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Re: FCC bans 121.5 ELTs starting in August

Steve <sham@...>
 

There goes $900.00 bucks!


Steve Ham

----- Original Message -----
From: "Sam Hoskins" <sam.hoskins@...>
Sent: Monday, June 21, 2010 7:24 PM
Subject: [Q-LIST] FCC bans 121.5 ELTs starting in August


*FCC BANS 121.5
ELTS<http://www.avweb.com/avwebflash/news/FCCBans1215ELTs_202760-1.html>
*
The Federal Communications Commission took the general aviation world by
surprise when it said in a recent
report<http://r20.rs6.net/tn.jsp?et=1103500294837&s=1458&e=001M6yc39mJFVF4-fVIt75XGecNDZbley9ii0QmGoSxeHCJrhR7Zni3UgFXolrO1ImXhsnHndlNQtzTcVcv-UIrwc5r-DKH4P6cT7Lgjv9vb9vjVF0VMtHoCV8SzrHwfoLJzAGEbN-bFISS27c1pfT5p35CZSVeilT-tZaFdBSkMYfxnqdWGTYCTQ==>it
will prohibit the sale or use of 121.5 MHz emergency locator
transmitters, effective in August. The Aircraft Electronics
Association said<http://aea.net/governmentaffairs/regulatoryupdates.asp?ID=42>it
just learned of the new rule today, and has begun working with the
FAA,
FCC and others to allow for timely compliance without grounding thousands of
general aviation aircraft. The 121.5 ELTs are allowed under FAA rules. The
FCC said its rules have been amended to "prohibit further certification,
manufacture, importation, sale or use of 121.5 MHz ELTs." The FCC says that
if the 121.5 units are no longer available, aircraft owners and operators
will "migrate" to the newer 406.0-406.1 MHz ELTs, which are monitored by
satellite, while the 121.5 frequency is not. "Were we to permit continued
marketing and use of 121.5 MHz ELTs ... it would engender the risk that
aircraft owners and operators would mistakenly rely on those ELTs for the
relay of distress alerts," the FCC says. AOPA said
today<http://www.aopa.org/advocacy/articles/2010/100621elt.html>it is
opposed to the rule change.
"The FCC is making a regulatory change that would impose an extra cost on GA
operators, without properly communicating with the industry or understanding
the implications of its action," said AOPA Vice President of Regulatory
Affairs Rob Hackman. "There is no FAA requirement to replace 121.5 MHz units
with 406 MHz technology. When two government agencies don't coordinate, GA
can suffer." The AEA said dealers should refrain from selling any new 121.5
MHz ELTs "until further understanding of this new prohibition can be
understood and a realistic timeline for transition can be established."






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FCC bans 121.5 ELTs starting in August

Sam Hoskins
 

*FCC BANS 121.5
ELTS<http://www.avweb.com/avwebflash/news/FCCBans1215ELTs_202760-1.html>
*
The Federal Communications Commission took the general aviation world by
surprise when it said in a recent
report<http://r20.rs6.net/tn.jsp?et=1103500294837&s=1458&e=001M6yc39mJFVF4-fVIt75XGecNDZbley9ii0QmGoSxeHCJrhR7Zni3UgFXolrO1ImXhsnHndlNQtzTcVcv-UIrwc5r-DKH4P6cT7Lgjv9vb9vjVF0VMtHoCV8SzrHwfoLJzAGEbN-bFISS27c1pfT5p35CZSVeilT-tZaFdBSkMYfxnqdWGTYCTQ==>it
will prohibit the sale or use of 121.5 MHz emergency locator
transmitters, effective in August. The Aircraft Electronics
Association said<http://aea.net/governmentaffairs/regulatoryupdates.asp?ID=42>it
just learned of the new rule today, and has begun working with the
FAA,
FCC and others to allow for timely compliance without grounding thousands of
general aviation aircraft. The 121.5 ELTs are allowed under FAA rules. The
FCC said its rules have been amended to "prohibit further certification,
manufacture, importation, sale or use of 121.5 MHz ELTs." The FCC says that
if the 121.5 units are no longer available, aircraft owners and operators
will "migrate" to the newer 406.0-406.1 MHz ELTs, which are monitored by
satellite, while the 121.5 frequency is not. "Were we to permit continued
marketing and use of 121.5 MHz ELTs ... it would engender the risk that
aircraft owners and operators would mistakenly rely on those ELTs for the
relay of distress alerts," the FCC says. AOPA said
today<http://www.aopa.org/advocacy/articles/2010/100621elt.html>it is
opposed to the rule change.
"The FCC is making a regulatory change that would impose an extra cost on GA
operators, without properly communicating with the industry or understanding
the implications of its action," said AOPA Vice President of Regulatory
Affairs Rob Hackman. "There is no FAA requirement to replace 121.5 MHz units
with 406 MHz technology. When two government agencies don't coordinate, GA
can suffer." The AEA said dealers should refrain from selling any new 121.5
MHz ELTs "until further understanding of this new prohibition can be
understood and a realistic timeline for transition can be established."






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Re: Calling the Livermore/Norcal gang....

Jim Patillo
 

Hi David,

Sorry I couldn't get back to you soooner. We've been out of the country for a couple of weeks. Did you get help or do you still need some?

Regards,
Jim Patillo
N46JP Q200

--- In Q-LIST@..., "davidjgall" <David@...> wrote:

Patillo/Thayer/Farnam/etc...?

Help rescue a Q2/200 airframe from the dumpster. I'm not sure it's even still available, but if it is, we need to do it this weekend. I'm waiting for a callback on whether it has been saved for us or met its demise, but if its not gone yet I'll need your help to retreive it.


David J. Gall
Re: Duct tape mess

Mike Dwyer <mdwyer@...>
 

I've used mineral spirits to remove both Duct tape and that yellow painters tape residue. I've also used it to wipe down things prior to painting so that is the way to go in my opinion.
Mike Q200 N3QP.

Paul S wrote:

The old standard, WD40, works but not the best choice for something that you will want to paint and use epoxy on so scraping and sanding would be my next choice :( .

I have been working on short landing so I can come into Mack Mesa and I have them down to 2000' with calm wind so I should be able to make it.

Paul

--- In Q-LIST@..., "Steve" <sham@...> wrote:

I WOULD NOT use MEK. My experience is that it will eat just about anything. Used to clean paint guns ect..I would not use Acetone either. Mineral sprits or lighter fluid would be a good place to start.

Steve Ham


----- Original Message -----
From: Jay Scheevel To: Q-list@... Sent: Saturday, June 19, 2010 9:23 PM
Subject: [Q-LIST] Duct tape mess


Hi Guys,

I have just unearthed my long-stored tail cone sections and I had long ago
cut, fit, and joined "temporarily" with duct tape. I have just removed the
tape and the predictable stickum is left there. I am looking for a safe way
to remove the stickum without damaging the shell layups or the urethane foam
underneath. Any good ideas before I try something wicked like MEK?

Cheers,

Jay Scheevel - Tri-Q, still building









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Re: Local foam source

Paul Spackman
 

Here is another source;

http://www.dockbuilders.com/styrofoambillets.htm

Paul

--- In Q-LIST@..., britmcman@... wrote:

Here is a link to some information on "extruded polystyrene foam" as
characterized by the following web site.

_http://www.marinefoam.com/styrofoam.html?page_type=flotation-foams&link_typ
e=image_
(http://www.marinefoam.com/styrofoam.html?page_type=flotation-foams&link_type=image)

Phil Lankford






In a message dated 6/19/2010 4:28:56 A.M. Pacific Daylight Time,
sam.hoskins@... writes:

Charlie is right on the money, per usual.

This thread seems to be drifting around and I'm not quite sure who is
actually looking for foam. The type of foam we use in the wings, vertical
fin, and control surfaces is Dow Styrofoam brand buoyancy billets. Over
the
years I have purchased it from Aircraft Spruce, Wicks, Cope Plastics, and
once even Sears. It normally comes in blocks 96" long x 10" or 12" thick
and is either orange or blue. A quick check seems to reveal that Aircraft
Spruce no longer carries it. My last purchase was from Wicks and they had
to order it for me.

Expanded polystyrene is absolutely the wrong stuff and will probably lead
to
death. It is recognizable by the characteristic little white beads that
are
formed as you break it apart. Also, the 1" thick Styrofoam seen at lumber
yards is also the wrong stuff and should not be used.


Sam Hoskins
Murphysboro, IL




On Sat, Jun 19, 2010 at 12:16 AM, <oneskydog@...> wrote:



Larry,

I think you got that wrong. If I recall expanded is the beads processed
by
steam expansion. Like coffee cups and coolers. It is no good

The extruded is the stuff it has a blowing agent in it that makes the
foam
cells.

Dock billets from Dow

Regards,

Charlie Johnson

Ogden, Utah


In a message dated 6/18/2010 4:47:38 P.M. Mountain Daylight Time,
larry2@... <larry2%40socal.rr.com> writes:

On 6/18/2010 2:31 PM, halfvw wrote:

Does the E in "EPS" stand for E-xtruded or E-xpanded? $30 is an
extremely good deal, maybe to good. They are on my list to call
Monday......
>
E-xpanded is pretty much useless for our uses.
>
The material shipped by QAC WAS expanded. Extruded would be solid and
HEAVY. I plan to be the first sucker for their foam. I will let the list
know about the result, but, notice, they have a $250 minimum order. If
you looked at my stated size, it was non standard for Q production.
However, if anyone wants to make a standard Q2 with the GU canard, I
have all of the foam pre cut beautifully. Pick it up and it is yours.

--
Larry Severson
18242 Peters Ct
Fountain Valley
CA 92708
(714) 968-9852

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Re: Duct tape mess

Steve <sham@...>
 

I WOULD NOT use MEK. My experience is that it will eat just about anything. Used to clean paint guns ect..I would not use Acetone either. Mineral sprits or lighter fluid would be a good place to start.

Steve Ham

----- Original Message -----
From: Jay Scheevel
To: Q-list@...
Sent: Saturday, June 19, 2010 9:23 PM
Subject: [Q-LIST] Duct tape mess



Hi Guys,

I have just unearthed my long-stored tail cone sections and I had long ago
cut, fit, and joined "temporarily" with duct tape. I have just removed the
tape and the predictable stickum is left there. I am looking for a safe way
to remove the stickum without damaging the shell layups or the urethane foam
underneath. Any good ideas before I try something wicked like MEK?

Cheers,

Jay Scheevel - Tri-Q, still building
(No subject)

Dr. Charley Rodriguez
 

Sent from this darn iPhone
Re: Duct tape mess

Robert Bounds
 

I would try alcohol or naphtha first, then maybe try acetone. The cured glass and urethane foam are impervious to short term exposure to all of these. Don't try this on any of the styrene foam parts. My money is on naphtha. (lighter fluid, Goof-Off, etc) MEK is pretty nasty stuff on you, probably won't hurt the plane. ;-)

Bounds

----- Original Message -----
From: Jay Scheevel
To: Q-list@...
Sent: Saturday, June 19, 2010 7:23 PM
Subject: [Q-LIST] Duct tape mess



Hi Guys,

I have just unearthed my long-stored tail cone sections and I had long ago
cut, fit, and joined "temporarily" with duct tape. I have just removed the
tape and the predictable stickum is left there. I am looking for a safe way
to remove the stickum without damaging the shell layups or the urethane foam
underneath. Any good ideas before I try something wicked like MEK?

Cheers,

Jay Scheevel - Tri-Q, still building
Duct tape mess

Jay Scheevel <scheevel@...>
 

Hi Guys,



I have just unearthed my long-stored tail cone sections and I had long ago
cut, fit, and joined "temporarily" with duct tape. I have just removed the
tape and the predictable stickum is left there. I am looking for a safe way
to remove the stickum without damaging the shell layups or the urethane foam
underneath. Any good ideas before I try something wicked like MEK?



Cheers,

Jay Scheevel - Tri-Q, still building
Re: Local foam source

Larry Severson
 

My description of EPS was wrong. You do need XPS. The EPS will work for my unique purpose. To find lots of XPS suppliers google "extruded polystyrene". Clark Foam, among others is there.

--
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18242 Peters Ct
Fountain Valley
CA 92708
(714) 968-9852
Re: Local foam source

britmcman99
 

Here is a link to some information on "extruded polystyrene foam" as
characterized by the following web site.

_http://www.marinefoam.com/styrofoam.html?page_type=flotation-foams&link_typ
e=image_
(http://www.marinefoam.com/styrofoam.html?page_type=flotation-foams&link_type=image)

Phil Lankford

In a message dated 6/19/2010 4:28:56 A.M. Pacific Daylight Time,
sam.hoskins@... writes:

Charlie is right on the money, per usual.

This thread seems to be drifting around and I'm not quite sure who is
actually looking for foam. The type of foam we use in the wings, vertical
fin, and control surfaces is Dow Styrofoam brand buoyancy billets. Over
the
years I have purchased it from Aircraft Spruce, Wicks, Cope Plastics, and
once even Sears. It normally comes in blocks 96" long x 10" or 12" thick
and is either orange or blue. A quick check seems to reveal that Aircraft
Spruce no longer carries it. My last purchase was from Wicks and they had
to order it for me.

Expanded polystyrene is absolutely the wrong stuff and will probably lead
to
death. It is recognizable by the characteristic little white beads that
are
formed as you break it apart. Also, the 1" thick Styrofoam seen at lumber
yards is also the wrong stuff and should not be used.


Sam Hoskins
Murphysboro, IL




On Sat, Jun 19, 2010 at 12:16 AM, <oneskydog@...> wrote:



Larry,

I think you got that wrong. If I recall expanded is the beads processed
by
steam expansion. Like coffee cups and coolers. It is no good

The extruded is the stuff it has a blowing agent in it that makes the
foam
cells.

Dock billets from Dow

Regards,

Charlie Johnson

Ogden, Utah


In a message dated 6/18/2010 4:47:38 P.M. Mountain Daylight Time,
larry2@... <larry2%40socal.rr.com> writes:

On 6/18/2010 2:31 PM, halfvw wrote:

Does the E in "EPS" stand for E-xtruded or E-xpanded? $30 is an
extremely good deal, maybe to good. They are on my list to call
Monday......
>
E-xpanded is pretty much useless for our uses.
>
The material shipped by QAC WAS expanded. Extruded would be solid and
HEAVY. I plan to be the first sucker for their foam. I will let the list
know about the result, but, notice, they have a $250 minimum order. If
you looked at my stated size, it was non standard for Q production.
However, if anyone wants to make a standard Q2 with the GU canard, I
have all of the foam pre cut beautifully. Pick it up and it is yours.

--
Larry Severson
18242 Peters Ct
Fountain Valley
CA 92708
(714) 968-9852

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Re: Local foam source

Sam Hoskins
 

Charlie is right on the money, per usual.

This thread seems to be drifting around and I'm not quite sure who is
actually looking for foam. The type of foam we use in the wings, vertical
fin, and control surfaces is Dow Styrofoam brand buoyancy billets. Over the
years I have purchased it from Aircraft Spruce, Wicks, Cope Plastics, and
once even Sears. It normally comes in blocks 96" long x 10" or 12" thick
and is either orange or blue. A quick check seems to reveal that Aircraft
Spruce no longer carries it. My last purchase was from Wicks and they had
to order it for me.

Expanded polystyrene is absolutely the wrong stuff and will probably lead to
death. It is recognizable by the characteristic little white beads that are
formed as you break it apart. Also, the 1" thick Styrofoam seen at lumber
yards is also the wrong stuff and should not be used.


Sam Hoskins
Murphysboro, IL

On Sat, Jun 19, 2010 at 12:16 AM, <oneskydog@...> wrote:



Larry,

I think you got that wrong. If I recall expanded is the beads processed by
steam expansion. Like coffee cups and coolers. It is no good

The extruded is the stuff it has a blowing agent in it that makes the foam
cells.

Dock billets from Dow

Regards,

Charlie Johnson

Ogden, Utah


In a message dated 6/18/2010 4:47:38 P.M. Mountain Daylight Time,
larry2@... <larry2%40socal.rr.com> writes:

On 6/18/2010 2:31 PM, halfvw wrote:

Does the E in "EPS" stand for E-xtruded or E-xpanded? $30 is an
extremely good deal, maybe to good. They are on my list to call
Monday......

E-xpanded is pretty much useless for our uses.
The material shipped by QAC WAS expanded. Extruded would be solid and
HEAVY. I plan to be the first sucker for their foam. I will let the list
know about the result, but, notice, they have a $250 minimum order. If
you looked at my stated size, it was non standard for Q production.
However, if anyone wants to make a standard Q2 with the GU canard, I
have all of the foam pre cut beautifully. Pick it up and it is yours.

--
Larry Severson
18242 Peters Ct
Fountain Valley
CA 92708
(714) 968-9852
Re: Local foam source seeadler 18 mail broken

britmcman99
 

Hello entire list. Sorry but need to talk to Seeadler18 and his
mailbox won't take my mail. So everybody stop reading (except
Seeadler18)

Yo Seeadler. I come up to the San Fran Bay Area often and can bring
the foam up if you like. Email me off list again with a working e
Ail address and or phone number and we can discuss.


Phil Lankford


On Jun 18, 2010, at 3:16 PM, larry severson <larry2@...> wrote:

On 6/18/2010 2:31 PM, halfvw wrote:

Does the E in "EPS" stand for E-xtruded or E-xpanded? $30 is an
extremely good deal, maybe to good. They are on my list to call
Monday......

E-xpanded is pretty much useless for our uses.
The material shipped by QAC WAS expanded. Extruded would be solid and
HEAVY. I plan to be the first sucker for their foam. I will let the
list
know about the result, but, notice, they have a $250 minimum order. If
you looked at my stated size, it was non standard for Q production.
However, if anyone wants to make a standard Q2 with the GU canard, I
have all of the foam pre cut beautifully. Pick it up and it is yours.

--
Larry Severson
18242 Peters Ct
Fountain Valley
CA 92708
(714) 968-9852




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Re: Local foam source

One Sky Dog
 

Larry,

I think you got that wrong. If I recall expanded is the beads processed by
steam expansion. Like coffee cups and coolers. It is no good

The extruded is the stuff it has a blowing agent in it that makes the foam
cells.

Dock billets from Dow

Regards,

Charlie Johnson

Ogden, Utah

In a message dated 6/18/2010 4:47:38 P.M. Mountain Daylight Time,
larry2@... writes:

On 6/18/2010 2:31 PM, halfvw wrote:

Does the E in "EPS" stand for E-xtruded or E-xpanded? $30 is an
extremely good deal, maybe to good. They are on my list to call
Monday......

E-xpanded is pretty much useless for our uses.
The material shipped by QAC WAS expanded. Extruded would be solid and
HEAVY. I plan to be the first sucker for their foam. I will let the list
know about the result, but, notice, they have a $250 minimum order. If
you looked at my stated size, it was non standard for Q production.
However, if anyone wants to make a standard Q2 with the GU canard, I
have all of the foam pre cut beautifully. Pick it up and it is yours.

--
Larry Severson
18242 Peters Ct
Fountain Valley
CA 92708
(714) 968-9852
Re: Local foam source

Larry Severson
 

On 6/18/2010 2:31 PM, halfvw wrote:

Does the E in "EPS" stand for E-xtruded or E-xpanded? $30 is an
extremely good deal, maybe to good. They are on my list to call
Monday......

E-xpanded is pretty much useless for our uses.
The material shipped by QAC WAS expanded. Extruded would be solid and
HEAVY. I plan to be the first sucker for their foam. I will let the list
know about the result, but, notice, they have a $250 minimum order. If
you looked at my stated size, it was non standard for Q production.
However, if anyone wants to make a standard Q2 with the GU canard, I
have all of the foam pre cut beautifully. Pick it up and it is yours.

--
Larry Severson
18242 Peters Ct
Fountain Valley
CA 92708
(714) 968-9852
Re: Local foam source

Rob de Bie
 

The standard designations are XPS and EPS respectively, with XPS much more expensive than EPS.

Rob

At 23:31 18-06-2010, you wrote:
Does the E in "EPS" stand for E-xtruded or E-xpanded? $30 is an extremely good deal, maybe to good. They are on my list to call Monday......

E-xpanded is pretty much useless for our uses.
==========
Leon

--- In Q-LIST@..., larry severson <larry2@...> wrote:

However, a billet of 2 lb EPS foam that was 8x30x48 inches would cost
$30. Direct contact is at * (410) 825-8300 or by email at
sales@... <mailto:sales@...>.*



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Re: Local foam source

Leon
 

Does the E in "EPS" stand for E-xtruded or E-xpanded? $30 is an extremely good deal, maybe to good. They are on my list to call Monday......

E-xpanded is pretty much useless for our uses.
==========
Leon

--- In Q-LIST@..., larry severson <larry2@...> wrote:

However, a billet of 2 lb EPS foam that was 8x30x48 inches would cost
$30. Direct contact is at * (410) 825-8300 or by email at
sales@... <mailto:sales@...>.*
Re: Local foam source

Larry Severson
 

Based on David Gall's lurk, I googled "insulated foam warehouses". I got
http://univfoam.com/ as a source. I contacted them and was told that
they can not only supply what you need, but can also supply the foam pre
cut to shapes when they have CAD templates. Their minimum order is $250.
However, a billet of 2 lb EPS foam that was 8x30x48 inches would cost
$30. Direct contact is at * (410) 825-8300 or by email at
sales@... <mailto:sales@...>.*

I have been stymied for over a year until the DG post. Thank you.

On 6/18/2010 11:07 AM, davidjgall wrote:

Rich,

I got mine from the local insulation supply warehouse. The blue foam
is Dow Styrofoam (large cell). I asked for taxidermy billets, got 8" x
16" x 108", coulda got bigger if I wanted them. The urethane foam is
sawn to order from a giant block, I got 1" x 48" x 96" sheets. The
Quickie plans (Q1) call for 2.0 pcf (pound per cubic foot) but they
also can supply 1.8 pcf and 1.6 pcf with almost the same physical
strength properties, if you wanna save weight.

Back to lurking,
--
Larry Severson
18242 Peters Ct
Fountain Valley
CA 92708
(714) 968-9852
Re: Local foam source

Leon
 

David:

Nice to see you still lurking - and I presume ready to pounce if one of us strays too far from reality <G>

In my part of the world I have discovered that the foam can also be ordered as "pipe insulation billets". Exactly the same stuff. The oil field and refineries seem to use lots of it.
=============
Leon

--- In Q-LIST@..., "davidjgall" <David@...> wrote:

Rich,

I got mine from the local insulation supply warehouse. The blue foam is Dow Styrofoam (large cell). I asked for taxidermy billets, got 8" x 16" x 108", coulda got bigger if I wanted them. The urethane foam is sawn to order from a giant block, I got 1" x 48" x 96" sheets. The Quickie plans (Q1) call for 2.0 pcf (pound per cubic foot) but they also can supply 1.8 pcf and 1.6 pcf with almost the same physical strength properties, if you wanna save weight.

Back to lurking,


DJG

--- In Q-LIST@..., Armilite@ wrote:

Hello:
<snip!>
Any good leads on where to buy the large foam blocks from today?

Rich
Ames


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Calling the Livermore/Norcal gang....

David J. Gall
 

Patillo/Thayer/Farnam/etc...?

Help rescue a Q2/200 airframe from the dumpster. I'm not sure it's even still available, but if it is, we need to do it this weekend. I'm waiting for a callback on whether it has been saved for us or met its demise, but if its not gone yet I'll need your help to retreive it.


David J. Gall
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