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Re: Benefits of streamlining

Isaksson Roger <scratchdeeper@...>
 

Leon,

I don't think the rudder was just cobbled together, Terry here is attesting to
that there was several rudder designs that was tested. As it came out in
kitform, the Q, Q2 and Q-200, I am not aware of that there are, or have been a
big burning  issue in the aftermath with the rudder itself.

Nothing is perfect, and I am sure builders have made improvements on most
anything on this aircraft, being simple, I see that as an advantage,and it
seems like the rudder have adequate aerodynamic autority.

The tailwheel though was not too much to hang in the Juletree, the geometry make
it sit on a highspot , how they could miss on that one is beyond me, and on that
issue I agree, it was cobbled together, (maybe that's what you ment) and a much
better design could have been in the kit, without too much of a
brainactivity...it was so obvious.

Either way, ...we got to development history in QAC in the -70's,... from the
subject of aerodynamics and the benefit of streamlining,.... that's pretty good.

How do we tie this together, ???.... ok make a slipstream cover for the
tailwheel...

Merry Merry and Happy Happy

Roger


 



________________________________
From: halfvw <leoncasper@hotmail.com>
To: Q-LIST@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Sat, December 25, 2010 7:47:55 PM
Subject: [Q-LIST] Re: Benefits of streamlining

 
And this is how we ended up needing one of the Jim/Bob 6 pack modifications.

The prototype Quickie first flew with only a faired tail wheel for the rudder.
When it was determined that it was inadequate they simply patched on a basic
rudder, which never got refined before the Quickie was put on the market. The
Q-2 simply copied the cobbled together Quickie tailwheel/rudder setup.
=============
Leon

--- In Q-LIST@yahoogroups.com, Q1terryMDT@... wrote:


Hi Guys,

The Q1 prototype reportedly flew fine with the tailwheel fin as the
rudder until they encountered a crosswind. Then the tailwheel fin went away and

several different rudder designs and ground angle of attach reduction
before flight testing was completed.

Terry

In a message dated 12/24/2010 8:26:58 P.M. Central Standard Time,
scratchdeeper@... writes:

Pat,

You got me curious, and I started to dig into some old litterature, and
you just
might be right on this one.

On the very first page , the front cover, of the Quickie construction
Plans of
the Onan quickie, there is a three dimensional drawing above/side/front
where
on the side drawing, ...studying that section of the aricraft, you see a
fairing
over the tailwheel.

However, ...also, looking at the fin, and the movable finsurface, you can
also
see that the rudder looks like it is only a couple of inches.

It is only a sliver of a rudder, the rudder looks like a 2 inch ruler
about, a
very small flat stick along the trailing edge of the fin, a feature that
in the
plans is not incorporated, the plans actually calls for a normal
propotioned
rudder surface, and is described in details in the building plans. The
rudder
built per plans does not look like the rudder on the front page.

Apparently the original Quickie had a different steering arrangement , and
ended
up on the front cover of the building plans.

Now, if that steering arrangement was also incorporated into the
tailwheel, and
thus it's fairing was also part of the steering...I don't know, but as
the
steering wheel will follow the ruddeer, in the Q-plans I can assume that
the
idea was that the steering wheel, with a fairing over it, would contribute
to
the steering.

My guess of how this developed was that , as they just put an adequate
rudder
surface, and dropped the idea with a two part rudder (cowled
steeringwheel, and
rudder), the cowling over the steering wheel was dropped, as not necessary
for
steering.

The overall aerodynamic gain in a cowled steering wheel probably got lost
, when
this was dropped.

Roger



________________________________
From: Pat Panzera <_panzera@..._
(mailto:panzera@...) >
To: _Q-LIST@yahoogroups.com_ (mailto:Q-LIST@yahoogroups.com)
Sent: Fri, December 24, 2010 4:51:37 AM
Subject: Re: [Q-LIST] Re: Benefits of streamlining



On Dec 23, 2010, at 8:03 PM, Isaksson Roger <_scratchdeeper@..._
(mailto:scratchdeeper@...) >
wrote:

If I don't mis remember, the ads in different magazines out for the
very
first
quickie in the -70's, showed the Onan version Quickie with a fairing
over
the
tailwheel. It never caught on though, but hey...it's gotta do
something.
Wasn't that the actual rudder as opposed to simply being a faring?

Pat






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Re: Benefits of streamlining

Leon
 

And this is how we ended up needing one of the Jim/Bob 6 pack modifications.

The prototype Quickie first flew with only a faired tail wheel for the rudder. When it was determined that it was inadequate they simply patched on a basic rudder, which never got refined before the Quickie was put on the market. The Q-2 simply copied the cobbled together Quickie tailwheel/rudder setup.
=============
Leon

--- In Q-LIST@yahoogroups.com, Q1terryMDT@... wrote:


Hi Guys,

The Q1 prototype reportedly flew fine with the tailwheel fin as the
rudder until they encountered a crosswind. Then the tailwheel fin went away and
several different rudder designs and ground angle of attach reduction
before flight testing was completed.

Terry

In a message dated 12/24/2010 8:26:58 P.M. Central Standard Time,
scratchdeeper@... writes:

Pat,

You got me curious, and I started to dig into some old litterature, and
you just
might be right on this one.

On the very first page , the front cover, of the Quickie construction
Plans of
the Onan quickie, there is a three dimensional drawing above/side/front
where
on the side drawing, ...studying that section of the aricraft, you see a
fairing
over the tailwheel.

However, ...also, looking at the fin, and the movable finsurface, you can
also
see that the rudder looks like it is only a couple of inches.

It is only a sliver of a rudder, the rudder looks like a 2 inch ruler
about, a
very small flat stick along the trailing edge of the fin, a feature that
in the
plans is not incorporated, the plans actually calls for a normal
propotioned
rudder surface, and is described in details in the building plans. The
rudder
built per plans does not look like the rudder on the front page.

Apparently the original Quickie had a different steering arrangement , and
ended
up on the front cover of the building plans.

Now, if that steering arrangement was also incorporated into the
tailwheel, and
thus it's fairing was also part of the steering...I don't know, but as
the
steering wheel will follow the ruddeer, in the Q-plans I can assume that
the
idea was that the steering wheel, with a fairing over it, would contribute
to
the steering.

My guess of how this developed was that , as they just put an adequate
rudder
surface, and dropped the idea with a two part rudder (cowled
steeringwheel, and
rudder), the cowling over the steering wheel was dropped, as not necessary
for
steering.

The overall aerodynamic gain in a cowled steering wheel probably got lost
, when
this was dropped.

Roger



________________________________
From: Pat Panzera <_panzera@..._
(mailto:panzera@...) >
To: _Q-LIST@yahoogroups.com_ (mailto:Q-LIST@yahoogroups.com)
Sent: Fri, December 24, 2010 4:51:37 AM
Subject: Re: [Q-LIST] Re: Benefits of streamlining



On Dec 23, 2010, at 8:03 PM, Isaksson Roger <_scratchdeeper@..._
(mailto:scratchdeeper@...) >
wrote:

If I don't mis remember, the ads in different magazines out for the
very
first
quickie in the -70's, showed the Onan version Quickie with a fairing
over
the
tailwheel. It never caught on though, but hey...it's gotta do
something.
Wasn't that the actual rudder as opposed to simply being a faring?

Pat






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Re: Merry Christmas

DDaniels <log@...>
 

Yes he does and Merry Christmas to you also. Hope you all had a nice one Darrell

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From: <jcrain2@juno.com>
To: <Q-LIST@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Saturday, December 25, 2010 11:04 AM
Subject: Re: [Q-LIST] Merry Christmas


Merry Christmas! "Jesus loves me"!!! And you to!! Thanking Him for the opportunity of building and flying!!Bruce Crain

Hope Santa made it safely last night to you and yours!

Warm regards,
Dan Yager
QBA Editor
www.quickheads.com

To all!

Kevin Boddicker
TriQ200 194 hrs
Luana Ia.

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Re: Merry Christmas

Bruce Crain
 

Merry Christmas! "Jesus loves me"!!! And you to!! Thanking Him for the opportunity of building and flying!!Bruce Crain

Hope Santa made it safely last night to you and yours!

Warm regards,
Dan Yager
QBA Editor
www.quickheads.com

> To all!
>
> Kevin Boddicker
> TriQ200 194 hrs
> Luana Ia.
>
> Sent from my iPod Touch
>


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Re: Merry Christmas

quickheads
 

Hope Santa made it safely last night to you and yours!

Warm regards,
Dan Yager
QBA Editor
www.quickheads.com

To all!

Kevin Boddicker
TriQ200 194 hrs
Luana Ia.

Sent from my iPod Touch
Re: Benefits of streamlining

Isaksson Roger <scratchdeeper@...>
 

I'll be darn,.... so they actually had a fin there for a while, not only a tail
wheelfairing...




________________________________
From: "Q1terryMDT@aol.com" <Q1terryMDT@aol.com>
To: Q-LIST@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Fri, December 24, 2010 7:42:41 PM
Subject: Re: [Q-LIST] Re: Benefits of streamlining

 

Hi Guys,

The Q1 prototype reportedly flew fine with the tailwheel fin as the
rudder until they encountered a crosswind. Then the tailwheel fin went away and
several different rudder designs and ground angle of attach reduction
before flight testing was completed.

Terry

In a message dated 12/24/2010 8:26:58 P.M. Central Standard Time,
scratchdeeper@yahoo.com writes:

Pat,

You got me curious, and I started to dig into some old litterature, and
you just
might be right on this one.

On the very first page , the front cover, of the Quickie construction
Plans of
the Onan quickie, there is a three dimensional drawing above/side/front
where
on the side drawing, ...studying that section of the aricraft, you see a
fairing
over the tailwheel.

However, ...also, looking at the fin, and the movable finsurface, you can
also
see that the rudder looks like it is only a couple of inches.

It is only a sliver of a rudder, the rudder looks like a 2 inch ruler
about, a
very small flat stick along the trailing edge of the fin, a feature that
in the
plans is not incorporated, the plans actually calls for a normal
propotioned
rudder surface, and is described in details in the building plans. The
rudder
built per plans does not look like the rudder on the front page.

Apparently the original Quickie had a different steering arrangement , and
ended
up on the front cover of the building plans.

Now, if that steering arrangement was also incorporated into the
tailwheel, and
thus it's fairing was also part of the steering...I don't know, but as
the
steering wheel will follow the ruddeer, in the Q-plans I can assume that
the
idea was that the steering wheel, with a fairing over it, would contribute
to
the steering.

My guess of how this developed was that , as they just put an adequate
rudder
surface, and dropped the idea with a two part rudder (cowled
steeringwheel, and
rudder), the cowling over the steering wheel was dropped, as not necessary
for
steering.

The overall aerodynamic gain in a cowled steering wheel probably got lost
, when
this was dropped.

Roger

________________________________
From: Pat Panzera <_panzera@experimental-aviation.com_
(mailto:panzera@experimental-aviation.com) >
To: _Q-LIST@yahoogroups.com_ (mailto:Q-LIST@yahoogroups.com)
Sent: Fri, December 24, 2010 4:51:37 AM
Subject: Re: [Q-LIST] Re: Benefits of streamlining


On Dec 23, 2010, at 8:03 PM, Isaksson Roger <_scratchdeeper@yahoo.com_
(mailto:scratchdeeper@yahoo.com) >
wrote:

If I don't mis remember, the ads in different magazines out for the
very
first
quickie in the -70's, showed the Onan version Quickie with a fairing
over
the
tailwheel. It never caught on though, but hey...it's gotta do
something.
Wasn't that the actual rudder as opposed to simply being a faring?

Pat
Merry Christmas

Kevin Boddicker
 

To all!

Kevin Boddicker
TriQ200 194 hrs
Luana Ia.

Sent from my iPod Touch
Re: Video

Rick Hole
 

That was inspiring! Great job.

Rick



_____

From: Q-LIST@yahoogroups.com [mailto:Q-LIST@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of
Jon Finley
Sent: Friday, December 24, 2010 12:43 AM
To: Q-LIST@yahoogroups.com
Subject: RE: [Q-LIST] Video





Rick,

The HD version of the "first posting" was broken (for some reason - that is
something that Vimeo does) but the "standard" version worked (click the "HD"
text and it will say "HD Enabled" or something like that). I re-posted the
exact same video and this time Vimeo seems to have converted it properly.

The direct link to the version with working HD is:
http://www.vimeo.com/18022980

Jon

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From: Q-LIST@yahoogroups.com <mailto:Q-LIST%40yahoogroups.com>
[mailto:Q-LIST@yahoogroups.com <mailto:Q-LIST%40yahoogroups.com> ] On Behalf
Of Rick Hole
Sent: Thursday, December 23, 2010 9:18 PM
To: Q-LIST@yahoogroups.com <mailto:Q-LIST%40yahoogroups.com>
Subject: RE: [Q-LIST] Video

I'd like to watch this if I could figure how to get more than four
seconds
of video. How'd you do it, Mike, when I click Download to Real Player
it is
still only 4 seconds

Rick, Q2 glassing elevator
Re: Benefits of streamlining

Isaksson Roger <scratchdeeper@...>
 

Pat,

You got me curious, and I started to dig into some old litterature, and you just
might be right on this one.


On the very first page , the front cover, of the Quickie construction Plans of
the Onan quickie, there is a three dimensional drawing  above/side/front where
on the side drawing, ...studying that section of the aricraft, you see a fairing
over the tailwheel.

However, ...also, looking at the fin, and the movable finsurface, you can also
see that the rudder looks like it is only a couple of inches.

It is only a sliver of a rudder,  the rudder looks like a 2 inch ruler about, a
very small flat stick along the trailing edge of the fin,  a feature that in the
plans is not incorporated, the plans actually calls for a normal propotioned
rudder surface, and is described in details in the building plans. The rudder
built per plans does not look like the rudder on the front page.

Apparently the original Quickie had a different steering arrangement , and ended
up on the front cover of the building plans.

Now, if that steering arrangement was also incorporated into the tailwheel, and
thus  it's fairing was also part of the steering...I don't know, but as the
steering wheel will follow the ruddeer, in the Q-plans I can assume that the
idea was that the steering wheel, with a fairing over it, would contribute to
the steering.

My guess of how this developed was that , as they just put an adequate rudder
surface, and dropped the idea with a two part rudder  (cowled steeringwheel, and
rudder), the cowling over the steering wheel was dropped, as not necessary for
steering.

The overall aerodynamic gain in a cowled steering wheel probably got lost , when
this was dropped.

Roger

 



________________________________
From: Pat Panzera <panzera@experimental-aviation.com>
To: Q-LIST@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Fri, December 24, 2010 4:51:37 AM
Subject: Re: [Q-LIST] Re: Benefits of streamlining

 

On Dec 23, 2010, at 8:03 PM, Isaksson Roger <scratchdeeper@yahoo.com>
wrote:

If I don't mis remember, the ads in different magazines out for the very
first
quickie in the -70's, showed the Onan version Quickie with a fairing over
the
tailwheel. It never caught on though, but hey...it's gotta do something.
Wasn't that the actual rudder as opposed to simply being a faring?

Pat

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Re: Benefits of streamlining

Terry Crouch
 

Hi Guys,

The Q1 prototype reportedly flew fine with the tailwheel fin as the
rudder until they encountered a crosswind. Then the tailwheel fin went away and
several different rudder designs and ground angle of attach reduction
before flight testing was completed.

Terry

In a message dated 12/24/2010 8:26:58 P.M. Central Standard Time,
scratchdeeper@yahoo.com writes:

Pat,

You got me curious, and I started to dig into some old litterature, and
you just
might be right on this one.

On the very first page , the front cover, of the Quickie construction
Plans of
the Onan quickie, there is a three dimensional drawing above/side/front
where
on the side drawing, ...studying that section of the aricraft, you see a
fairing
over the tailwheel.

However, ...also, looking at the fin, and the movable finsurface, you can
also
see that the rudder looks like it is only a couple of inches.

It is only a sliver of a rudder, the rudder looks like a 2 inch ruler
about, a
very small flat stick along the trailing edge of the fin, a feature that
in the
plans is not incorporated, the plans actually calls for a normal
propotioned
rudder surface, and is described in details in the building plans. The
rudder
built per plans does not look like the rudder on the front page.

Apparently the original Quickie had a different steering arrangement , and
ended
up on the front cover of the building plans.

Now, if that steering arrangement was also incorporated into the
tailwheel, and
thus it's fairing was also part of the steering...I don't know, but as
the
steering wheel will follow the ruddeer, in the Q-plans I can assume that
the
idea was that the steering wheel, with a fairing over it, would contribute
to
the steering.

My guess of how this developed was that , as they just put an adequate
rudder
surface, and dropped the idea with a two part rudder (cowled
steeringwheel, and
rudder), the cowling over the steering wheel was dropped, as not necessary
for
steering.

The overall aerodynamic gain in a cowled steering wheel probably got lost
, when
this was dropped.

Roger



________________________________
From: Pat Panzera <_panzera@experimental-aviation.com_
(mailto:panzera@experimental-aviation.com) >
To: _Q-LIST@yahoogroups.com_ (mailto:Q-LIST@yahoogroups.com)
Sent: Fri, December 24, 2010 4:51:37 AM
Subject: Re: [Q-LIST] Re: Benefits of streamlining



On Dec 23, 2010, at 8:03 PM, Isaksson Roger <_scratchdeeper@yahoo.com_
(mailto:scratchdeeper@yahoo.com) >
wrote:

If I don't mis remember, the ads in different magazines out for the
very
first
quickie in the -70's, showed the Onan version Quickie with a fairing
over
the
tailwheel. It never caught on though, but hey...it's gotta do
something.
Wasn't that the actual rudder as opposed to simply being a faring?

Pat
Re: Video

Jon Finley <jon@...>
 

Hi Jim,

I agree, it is a great place. Not for everyone though!

My problem is lack of money!! :-) I'd love to have better equipment like
this:
http://cgi.ebay.com/EPIC-HD-Action-Video-Camera-168-degree-Wide-Angle-NEW-/1
60484936816?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_2&hash=item255da5cc70

It would be really neat to find a bullet/lipstick size HD camera with wide
angle lens AND remote control. Maybe Santa will deliver one tonight.

Merry CHRISTmas everyone!!

Jon

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From: Q-LIST@yahoogroups.com [mailto:Q-LIST@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf
Of Jim P
Sent: Monday, December 20, 2010 11:08 AM
To: Q-LIST@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [Q-LIST] Re: Video

Hey Jon,

You've got some great scenery around your neighborhood. I lived in
Albuquerque for awhile. The Sandia range is beautiful.

Have you ever tried tapeing a lipstick type cam to the top of the tail?
That would be a great position to see take off and landings. You could
just send out a video every couple of months so the rest of us can
continue to appreciate long wide runways.

Merry Christmas

Jimbo from KoKomo
Re: Engine Choice

Martin Skiby
 

I have spent a bunch of time at this site an they really seem to have this worked out. Great source of info,

Thanks

--- In Q-LIST@yahoogroups.com, oneskydog@... wrote:

Martin,

If you are interested in a flight proven Corvair conversion and the parts
to make it happen go to William Wynne. His lead time sometimes is very long
but his parts are well engineered and the manufacturing is first class. He
has been flight testing everything he sells and gives free colleges on
building engines, buy his book to start.

_http://flycorvair.com_ (http://flycorvair.com)

I am doing a Dragonfly/Corvair and there are some pictures on the Yahoo
Dragonfly list.

_http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Dragonflylist/photos/album/1015036301/pic/lis
t_
(http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Dragonflylist/photos/album/1015036301/pic/list)

Regards,

Charlie Johnson
One Sky Dog
Ogden, Utah


In a message dated 12/23/2010 6:40:11 P.M. Mountain Standard Time,
dan@... writes:

Hey Martin,
In the newsletter that I just sent out Tuesday, there is an article by
Joseph Snow about doing the W&B with a corvair engine on a Q-200. Joseph
will probably be the first to successfully fly a Q-200 behind a corvair
conversion.

I am also going to try that route, but as of yet, it is not proven, and my
project is still under reconstruction.

Not sure if this helps your decision at all.

Dan Yager
QBA Editor
www.quickheads.com



OK, I hope I am not jumping too far ahead, but I like to get things
worked out far in advance. I am considering a few alternative engines
for
the project. One would be the Jabiru, which I have talked to a few of
you
about. The other I am looking at is the Corvair. Anyone have experience
with this set up that they would like to share good or bad? It looks
like
a nice engine and with the bearings supports I have seen maybe not too
bad
for a Q200. Any information would be great.

Thanks all and have a Merry Christmas!




------------------------------------

Quickie Builders Association WEB site
http://www.quickiebuilders.org

Yahoo! Groups Links






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Re: Engine Choice

Martin Skiby
 

Thanks Joseph,

I will be keeping an eye on your progress. I have taken a look at your page and thank you for all the information. You are the reason that I am looking into this. I have a bunch of experience with the 0200 and it has proven a good power plant, but I am also very interested in an alternative that works. There are so many possibilities with the Corvair that interest me.

I am anxious to see some numbers on your plean,

Thanks

--- In Q-LIST@yahoogroups.com, Joseph M Snow <1flashq@...> wrote:

Hello Martin,
 
I hope to fly my Q2xx behind the Corvair, 110 hp, sometime soon (my project has just received its Special Airworthiness Dertificate).  After the 40 hours, I should be able to tell you much more.  Perhaps you would like to look at my web page at www.corvairq.info.  If you have specific questions, you can contact me at 1flashq@...

Joseph Snow
Q2xx, N240JS
Euclid, Ohio
--- On Thu, 12/23/10, Martin <mskiby@...> wrote:


From: Martin <mskiby@...>
Subject: [Q-LIST] Engine Choice
To: Q-LIST@yahoogroups.com
Date: Thursday, December 23, 2010, 5:21 PM


 



OK, I hope I am not jumping too far ahead, but I like to get things worked out far in advance. I am considering a few alternative engines for the project. One would be the Jabiru, which I have talked to a few of you about. The other I am looking at is the Corvair. Anyone have experience with this set up that they would like to share good or bad? It looks like a nice engine and with the bearings supports I have seen maybe not too bad for a Q200. Any information would be great.

Thanks all and have a Merry Christmas!








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Re: Engine Choice

Pat Panzera <panzera@...>
 

Martin,

These may help:

http://issuu.com/panzera/docs/issue_75

http://issuu.com/panzera/docs/issue_95

Be sure and view them full size.

Pat

On Fri, Dec 24, 2010 at 6:25 AM, Martin <mskiby@bak.rr.com> wrote:


Thank Dan, and yes I did read the article in the newsletter. That is what
has partially peaked my interest. Just doing research for now.

Thanks for the help.
--- In Q-LIST@yahoogroups.com, dan@... wrote:

Hey Martin,
In the newsletter that I just sent out Tuesday, there is an article by
Joseph Snow about doing the W&B with a corvair engine on a Q-200. Joseph
will probably be the first to successfully fly a Q-200 behind a corvair
conversion.

I am also going to try that route, but as of yet, it is not proven, and
my
project is still under reconstruction.

Not sure if this helps your decision at all.

Dan Yager
QBA Editor
www.quickheads.com



OK, I hope I am not jumping too far ahead, but I like to get things
worked out far in advance. I am considering a few alternative engines
for
the project. One would be the Jabiru, which I have talked to a few of
you
about. The other I am looking at is the Corvair. Anyone have
experience
with this set up that they would like to share good or bad? It looks
like
a nice engine and with the bearings supports I have seen maybe not too
bad
for a Q200. Any information would be great.

Thanks all and have a Merry Christmas!




------------------------------------

Quickie Builders Association WEB site
http://www.quickiebuilders.org

Yahoo! Groups Links
Re: Engine Choice

Martin Skiby
 

Thank Dan, and yes I did read the article in the newsletter. That is what has partially peaked my interest. Just doing research for now.

Thanks for the help.

--- In Q-LIST@yahoogroups.com, dan@... wrote:

Hey Martin,
In the newsletter that I just sent out Tuesday, there is an article by
Joseph Snow about doing the W&B with a corvair engine on a Q-200. Joseph
will probably be the first to successfully fly a Q-200 behind a corvair
conversion.

I am also going to try that route, but as of yet, it is not proven, and my
project is still under reconstruction.

Not sure if this helps your decision at all.

Dan Yager
QBA Editor
www.quickheads.com



OK, I hope I am not jumping too far ahead, but I like to get things
worked out far in advance. I am considering a few alternative engines for
the project. One would be the Jabiru, which I have talked to a few of you
about. The other I am looking at is the Corvair. Anyone have experience
with this set up that they would like to share good or bad? It looks like
a nice engine and with the bearings supports I have seen maybe not too bad
for a Q200. Any information would be great.

Thanks all and have a Merry Christmas!
Re: Benefits of streamlining

Pat Panzera <panzera@...>
 


On Dec 23, 2010, at 8:03 PM, Isaksson Roger <scratchdeeper@yahoo.com>
wrote:

If I don't mis remember, the ads in different magazines out for the very
first
quickie in the -70's, showed the Onan version Quickie with a fairing over
the
tailwheel. It never caught on though, but hey...it's gotta do something.

Wasn't that the actual rudder as opposed to simply being a faring?

Pat
Re: Benefits of streamlining

Isaksson Roger <scratchdeeper@...>
 

The weight makes you go mental, and the drag is detrimental, as long it is not
dental....then it is just a drag.

Roger



________________________________
From: Phil Lankford <britmcman@aol.com>
To: "Q-LIST@yahoogroups.com" <Q-LIST@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Thu, December 23, 2010 8:52:57 PM
Subject: Re: [Q-LIST] Re: Benefits of streamlining

 
The penalty of added weight is incremental while the savings of aerodynamics is
exponential.


Phil Lankford

On Dec 23, 2010, at 8:03 PM, Isaksson Roger <scratchdeeper@yahoo.com> wrote:

If I don't mis remember, the ads in different magazines out for the very first
quickie in the -70's, showed the Onan version Quickie with a fairing over the
tailwheel. It never caught on though, but hey...it's gotta do something.

I think it is a matter of things that adds up.

.....the position lights that is not too aerodynamic, the little antenna, the
little temp probe sticking out, the exhaust pipe that sticks out excessively,
the not so flush tanklid, those unsealed gaps, the naked tailwheel, and so
on,

Each one of them doesn't amount to much, but it's like added on weight on the
aircraft,.... it ads up quick.

Roger

________________________________
From: Mike Perry <dmperry1012@att.net>
To: Q-LIST@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Thu, December 23, 2010 10:56:07 AM
Subject: Re: [Q-LIST] Re: Benefits of streamlining


I think the drag of the "aftermarket tail wheel" is less important than
having an airplane you can control on the ground. Also, the tailwheel
hangs in the disturbed air coming off the slip-steam and fuselage, so
perhaps less increase in drag than what showed in this video

However, there could be other solutions. A fairing on the tailwheel? I
remember seeing a D-fly with a fairing on the tailwheel. The owner said
he couldn't tell any difference in climb or cruise, however it was a
very small tailwheel. I don't remember who had that plane.

FWIW -- Mike

On 12/23/2010 1:30 AM, Clive wrote:

Nice one Sam,

That certainly puts drag into perspective.

Looks those aftermarket tails wheels that hang down are a high drag item.

Merry Christmas all.

Clive Gobxoy

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Re: Engine Choice

One Sky Dog
 

Martin,

If you are interested in a flight proven Corvair conversion and the parts
to make it happen go to William Wynne. His lead time sometimes is very long
but his parts are well engineered and the manufacturing is first class. He
has been flight testing everything he sells and gives free colleges on
building engines, buy his book to start.

_http://flycorvair.com_ (http://flycorvair.com)

I am doing a Dragonfly/Corvair and there are some pictures on the Yahoo
Dragonfly list.

_http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Dragonflylist/photos/album/1015036301/pic/lis
t_
(http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Dragonflylist/photos/album/1015036301/pic/list)

Regards,

Charlie Johnson
One Sky Dog
Ogden, Utah

In a message dated 12/23/2010 6:40:11 P.M. Mountain Standard Time,
dan@quickheads.com writes:

Hey Martin,
In the newsletter that I just sent out Tuesday, there is an article by
Joseph Snow about doing the W&B with a corvair engine on a Q-200. Joseph
will probably be the first to successfully fly a Q-200 behind a corvair
conversion.

I am also going to try that route, but as of yet, it is not proven, and my
project is still under reconstruction.

Not sure if this helps your decision at all.

Dan Yager
QBA Editor
www.quickheads.com



OK, I hope I am not jumping too far ahead, but I like to get things
worked out far in advance. I am considering a few alternative engines
for
the project. One would be the Jabiru, which I have talked to a few of
you
about. The other I am looking at is the Corvair. Anyone have experience
with this set up that they would like to share good or bad? It looks
like
a nice engine and with the bearings supports I have seen maybe not too
bad
for a Q200. Any information would be great.

Thanks all and have a Merry Christmas!




------------------------------------

Quickie Builders Association WEB site
http://www.quickiebuilders.org

Yahoo! Groups Links
Re: Video

Jon Finley <jon@...>
 

Rick,

The HD version of the "first posting" was broken (for some reason - that is
something that Vimeo does) but the "standard" version worked (click the "HD"
text and it will say "HD Enabled" or something like that). I re-posted the
exact same video and this time Vimeo seems to have converted it properly.

The direct link to the version with working HD is:
http://www.vimeo.com/18022980

Jon

-----Original Message-----
From: Q-LIST@yahoogroups.com [mailto:Q-LIST@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf
Of Rick Hole
Sent: Thursday, December 23, 2010 9:18 PM
To: Q-LIST@yahoogroups.com
Subject: RE: [Q-LIST] Video

I'd like to watch this if I could figure how to get more than four
seconds
of video. How'd you do it, Mike, when I click Download to Real Player
it is
still only 4 seconds

Rick, Q2 glassing elevator
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