), rated 128HP at 8.000 RPM.







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Re: Home safe

Deems Herring
 

I made it home in my low flying Ford. Heavy rain from Kentucky to Georgia, good thing I was driving. I enjoyed the whole week end. See everyone next year.

Deems Herring


Re: Back in Kazoo - Detroit

sdhall <sdhall@...>
 

Doug:
I made it back to Detroit safe-n-sound.
Thanks for arranging a terrific gathering. It was a pleasure meeting all the
attendees.
Sanjay

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From: Q-LIST@yahoogroups.com [mailto:Q-LIST@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of
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Sent: Sunday, October 04, 2009 10:38 PM
To: Q-LIST@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [Q-LIST] Re: Back in Kazoo




Jerry and Joleen are home safely and Sanjay is enroute to the Detroit
area. Many thanks to Doug and everyone else involved in this fun and
informative get together.

jerry

In a message dated 10/4/2009 10:00:14 P.M. Eastern Standard Time,
oneskydog@aol. <mailto:oneskydog%40aol.com> com writes:

Doug,

The Johnson Bro's are safe at Jon's place it was a long and turbulent
flight with some low spots. I will wait until morning to decide to go on
or stay
put for another day.

It was great to see everyone again.

Bob and Charlie


Re: Home safe

Bruce Crain
 

Doug!
Sorry I was brain dead for a little bit! It happens a little more all the time. Don't know who Dave is. Maybe I was still in the Dave Richardson mode. Can't remember things currently but still remember things years ago. Maybe medication?
Honey lamb returned home after flying 330 flying to Davenport and driving 680 miles to Enid. Still has a big happy grin on her face! We enjoyed seeing everybody! Can't wait for the next one!

Bruce

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Re: Engine Drawings

Paul Spackman
 

Aaron,

No, the engine actually set out 5.5 inches from the firewall.

Paul

--- In Q-LIST@yahoogroups.com, "bin.echo" <bin.echo@...> wrote:

Paul,

Did you have to move the firewall when switching to the Jabiru? I'm also contemplating a Jabiru upgrade.

-Aaron


--- In Q-LIST@yahoogroups.com, "PaulS" <wypaul2001@> wrote:

John,

I do not know of any drawings for either of those engines. What I did was measure the Revmaster's mount to crank center line locations and matched the Jabiru center line to the original location. I did not make any drawings or retain any notes and I no longer own the Revmaster but if you do not find what you are looking for let me know and I can measure the original Revmaster mount location as compared to the Jabiru mount location.

Sounds like you are making good progress. See you at one of the Quickie fly-ins soon!

Alan Thayer still has his Revmaster setting in his hanger and may measure the center line location for you. He is really close with his Jabiru installation.

Paul



--- In Q-LIST@yahoogroups.com, "John Loram" <johnl@> wrote:


<http://geo.yahoo.com/serv?s=97359714/grpId=2124158/grpspId=1705065618/msgId
=34806/stime=1254585812/nc1=4507179/nc2=3848643/nc3=5170417> Would anyone
have 3-view drawings of the O-200 and/or Revmaster?

I'm
trying to locate the centerline of he crankshhaft on the Q2/Q200
firewall of these two engines.

Time to bolt on the Jabiru 3300, -joh-



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Home Safe

Jon Finley <jon@...>
 

Maybe I should say I have arrived.. The plane and I are in one piece in
spite of the idiot pilot.. Details will follow when I'm not exhausted.



Charlie and Bob Johnson arrived here at my place (E98) shortly after my
arrival. They are tucked away for the night and we'll see what tomorrow's
weather brings for them.



Jon Finley

N314JF - Q2 - Subaru EJ-22

http://www.finleyweb.net/Q2Subaru.aspx



"Necessity is the plea for every infringement of human freedom and dignity.
It is the argument of tyrants and it is the creed of slaves" - William Pitt
in the House of Commons


On the Ground

Paul Spackman
 

Jay asked me to post to the list that he made it to Canyon City and is weathering over until tomorrow.

It was nice seeing everyone and wish I could have stayed long but I was glad to be here with today's weather.

Paul


Re: Home safe

Bruce Crain
 

Made it to the hanger at 5:40 p.m. Honey Lamb was already at Kansas city!! Terry did you guys just see a flash when she went by preceded by a shock wave? She should be in about midnight tonight.
Thanks so much to Paul for his help with a few things to help send Honey Lamb out on the open road. I now have two sand bags for ballast in the right seat. Thanks for that also Paul. I'll buy you a burger sometime. (don't tell Jon, I still owe him one for picking up my gas blunder at Bellin, NM).

Dave you hosted a great time for all of us! What a bunch of great guys and gals! The fellowship was superb! N96BJ just keeps churning out the airspeed and hauling us comfortably. Get em done guys and gals! It's a great little airplane!

Bruce Crain


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Fatigued in Findlay

Dave Dugas
 

Rod and I arrived in Findlay OH and decided to finish up tomorrow.  I'll touch base when we get back to ORE.  It was great to see everyone...thanks Doug.  I'll report tomorrow.
 
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Home

Kevin Boddicker
 

Made it home via conestoga wagon @ 6:30PM. Well that is what I drive
compared to a LEXUS!!!!
Good to see everyone.
Flying to BEAT RICE next year!!!!
Alan, I can say that!

Kevin Boddicker
Tri Q 200 N7868B 145.9 hours
Luana, IA.


Re: Home safe

n17pf <fisherpaula@...>
 

Opps, I forgot to check in! Bruce Crain and I made it to Davenport at about 12:30. Joanne got her car (sexy little sports car!) and took off for the long drive to Enid OK. Bruce took off shortly after for his (relatively) short trip to Enid.

Thanks for all the fun. I'm sorry I didn't arrive until late Saturday afternoon due to weather, but I sure am glad I made the effort. It was great to see everyone!

Paul A. Fisher
Q-200, N17PF