Listers,
Once again spring is approaching. I has been very nice here the last few days. I even committed aviation yesterday.
The Spring Fling is just 60 days hence. I have struck a deal with one motel in Decorah. The Country Inn & Suites has agreed to block 15 rooms for our fly in. Not cheap, however a very nice place. Includes a full breakfast, pool, exercise room etc. Enough with the commercial. The rate is $99.95 per weekend night, but I got it discounted to $85. The phone number is 563-382-9646.
Ask for the Tandem Wing Spring Fling rate. The room block will be held until filled, or the 10th of May. Their normal cancelation policy is 48 hours, again due to my excellent bargaining skills, our group can cancel as late as 6:00 PM date of arrival.
I know it's a bit pricy, but the whole town is that way.
There are other accommodations in DEH, and anyone can feel free to make their own reservations elsewhere. You will hurt my feelings not. Super 8 563-382-8771(so so), Heartland Inn 563-382-2269 (under some renovations), Hotel Winneshiek 563-382-4164 (VERY PRICY), Bluffs Inn (kinda dusty).
Camping of a primitive nature will be allowed on the airport grounds too.
I had told Day Yager that I would get the info up on a page at his site, but I am not going to be able to get that done. So if you need more info on these motels google it up yourself! ;>)))))
Get your reservations in and fly or drive to NE Iowa for a good time.
The Spring Fling, be there or be square!



Kevin Boddicker
TriQ 200 N7868B 157.8 hrs
Luana, IA.



P.S. Phil Christiansen, could you please forward this to the Dragonfly list?

Just want to say thanks to Charlie and Company for your comments -- Mike Perry

oneskydog@aol.com wrote:

Hi Jerry,

I discovered I didn't have the stiffeners over my canard until 300 hours, lucky me! Glad you saw it now. In my case, when I decided to switch from stock and build an LS1 Q200, I missed that part.

I have (2)3/16"T x 1 1-2"W (marine plywood)bi-directional glass covered stiffeners on the firewall running from fuselage (equally spaced)to mag box on both sides. Also(1)3/8"T x 2"W (white foam) bi-directional glass covered stiffeners running from spar (centered over carbon spar)to header tank both sides.

Regards,

Jim Q200 N46JP

Hi Jerry

There is a picture of my Q235 stiffeners in the G-BXOY photo album on this list, which are similar.

The plans Q200 are 1/8" aircraft grade ply two bid at 45 bias, 2"over lap to firewall.

I think if you trawl through Sam Hoskins Blog around picture 100_4451 to 100_4454 should tell you all you need to know. Sam's look like 1/4" so may be foam? Mine are foam and so either way should be OK.

This link if it works should get you close.

http://samhoskins.blogspot.com/search?updated-min=2008-01-01T00:00:00-08:00&updated-max=2009-01-01T00:00:00-08:00&max-results=50

Clive..........................gobxoy

Paul
 Iam using the Micro-Track all-in one. As I can move it to what every aircraft I fly. I wired it so I can use 12 volt power or battery pack.
Bob Clark

Nice, some 190 mph readings...
Mike Q200

Very cool Bob! Welcome to the world of APRS. What hardware are you using? Looks like you've got it working well! I used Sam's comments to get me started as well!.

Paul (http://aprs.fi/n18pf)



From: Q-LIST@yahoogroups.com [mailto:Q-LIST@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of robert clark
Sent: Sunday, March 14, 2010 16:49
To: Q-LIST@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [Q-LIST] APRS Tracking.



Went flying for the first time this spring. Had to wait for the ice block to melt in front of the hanger. Great to get back in the air!
I got to test my APRS tracker. This is a system that gives real time tracking so the wife can keep track of me on google APRS mapping.
Here is a great link for those wanting to learn more about APRS.

http://www.vansairforce.com/community/forumdisplay.php?f=104

Here is a link for todays flight to show what APRS does.

http://aprs.fi/?call=n817RC&mt=m&z=11&timerange=3600

As always keep building and stay safe.

Bob Clark
Tri-Q 200
N186RC
99 hours
Ankeny, Iowa

Hi Marko,

See message 35724 for the poll results earlier this year. The count of people on this list actively building a Q1 as of the end of January 2010 was 2.

Note the definitions of active/slow/dormant at the bottom of the above message.

Jon

Does anybody know how many Q1 are under (active) construction right now?

Marko

I used purple hi-grade marine grease on the metal parts, elevators, axels... and that messy carbon black stuff on the spark plugs.
Mike Q200

Hi everyone, I am new to this group and come with enthusiasm for the design. My dad built a Dragonfly when I was a kid. I am currently flying a Glastar that my dad and I built. My dad and I are currently building a Skybolt, and when that is done I want to build or re-build/finish a really hot Q-200. I would like to hang around the list and learn what I can while I look for the right deal on a project plane. If someone knows of a Q-200 project that is worth looking at, or a kit at a reasonable price I would love to know about it. I live in Pittsburgh, Pa. but I can get around for the right opportunity.
Todd Copeland

For a general spray lube I like Teflon based Tri-Flow. You can get it at
some hardware stores.

For years I used gray Anti-seize for my torque tubes and it worked just
fine. Kind of messy, though.

Sam







On Mon, Mar 15, 2010 at 4:45 PM, Mike Perry <dmperry1012@att.net> wrote:

Hello:

I was on the road last week, now reading back postings. The discussion
on WD-40 and Anti-Seize compounds caught my eye. I understand WD-40
(and many other petroleum based products) can prevent fiberglass
adhesion. I also know petroleum products can dissolve foam, and many
anti-seize products are petroleum based. Based n those issues, what is
the best product for our purposes? Do we use a different product around
foam (eg: torque tubes) and in front of the firewall (sparkplugs)?

Thanks for any ideas and esp. experience -- Mike Perry

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Hello:

I was on the road last week, now reading back postings. The discussion on WD-40 and Anti-Seize compounds caught my eye. I understand WD-40 (and many other petroleum based products) can prevent fiberglass adhesion. I also know petroleum products can dissolve foam, and many anti-seize products are petroleum based. Based n those issues, what is the best product for our purposes? Do we use a different product around foam (eg: torque tubes) and in front of the firewall (sparkplugs)?

Thanks for any ideas and esp. experience -- Mike Perry

I have, better late than never, realized that I need "vertical stiffners" on the inside of the firewall on my Q-200 project. There are no drawings, templates etc that came with my paperwork and short of spending $20. for a complete set of templates, can someone point me to a picture or description of what was called out in the Q-200 plans?

Thanks for your help.

Jerry Brinkerhuff Q-200 planning on flying it in 2010

Mike,
In my humble opinion, no WD-40 on my airplane, oil on linkages sparingly,
do not over grease bearings ( a little dab will do it, more will retain
heat. Dissimilar metal junctions a dab of anti-seize. Metals that gall Al, SS a
dab of anti-seize. No hydrocarbon spray over styro-foam cores even painted
ones. Soap designed for high end cars or airplanes. No Windex or ammonia
products on the canopy.

Bugs, mist with water/one drop soap, wait 2 mins, wipe with micro-fiber
cloths from Costco.

Regards,

Charlie Johnson

Ogden, UT

I had heard that WD-40 contains fish oil. Have also heard that if sprayed
on lures, it attracts fish too.

Jerry Brinkerhuff Q-200 Steadily building

Had enough yet? Don't re-elect anybody. Remember that the last 100 years
of American decline have been brought to you by Democrats and Republicans.
Think third party

I am thinking about selling mine as life has got in the way of life... (long story)

It is complete with two canopy (one clear the other smoked). I started putting the fuselage together and have all 4 parts together (need tape and glass on the inside - so you can 50% see the seams - which were very challenging to get right. Have a very stout build table and jigs for the fuselage and wings. I have all the plans (I donated the full size scanned plans to what you see on q-list site if you buy them (they are rearranged by the Dan (site owner and current president) to fit on E size paper))).

I have all the old news letters, original plans, and two copies (one soft). Foam has never been cut and I have all the hardware, loop main and nose wheel (minus the strut). Extra wheels and brakes for the original setup. Exhaust for O-200 and cowl.

I am located in Charlotte, NC. Make me an offer if your are really interested. I want to finish it and have no reason to sell it - other than to have someone else more able to finish it, do so.

M.

To: Q-LIST@yahoogroups.com
From: stevenshack@stevenshack.com
Date: Sun, 14 Mar 2010 15:09:50 -0800
Subject: Re: [Q-LIST] Re: Finley Power Failure - Cause- RWS mounting issues.




























First time poster, please excuse the intrusion. I am interested in finding an unstarted complete Q2 kit if anyone knows of one...



Reading through the details of the event I have one question to ask. Why

is the ECU not potted? I've worked with some military and radio hardware in the past

and every single bit that is expected to be in harsh conditions is potted.



I also question the use of D-connectors also when you can find easily available from a variety of sources.



On 2010-03-14, at 12:51 PM, Jon Finley wrote:

Clive,

As I have reported, this was clearly a builder error. I used lock nuts but

they were installed on a bolt that was too short, fell off, and caused the

problem.

I see no difference between doing what I did and incorrectly installing the

nuts on a connecting rod. When the rod/engine fails, you don't run out and

redesign the engine, you correct the assembly error.

In my opinion, this is NOT a safety issue. If you really want to improve

anything over what I did (excluding the error), install the EC2 in a

location that is not so hard to inspect. Mine is way up inside the hell

hole and is a real headache to inspect. In my opinion, this was the first

mistake that led to the error.

Jon

-----Original Message-----

From: Q-LIST@yahoogroups.com [mailto:Q-LIST@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf

Of Clive

Sent: Sunday, March 14, 2010 3:38 AM

To: Q-LIST@yahoogroups.com

Subject: [Q-LIST] Re: Finley Power Failure - Cause- RWS mounting

issues.

Hi Jon

I don't know if this has been sent in part, digit problem, so apologies

if this is part repeated.

http://www.rotaryaviation.com/pdf%20files/EC2AinstallRev2.pdf

<http://www.rotaryaviation.com/pdf%20files/EC2AinstallRev2.pdf> here

is a link to RWS sample instructions under the heading controller the

mounting is as you described.

This is a sample and Tracy does make it clear that there may be

changes.

However as this is a real safety issue for all RWS users, and you have

been honest in bringing it to Q-list subscribers attention.

We owe it to our fellow aviators to make Tracy aware so he can at least

amend the instructions if this has not already been done.

I have looked at the mounting methods for LSE/SDI and several other

makes and they all have external ears or similar.

It seems a bit strange to have to partially disassemble the unit to

mount?

Clive .............gobxoy

--

Steven



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Excellent Bob!!! You've done a great job with that TriQ 200! It shows! And I know you're enjoying the fruits of your labor! It's a great aircraft isn't it!
Bruce

Please note: message attached

From: robert clark <kr2flyer1986@yahoo.com>
To: Q-LIST@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [Q-LIST] APRS Tracking.
Date: Sun, 14 Mar 2010 14:48:49 -0700 (PDT)


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Glad to hear you got some flying in.

Kevin Boddicker
TriQ 200 N7868B 157 hrs
Luana, IA.



On Mar 14, 2010, at 5:47 PM, robert clark wrote:

--- On Sun, 3/14/10, robert clark <kr2flyer1986@yahoo.com> wrote:

From: robert clark <kr2flyer1986@yahoo.com>
Subject: APRS Tracking.
To: Q-LIST@yahoogroups.com
Date: Sunday, March 14, 2010, 5:48 PM
Went flying for the first time this
spring. Had to wait for the ice block to melt in front of
the hanger. Great to get back in the air!
I got to test my APRS tracker. This is a
system that gives real time tracking so the wife can keep
track of me on google APRS mapping.
Here is a great link for those wanting to learn more about
APRS.

http://www.vansairforce.com/community/forumdisplay.php?f=104

Here is a link for todays flight to show what APRS does.

http://aprs.fi/?call=n817RC&mt=m&z=11&timerange=3600

As always keep building and stay safe.

Bob Clark
Tri-Q 200
N186RC
99 hours
Ankeny, Iowa

[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

First time poster, please excuse the intrusion. I am interested in finding an unstarted complete Q2 kit if anyone knows of one...

Reading through the details of the event I have one question to ask. Why
is the ECU not potted? I've worked with some military and radio hardware in the past
and every single bit that is expected to be in harsh conditions is potted.

I also question the use of D-connectors also when you can find easily available from a variety of sources.


On 2010-03-14, at 12:51 PM, Jon Finley wrote:

Clive,

As I have reported, this was clearly a builder error. I used lock nuts but
they were installed on a bolt that was too short, fell off, and caused the
problem.

I see no difference between doing what I did and incorrectly installing the
nuts on a connecting rod. When the rod/engine fails, you don't run out and
redesign the engine, you correct the assembly error.

In my opinion, this is NOT a safety issue. If you really want to improve
anything over what I did (excluding the error), install the EC2 in a
location that is not so hard to inspect. Mine is way up inside the hell
hole and is a real headache to inspect. In my opinion, this was the first
mistake that led to the error.

Jon

-----Original Message-----
From: Q-LIST@yahoogroups.com [mailto:Q-LIST@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf
Of Clive
Sent: Sunday, March 14, 2010 3:38 AM
To: Q-LIST@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [Q-LIST] Re: Finley Power Failure - Cause- RWS mounting
issues.

Hi Jon
I don't know if this has been sent in part, digit problem, so apologies
if this is part repeated.
http://www.rotaryaviation.com/pdf%20files/EC2AinstallRev2.pdf
<http://www.rotaryaviation.com/pdf%20files/EC2AinstallRev2.pdf> here
is a link to RWS sample instructions under the heading controller the
mounting is as you described.
This is a sample and Tracy does make it clear that there may be
changes.
However as this is a real safety issue for all RWS users, and you have
been honest in bringing it to Q-list subscribers attention.
We owe it to our fellow aviators to make Tracy aware so he can at least
amend the instructions if this has not already been done.
I have looked at the mounting methods for LSE/SDI and several other
makes and they all have external ears or similar.
It seems a bit strange to have to partially disassemble the unit to
mount?
Clive .............gobxoy

--
Steven



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