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Re: Merry Christmas

Bruce Crain
 

Merry Christmas! "Jesus loves me"!!! And you to!! Thanking Him for the opportunity of building and flying!!Bruce Crain

Hope Santa made it safely last night to you and yours!

Warm regards,
Dan Yager
QBA Editor
www.quickheads.com

> To all!
>
> Kevin Boddicker
> TriQ200 194 hrs
> Luana Ia.
>
> Sent from my iPod Touch
>


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Re: Merry Christmas

quickheads
 

Hope Santa made it safely last night to you and yours!

Warm regards,
Dan Yager
QBA Editor
www.quickheads.com

To all!

Kevin Boddicker
TriQ200 194 hrs
Luana Ia.

Sent from my iPod Touch


Re: Benefits of streamlining

Isaksson Roger <scratchdeeper@...>
 

I'll be darn,.... so they actually had a fin there for a while, not only a tail
wheelfairing...




________________________________
From: "Q1terryMDT@aol.com" <Q1terryMDT@aol.com>
To: Q-LIST@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Fri, December 24, 2010 7:42:41 PM
Subject: Re: [Q-LIST] Re: Benefits of streamlining

 

Hi Guys,

The Q1 prototype reportedly flew fine with the tailwheel fin as the
rudder until they encountered a crosswind. Then the tailwheel fin went away and
several different rudder designs and ground angle of attach reduction
before flight testing was completed.

Terry

In a message dated 12/24/2010 8:26:58 P.M. Central Standard Time,
scratchdeeper@yahoo.com writes:

Pat,

You got me curious, and I started to dig into some old litterature, and
you just
might be right on this one.

On the very first page , the front cover, of the Quickie construction
Plans of
the Onan quickie, there is a three dimensional drawing above/side/front
where
on the side drawing, ...studying that section of the aricraft, you see a
fairing
over the tailwheel.

However, ...also, looking at the fin, and the movable finsurface, you can
also
see that the rudder looks like it is only a couple of inches.

It is only a sliver of a rudder, the rudder looks like a 2 inch ruler
about, a
very small flat stick along the trailing edge of the fin, a feature that
in the
plans is not incorporated, the plans actually calls for a normal
propotioned
rudder surface, and is described in details in the building plans. The
rudder
built per plans does not look like the rudder on the front page.

Apparently the original Quickie had a different steering arrangement , and
ended
up on the front cover of the building plans.

Now, if that steering arrangement was also incorporated into the
tailwheel, and
thus it's fairing was also part of the steering...I don't know, but as
the
steering wheel will follow the ruddeer, in the Q-plans I can assume that
the
idea was that the steering wheel, with a fairing over it, would contribute
to
the steering.

My guess of how this developed was that , as they just put an adequate
rudder
surface, and dropped the idea with a two part rudder (cowled
steeringwheel, and
rudder), the cowling over the steering wheel was dropped, as not necessary
for
steering.

The overall aerodynamic gain in a cowled steering wheel probably got lost
, when
this was dropped.

Roger

________________________________
From: Pat Panzera <_panzera@experimental-aviation.com_
(mailto:panzera@experimental-aviation.com) >
To: _Q-LIST@yahoogroups.com_ (mailto:Q-LIST@yahoogroups.com)
Sent: Fri, December 24, 2010 4:51:37 AM
Subject: Re: [Q-LIST] Re: Benefits of streamlining


On Dec 23, 2010, at 8:03 PM, Isaksson Roger <_scratchdeeper@yahoo.com_
(mailto:scratchdeeper@yahoo.com) >
wrote:

If I don't mis remember, the ads in different magazines out for the
very
first
quickie in the -70's, showed the Onan version Quickie with a fairing
over
the
tailwheel. It never caught on though, but hey...it's gotta do
something.
Wasn't that the actual rudder as opposed to simply being a faring?

Pat


Merry Christmas

Kevin Boddicker
 

To all!

Kevin Boddicker
TriQ200 194 hrs
Luana Ia.

Sent from my iPod Touch


Re: Video

Rick Hole
 

That was inspiring! Great job.

Rick



_____

From: Q-LIST@yahoogroups.com [mailto:Q-LIST@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of
Jon Finley
Sent: Friday, December 24, 2010 12:43 AM
To: Q-LIST@yahoogroups.com
Subject: RE: [Q-LIST] Video





Rick,

The HD version of the "first posting" was broken (for some reason - that is
something that Vimeo does) but the "standard" version worked (click the "HD"
text and it will say "HD Enabled" or something like that). I re-posted the
exact same video and this time Vimeo seems to have converted it properly.

The direct link to the version with working HD is:
http://www.vimeo.com/18022980

Jon

-----Original Message-----
From: Q-LIST@yahoogroups.com <mailto:Q-LIST%40yahoogroups.com>
[mailto:Q-LIST@yahoogroups.com <mailto:Q-LIST%40yahoogroups.com> ] On Behalf
Of Rick Hole
Sent: Thursday, December 23, 2010 9:18 PM
To: Q-LIST@yahoogroups.com <mailto:Q-LIST%40yahoogroups.com>
Subject: RE: [Q-LIST] Video

I'd like to watch this if I could figure how to get more than four
seconds
of video. How'd you do it, Mike, when I click Download to Real Player
it is
still only 4 seconds

Rick, Q2 glassing elevator


Re: Benefits of streamlining

Isaksson Roger <scratchdeeper@...>
 

Pat,

You got me curious, and I started to dig into some old litterature, and you just
might be right on this one.


On the very first page , the front cover, of the Quickie construction Plans of
the Onan quickie, there is a three dimensional drawing  above/side/front where
on the side drawing, ...studying that section of the aricraft, you see a fairing
over the tailwheel.

However, ...also, looking at the fin, and the movable finsurface, you can also
see that the rudder looks like it is only a couple of inches.

It is only a sliver of a rudder,  the rudder looks like a 2 inch ruler about, a
very small flat stick along the trailing edge of the fin,  a feature that in the
plans is not incorporated, the plans actually calls for a normal propotioned
rudder surface, and is described in details in the building plans. The rudder
built per plans does not look like the rudder on the front page.

Apparently the original Quickie had a different steering arrangement , and ended
up on the front cover of the building plans.

Now, if that steering arrangement was also incorporated into the tailwheel, and
thus  it's fairing was also part of the steering...I don't know, but as the
steering wheel will follow the ruddeer, in the Q-plans I can assume that the
idea was that the steering wheel, with a fairing over it, would contribute to
the steering.

My guess of how this developed was that , as they just put an adequate rudder
surface, and dropped the idea with a two part rudder  (cowled steeringwheel, and
rudder), the cowling over the steering wheel was dropped, as not necessary for
steering.

The overall aerodynamic gain in a cowled steering wheel probably got lost , when
this was dropped.

Roger

 



________________________________
From: Pat Panzera <panzera@experimental-aviation.com>
To: Q-LIST@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Fri, December 24, 2010 4:51:37 AM
Subject: Re: [Q-LIST] Re: Benefits of streamlining

 

On Dec 23, 2010, at 8:03 PM, Isaksson Roger <scratchdeeper@yahoo.com>
wrote:

If I don't mis remember, the ads in different magazines out for the very
first
quickie in the -70's, showed the Onan version Quickie with a fairing over
the
tailwheel. It never caught on though, but hey...it's gotta do something.
Wasn't that the actual rudder as opposed to simply being a faring?

Pat

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[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]


Re: Benefits of streamlining

Terry Crouch
 

Hi Guys,

The Q1 prototype reportedly flew fine with the tailwheel fin as the
rudder until they encountered a crosswind. Then the tailwheel fin went away and
several different rudder designs and ground angle of attach reduction
before flight testing was completed.

Terry

In a message dated 12/24/2010 8:26:58 P.M. Central Standard Time,
scratchdeeper@yahoo.com writes:

Pat,

You got me curious, and I started to dig into some old litterature, and
you just
might be right on this one.

On the very first page , the front cover, of the Quickie construction
Plans of
the Onan quickie, there is a three dimensional drawing above/side/front
where
on the side drawing, ...studying that section of the aricraft, you see a
fairing
over the tailwheel.

However, ...also, looking at the fin, and the movable finsurface, you can
also
see that the rudder looks like it is only a couple of inches.

It is only a sliver of a rudder, the rudder looks like a 2 inch ruler
about, a
very small flat stick along the trailing edge of the fin, a feature that
in the
plans is not incorporated, the plans actually calls for a normal
propotioned
rudder surface, and is described in details in the building plans. The
rudder
built per plans does not look like the rudder on the front page.

Apparently the original Quickie had a different steering arrangement , and
ended
up on the front cover of the building plans.

Now, if that steering arrangement was also incorporated into the
tailwheel, and
thus it's fairing was also part of the steering...I don't know, but as
the
steering wheel will follow the ruddeer, in the Q-plans I can assume that
the
idea was that the steering wheel, with a fairing over it, would contribute
to
the steering.

My guess of how this developed was that , as they just put an adequate
rudder
surface, and dropped the idea with a two part rudder (cowled
steeringwheel, and
rudder), the cowling over the steering wheel was dropped, as not necessary
for
steering.

The overall aerodynamic gain in a cowled steering wheel probably got lost
, when
this was dropped.

Roger



________________________________
From: Pat Panzera <_panzera@experimental-aviation.com_
(mailto:panzera@experimental-aviation.com) >
To: _Q-LIST@yahoogroups.com_ (mailto:Q-LIST@yahoogroups.com)
Sent: Fri, December 24, 2010 4:51:37 AM
Subject: Re: [Q-LIST] Re: Benefits of streamlining



On Dec 23, 2010, at 8:03 PM, Isaksson Roger <_scratchdeeper@yahoo.com_
(mailto:scratchdeeper@yahoo.com) >
wrote:

If I don't mis remember, the ads in different magazines out for the
very
first
quickie in the -70's, showed the Onan version Quickie with a fairing
over
the
tailwheel. It never caught on though, but hey...it's gotta do
something.
Wasn't that the actual rudder as opposed to simply being a faring?

Pat


Re: Video

Jon Finley <jon@...>
 

Hi Jim,

I agree, it is a great place. Not for everyone though!

My problem is lack of money!! :-) I'd love to have better equipment like
this:
http://cgi.ebay.com/EPIC-HD-Action-Video-Camera-168-degree-Wide-Angle-NEW-/1
60484936816?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_2&hash=item255da5cc70

It would be really neat to find a bullet/lipstick size HD camera with wide
angle lens AND remote control. Maybe Santa will deliver one tonight.

Merry CHRISTmas everyone!!

Jon

-----Original Message-----
From: Q-LIST@yahoogroups.com [mailto:Q-LIST@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf
Of Jim P
Sent: Monday, December 20, 2010 11:08 AM
To: Q-LIST@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [Q-LIST] Re: Video

Hey Jon,

You've got some great scenery around your neighborhood. I lived in
Albuquerque for awhile. The Sandia range is beautiful.

Have you ever tried tapeing a lipstick type cam to the top of the tail?
That would be a great position to see take off and landings. You could
just send out a video every couple of months so the rest of us can
continue to appreciate long wide runways.

Merry Christmas

Jimbo from KoKomo


Re: Engine Choice

Martin Skiby
 

I have spent a bunch of time at this site an they really seem to have this worked out. Great source of info,

Thanks

--- In Q-LIST@yahoogroups.com, oneskydog@... wrote:

Martin,

If you are interested in a flight proven Corvair conversion and the parts
to make it happen go to William Wynne. His lead time sometimes is very long
but his parts are well engineered and the manufacturing is first class. He
has been flight testing everything he sells and gives free colleges on
building engines, buy his book to start.

_http://flycorvair.com_ (http://flycorvair.com)

I am doing a Dragonfly/Corvair and there are some pictures on the Yahoo
Dragonfly list.

_http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Dragonflylist/photos/album/1015036301/pic/lis
t_
(http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Dragonflylist/photos/album/1015036301/pic/list)

Regards,

Charlie Johnson
One Sky Dog
Ogden, Utah


In a message dated 12/23/2010 6:40:11 P.M. Mountain Standard Time,
dan@... writes:

Hey Martin,
In the newsletter that I just sent out Tuesday, there is an article by
Joseph Snow about doing the W&B with a corvair engine on a Q-200. Joseph
will probably be the first to successfully fly a Q-200 behind a corvair
conversion.

I am also going to try that route, but as of yet, it is not proven, and my
project is still under reconstruction.

Not sure if this helps your decision at all.

Dan Yager
QBA Editor
www.quickheads.com



OK, I hope I am not jumping too far ahead, but I like to get things
worked out far in advance. I am considering a few alternative engines
for
the project. One would be the Jabiru, which I have talked to a few of
you
about. The other I am looking at is the Corvair. Anyone have experience
with this set up that they would like to share good or bad? It looks
like
a nice engine and with the bearings supports I have seen maybe not too
bad
for a Q200. Any information would be great.

Thanks all and have a Merry Christmas!




------------------------------------

Quickie Builders Association WEB site
http://www.quickiebuilders.org

Yahoo! Groups Links






[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]


Re: Engine Choice

Martin Skiby
 

Thanks Joseph,

I will be keeping an eye on your progress. I have taken a look at your page and thank you for all the information. You are the reason that I am looking into this. I have a bunch of experience with the 0200 and it has proven a good power plant, but I am also very interested in an alternative that works. There are so many possibilities with the Corvair that interest me.

I am anxious to see some numbers on your plean,

Thanks

--- In Q-LIST@yahoogroups.com, Joseph M Snow <1flashq@...> wrote:

Hello Martin,
 
I hope to fly my Q2xx behind the Corvair, 110 hp, sometime soon (my project has just received its Special Airworthiness Dertificate).  After the 40 hours, I should be able to tell you much more.  Perhaps you would like to look at my web page at www.corvairq.info.  If you have specific questions, you can contact me at 1flashq@...

Joseph Snow
Q2xx, N240JS
Euclid, Ohio
--- On Thu, 12/23/10, Martin <mskiby@...> wrote:


From: Martin <mskiby@...>
Subject: [Q-LIST] Engine Choice
To: Q-LIST@yahoogroups.com
Date: Thursday, December 23, 2010, 5:21 PM


 



OK, I hope I am not jumping too far ahead, but I like to get things worked out far in advance. I am considering a few alternative engines for the project. One would be the Jabiru, which I have talked to a few of you about. The other I am looking at is the Corvair. Anyone have experience with this set up that they would like to share good or bad? It looks like a nice engine and with the bearings supports I have seen maybe not too bad for a Q200. Any information would be great.

Thanks all and have a Merry Christmas!








[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]


Re: Engine Choice

Pat Panzera <panzera@...>
 

Martin,

These may help:

http://issuu.com/panzera/docs/issue_75

http://issuu.com/panzera/docs/issue_95

Be sure and view them full size.

Pat

On Fri, Dec 24, 2010 at 6:25 AM, Martin <mskiby@bak.rr.com> wrote:


Thank Dan, and yes I did read the article in the newsletter. That is what
has partially peaked my interest. Just doing research for now.

Thanks for the help.
--- In Q-LIST@yahoogroups.com, dan@... wrote:

Hey Martin,
In the newsletter that I just sent out Tuesday, there is an article by
Joseph Snow about doing the W&B with a corvair engine on a Q-200. Joseph
will probably be the first to successfully fly a Q-200 behind a corvair
conversion.

I am also going to try that route, but as of yet, it is not proven, and
my
project is still under reconstruction.

Not sure if this helps your decision at all.

Dan Yager
QBA Editor
www.quickheads.com



OK, I hope I am not jumping too far ahead, but I like to get things
worked out far in advance. I am considering a few alternative engines
for
the project. One would be the Jabiru, which I have talked to a few of
you
about. The other I am looking at is the Corvair. Anyone have
experience
with this set up that they would like to share good or bad? It looks
like
a nice engine and with the bearings supports I have seen maybe not too
bad
for a Q200. Any information would be great.

Thanks all and have a Merry Christmas!




------------------------------------

Quickie Builders Association WEB site
http://www.quickiebuilders.org

Yahoo! Groups Links





Re: Engine Choice

Martin Skiby
 

Thank Dan, and yes I did read the article in the newsletter. That is what has partially peaked my interest. Just doing research for now.

Thanks for the help.

--- In Q-LIST@yahoogroups.com, dan@... wrote:

Hey Martin,
In the newsletter that I just sent out Tuesday, there is an article by
Joseph Snow about doing the W&B with a corvair engine on a Q-200. Joseph
will probably be the first to successfully fly a Q-200 behind a corvair
conversion.

I am also going to try that route, but as of yet, it is not proven, and my
project is still under reconstruction.

Not sure if this helps your decision at all.

Dan Yager
QBA Editor
www.quickheads.com



OK, I hope I am not jumping too far ahead, but I like to get things
worked out far in advance. I am considering a few alternative engines for
the project. One would be the Jabiru, which I have talked to a few of you
about. The other I am looking at is the Corvair. Anyone have experience
with this set up that they would like to share good or bad? It looks like
a nice engine and with the bearings supports I have seen maybe not too bad
for a Q200. Any information would be great.

Thanks all and have a Merry Christmas!


Re: Benefits of streamlining

Pat Panzera <panzera@...>
 


On Dec 23, 2010, at 8:03 PM, Isaksson Roger <scratchdeeper@yahoo.com>
wrote:

If I don't mis remember, the ads in different magazines out for the very
first
quickie in the -70's, showed the Onan version Quickie with a fairing over
the
tailwheel. It never caught on though, but hey...it's gotta do something.

Wasn't that the actual rudder as opposed to simply being a faring?

Pat


Re: Benefits of streamlining

Isaksson Roger <scratchdeeper@...>
 

The weight makes you go mental, and the drag is detrimental, as long it is not
dental....then it is just a drag.

Roger



________________________________
From: Phil Lankford <britmcman@aol.com>
To: "Q-LIST@yahoogroups.com" <Q-LIST@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Thu, December 23, 2010 8:52:57 PM
Subject: Re: [Q-LIST] Re: Benefits of streamlining

 
The penalty of added weight is incremental while the savings of aerodynamics is
exponential.


Phil Lankford

On Dec 23, 2010, at 8:03 PM, Isaksson Roger <scratchdeeper@yahoo.com> wrote:

If I don't mis remember, the ads in different magazines out for the very first
quickie in the -70's, showed the Onan version Quickie with a fairing over the
tailwheel. It never caught on though, but hey...it's gotta do something.

I think it is a matter of things that adds up.

.....the position lights that is not too aerodynamic, the little antenna, the
little temp probe sticking out, the exhaust pipe that sticks out excessively,
the not so flush tanklid, those unsealed gaps, the naked tailwheel, and so
on,

Each one of them doesn't amount to much, but it's like added on weight on the
aircraft,.... it ads up quick.

Roger

________________________________
From: Mike Perry <dmperry1012@att.net>
To: Q-LIST@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Thu, December 23, 2010 10:56:07 AM
Subject: Re: [Q-LIST] Re: Benefits of streamlining


I think the drag of the "aftermarket tail wheel" is less important than
having an airplane you can control on the ground. Also, the tailwheel
hangs in the disturbed air coming off the slip-steam and fuselage, so
perhaps less increase in drag than what showed in this video

However, there could be other solutions. A fairing on the tailwheel? I
remember seeing a D-fly with a fairing on the tailwheel. The owner said
he couldn't tell any difference in climb or cruise, however it was a
very small tailwheel. I don't remember who had that plane.

FWIW -- Mike

On 12/23/2010 1:30 AM, Clive wrote:

Nice one Sam,

That certainly puts drag into perspective.

Looks those aftermarket tails wheels that hang down are a high drag item.

Merry Christmas all.

Clive Gobxoy

._,___
[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]



[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]







[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]


Re: Engine Choice

One Sky Dog
 

Martin,

If you are interested in a flight proven Corvair conversion and the parts
to make it happen go to William Wynne. His lead time sometimes is very long
but his parts are well engineered and the manufacturing is first class. He
has been flight testing everything he sells and gives free colleges on
building engines, buy his book to start.

_http://flycorvair.com_ (http://flycorvair.com)

I am doing a Dragonfly/Corvair and there are some pictures on the Yahoo
Dragonfly list.

_http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Dragonflylist/photos/album/1015036301/pic/lis
t_
(http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Dragonflylist/photos/album/1015036301/pic/list)

Regards,

Charlie Johnson
One Sky Dog
Ogden, Utah

In a message dated 12/23/2010 6:40:11 P.M. Mountain Standard Time,
dan@quickheads.com writes:

Hey Martin,
In the newsletter that I just sent out Tuesday, there is an article by
Joseph Snow about doing the W&B with a corvair engine on a Q-200. Joseph
will probably be the first to successfully fly a Q-200 behind a corvair
conversion.

I am also going to try that route, but as of yet, it is not proven, and my
project is still under reconstruction.

Not sure if this helps your decision at all.

Dan Yager
QBA Editor
www.quickheads.com



OK, I hope I am not jumping too far ahead, but I like to get things
worked out far in advance. I am considering a few alternative engines
for
the project. One would be the Jabiru, which I have talked to a few of
you
about. The other I am looking at is the Corvair. Anyone have experience
with this set up that they would like to share good or bad? It looks
like
a nice engine and with the bearings supports I have seen maybe not too
bad
for a Q200. Any information would be great.

Thanks all and have a Merry Christmas!




------------------------------------

Quickie Builders Association WEB site
http://www.quickiebuilders.org

Yahoo! Groups Links


Re: Video

Jon Finley <jon@...>
 

Rick,

The HD version of the "first posting" was broken (for some reason - that is
something that Vimeo does) but the "standard" version worked (click the "HD"
text and it will say "HD Enabled" or something like that). I re-posted the
exact same video and this time Vimeo seems to have converted it properly.

The direct link to the version with working HD is:
http://www.vimeo.com/18022980

Jon

-----Original Message-----
From: Q-LIST@yahoogroups.com [mailto:Q-LIST@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf
Of Rick Hole
Sent: Thursday, December 23, 2010 9:18 PM
To: Q-LIST@yahoogroups.com
Subject: RE: [Q-LIST] Video

I'd like to watch this if I could figure how to get more than four
seconds
of video. How'd you do it, Mike, when I click Download to Real Player
it is
still only 4 seconds

Rick, Q2 glassing elevator


Re: Benefits of streamlining

Phil Lankford
 

The penalty of added weight is incremental while the savings of aerodynamics is exponential.

Phil Lankford

On Dec 23, 2010, at 8:03 PM, Isaksson Roger <scratchdeeper@yahoo.com> wrote:

If I don't mis remember, the ads in different magazines out for the very first
quickie in the -70's, showed the Onan version Quickie with a fairing over the
tailwheel. It never caught on though, but hey...it's gotta do something.

I think it is a matter of things that adds up.

.....the position lights that is not too aerodynamic, the little antenna, the
little temp probe sticking out, the exhaust pipe that sticks out excessively,
the not so flush tanklid, those unsealed gaps, the naked tailwheel, and so
on,

Each one of them doesn't amount to much, but it's like added on weight on the
aircraft,.... it ads up quick.

Roger

________________________________
From: Mike Perry <dmperry1012@att.net>
To: Q-LIST@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Thu, December 23, 2010 10:56:07 AM
Subject: Re: [Q-LIST] Re: Benefits of streamlining


I think the drag of the "aftermarket tail wheel" is less important than
having an airplane you can control on the ground. Also, the tailwheel
hangs in the disturbed air coming off the slip-steam and fuselage, so
perhaps less increase in drag than what showed in this video

However, there could be other solutions. A fairing on the tailwheel? I
remember seeing a D-fly with a fairing on the tailwheel. The owner said
he couldn't tell any difference in climb or cruise, however it was a
very small tailwheel. I don't remember who had that plane.

FWIW -- Mike

On 12/23/2010 1:30 AM, Clive wrote:

Nice one Sam,

That certainly puts drag into perspective.

Looks those aftermarket tails wheels that hang down are a high drag item.

Merry Christmas all.

Clive Gobxoy

._,___
[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]


Re: Video

Rick Hole
 

I'd like to watch this if I could figure how to get more than four seconds
of video. How'd you do it, Mike, when I click Download to Real Player it is
still only 4 seconds

Rick, Q2 glassing elevator



_____

From: Q-LIST@yahoogroups.com [mailto:Q-LIST@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of
Mike Dwyer
Sent: Sunday, December 19, 2010 2:42 PM
To: Q-LIST@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [Q-LIST] Video





I used the download feature instead of viewing it online and now it's 4
minutes long. Weird...
Great video!
Merry Christmas
Mike

Mike Dwyer wrote:
Woah Jon, that video is only 4 seconds long!
Mike


Jon Finley wrote:
Hi Robert,

After quite a few attempts, I finally got some footage like you
requested.
With the equipment that I have, the camera is attached to the
vertical fin
and I have to start the recording by actually pushing a button on the
camera. So, once I get to the end of the runway, I get out, push record,
just back in, and take off. The problem I have been fighting is that my
camera stops recording when I hit a sharp bump.

I do not know why exactly but yesterday everything finally worked!

So, take a look at my latest video on Vimeo
(http://www.vimeo.com/17962728).


There is another new video (http://www.vimeo.com/17963777) that was
taken by
a friend when I passed him on the way home from breakfast. Very
short and
the lighting is all wrong but still fun.

Enjoy!

Jon


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From: Q-LIST@yahoogroups.com <mailto:Q-LIST%40yahoogroups.com>
[mailto:Q-LIST@yahoogroups.com <mailto:Q-LIST%40yahoogroups.com> ] On Behalf
Of rdixon
Sent: Sunday, December 05, 2010 1:28 PM
To: Q-LIST@yahoogroups.com <mailto:Q-LIST%40yahoogroups.com>
Subject: Re: [Q-LIST] Video

Dialed in, sighted in and doin' the two step!
Jon, (or Mike D) I would love to see a "tail cam" from the bottom of
the
ship.

Robert


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Re: Benefits of streamlining

Isaksson Roger <scratchdeeper@...>
 

If I don't mis remember, the ads in different magazines out for the very first
quickie in the -70's, showed the Onan version Quickie with a fairing over the
tailwheel. It never caught on though, but hey...it's gotta do something.

I think it is a matter of things that adds up.

.....the position lights that is not too aerodynamic, the little antenna, the
little temp probe sticking out, the exhaust pipe that sticks out excessively,
the not so flush tanklid,  those unsealed gaps,  the naked tailwheel,  and so
on,


Each one of them doesn't amount to much, but it's like added on weight on the
aircraft,.... it ads up quick.

Roger



________________________________
From: Mike Perry <dmperry1012@att.net>
To: Q-LIST@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Thu, December 23, 2010 10:56:07 AM
Subject: Re: [Q-LIST] Re: Benefits of streamlining

 
I think the drag of the "aftermarket tail wheel" is less important than
having an airplane you can control on the ground. Also, the tailwheel
hangs in the disturbed air coming off the slip-steam and fuselage, so
perhaps less increase in drag than what showed in this video

However, there could be other solutions. A fairing on the tailwheel? I
remember seeing a D-fly with a fairing on the tailwheel. The owner said
he couldn't tell any difference in climb or cruise, however it was a
very small tailwheel. I don't remember who had that plane.

FWIW -- Mike

On 12/23/2010 1:30 AM, Clive wrote:

Nice one Sam,

That certainly puts drag into perspective.

Looks those aftermarket tails wheels that hang down are a high drag item.

Merry Christmas all.

Clive Gobxoy

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Re: Engine Choice

Isaksson Roger <scratchdeeper@...>
 

There is a guy in the KR field that have done a lot of research, and build up a
massive site on the subject of Corvair engines.

He's been going through about everything you can't wish for, and finally got it
perfected, and you can read all about it, in detail, with a lot of photos.

There was a development process,  that involved broken cranks,  the fix,  the
solution how to put the additional  bearings in place, and as I understand it,
now he has a lot of hours on it.

You should know that before the application of Corvair engines in the KR
aircrafts, there was no broken crankshafts,  they probably started to break
because of the KR's spirited way of flying, ( too fun to fly, too quick to make
turns).

The Q aircraft would probably benefit from having the same front bearing
modifications as the KR aircrafts if a Corvair engine is choosen.. It seems with
the bearing modification to run great now. The reliability is there now.

The Corvair engine seem to be a completely worked out car/airplane engine
conversion, and following the tech outlined from people that has gone before
you, you will save a lot of tears.

The appeal with the Corvair engine is with the smoothness it runs, it's relative
strong power, and also a very appealing aspect is the cost.

If you build up a Corvair engine for airplane application, the engine and model
numbers that are not too interesting for the Hot Rodders, are in fact the
engines that are desirable for aircraft applications, and therefore you usually
get a core "on the cheapy"....the "lesser models" is for our purposes, the much
better engine models.

There was about 1.7 million Corvair engines produced, and there is still a lot
of them around in garages. Bearings, gaskets etc is car part store items.

The displacement is really decent, and if you choose to make a big bore version,
you will get a whopping 3.1 liter displacement, very close to an O-200, not
fully, but very close.

You will run higher compression, than a Continental or Lyc ( standard issue) and
as it is a 6 banger, you will run more efficient than a 4 cylinder engine.

Weight wise you will be lighter ( quite a bit actually) than an O-200.

The big bore cylinders are remachined VW cylinders, ( not much machining
necessary) so the availability is plenty. There are on the market VW big bore
aluminum cylinders with either Nikasil coating, or steel sleve, so you can bring
down the weight further that way.

The case is aluminum, so you will not have the VW Magnesium case problem where
you have to check for cracks on regular basis.(well......check anyway)

You should be able to read all about it following this link:

www.n56ml.com/corvair/

....it is a very interesting engine indeed. You will not get a full fledged
aircraft engine, and you will get your power on a somewhat elevated RPM compared
with a "real" aircraft engine, but it is probably as close as you can get it.

You can probably go to a junkyard and get a Fuel injection system from a junked
6 cylinder engine on the cheapy, that have about the same displacement.


The intake will still be the problematic top configuration, but the exhaust
stack will be much easier to route than a VW.

There are some very easily done reconfigurations of the intake manifold, in
order to make the engine breath much better, but you need to read, enjoy, dream
and plan, when it comes to all those things.

The power pulses are overlapping in a 6 cylinder engine, so you will get a very
smooth running thing.


Overheating may or may not have happened, but unlike like the similar set up
Jabiru that have some cooling issues, , it has never been an big issue with the
Corvair engine.

The Corvair also have a very long track record of flying, It's been up since the
-60's, ( I think Pietenpol went first) , and today you will get plenty of advice
from the experimental field. You will not start as the lone ranger, instead you
can easily duplicate others results.

The power you can expect from the engine, is depending on displacement, I have
seen figures between 90 HP to 120 HP, however, don't steer yourself blind on any
of those numbers though, they really don't mean much, instead concentrate on
getting a well built and balanced engine that will fit your application.

If you do just that, concentrate on building up a very efficient engine, and get
an efficient 2 or 3 bladed prop ,  you will get all the performance you are
asking for.....and then some.

You might want to get some structural advice if you got the VW version of the
Quickie, because this engine will weightwise fall inbetween a VW and an O-200,
however, the power will ( again depending on how you build it), be closer to,
equal or maybe even better than an O-200. so my advice here is, if you don't
have the Q-200 version, to look closely , and duplicate how the Q-200 is beefed
up.

Good luck

Roger




________________________________
From: Martin <mskiby@bak.rr.com>
To: Q-LIST@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Thu, December 23, 2010 2:21:02 PM
Subject: [Q-LIST] Engine Choice

 
OK, I hope I am not jumping too far ahead, but I like to get things worked out
far in advance. I am considering a few alternative engines for the project. One
would be the Jabiru, which I have talked to a few of you about. The other I am
looking at is the Corvair. Anyone have experience with this set up that they
would like to share good or bad? It looks like a nice engine and with the
bearings supports I have seen maybe not too bad for a Q200. Any information
would be great.

Thanks all and have a Merry Christmas!







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