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Re: N240JS Inspection

Jim Patillo
 

Joseph,

The paper work proceedure and what you need for experimental certification is pretty clear. Like Sam said don't get to carried away with all this. Do what you need to get signed off. If the plane is not ready.........its not ready, if it is.......it is. Only you will know what his hot buttons are once you both meet.

Jim Patillo
N46JP Q200

P.S. If the inspector comes out and something is not to his liking, you fix it, get it signed off and move on to the next item. Pretty straight forward.

--- In Q-LIST@..., Joseph M Snow <1flashq@...> wrote:

Brett,
 
Good point.  However, by signing the Application for Airworthiness Certificate as an owner/builder, am I not declaring the aircraft to be airworthy?  So, I do not need to put such a statement in the A/C log.  Rather, the DAR writes that the A/C is eligible for Experimental Certificte.
 
Joseph

--- On Fri, 12/3/10, Brett Gerber <bgerber@...> wrote:


From: Brett Gerber <bgerber@...>
Subject: RE: [Q-LIST] N240JS Inspection
To: Q-LIST@...
Date: Friday, December 3, 2010, 8:29 AM


 



Just another thing with the FAA- Most of the time they are very picky with your “verbage�. Never will an Experimental Homebuilt Aircraft EVER be airworthy. When I was doing my A&P Oral and Practical I had the FAA sit in with my instructor to watch him. On a brake, the FAA (Doug Tape), asked me this questions. I was stumped and so was my instructor. Then Doug asked me what the definition of airworthy is: Must be in a safe condition for operation , and must meet its TCDS (Type Certificate Data Sheet). Experimental a/c do not have TCDS so never place Airworthy in any airframe log books for homebuilt.

When I had my Q- 2 inspected in May 2010, I almost didn’t get my A/W slip because of the data plate on my dual Mag. Any item w/ a PMA/FAA data plate has to have ALL AD’s researched and complied with. Luckily I had already done this and we used my program on my laptop so the FSDO guy could see that my AD list was current and correct. Also, he was picky on my Airspeed- I used Paint Markers to mark the instruments before test flights were done referencing what Quickie stated. My red mark on the A/S looked more like a range in his eyes so I had to use a razor blade and make the line thinner. Also, if your instruments are marked on the glass, make sure you have slip mark on the glass and instrument to ensure that the glass has not rotated.

My FSDO guy was very knowledgeable and helpful. He was an A&P/ IA before taking the position w/ the Indy FSDO.





Good luck



Brett Gerber

Ft. Wayne, IN

A&P

Canard Builder



Brett Douglas Gerber

D.O. McComb and Sons Funeral Homes

(260) 426- 9494



From: Q-LIST@... [mailto:Q-LIST@...] On Behalf Of Joseph M Snow
Sent: Thursday, December 02, 2010 8:36 PM
To: Q-LIST@...
Subject: RE: [Q-LIST] N240JS Inspection





I had some "bad" luck today....I decided to reschedule the FAA inspection. I do not want to go into details. I just could not sign a statement in the Aircrft log saying it was airworthy. Hopefully in two weeks....

Joseph

--- On Thu, 12/2/10, Fisher Paul A. <fisherpaula@... <mailto:fisherpaula%40johndeere.com> > wrote:

From: Fisher Paul A. <fisherpaula@... <mailto:fisherpaula%40johndeere.com> >
Subject: RE: [Q-LIST] N240JS Inspection
To: "Q-LIST@... <mailto:Q-LIST%40yahoogroups.com> " <Q-LIST@... <mailto:Q-LIST%40yahoogroups.com> >
Date: Thursday, December 2, 2010, 8:00 AM



(sorry Sam - one more data point)
On my last inspection (15 months ago) the FAA inspector (yes, FAA from the local FSDO) insisted that I have a compass. I asked for an explanation because I had a Dynon with the remote compass and he said I needed a direction indicator that worked if I lost electrical power. Again, I asked (politely) for him to please point to the regulations where this is stated. He tried, but could not find any such requirement, but "strongly suggested I have a compass". This conversation happened over the phone before the inspection.

So I went to Wal-Mart and bought a three dollar compass and stuck it to the dash with double sided tape. Problem solved. During the inspection he noticed that I did indeed have a compass and he let it go. I have no idea how accurate the compass is, I have never looked at it, nor do I intend to. That's not the point. The inspector wanted one, so I put it in.

So as Sam said - just buy a cheap compass, put a correction card on it and move on to the important stuff.

Good Luck Joseph, please keep us informed!

- Paul

-----Original Message-----
From: Q-LIST@... <mailto:Q-LIST%40yahoogroups.com> [mailto:Q-LIST@... <mailto:Q-LIST%40yahoogroups.com> ] On Behalf Of Sam Hoskins
Sent: Thursday, December 02, 2010 06:08
To: Q-LIST
Subject: Re: [Q-LIST] N240JS Inspection

Joseph, don't worry about it too much. Just get a compass card and stick it
on your panel. Write some numbers on it.

No worries.

When I had my inspection, the FAA examiner (yes, FAA) noted my compass card
with no numbers on it, and signed off the inspection.

Don't worry about it and let's not spend another 100 e-mails auguring the
point.

Sam Hoskins

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Re: Q1 on eBay. . .

quickheads
 

Someone must have retracted a bid. It was up to $2000 yesterday, but now it's showing $1500.

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Dan Yager
QBA Editor
www.quickheads.com

--- In Q-LIST@..., "quickheads" <dan@...> wrote:

Interesting trailering job. . . Yikes!

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Dan Yager
QBA Editor
www.quickheads.com


Re: N240JS Inspection

Joseph M Snow <1flashq@...>
 

Brett,
 
Good point.  However, by signing the Application for Airworthiness Certificate as an owner/builder, am I not declaring the aircraft to be airworthy?  So, I do not need to put such a statement in the A/C log.  Rather, the DAR writes that the A/C is eligible for Experimental Certificte.
 
Joseph

--- On Fri, 12/3/10, Brett Gerber <bgerber@...> wrote:


From: Brett Gerber <bgerber@...>
Subject: RE: [Q-LIST] N240JS Inspection
To: Q-LIST@...
Date: Friday, December 3, 2010, 8:29 AM


 



Just another thing with the FAA- Most of the time they are very picky with your “verbage”. Never will an Experimental Homebuilt Aircraft EVER be airworthy. When I was doing my A&P Oral and Practical I had the FAA sit in with my instructor to watch him. On a brake, the FAA (Doug Tape), asked me this questions. I was stumped and so was my instructor. Then Doug asked me what the definition of airworthy is: Must be in a safe condition for operation , and must meet its TCDS (Type Certificate Data Sheet). Experimental a/c do not have TCDS so never place Airworthy in any airframe log books for homebuilt.

When I had my Q- 2 inspected in May 2010, I almost didn’t get my A/W slip because of the data plate on my dual Mag. Any item w/ a PMA/FAA data plate has to have ALL AD’s researched and complied with. Luckily I had already done this and we used my program on my laptop so the FSDO guy could see that my AD list was current and correct. Also, he was picky on my Airspeed- I used Paint Markers to mark the instruments before test flights were done referencing what Quickie stated. My red mark on the A/S looked more like a range in his eyes so I had to use a razor blade and make the line thinner. Also, if your instruments are marked on the glass, make sure you have slip mark on the glass and instrument to ensure that the glass has not rotated.

My FSDO guy was very knowledgeable and helpful. He was an A&P/ IA before taking the position w/ the Indy FSDO.





Good luck



Brett Gerber

Ft. Wayne, IN

A&P

Canard Builder



Brett Douglas Gerber

D.O. McComb and Sons Funeral Homes

(260) 426- 9494



From: Q-LIST@... [mailto:Q-LIST@...] On Behalf Of Joseph M Snow
Sent: Thursday, December 02, 2010 8:36 PM
To: Q-LIST@...
Subject: RE: [Q-LIST] N240JS Inspection





I had some "bad" luck today....I decided to reschedule the FAA inspection. I do not want to go into details. I just could not sign a statement in the Aircrft log saying it was airworthy. Hopefully in two weeks....

Joseph

--- On Thu, 12/2/10, Fisher Paul A. <fisherpaula@... <mailto:fisherpaula%40johndeere.com> > wrote:

From: Fisher Paul A. <fisherpaula@... <mailto:fisherpaula%40johndeere.com> >
Subject: RE: [Q-LIST] N240JS Inspection
To: "Q-LIST@... <mailto:Q-LIST%40yahoogroups.com> " <Q-LIST@... <mailto:Q-LIST%40yahoogroups.com> >
Date: Thursday, December 2, 2010, 8:00 AM



(sorry Sam - one more data point)
On my last inspection (15 months ago) the FAA inspector (yes, FAA from the local FSDO) insisted that I have a compass. I asked for an explanation because I had a Dynon with the remote compass and he said I needed a direction indicator that worked if I lost electrical power. Again, I asked (politely) for him to please point to the regulations where this is stated. He tried, but could not find any such requirement, but "strongly suggested I have a compass". This conversation happened over the phone before the inspection.

So I went to Wal-Mart and bought a three dollar compass and stuck it to the dash with double sided tape. Problem solved. During the inspection he noticed that I did indeed have a compass and he let it go. I have no idea how accurate the compass is, I have never looked at it, nor do I intend to. That's not the point. The inspector wanted one, so I put it in.

So as Sam said - just buy a cheap compass, put a correction card on it and move on to the important stuff.

Good Luck Joseph, please keep us informed!

- Paul

-----Original Message-----
From: Q-LIST@... <mailto:Q-LIST%40yahoogroups.com> [mailto:Q-LIST@... <mailto:Q-LIST%40yahoogroups.com> ] On Behalf Of Sam Hoskins
Sent: Thursday, December 02, 2010 06:08
To: Q-LIST
Subject: Re: [Q-LIST] N240JS Inspection

Joseph, don't worry about it too much. Just get a compass card and stick it
on your panel. Write some numbers on it.

No worries.

When I had my inspection, the FAA examiner (yes, FAA) noted my compass card
with no numbers on it, and signed off the inspection.

Don't worry about it and let's not spend another 100 e-mails auguring the
point.

Sam Hoskins















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Re: 654*/ How is everything?

Bruce Crain
 

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---------- Original Message ----------
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To: rick.adam@...
Subject: [Q-LIST] 654*/ How is everything?
Date: Fri, 3 Dec 2010 21:20:52 +0800 (GMT+08:00)


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Re: N240JS Inspection

L.J. French <LJFrench@...>
 

However, the endorsement in my logbook references his issuance of an
"Airworthiness Certificate" :)

LJ French

-----Original Message-----
From: Q-LIST@... [mailto:Q-LIST@...] On Behalf Of
Brett Gerber
Sent: Friday, December 03, 2010 7:30 AM
To: Q-LIST@...
Subject: RE: [Q-LIST] N240JS Inspection

Just another thing with the FAA- Most of the time they are very picky with
your "verbage". Never will an Experimental Homebuilt Aircraft EVER be
airworthy. When I was doing my A&P Oral and Practical I had the FAA sit in
with my instructor to watch him. On a brake, the FAA (Doug Tape), asked me
this questions. I was stumped and so was my instructor. Then Doug asked me
what the definition of airworthy is: Must be in a safe condition for
operation , and must meet its TCDS (Type Certificate Data Sheet).
Experimental a/c do not have TCDS so never place Airworthy in any airframe
log books for homebuilt. When I had my Q- 2 inspected in May 2010, I almost
didn't get my A/W slip because of the data plate on my dual Mag. Any item w/
a PMA/FAA data plate has to have ALL AD's researched and complied with.
Luckily I had already done this and we used my program on my laptop so the
FSDO guy could see that my AD list was current and correct. Also, he was
picky on my Airspeed- I used Paint Markers to mark the instruments before
test flights were done referencing what Quickie stated. My red mark on the
A/S looked more like a range in his eyes so I had to use a razor blade and
make the line thinner. Also, if your instruments are marked on the glass,
make sure you have slip mark on the glass and instrument to ensure that the
glass has not rotated. My FSDO guy was very knowledgeable and helpful. He
was an A&P/ IA before taking the position w/ the Indy FSDO. Good luck
Brett Gerber Ft. Wayne, IN A&P Canard Builder Brett Douglas Gerber
D.O. McComb and Sons Funeral Homes (260) 426- 9494 From:
Q-LIST@... [mailto:Q-LIST@...] On Behalf Of Joseph M
Snow Sent: Thursday, December 02, 2010 8:36 PM To: Q-LIST@...
Subject: RE: [Q-LIST] N240JS Inspection I had some "bad" luck
today....I decided to reschedule the FAA inspection. I do not want to go
into details. I just could not sign a statement in the Aircrft log saying
it was airworthy. Hopefully in two weeks.... Joseph --- On Thu, 12/2/10,
Fisher Paul A. <fisherpaula@...
<mailto:fisherpaula%40johndeere.com> > wrote: From: Fisher Paul A.
<fisherpaula@... <mailto:fisherpaula%40johndeere.com> > Subject:
RE: [Q-LIST] N240JS Inspection To: "Q-LIST@...
<mailto:Q-LIST%40yahoogroups.com> " <Q-LIST@...
<mailto:Q-LIST%40yahoogroups.com> > Date: Thursday, December 2, 2010, 8:00
AM (sorry Sam - one more data point) On my last inspection (15 months
ago) the FAA inspector (yes, FAA from the local FSDO) insisted that I have a
compass. I asked for an explanation because I had a Dynon with the remote
compass and he said I needed a direction indicator that worked if I lost
electrical power. Again, I asked (politely) for him to please point to the
regulations where this is stated. He tried, but could not find any such
requirement, but "strongly suggested I have a compass". This conversation
happened over the phone before the inspection. So I went to Wal-Mart and
bought a three dollar compass and stuck it to the dash with double sided
tape. Problem solved. During the inspection he noticed that I did indeed
have a compass and he let it go. I have no idea how accurate the compass is,
I have never looked at it, nor do I intend to. That's not the point. The
inspector wanted one, so I put it in. So as Sam said - just buy a cheap
compass, put a correction card on it and move on to the important stuff.
Good Luck Joseph, please keep us informed! - Paul -----Original
Message----- From: Q-LIST@... <mailto:Q-LIST%40yahoogroups.com>
[mailto:Q-LIST@... <mailto:Q-LIST%40yahoogroups.com> ] On Behalf
Of Sam Hoskins Sent: Thursday, December 02, 2010 06:08 To: Q-LIST Subject:
Re: [Q-LIST] N240JS Inspection Joseph, don't worry about it too much. Just
get a compass card and stick it on your panel. Write some numbers on it. No
worries. When I had my inspection, the FAA examiner (yes, FAA) noted my
compass card with no numbers on it, and signed off the inspection. Don't
worry about it and let's not spend another 100 e-mails auguring the point.
Sam Hoskins





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Re: N240JS Inspection

Brett Gerber <bgerber@...>
 

Just another thing with the FAA- Most of the time they are very picky with your “verbage”. Never will an Experimental Homebuilt Aircraft EVER be airworthy. When I was doing my A&P Oral and Practical I had the FAA sit in with my instructor to watch him. On a brake, the FAA (Doug Tape), asked me this questions. I was stumped and so was my instructor. Then Doug asked me what the definition of airworthy is: Must be in a safe condition for operation , and must meet its TCDS (Type Certificate Data Sheet). Experimental a/c do not have TCDS so never place Airworthy in any airframe log books for homebuilt.

When I had my Q- 2 inspected in May 2010, I almost didn’t get my A/W slip because of the data plate on my dual Mag. Any item w/ a PMA/FAA data plate has to have ALL AD’s researched and complied with. Luckily I had already done this and we used my program on my laptop so the FSDO guy could see that my AD list was current and correct. Also, he was picky on my Airspeed- I used Paint Markers to mark the instruments before test flights were done referencing what Quickie stated. My red mark on the A/S looked more like a range in his eyes so I had to use a razor blade and make the line thinner. Also, if your instruments are marked on the glass, make sure you have slip mark on the glass and instrument to ensure that the glass has not rotated.

My FSDO guy was very knowledgeable and helpful. He was an A&P/ IA before taking the position w/ the Indy FSDO.





Good luck



Brett Gerber

Ft. Wayne, IN

A&P

Canard Builder



Brett Douglas Gerber

D.O. McComb and Sons Funeral Homes

(260) 426- 9494



From: Q-LIST@... [mailto:Q-LIST@...] On Behalf Of Joseph M Snow
Sent: Thursday, December 02, 2010 8:36 PM
To: Q-LIST@...
Subject: RE: [Q-LIST] N240JS Inspection





I had some "bad" luck today....I decided to reschedule the FAA inspection. I do not want to go into details. I just could not sign a statement in the Aircrft log saying it was airworthy. Hopefully in two weeks....

Joseph

--- On Thu, 12/2/10, Fisher Paul A. <fisherpaula@... <mailto:fisherpaula%40johndeere.com> > wrote:

From: Fisher Paul A. <fisherpaula@... <mailto:fisherpaula%40johndeere.com> >
Subject: RE: [Q-LIST] N240JS Inspection
To: "Q-LIST@... <mailto:Q-LIST%40yahoogroups.com> " <Q-LIST@... <mailto:Q-LIST%40yahoogroups.com> >
Date: Thursday, December 2, 2010, 8:00 AM



(sorry Sam - one more data point)
On my last inspection (15 months ago) the FAA inspector (yes, FAA from the local FSDO) insisted that I have a compass. I asked for an explanation because I had a Dynon with the remote compass and he said I needed a direction indicator that worked if I lost electrical power. Again, I asked (politely) for him to please point to the regulations where this is stated. He tried, but could not find any such requirement, but "strongly suggested I have a compass". This conversation happened over the phone before the inspection.

So I went to Wal-Mart and bought a three dollar compass and stuck it to the dash with double sided tape. Problem solved. During the inspection he noticed that I did indeed have a compass and he let it go. I have no idea how accurate the compass is, I have never looked at it, nor do I intend to. That's not the point. The inspector wanted one, so I put it in.

So as Sam said - just buy a cheap compass, put a correction card on it and move on to the important stuff.

Good Luck Joseph, please keep us informed!

- Paul

-----Original Message-----
From: Q-LIST@... <mailto:Q-LIST%40yahoogroups.com> [mailto:Q-LIST@... <mailto:Q-LIST%40yahoogroups.com> ] On Behalf Of Sam Hoskins
Sent: Thursday, December 02, 2010 06:08
To: Q-LIST
Subject: Re: [Q-LIST] N240JS Inspection

Joseph, don't worry about it too much. Just get a compass card and stick it
on your panel. Write some numbers on it.

No worries.

When I had my inspection, the FAA examiner (yes, FAA) noted my compass card
with no numbers on it, and signed off the inspection.

Don't worry about it and let's not spend another 100 e-mails auguring the
point.

Sam Hoskins


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David Posey <dlposey-atlanta@...>
 

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Good luck to you!
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Re: N240JS Inspection

Joseph M Snow <1flashq@...>
 

Hi Rick,
 
I installed a compass today.  The local A&P's say the taxiway next to the hangars is N/S.
 
So, I will acquire some numbers with a compass and the taxiway.
 
Joseph

--- On Thu, 12/2/10, Rick Hole <r.hole@...> wrote:


From: Rick Hole <r.hole@...>
Subject: RE: [Q-LIST] N240JS Inspection
To: Q-LIST@...
Date: Thursday, December 2, 2010, 10:02 PM


 



As the guys say, you can put on a compass card with bogus numbers, but I am
thinking not to put something in the plane knowing it is wrong. Who knows,
some day you might experience multiple systems failure and that little
compass will be there to save your bacon. Even if you "never" look at it,
there may come a time when you will.

So I suggest you take a few minutes and swing the compass, make the
correction card, and post it.

You can do it without a compass rose. A good Boy Scout compass will get you
close enough. Walk around the site with the Boy Scout compass looking for
any sudden changes and if so, try a different site. Use that to calibrate
your "whiskey" compass and your Dynon. The Dynon is easy enough, I have
done it many times.

What you are doing is calibrating the compass readings for the innacuracies
caused by various bits of ferrous metals in the plane. Just entering the
factors for lat/long is only half the battle!

Rick H

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From: Q-LIST@... [mailto:Q-LIST@...] On Behalf Of
Joseph M Snow
Sent: Wednesday, December 01, 2010 11:57 PM
To: Q-LIST@...
Subject: Re: [Q-LIST] N240JS Inspection

Mike,
I have a Dynon EFIS-D10 with a remote, electronic compass. There are
calibration procedures, but you need to be at an airport which has a compass
rose. I am not allowed to fly as yet. The compass declination was set by
Longitude/latitude which enables a magnetic variation correction to the
compass factory preset. Is this adequate?

Joseph

--- On Wed, 12/1/10, Mike Dwyer <mdwyer@...
<mailto:mdwyer%40tampabay.rr.com> > wrote:

From: Mike Dwyer <mdwyer@... <mailto:mdwyer%40tampabay.rr.com> >
Subject: Re: [Q-LIST] N240JS Inspection
To: Q-LIST@... <mailto:Q-LIST%40yahoogroups.com>
Date: Wednesday, December 1, 2010, 5:20 PM

Don't forget to have your compass correction card stuck to the dash.
They seem to look for that as we often forget about it.
Mike Q200

Terry Adams wrote:
Joseph,
A milestone.
Hope all goes well.
Check and double check, if possible borrow another pair of eyes.
Dot your "t"s and cross your "i"s.
I have had planes inspected by FSDO and it usually seems more time is
spent looking over the paperwork..
Albeit the inspector's signature is on the paperwork, your butt is in
the airplane.

Terry Adams

Joseph M Snow wrote:





Heads up...

FAA Inspection for N240JS is scheduled for December 12!!

Joseph

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Re: Inspections/Inspectors

Rick Hole
 

The DAR I deal with tells us that the FAA has insisted they become more
detailed, especially in documenting the amateur built status. So they
really want photos taken during the construction process showing the builder
actually building (they'll get suspicious if you wear the same shirt on all
the photos) and may ask a few questions about some construction item. The
person who built the plane has no trouble answering.



But mostly they want the paper work done precisely correct. Little things
like having the info on the data plate exactly to match the registration,
and the data plate displayed in the proper place (in olden times you could
stick them anywhere). "Experimental" sticker the right size and placement.
Everything on the panel labeled. Especially the Passenger Warning sticker.



A recent emphasis is to see seats and seatbelts installed for the number of
places in the paperwork. Can't leave out the rear seats for a 4-place or
they will change you to a 2-place pending modification of paperwork.



Basically, if you have the paperwork right, the plane ready to fly, you can
expect things to go well. The DAR is not there to fail your project. You
might want to have a pot of good coffee brewed :-)



I counsel builders not to go right out and fly the plane that same day.
After you have the "birth certificate" go back and do a very thorough
inspection as if you are going to fly the plane (which you are.) and do not
pressure yourself. Wait for the calm down-the-runway breeze and try not to
have an audience that will tempt you to "get it done" too early. The less
observers, the less pressure you will feel.



I like to take video of the runway hops and first flight. You can get a lot
of data from them, and it makes a good keep-sake.



Rick



_____

From: Q-LIST@... [mailto:Q-LIST@...] On Behalf Of
Michael Hilderbrand
Sent: Thursday, December 02, 2010 10:55 PM
To: Q-LIST@...
Subject: Re: [Q-LIST] Inspections/Inspectors





My FSDO inspector seemed to look at the following more than anything else:
Paper
work (big one), nuts and bolts politically correct - safety pins if
required, controls are rigged correct - stick left:left aileron goes up,
LIMITS
on gauges and airspeeds marked (even though you have yet to fly the thing to

figure those number out!) (They passed my blinking red idiot light on my EIS
as
my "limit" indicator.), make sure no gas lines go over electrical wires, and

seat belts work properly.

Couple more things: One inspection they wanted me to start the
engine, other inspection (two airplanes) they did not have me start it.

AND I did not have a compass on my panel. I did go to Walmart and buy one
after
the inspection for my own comfort.

From what I hear, it seems DARs are a little more hardcore about the
inspection, along with being strong-minded in what they want, regardless
what
the regs say.

Michael Hilderbrand
Derby, Kansas
Sonex #1017 Flying
Jabiru 3300 w/ Aerocarb
Http://www.kansasflying.com

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From: "JMasal@... <mailto:JMasal%40aol.com> " <JMasal@...
<mailto:JMasal%40aol.com> >
To: Q-LIST@... <mailto:Q-LIST%40yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Thu, December 2, 2010 9:50:11 AM
Subject: Re: [Q-LIST] Inspections/Inspectors



Now here's the scary part: FAA inspectors are HUMAN (they all have different

axes to grind) and they are Gummint employees (some wear Jackboots if you
get my
drift). I once worked for a company that made approved plastic parts for
Cessnas
and Pipers. Approval required detailed drawings sent to FAA engineering and,
if
blessed, followed by an on site inspection to see that the production part
matched the drawing and it fit on the aircraft make and model. We made many
different parts and sold thousands.
Due to a loooong history with a couple engineers and inspectors who knew who
we
were and our manufacturing quality control our parts approval was tedious
but
only a little frustrating. Once upon a time the engineering dept. head died
and
a woman engineer (equal opportunity program)

was brought in from back east. Suddenly the game changed.
There is a small exit hole for rudder cables on the aft fuselage side of SE
Cessnas. It is covered by a bulged out small plastic triangle to keep out
the
rain. We made it identical to Cessna's and in 7 months I hadn't gotten it
approved before I left. I ain't speculating why, but you can.

The SW Region FAA became a pain in the ass to get PMA approvals while up
around
the Indiana area (I guess Great Lakes FAA) our manufacturing friends were
getting far more complex parts approved with far less fussiness.

So... if an inspector asks for some easy something, be polite, as Paul
sez...
even POLITELY
question his knowlege of the regs, but dont give him attitude or piss him
off.
You can make an end run around him but you wont like the time and
frustration it
takes.

jim

-----Original Message-----
From: Fisher Paul A. <fisherpaula@...
<mailto:fisherpaula%40johndeere.com> >
To: Q-LIST <Q-LIST@... <mailto:Q-LIST%40yahoogroups.com> >
Sent: Thu, Dec 2, 2010 7:01 am
Subject: RE: [Q-LIST] N240JS Inspection

(sorry Sam - one more data point)
On my last inspection (15 months ago) the FAA inspector (yes, FAA from the
local
FSDO) insisted that I have a compass. I asked for an explanation because I
had a
Dynon with the remote compass and he said I needed a direction indicator
that
worked if I lost electrical power. Again, I asked (politely) for him to
please
point to the regulations where this is stated. He tried, but could not find
any
such requirement, but "strongly suggested I have a compass". This
conversation
happened over the phone before the inspection.

So I went to Wal-Mart and bought a three dollar compass and stuck it to the
dash
with double sided tape. Problem solved. During the inspection he noticed
that I
did indeed have a compass and he let it go. I have no idea how accurate the
compass is, I have never looked at it, nor do I intend to. That's not the
point.
The inspector wanted one, so I put it in.

So as Sam said - just buy a cheap compass, put a correction card on it and
move
on to the important stuff.

Good Luck Joseph, please keep us informed!

- Paul

-----Original Message-----
From: Q-LIST@... <mailto:Q-LIST%40yahoogroups.com>
[mailto:Q-LIST@... <mailto:Q-LIST%40yahoogroups.com> ] On Behalf
Of Sam
Hoskins
Sent: Thursday, December 02, 2010 06:08
To: Q-LIST
Subject: Re: [Q-LIST] N240JS Inspection

Joseph, don't worry about it too much. Just get a compass card and stick it
on your panel. Write some numbers on it.

No worries.

When I had my inspection, the FAA examiner (yes, FAA) noted my compass card
with no numbers on it, and signed off the inspection.

Don't worry about it and let's not spend another 100 e-mails auguring the
point.

Sam Hoskins


Re: Inspections/Inspectors

Michael Hilderbrand <m_hilderbrand@...>
 

My FSDO inspector seemed to look at the following more than anything else: Paper
work (big one), nuts and bolts politically correct - safety pins if
required, controls are rigged correct - stick left:left aileron goes up, LIMITS
on gauges and airspeeds marked (even though you have yet to fly the thing to
figure those number out!) (They passed my blinking red idiot light on my EIS as
my "limit" indicator.), make sure no gas lines go over electrical wires, and
seat belts work properly. 


Couple more things:  One inspection they wanted me to start the
engine, other inspection (two airplanes) they did not have me start it.  

AND I did not have a compass on my panel. I did go to Walmart and buy one after
the inspection for my own comfort.


From what I hear, it seems DARs are a little more hardcore about the
inspection, along with being strong-minded in what they want, regardless what
the regs say.  



Michael Hilderbrand
Derby, Kansas
Sonex #1017 Flying
Jabiru 3300 w/ Aerocarb
Http://www.kansasflying.com




________________________________
From: "JMasal@..." <JMasal@...>
To: Q-LIST@...
Sent: Thu, December 2, 2010 9:50:11 AM
Subject: Re: [Q-LIST] Inspections/Inspectors

 

Now here's the scary part: FAA inspectors are HUMAN (they all have different
axes to grind) and they are Gummint employees (some wear Jackboots if you get my
drift). I once worked for a company that made approved plastic parts for Cessnas
and Pipers. Approval required detailed drawings sent to FAA engineering and, if
blessed, followed by an on site inspection to see that the production part
matched the drawing and it fit on the aircraft make and model. We made many
different parts and sold thousands.
Due to a loooong history with a couple engineers and inspectors who knew who we
were and our manufacturing quality control our parts approval was tedious but
only a little frustrating. Once upon a time the engineering dept. head died and
a woman engineer (equal opportunity program)

was brought in from back east. Suddenly the game changed.
There is a small exit hole for rudder cables on the aft fuselage side of SE
Cessnas. It is covered by a bulged out small plastic triangle to keep out the
rain. We made it identical to Cessna's and in 7 months I hadn't gotten it
approved before I left. I ain't speculating why, but you can.

The SW Region FAA became a pain in the ass to get PMA approvals while up around
the Indiana area (I guess Great Lakes FAA) our manufacturing friends were
getting far more complex parts approved with far less fussiness.

So... if an inspector asks for some easy something, be polite, as Paul sez...
even POLITELY
question his knowlege of the regs, but dont give him attitude or piss him off.
You can make an end run around him but you wont like the time and frustration it
takes.

jim

-----Original Message-----
From: Fisher Paul A. <fisherpaula@...>
To: Q-LIST <Q-LIST@...>
Sent: Thu, Dec 2, 2010 7:01 am
Subject: RE: [Q-LIST] N240JS Inspection

(sorry Sam - one more data point)
On my last inspection (15 months ago) the FAA inspector (yes, FAA from the local
FSDO) insisted that I have a compass. I asked for an explanation because I had a
Dynon with the remote compass and he said I needed a direction indicator that
worked if I lost electrical power. Again, I asked (politely) for him to please
point to the regulations where this is stated. He tried, but could not find any
such requirement, but "strongly suggested I have a compass". This conversation
happened over the phone before the inspection.

So I went to Wal-Mart and bought a three dollar compass and stuck it to the dash
with double sided tape. Problem solved. During the inspection he noticed that I
did indeed have a compass and he let it go. I have no idea how accurate the
compass is, I have never looked at it, nor do I intend to. That's not the point.
The inspector wanted one, so I put it in.

So as Sam said - just buy a cheap compass, put a correction card on it and move
on to the important stuff.


Good Luck Joseph, please keep us informed!

- Paul

-----Original Message-----
From: Q-LIST@... [mailto:Q-LIST@...] On Behalf Of Sam
Hoskins
Sent: Thursday, December 02, 2010 06:08
To: Q-LIST
Subject: Re: [Q-LIST] N240JS Inspection

Joseph, don't worry about it too much. Just get a compass card and stick it
on your panel. Write some numbers on it.

No worries.

When I had my inspection, the FAA examiner (yes, FAA) noted my compass card
with no numbers on it, and signed off the inspection.

Don't worry about it and let's not spend another 100 e-mails auguring the
point.

Sam Hoskins

[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]




[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]


Re: N240JS Inspection

Rick Hole
 

As the guys say, you can put on a compass card with bogus numbers, but I am
thinking not to put something in the plane knowing it is wrong. Who knows,
some day you might experience multiple systems failure and that little
compass will be there to save your bacon. Even if you "never" look at it,
there may come a time when you will.



So I suggest you take a few minutes and swing the compass, make the
correction card, and post it.



You can do it without a compass rose. A good Boy Scout compass will get you
close enough. Walk around the site with the Boy Scout compass looking for
any sudden changes and if so, try a different site. Use that to calibrate
your "whiskey" compass and your Dynon. The Dynon is easy enough, I have
done it many times.



What you are doing is calibrating the compass readings for the innacuracies
caused by various bits of ferrous metals in the plane. Just entering the
factors for lat/long is only half the battle!



Rick H



_____

From: Q-LIST@... [mailto:Q-LIST@...] On Behalf Of
Joseph M Snow
Sent: Wednesday, December 01, 2010 11:57 PM
To: Q-LIST@...
Subject: Re: [Q-LIST] N240JS Inspection







Mike,
I have a Dynon EFIS-D10 with a remote, electronic compass. There are
calibration procedures, but you need to be at an airport which has a compass
rose. I am not allowed to fly as yet. The compass declination was set by
Longitude/latitude which enables a magnetic variation correction to the
compass factory preset. Is this adequate?

Joseph

--- On Wed, 12/1/10, Mike Dwyer <mdwyer@...
<mailto:mdwyer%40tampabay.rr.com> > wrote:

From: Mike Dwyer <mdwyer@... <mailto:mdwyer%40tampabay.rr.com> >
Subject: Re: [Q-LIST] N240JS Inspection
To: Q-LIST@... <mailto:Q-LIST%40yahoogroups.com>
Date: Wednesday, December 1, 2010, 5:20 PM



Don't forget to have your compass correction card stuck to the dash.
They seem to look for that as we often forget about it.
Mike Q200

Terry Adams wrote:
Joseph,
A milestone.
Hope all goes well.
Check and double check, if possible borrow another pair of eyes.
Dot your "t"s and cross your "i"s.
I have had planes inspected by FSDO and it usually seems more time is
spent looking over the paperwork..
Albeit the inspector's signature is on the paperwork, your butt is in
the airplane.

Terry Adams

Joseph M Snow wrote:





Heads up...

FAA Inspection for N240JS is scheduled for December 12!!

Joseph


Re: N240JS Inspection

Joseph M Snow <1flashq@...>
 

I had some "bad" luck today....I decided to reschedule the FAA inspection.  I do not want to go into details.  I just could not sign a statement in the Aircrft  log saying it was airworthy.  Hopefully in two weeks....
 
Joseph

--- On Thu, 12/2/10, Fisher Paul A. <fisherpaula@...> wrote:


From: Fisher Paul A. <fisherpaula@...>
Subject: RE: [Q-LIST] N240JS Inspection
To: "Q-LIST@..." <Q-LIST@...>
Date: Thursday, December 2, 2010, 8:00 AM


 



(sorry Sam - one more data point)
On my last inspection (15 months ago) the FAA inspector (yes, FAA from the local FSDO) insisted that I have a compass. I asked for an explanation because I had a Dynon with the remote compass and he said I needed a direction indicator that worked if I lost electrical power. Again, I asked (politely) for him to please point to the regulations where this is stated. He tried, but could not find any such requirement, but "strongly suggested I have a compass". This conversation happened over the phone before the inspection.

So I went to Wal-Mart and bought a three dollar compass and stuck it to the dash with double sided tape. Problem solved. During the inspection he noticed that I did indeed have a compass and he let it go. I have no idea how accurate the compass is, I have never looked at it, nor do I intend to. That's not the point. The inspector wanted one, so I put it in.

So as Sam said - just buy a cheap compass, put a correction card on it and move on to the important stuff.

Good Luck Joseph, please keep us informed!

- Paul

-----Original Message-----
From: Q-LIST@... [mailto:Q-LIST@...] On Behalf Of Sam Hoskins
Sent: Thursday, December 02, 2010 06:08
To: Q-LIST
Subject: Re: [Q-LIST] N240JS Inspection

Joseph, don't worry about it too much. Just get a compass card and stick it
on your panel. Write some numbers on it.

No worries.

When I had my inspection, the FAA examiner (yes, FAA) noted my compass card
with no numbers on it, and signed off the inspection.

Don't worry about it and let's not spend another 100 e-mails auguring the
point.

Sam Hoskins


Re: Inspections/Inspectors

JMasal@...
 

Now here's the scary part: FAA inspectors are HUMAN (they all have different axes to grind) and they are Gummint employees (some wear Jackboots if you get my drift). I once worked for a company that made approved plastic parts for Cessnas and Pipers. Approval required detailed drawings sent to FAA engineering and, if blessed, followed by an on site inspection to see that the production part matched the drawing and it fit on the aircraft make and model. We made many different parts and sold thousands.
Due to a loooong history with a couple engineers and inspectors who knew who we were and our manufacturing quality control our parts approval was tedious but only a little frustrating. Once upon a time the engineering dept. head died and a woman engineer (equal opportunity program)
was brought in from back east. Suddenly the game changed.
There is a small exit hole for rudder cables on the aft fuselage side of SE Cessnas. It is covered by a bulged out small plastic triangle to keep out the rain. We made it identical to Cessna's and in 7 months I hadn't gotten it approved before I left. I ain't speculating why, but you can.

The SW Region FAA became a pain in the ass to get PMA approvals while up around the Indiana area (I guess Great Lakes FAA) our manufacturing friends were getting far more complex parts approved with far less fussiness.

So... if an inspector asks for some easy something, be polite, as Paul sez... even POLITELY
question his knowlege of the regs, but dont give him attitude or piss him off. You can make an end run around him but you wont like the time and frustration it takes.

jim

-----Original Message-----
From: Fisher Paul A. <fisherpaula@...>
To: Q-LIST <Q-LIST@...>
Sent: Thu, Dec 2, 2010 7:01 am
Subject: RE: [Q-LIST] N240JS Inspection




(sorry Sam - one more data point)
On my last inspection (15 months ago) the FAA inspector (yes, FAA from the local FSDO) insisted that I have a compass. I asked for an explanation because I had a Dynon with the remote compass and he said I needed a direction indicator that worked if I lost electrical power. Again, I asked (politely) for him to please point to the regulations where this is stated. He tried, but could not find any such requirement, but "strongly suggested I have a compass". This conversation happened over the phone before the inspection.

So I went to Wal-Mart and bought a three dollar compass and stuck it to the dash with double sided tape. Problem solved. During the inspection he noticed that I did indeed have a compass and he let it go. I have no idea how accurate the compass is, I have never looked at it, nor do I intend to. That's not the point. The inspector wanted one, so I put it in.

So as Sam said - just buy a cheap compass, put a correction card on it and move on to the important stuff.

Good Luck Joseph, please keep us informed!

- Paul

-----Original Message-----
From: Q-LIST@... [mailto:Q-LIST@...] On Behalf Of Sam Hoskins
Sent: Thursday, December 02, 2010 06:08
To: Q-LIST
Subject: Re: [Q-LIST] N240JS Inspection

Joseph, don't worry about it too much. Just get a compass card and stick it
on your panel. Write some numbers on it.

No worries.

When I had my inspection, the FAA examiner (yes, FAA) noted my compass card
with no numbers on it, and signed off the inspection.

Don't worry about it and let's not spend another 100 e-mails auguring the
point.

Sam Hoskins


Re: N240JS Inspection

Fisher Paul A. <fisherpaula@...>
 

(sorry Sam - one more data point)
On my last inspection (15 months ago) the FAA inspector (yes, FAA from the local FSDO) insisted that I have a compass. I asked for an explanation because I had a Dynon with the remote compass and he said I needed a direction indicator that worked if I lost electrical power. Again, I asked (politely) for him to please point to the regulations where this is stated. He tried, but could not find any such requirement, but "strongly suggested I have a compass". This conversation happened over the phone before the inspection.

So I went to Wal-Mart and bought a three dollar compass and stuck it to the dash with double sided tape. Problem solved. During the inspection he noticed that I did indeed have a compass and he let it go. I have no idea how accurate the compass is, I have never looked at it, nor do I intend to. That's not the point. The inspector wanted one, so I put it in.

So as Sam said - just buy a cheap compass, put a correction card on it and move on to the important stuff.

Good Luck Joseph, please keep us informed!

- Paul

-----Original Message-----
From: Q-LIST@... [mailto:Q-LIST@...] On Behalf Of Sam Hoskins
Sent: Thursday, December 02, 2010 06:08
To: Q-LIST
Subject: Re: [Q-LIST] N240JS Inspection

Joseph, don't worry about it too much. Just get a compass card and stick it
on your panel. Write some numbers on it.

No worries.

When I had my inspection, the FAA examiner (yes, FAA) noted my compass card
with no numbers on it, and signed off the inspection.

Don't worry about it and let's not spend another 100 e-mails auguring the
point.

Sam Hoskins


Re: N240JS Inspection

Sam Hoskins
 

Joseph, don't worry about it too much. Just get a compass card and stick it
on your panel. Write some numbers on it.

No worries.

When I had my inspection, the FAA examiner (yes, FAA) noted my compass card
with no numbers on it, and signed off the inspection.

Don't worry about it and let's not spend another 100 e-mails auguring the
point.

Sam Hoskins



On Wed, Dec 1, 2010 at 10:57 PM, Joseph M Snow <1flashq@...>wrote:





Mike,
I have a Dynon EFIS-D10 with a remote, electronic compass. There are
calibration procedures, but you need to be at an airport which has a compass
rose. I am not allowed to fly as yet. The compass declination was set by
Longitude/latitude which enables a magnetic variation correction to the
compass factory preset. Is this adequate?

Joseph


--- On Wed, 12/1/10, Mike Dwyer <mdwyer@...<mdwyer%40tampabay.rr.com>>
wrote:

From: Mike Dwyer <mdwyer@... <mdwyer%40tampabay.rr.com>>
Subject: Re: [Q-LIST] N240JS Inspection
To: Q-LIST@... <Q-LIST%40yahoogroups.com>
Date: Wednesday, December 1, 2010, 5:20 PM




Don't forget to have your compass correction card stuck to the dash.
They seem to look for that as we often forget about it.
Mike Q200

Terry Adams wrote:
Joseph,
A milestone.
Hope all goes well.
Check and double check, if possible borrow another pair of eyes.
Dot your "t"s and cross your "i"s.
I have had planes inspected by FSDO and it usually seems more time is
spent looking over the paperwork..
Albeit the inspector's signature is on the paperwork, your butt is in
the airplane.

Terry Adams

Joseph M Snow wrote:





Heads up...

FAA Inspection for N240JS is scheduled for December 12!!

Joseph

[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]



[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]


Re: N240JS Inspection

Joseph M Snow <1flashq@...>
 

Mike,
I have a Dynon EFIS-D10 with a remote, electronic compass.  There are calibration procedures, but you need to be at an airport which has a compass rose.  I am not allowed to fly as yet.  The compass declination was set by Longitude/latitude which enables a magnetic variation correction to the compass factory preset.  Is this adequate?
 
Joseph

--- On Wed, 12/1/10, Mike Dwyer <mdwyer@...> wrote:


From: Mike Dwyer <mdwyer@...>
Subject: Re: [Q-LIST] N240JS Inspection
To: Q-LIST@...
Date: Wednesday, December 1, 2010, 5:20 PM


 



Don't forget to have your compass correction card stuck to the dash.
They seem to look for that as we often forget about it.
Mike Q200

Terry Adams wrote:
Joseph,
A milestone.
Hope all goes well.
Check and double check, if possible borrow another pair of eyes.
Dot your "t"s and cross your "i"s.
I have had planes inspected by FSDO and it usually seems more time is
spent looking over the paperwork..
Albeit the inspector's signature is on the paperwork, your butt is in
the airplane.

Terry Adams

Joseph M Snow wrote:





Heads up...

FAA Inspection for N240JS is scheduled for December 12!!

Joseph







[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]


Re: N240JS Inspection

Rick Hole
 

I've been through dozens of these inspections with clients at work and I can
tell you the DAR will not sign off without some sort of compass and
correction card. While you might fight the DAR about it, it really is not a
smart move to do so; get them mad and they will get even. So choose your
fights wisely :-)

Rick



_____

From: Q-LIST@... [mailto:Q-LIST@...] On Behalf Of
Michael Hilderbrand
Sent: Wednesday, December 01, 2010 9:43 PM
To: Q-LIST@...
Subject: Re: [Q-LIST] N240JS Inspection





"Don't forget to have your compass correction card stuck to the dash."

Actually, you do not even need a compass.

Michael Hilderbrand
Derby, Kansas
Sonex #1017 Flying
Jabiru 3300 w/ Aerocarb
Http://www.kansasflying.com

________________________________
From: Mike Dwyer <mdwyer@... <mailto:mdwyer%40tampabay.rr.com> >
To: Q-LIST@... <mailto:Q-LIST%40yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Wed, December 1, 2010 4:20:38 PM
Subject: Re: [Q-LIST] N240JS Inspection


They seem to look for that as we often forget about it.
Mike Q200

Terry Adams wrote:
Joseph,
A milestone.
Hope all goes well.
Check and double check, if possible borrow another pair of eyes.
Dot your "t"s and cross your "i"s.
I have had planes inspected by FSDO and it usually seems more time is
spent looking over the paperwork..
Albeit the inspector's signature is on the paperwork, your butt is in
the airplane.

Terry Adams

Joseph M Snow wrote:





Heads up...

FAA Inspection for N240JS is scheduled for December 12!!

Joseph


Re: N240JS Inspection

Michael Hilderbrand <m_hilderbrand@...>
 

"Don't forget to have your compass correction card stuck to the dash."

Actually, you do not even need a compass.  

 Michael Hilderbrand
Derby, Kansas
Sonex #1017 Flying
Jabiru 3300 w/ Aerocarb
Http://www.kansasflying.com




________________________________
From: Mike Dwyer <mdwyer@...>
To: Q-LIST@...
Sent: Wed, December 1, 2010 4:20:38 PM
Subject: Re: [Q-LIST] N240JS Inspection

 
They seem to look for that as we often forget about it.
Mike Q200

Terry Adams wrote:
Joseph,
A milestone.
Hope all goes well.
Check and double check, if possible borrow another pair of eyes.
Dot your "t"s and cross your "i"s.
I have had planes inspected by FSDO and it usually seems more time is
spent looking over the paperwork..
Albeit the inspector's signature is on the paperwork, your butt is in
the airplane.

Terry Adams

Joseph M Snow wrote:





Heads up...

FAA Inspection for N240JS is scheduled for December 12!!

Joseph



[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]


Re: N240JS Inspection

Mike Dwyer <mdwyer@...>
 

Don't forget to have your compass correction card stuck to the dash. They seem to look for that as we often forget about it.
Mike Q200

Terry Adams wrote:

Joseph,
A milestone.
Hope all goes well. Check and double check, if possible borrow another pair of eyes.
Dot your "t"s and cross your "i"s.
I have had planes inspected by FSDO and it usually seems more time is spent looking over the paperwork..
Albeit the inspector's signature is on the paperwork, your butt is in the airplane.

Terry Adams

Joseph M Snow wrote:




Heads up...
FAA Inspection for N240JS is scheduled for December 12!!
Joseph


Re: N240JS Inspection

quickheads
 

Good luck Joseph! Please take good notes for those of us that will follow
you! :-)

Warm regards,
Dan Yager
QBA Editor
www.quickheads.com






Heads up...

FAA Inspection for N240JS is scheduled for December 12!!

Joseph



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