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Re: requesting photo

Doug Humble <hawkidoug@...>
 

It's OK. I got several photos from others.

Doug "Hawkeye" Humble
A Sign Above www.asignabove.net
Omaha NE
N25974

----- Original Message -----
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Sent: Wednesday, October 07, 2009 2:56 PM
Subject: Re: [Q-LIST] requesting photo


Well?

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I did.



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Re: Home at last

Bruce Crain
 

And you are 100% the Man Jon!!
Sure would be nice to see a constant speed prop on that Q! Then again you have done enough tweeking and probably have the best prop on her currently.
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Re: Home at last

jon@...
 

Ditto Jerry! Your Q is FABULOUS - you've done great work. Glad to hear you made good weather decisions and got back safely...

I am only guessing but would bet the weather had the largest impact on attendance (from both TW groups). That said, 100% of the normally aspirated Subaru powered Q's were there so, statistically, that is clearly the engine to have. ;-)

Jon

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Sent: Wednesday, October 7, 2009 2:54pm
To: Q-LIST@...
Subject: Re: [Q-LIST] Home at last

Atta' goin' Jerry!
Did the Q perform flawlessly? Are you going to work out the oil cooler thing soon or let it go until warmer weather? They are so fun that it is hard to stop and work on things instead of fly.
It looked great at Beatrice! I would say you have a very viable aircraft that was worth the effort. In flying mine to Beatrice, Davenport (2 ship with Paul fisher) and then back home again it was definitely a smooth wonderful trip. Less than 3 1/2 hours in the air from Davenport to Enid. It took over 11 hours for Joanne to drive home in her new MR2!
I know you will love the Continental 0200!
Bruce

P.S. Paul and I were talking about the lack of Dragonflys at the event. It could be a couple of things that held them back. The VW engines are hard to maintain and less HP. I believe the Continental 0200 could make the Dragonfly a much more viable aircraft. Justin Mace put one on his Dragonfly and loves it.
The other thing is maybe the Dragonfly guys don't like us anymore. I doubt that. We are sooo cuddly and cute!



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Re: Made it home finally

jon@...
 

Nice work Jay - that is VERY interesting.

I am very suspicious that my wing/canard is 'way out of whack'. Anytime you are thru the area or even reasonably close (I could meet you somewhere) and want to measure it, please let me know and we'll get 'er done.

Jon


From: "Jay Scheevel" <scheevel@...>
To: <Q-LIST@...>
Subject: [Q-LIST] Made it home finally
Date: Tue, 6 Oct 2009 21:43:54 -0600

Hi guys,



I finally made it home today, and none too soon because it is my wife's
birthday. Spent two days weathered in at Canon City (west of Pueblo), but
did enjoy it because I got to hang out at the airport with some interesting
guys and I always bring my work along on my computer, so I actually got some
work done. I could have done without the two additional days of hotel,
though.



Thanks many times over to Doug for putting up such a great show and to all
of you guys who work so hard to bring your beautiful planes out to this
event. Your enthusiasm really inspires me (and Alan too).



During my layover in Canon City, I did a little reduction of the some of the
data that I gathered (with some help from everyone on all of your planes). I
will assemble a complete technical report, and will send a short advance
newsletter report to Doug, if he will let me know when he needs it to get it
into the next newsletter. I want to thank all the people who let me paw
over your plane. I also want to stress that, since all of the Q's I
measured are successfully flying and the pilots are not afraid to take them
cross country in challenging conditions, we must conclude that the
population of data I have gathered is a reasonable demonstration of
acceptable, minimum demonstrated ranges of airworthy tolerances. Just a few
early highlights: I gave up measuring all BL's on both sides after doing
several airplanes, in order for me to use the limited time to add more
aircraft to the sample, but the ones that I did measure (left versus right)
tell me that we can successfully fly with as much as 1 degree of incidence
difference between left and right wings. Of course this means a roll
tendency, but that can be successfully handled with rig and trim after the
fact. As far as wing to canard relative incidences, I do not have absolute
numbers, but it looks like the variation of relative incidences is almost 6
degrees. This is to say that if you hold the canard angle of incidence as
constant, then the range of incidences of the wings that I measured varies
by as much as 6 degrees from aircraft to aircraft. This is a much larger
range than I expected and once again indicates that a successfully flying Q
can has a large tolerance for relative angle of attack. I will be able to
comment more on this in a full article and hopefully correlate the numbers
with performance. I did not get a chance to measure Bruce Crain's (wing or
canard), Jon Finley's (wing or canard), Dave Dugas' (wing or canard) or Paul
Spackman's (canard), so there is plenty more to do. I will try to bring my
device to each fly-in and gather more data. For now it looks pretty
interesting.I'll keep you posted.



Cheers,

Jay


Re: Home at last

Bruce Crain
 

Atta' goin' Jerry!
Did the Q perform flawlessly? Are you going to work out the oil cooler thing soon or let it go until warmer weather? They are so fun that it is hard to stop and work on things instead of fly.
It looked great at Beatrice! I would say you have a very viable aircraft that was worth the effort. In flying mine to Beatrice, Davenport (2 ship with Paul fisher) and then back home again it was definitely a smooth wonderful trip. Less than 3 1/2 hours in the air from Davenport to Enid. It took over 11 hours for Joanne to drive home in her new MR2!
I know you will love the Continental 0200!
Bruce

P.S. Paul and I were talking about the lack of Dragonflys at the event. It could be a couple of things that held them back. The VW engines are hard to maintain and less HP. I believe the Continental 0200 could make the Dragonfly a much more viable aircraft. Justin Mace put one on his Dragonfly and loves it.
The other thing is maybe the Dragonfly guys don't like us anymore. I doubt that. We are sooo cuddly and cute!



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Re: Vortex Generator spacing templates

raoborg@...
 

Paul Hi! I have the same problem and if I can't print your files I will come back to you for a fax copy. Thank you Raoul

--- wypaul2001@... wrote:

From: "Paul S" <wypaul2001@...>
To: Q-LIST@...
Subject: [Q-LIST] Re: Vortex Generator spacing templates
Date: Wed, 07 Oct 2009 11:03:41 -0000

The reason for not providing the jpg is that it will not print to the proper size. There are several free readers available and then check the measurement, it should be 10 1/8" overall. I will change the files and add this measurement this evening. If all else fails contact me with a fax number and I will fax you a copy if you have the GU canard.

Paul

--- In Q-LIST@..., "HAROLD DIRKS" <hardot7776@...> wrote:

Paul,

How about converting these files to jpg format so those of us without CAD software can see them?


----- Original Message -----
From: Paul S<mailto:wypaul2001@...>
To: Q-LIST@...<mailto:Q-LIST@...>
Sent: Tuesday, October 06, 2009 5:47 PM
Subject: [Q-LIST] Vortex Generator spacing templates


I have downloaded a couple of vortex generator templates for the GU canard. One with wide spacing and one with narrow spacing. I am using the wide spacing suggested by Keith Welsh that uses about 1/2 as many generators and it is doing the job very good.

http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Q-LIST/files/VG%20Templates/<http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Q-LIST/files/VG%20Templates/>

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Re: Made it home finally

raoborg@...
 

tks jay. I was not there but can't wait to see your results. Raoul

--- scheevel@... wrote:

From: "Jay Scheevel" <scheevel@...>
To: <Q-LIST@...>
Subject: [Q-LIST] Made it home finally
Date: Tue, 6 Oct 2009 21:43:54 -0600

Hi guys,



I finally made it home today, and none too soon because it is my wife's
birthday. Spent two days weathered in at Canon City (west of Pueblo), but
did enjoy it because I got to hang out at the airport with some interesting
guys and I always bring my work along on my computer, so I actually got some
work done. I could have done without the two additional days of hotel,
though.



Thanks many times over to Doug for putting up such a great show and to all
of you guys who work so hard to bring your beautiful planes out to this
event. Your enthusiasm really inspires me (and Alan too).



During my layover in Canon City, I did a little reduction of the some of the
data that I gathered (with some help from everyone on all of your planes). I
will assemble a complete technical report, and will send a short advance
newsletter report to Doug, if he will let me know when he needs it to get it
into the next newsletter. I want to thank all the people who let me paw
over your plane. I also want to stress that, since all of the Q's I
measured are successfully flying and the pilots are not afraid to take them
cross country in challenging conditions, we must conclude that the
population of data I have gathered is a reasonable demonstration of
acceptable, minimum demonstrated ranges of airworthy tolerances. Just a few
early highlights: I gave up measuring all BL's on both sides after doing
several airplanes, in order for me to use the limited time to add more
aircraft to the sample, but the ones that I did measure (left versus right)
tell me that we can successfully fly with as much as 1 degree of incidence
difference between left and right wings. Of course this means a roll
tendency, but that can be successfully handled with rig and trim after the
fact. As far as wing to canard relative incidences, I do not have absolute
numbers, but it looks like the variation of relative incidences is almost 6
degrees. This is to say that if you hold the canard angle of incidence as
constant, then the range of incidences of the wings that I measured varies
by as much as 6 degrees from aircraft to aircraft. This is a much larger
range than I expected and once again indicates that a successfully flying Q
can has a large tolerance for relative angle of attack. I will be able to
comment more on this in a full article and hopefully correlate the numbers
with performance. I did not get a chance to measure Bruce Crain's (wing or
canard), Jon Finley's (wing or canard), Dave Dugas' (wing or canard) or Paul
Spackman's (canard), so there is plenty more to do. I will try to bring my
device to each fly-in and gather more data. For now it looks pretty
interesting.I'll keep you posted.



Cheers,

Jay









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Home at last

jnmarstall@...
 

The Q is home. The Q is home.
At last, the Q is home.
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Re: requesting photo

Paul Buckley
 

Well?

----- Original Message -----
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Sent: Wednesday, October 07, 2009 8:07 PM
Subject: Re: [Q-LIST] requesting photo


I did.








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iceobar <ascanielsen@...>
 


Made it home

Sam Kittle
 

I left Hutchinson, KS at 9:00 am yesterday under a high thin overcast. Made
a quick stop at Starbucks in Emporia for a little caffeine and arrived in
Kansas City at lunch time. The Hertz rental car handled this leg of the
trip well. My 5:35 flight on Southwest didn't leave until 6:30, had some
light chop on the decent into LA but the rest of the trip was smooth. My
truck was so dirty from sitting in the parking lot at Sacramento that I
thought it must belong to someone else. I arrived home shortly after
midnight. Sure hope I will be able to make this trip in my Q-200 next year.
Many thanks to Doug and everyone who took the time to descend on Beatrice
this weekend.



Best Regards,

Sam


Livermore Fly In?

Bruce Crain
 

Hey Allen,
I need to request all of my 2010 vacations before Oct. 15. Paul Fisher and I toyed with the possibility of flying out to the Livermore fly-In next year. Would you have the dates for that yet?
Great seeing you again this year at Beatrice!
Blessings
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Re: requesting photo

JMasal@...
 

I did.


requesting photo

Doug Humble <hawkidoug@...>
 

If anyone took a photo of Jay measuring a Q wing, please email it to me off list at: HawkiDoug@...

Thanks!

Doug "Hawkeye" Humble
A Sign Above www.asignabove.net
Omaha NE
N25974


Re: Vortex Generator spacing templates

Michael Quinn
 

I would draw a ruler and put "registration marks" on the page with your drawing or paint program (or cad before you output it to jpg, tiff, or whatever). I put a border around the page with inches (or cm) on at least 2 sides (for vertical and horizontal comparisons). I have done this with paint even and then print it out - test it, then check the size of the VG against the real thing - then check your registration marks that you drew on it (to see if they were exact to a physical ruler) - then you would be able to share the giff, tiff, or jpg - the person recieving it would be able to see if their printout was accurate by the registration marks on the printout and their own ruler (if incorrect they could scale the printout up or down until they got a printout that matched their ruler). I hope this helps!



M.



To: Q-LIST@...
From: wypaul2001@...
Date: Wed, 7 Oct 2009 11:03:41 +0000
Subject: [Q-LIST] Re: Vortex Generator spacing templates





The reason for not providing the jpg is that it will not print to the proper size. There are several free readers available and then check the measurement, it should be 10 1/8" overall. I will change the files and add this measurement this evening. If all else fails contact me with a fax number and I will fax you a copy if you have the GU canard.

Paul

--- In Q-LIST@..., "HAROLD DIRKS" <hardot7776@...> wrote:

Paul,

How about converting these files to jpg format so those of us without CAD software can see them?


----- Original Message -----
From: Paul S<mailto:wypaul2001@...>
To: Q-LIST@...<mailto:Q-LIST@...>
Sent: Tuesday, October 06, 2009 5:47 PM
Subject: [Q-LIST] Vortex Generator spacing templates


I have downloaded a couple of vortex generator templates for the GU canard. One with wide spacing and one with narrow spacing. I am using the wide spacing suggested by Keith Welsh that uses about 1/2 as many generators and it is doing the job very good.

http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Q-LIST/files/VG%20Templates/<http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Q-LIST/files/VG%20Templates/>

Paul














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Re: Made it home finally

Fisher Paul A. <fisherpaula@...>
 

I look forward to your report Jay. Hopefully it will inspire others (Alan) to finish their airplanes too.

Glad you made it home safely.

- Paul

From: Q-LIST@... [mailto:Q-LIST@...] On Behalf Of Jay Scheevel
Sent: Tuesday, October 06, 2009 22:44
To: Q-LIST@...
Subject: [Q-LIST] Made it home finally



... snip...

For now it looks pretty interesting.I'll keep you posted.

Cheers,

Jay


Re: Vortex Generator spacing templates

Paul Spackman
 

The reason for not providing the jpg is that it will not print to the proper size. There are several free readers available and then check the measurement, it should be 10 1/8" overall. I will change the files and add this measurement this evening. If all else fails contact me with a fax number and I will fax you a copy if you have the GU canard.

Paul

--- In Q-LIST@..., "HAROLD DIRKS" <hardot7776@...> wrote:

Paul,

How about converting these files to jpg format so those of us without CAD software can see them?


----- Original Message -----
From: Paul S<mailto:wypaul2001@...>
To: Q-LIST@...<mailto:Q-LIST@...>
Sent: Tuesday, October 06, 2009 5:47 PM
Subject: [Q-LIST] Vortex Generator spacing templates


I have downloaded a couple of vortex generator templates for the GU canard. One with wide spacing and one with narrow spacing. I am using the wide spacing suggested by Keith Welsh that uses about 1/2 as many generators and it is doing the job very good.

http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Q-LIST/files/VG%20Templates/<http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Q-LIST/files/VG%20Templates/>

Paul







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ERacerVinn@...
 

Our fuel efficiency contest at COPPERSTATE is moving ahead. Due to the
time limitation of weighing aircraft, entries will be limited to 25
airplanes. If you want to compete, please send me an e-mail to reserve your slot in
the competition.

Thanks,

For more info:

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Thanks,
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Made it home finally

Jay Scheevel <scheevel@...>
 

Hi guys,



I finally made it home today, and none too soon because it is my wife's
birthday. Spent two days weathered in at Canon City (west of Pueblo), but
did enjoy it because I got to hang out at the airport with some interesting
guys and I always bring my work along on my computer, so I actually got some
work done. I could have done without the two additional days of hotel,
though.



Thanks many times over to Doug for putting up such a great show and to all
of you guys who work so hard to bring your beautiful planes out to this
event. Your enthusiasm really inspires me (and Alan too).



During my layover in Canon City, I did a little reduction of the some of the
data that I gathered (with some help from everyone on all of your planes). I
will assemble a complete technical report, and will send a short advance
newsletter report to Doug, if he will let me know when he needs it to get it
into the next newsletter. I want to thank all the people who let me paw
over your plane. I also want to stress that, since all of the Q's I
measured are successfully flying and the pilots are not afraid to take them
cross country in challenging conditions, we must conclude that the
population of data I have gathered is a reasonable demonstration of
acceptable, minimum demonstrated ranges of airworthy tolerances. Just a few
early highlights: I gave up measuring all BL's on both sides after doing
several airplanes, in order for me to use the limited time to add more
aircraft to the sample, but the ones that I did measure (left versus right)
tell me that we can successfully fly with as much as 1 degree of incidence
difference between left and right wings. Of course this means a roll
tendency, but that can be successfully handled with rig and trim after the
fact. As far as wing to canard relative incidences, I do not have absolute
numbers, but it looks like the variation of relative incidences is almost 6
degrees. This is to say that if you hold the canard angle of incidence as
constant, then the range of incidences of the wings that I measured varies
by as much as 6 degrees from aircraft to aircraft. This is a much larger
range than I expected and once again indicates that a successfully flying Q
can has a large tolerance for relative angle of attack. I will be able to
comment more on this in a full article and hopefully correlate the numbers
with performance. I did not get a chance to measure Bruce Crain's (wing or
canard), Jon Finley's (wing or canard), Dave Dugas' (wing or canard) or Paul
Spackman's (canard), so there is plenty more to do. I will try to bring my
device to each fly-in and gather more data. For now it looks pretty
interesting.I'll keep you posted.



Cheers,

Jay


Re: Still out here!!!

Bruce Crain
 

CLOSE BUT NO CIGAR!
Sorry Jerry I couldn't resist. At least you had your entourage in place for plan B! That girl's gotta' love ya drivin' all that way and takin' such good care of you. Nice pick!
Bruce and Joanne

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