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Re: Working with Phenolic

Sam Hoskins
 

Hi Jim. Are you talking about rulon for the pivot end or the inboard side? I
believeMartin was asking about the inboard phenolic bearings.

Sam



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On Dec 30, 2010 1:05 PM, "Jim P" <logistics_engineering@...> wrote:

Martin,

I believe I'm the guy that pioneered the use of Rulon bushings on Quickies
several years ago and proved that it works. The steel bushings wore out and
I did not want to replace them with like. Many on this list have done the
same with similar results. These bushings can be used on the elevator,
control rods, aileron and rudder pivots.

Someone on this list can provide you with the specifics.



Jim Patillo
N46JP
Q200

Heading to the airport for a trip to Reno this morning.

P.S. Never heard back from you from last conversation regarding giving
your son a ride in Livermore.





--- In Q-LIST@..., "Martin" <mskiby@...> wrote:

There are several pieces of Phenolic that are missing out of the kit that
I just purchased. I know that I can make them from sheet, but wanted to ask
the group the best way to do so. Is it better to have it machined so that
the fit would be the most accurate for the control tubes or can this be done
adequately with a normal drill press and sharp bits? Also is there anyone
that is currently fabricating these parts as I am also missing some of the
bushings for the control tubes and hinge points.

Thanks


Re: Working with Phenolic

Martin Skiby
 

Yes I would love to take you up on the offer for a ride. With the Holidays and
bad weather here we ahve just had to push it out. He is trying to schedule his
check ride and finding a day to get up to Livermore has been tough. Thanks for
the reminder and I will chat with you off line to put it together.

Thanks very much.

--- In Q-LIST@..., "Jim P" <logistics_engineering@...> wrote:


Martin,

I believe I'm the guy that pioneered the use of Rulon bushings on Quickies several years ago and proved that it works. The steel bushings wore out and I did not want to replace them with like. Many on this list have done the same with similar results. These bushings can be used on the elevator, control rods, aileron and rudder pivots.

Someone on this list can provide you with the specifics.



Jim Patillo
N46JP
Q200

Heading to the airport for a trip to Reno this morning.

P.S. Never heard back from you from last conversation regarding giving your son a ride in Livermore.





--- In Q-LIST@..., "Martin" <mskiby@> wrote:

There are several pieces of Phenolic that are missing out of the kit that I just purchased. I know that I can make them from sheet, but wanted to ask the group the best way to do so. Is it better to have it machined so that the fit would be the most accurate for the control tubes or can this be done adequately with a normal drill press and sharp bits? Also is there anyone that is currently fabricating these parts as I am also missing some of the bushings for the control tubes and hinge points.

Thanks


Re: Working with Phenolic

Martin Skiby
 

These look good and would be easily installed as long as they come in the correct sizes.

Thanks Dan, Saved me some work right here. Glad to have this group.

Thanks all.

--- In Q-LIST@..., dan@... wrote:

Several people are using Rulon to replace the pivot bushings. Your
mileage may vary, but you can find them on Amazon here:

http://tinyurl.com/286kwhq

Cheers,
Dan Yager
QBA Editor
www.quickheads.com




The pre-drilled holes on the QAC supplied phenolic were reamed. This
gives
them a more precise dimension that just using a drill press and twist
drills.

The problem comes with using the larger drill diameters required for the
bellcranks. Check around with your buddies, and maybe you can find the
right size reamers. You can also check Ebay.

You son't need superduper expensive ones, since you have just a couple of
holes to ream.

Sam Hoskins
Murphysboro, IL



On Thu, Dec 30, 2010 at 9:58 AM, Martin <mskiby@...> wrote:



There are several pieces of Phenolic that are missing out of the kit
that I
just purchased. I know that I can make them from sheet, but wanted to
ask
the group the best way to do so. Is it better to have it machined so
that
the fit would be the most accurate for the control tubes or can this be
done
adequately with a normal drill press and sharp bits? Also is there
anyone
that is currently fabricating these parts as I am also missing some of
the
bushings for the control tubes and hinge points.

Thanks







------------------------------------

Quickie Builders Association WEB site
http://www.quickiebuilders.org

Yahoo! Groups Links




Re: Working with Phenolic

Martin Skiby
 

Thanks Sam, Good advise. I have some folks to call on for this.

--- In Q-LIST@..., Sam Hoskins <sam.hoskins@...> wrote:

The pre-drilled holes on the QAC supplied phenolic were reamed. This gives
them a more precise dimension that just using a drill press and twist
drills.

The problem comes with using the larger drill diameters required for the
bellcranks. Check around with your buddies, and maybe you can find the
right size reamers. You can also check Ebay.

You son't need superduper expensive ones, since you have just a couple of
holes to ream.

Sam Hoskins
Murphysboro, IL



On Thu, Dec 30, 2010 at 9:58 AM, Martin <mskiby@...> wrote:



There are several pieces of Phenolic that are missing out of the kit that I
just purchased. I know that I can make them from sheet, but wanted to ask
the group the best way to do so. Is it better to have it machined so that
the fit would be the most accurate for the control tubes or can this be done
adequately with a normal drill press and sharp bits? Also is there anyone
that is currently fabricating these parts as I am also missing some of the
bushings for the control tubes and hinge points.

Thanks



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Re: Working with Phenolic

Jim Patillo
 

Martin,

I believe I'm the guy that pioneered the use of Rulon bushings on Quickies several years ago and proved that it works. The steel bushings wore out and I did not want to replace them with like. Many on this list have done the same with similar results. These bushings can be used on the elevator, control rods, aileron and rudder pivots.

Someone on this list can provide you with the specifics.



Jim Patillo
N46JP
Q200

Heading to the airport for a trip to Reno this morning.

P.S. Never heard back from you from last conversation regarding giving your son a ride in Livermore.

--- In Q-LIST@..., "Martin" <mskiby@...> wrote:

There are several pieces of Phenolic that are missing out of the kit that I just purchased. I know that I can make them from sheet, but wanted to ask the group the best way to do so. Is it better to have it machined so that the fit would be the most accurate for the control tubes or can this be done adequately with a normal drill press and sharp bits? Also is there anyone that is currently fabricating these parts as I am also missing some of the bushings for the control tubes and hinge points.

Thanks


Re: Working with Phenolic

quickheads
 

Several people are using Rulon to replace the pivot bushings. Your
mileage may vary, but you can find them on Amazon here:

http://tinyurl.com/286kwhq

Cheers,
Dan Yager
QBA Editor
www.quickheads.com

The pre-drilled holes on the QAC supplied phenolic were reamed. This
gives
them a more precise dimension that just using a drill press and twist
drills.

The problem comes with using the larger drill diameters required for the
bellcranks. Check around with your buddies, and maybe you can find the
right size reamers. You can also check Ebay.

You son't need superduper expensive ones, since you have just a couple of
holes to ream.

Sam Hoskins
Murphysboro, IL



On Thu, Dec 30, 2010 at 9:58 AM, Martin <mskiby@...> wrote:



There are several pieces of Phenolic that are missing out of the kit
that I
just purchased. I know that I can make them from sheet, but wanted to
ask
the group the best way to do so. Is it better to have it machined so
that
the fit would be the most accurate for the control tubes or can this be
done
adequately with a normal drill press and sharp bits? Also is there
anyone
that is currently fabricating these parts as I am also missing some of
the
bushings for the control tubes and hinge points.

Thanks







------------------------------------

Quickie Builders Association WEB site
http://www.quickiebuilders.org

Yahoo! Groups Links




Re: Working with Phenolic

Sam Hoskins
 

The pre-drilled holes on the QAC supplied phenolic were reamed. This gives
them a more precise dimension that just using a drill press and twist
drills.

The problem comes with using the larger drill diameters required for the
bellcranks. Check around with your buddies, and maybe you can find the
right size reamers. You can also check Ebay.

You son't need superduper expensive ones, since you have just a couple of
holes to ream.

Sam Hoskins
Murphysboro, IL



On Thu, Dec 30, 2010 at 9:58 AM, Martin <mskiby@...> wrote:



There are several pieces of Phenolic that are missing out of the kit that I
just purchased. I know that I can make them from sheet, but wanted to ask
the group the best way to do so. Is it better to have it machined so that
the fit would be the most accurate for the control tubes or can this be done
adequately with a normal drill press and sharp bits? Also is there anyone
that is currently fabricating these parts as I am also missing some of the
bushings for the control tubes and hinge points.

Thanks



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Working with Phenolic

Martin Skiby
 

There are several pieces of Phenolic that are missing out of the kit that I just purchased. I know that I can make them from sheet, but wanted to ask the group the best way to do so. Is it better to have it machined so that the fit would be the most accurate for the control tubes or can this be done adequately with a normal drill press and sharp bits? Also is there anyone that is currently fabricating these parts as I am also missing some of the bushings for the control tubes and hinge points.

Thanks


Q2

Reg Clarke <airryder@...>
 

Fueling at Beatrice going to Springfield MO
Reg


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Delivering Q2 Springfield MO fueling at Beatrice

Reg Clarke <airryder@...>
 

----------


Tri-Q Plans. . .

quickheads
 

I made a TRI-Q Tab on the top menu of the QBA website. I also scanned all of the pages of the Tri-Q plans and posted them online with searchable text.

http://www.quickheads.com/triq-plans/

I have an e-mail out to Scott Swing to see if we can get the original construction photos, but if anyone has better copies in the meantime, please let me know, and I will post them.

http://www.quickheads.com/tri-q-construction-photos.html

Warm regards,
Dan Yager
QBA Editor
www.quickheads.com


Re: Upgrading to auto plugs and wires

Clive Clapham
 

here's the link a link to convert to automoyive plug wires, Sam Hoskins posted it to the engine list,i don't knoe how to do taht so here's teh link.

http://longezpilot.com/PG10%20Making%20Plug%20Wires.htm

Merry Crimble and a happy new year

Clive ......G0bxoy

--- In Q-LIST@..., Dave Dugas <davedq2@...> wrote:

Brad
These are the wires that I use, and I think Rene Robertson uses too.  I converted the mags myself and have had no problems.
http://auroraignitionwires.com/index1.html
 
I drilled out the cover and used a little silicone sealer and pop rivets.  Its a snug fit for the wire and very secure.  These wires totally eliminated the loud interference on my COM.
 
Dave Dugas

--- On Tue, 12/28/10, Brad <them_beans@...> wrote:


From: Brad <them_beans@...>
Subject: [Q-LIST] Upgrading to auto plugs and wires
To: Q-LIST@...
Date: Tuesday, December 28, 2010, 11:47 AM


 



Wise Members,
I bought a Q2 a few months ago and need to spruce her up. After sitting for a year it appears that I have a spark issue, so I pulled the spark plugs (magnetos are next, yikes). I have a mixture of plug types and queried Joe Horvath at Revmaster as to the best course of action.
He mentioned the upgrade he does. I would need to remove the magneto harness cover and send it in for an upgrade to 8mm wires at a cost of $300. This enables the use of auto plugs.
A brief search of the Q Forum showed that several here have done this. I am new to this engine and am slowly working thru the engine manual, but is this an involved process to remove this harness (and are there diagrams to get me through the disassembly?). I want to know what and where all of the components are!
Thanks in advance for your responses,
Brad

Brad Boyd
N11FK
Wilmington, DE
302-377-4479











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[MountainStates] 2011 Event

Pat Panzera <panzera@...>
 

Friends,

If you are interested in helping with the planning and coordination of this
year's event, we have a dedicated yahoo group that you are welcome to join.

http://groups.yahoo.com/group/MountainStates/

<http://groups.yahoo.com/group/MountainStates/>Maybe consider joining the
group and helping us make this the best event ever.

... and we need more Dragonflys there this year!!!

Thanks!

Pat

---------- Forwarded message ----------
From: Patrick P <panzera@...>
Date: Tue, Dec 28, 2010 at 5:42 PM
Subject: [MountainStates] 2011 Event
To: MountainStates@...


Gents,

It's time to pick a date for the Mountain States Tandem Wing Fly-in.

This year SnF is earlier than usual. Mar 29 - Apr 3

The following weekend could work for me, April 8-10, but for some reason Don
Stewart always wanted it after April 15 for tax reasons.

The following weekend is out for me, (but I could make it if I absolutely
HAD to do it) and the weekend after that is Easter.

The last weekend in April is the Laughlin River Run, which usually means our
hotel is overrun by bikers.

The first weekend in May is Mother's Day, but the second weekend could work.
But by May, it's getting hot in NV, but it means our friends from the frozen
north shouldn't have issues getting there.


Re: Upgrading to auto plugs and wires

Dave Dugas
 

Brad
These are the wires that I use, and I think Rene Robertson uses too.  I converted the mags myself and have had no problems.
http://auroraignitionwires.com/index1.html
 
I drilled out the cover and used a little silicone sealer and pop rivets.  Its a snug fit for the wire and very secure.  These wires totally eliminated the loud interference on my COM.
 
Dave Dugas

--- On Tue, 12/28/10, Brad <them_beans@...> wrote:


From: Brad <them_beans@...>
Subject: [Q-LIST] Upgrading to auto plugs and wires
To: Q-LIST@...
Date: Tuesday, December 28, 2010, 11:47 AM


 



Wise Members,
I bought a Q2 a few months ago and need to spruce her up. After sitting for a year it appears that I have a spark issue, so I pulled the spark plugs (magnetos are next, yikes). I have a mixture of plug types and queried Joe Horvath at Revmaster as to the best course of action.
He mentioned the upgrade he does. I would need to remove the magneto harness cover and send it in for an upgrade to 8mm wires at a cost of $300. This enables the use of auto plugs.
A brief search of the Q Forum showed that several here have done this. I am new to this engine and am slowly working thru the engine manual, but is this an involved process to remove this harness (and are there diagrams to get me through the disassembly?). I want to know what and where all of the components are!
Thanks in advance for your responses,
Brad

Brad Boyd
N11FK
Wilmington, DE
302-377-4479


Upgrading to auto plugs and wires

Brad <them_beans@...>
 

Wise Members,
I bought a Q2 a few months ago and need to spruce her up. After sitting for a year it appears that I have a spark issue, so I pulled the spark plugs (magnetos are next, yikes). I have a mixture of plug types and queried Joe Horvath at Revmaster as to the best course of action.
He mentioned the upgrade he does. I would need to remove the magneto harness cover and send it in for an upgrade to 8mm wires at a cost of $300. This enables the use of auto plugs.
A brief search of the Q Forum showed that several here have done this. I am new to this engine and am slowly working thru the engine manual, but is this an involved process to remove this harness (and are there diagrams to get me through the disassembly?). I want to know what and where all of the components are!
Thanks in advance for your responses,
Brad

Brad Boyd
N11FK
Wilmington, DE
302-377-4479


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Re: Benefits of streamlining

Isaksson Roger <scratchdeeper@...>
 

Leon,

I don't think the rudder was just cobbled together, Terry here is attesting to
that there was several rudder designs that was tested. As it came out in
kitform, the Q, Q2 and Q-200, I am not aware of that there are, or have been a
big burning  issue in the aftermath with the rudder itself.

Nothing is perfect, and I am sure builders have made improvements on most
anything on this aircraft, being simple, I see that as an advantage,and it
seems like the rudder have adequate aerodynamic autority.

The tailwheel though was not too much to hang in the Juletree, the geometry make
it sit on a highspot , how they could miss on that one is beyond me, and on that
issue I agree, it was cobbled together, (maybe that's what you ment) and a much
better design could have been in the kit, without too much of a
brainactivity...it was so obvious.

Either way, ...we got to development history in QAC in the -70's,... from the
subject of aerodynamics and the benefit of streamlining,.... that's pretty good.

How do we tie this together, ???.... ok make a slipstream cover for the
tailwheel...

Merry Merry and Happy Happy

Roger


 



________________________________
From: halfvw <leoncasper@...>
To: Q-LIST@...
Sent: Sat, December 25, 2010 7:47:55 PM
Subject: [Q-LIST] Re: Benefits of streamlining

 
And this is how we ended up needing one of the Jim/Bob 6 pack modifications.

The prototype Quickie first flew with only a faired tail wheel for the rudder.
When it was determined that it was inadequate they simply patched on a basic
rudder, which never got refined before the Quickie was put on the market. The
Q-2 simply copied the cobbled together Quickie tailwheel/rudder setup.
=============
Leon

--- In Q-LIST@..., Q1terryMDT@... wrote:


Hi Guys,

The Q1 prototype reportedly flew fine with the tailwheel fin as the
rudder until they encountered a crosswind. Then the tailwheel fin went away and

several different rudder designs and ground angle of attach reduction
before flight testing was completed.

Terry

In a message dated 12/24/2010 8:26:58 P.M. Central Standard Time,
scratchdeeper@... writes:

Pat,

You got me curious, and I started to dig into some old litterature, and
you just
might be right on this one.

On the very first page , the front cover, of the Quickie construction
Plans of
the Onan quickie, there is a three dimensional drawing above/side/front
where
on the side drawing, ...studying that section of the aricraft, you see a
fairing
over the tailwheel.

However, ...also, looking at the fin, and the movable finsurface, you can
also
see that the rudder looks like it is only a couple of inches.

It is only a sliver of a rudder, the rudder looks like a 2 inch ruler
about, a
very small flat stick along the trailing edge of the fin, a feature that
in the
plans is not incorporated, the plans actually calls for a normal
propotioned
rudder surface, and is described in details in the building plans. The
rudder
built per plans does not look like the rudder on the front page.

Apparently the original Quickie had a different steering arrangement , and
ended
up on the front cover of the building plans.

Now, if that steering arrangement was also incorporated into the
tailwheel, and
thus it's fairing was also part of the steering...I don't know, but as
the
steering wheel will follow the ruddeer, in the Q-plans I can assume that
the
idea was that the steering wheel, with a fairing over it, would contribute
to
the steering.

My guess of how this developed was that , as they just put an adequate
rudder
surface, and dropped the idea with a two part rudder (cowled
steeringwheel, and
rudder), the cowling over the steering wheel was dropped, as not necessary
for
steering.

The overall aerodynamic gain in a cowled steering wheel probably got lost
, when
this was dropped.

Roger



________________________________
From: Pat Panzera <_panzera@..._
(mailto:panzera@...) >
To: _Q-LIST@... (mailto:Q-LIST@...)
Sent: Fri, December 24, 2010 4:51:37 AM
Subject: Re: [Q-LIST] Re: Benefits of streamlining



On Dec 23, 2010, at 8:03 PM, Isaksson Roger <_scratchdeeper@..._
(mailto:scratchdeeper@...) >
wrote:

If I don't mis remember, the ads in different magazines out for the
very
first
quickie in the -70's, showed the Onan version Quickie with a fairing
over
the
tailwheel. It never caught on though, but hey...it's gotta do
something.
Wasn't that the actual rudder as opposed to simply being a faring?

Pat






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Re: Benefits of streamlining

Leon
 

And this is how we ended up needing one of the Jim/Bob 6 pack modifications.

The prototype Quickie first flew with only a faired tail wheel for the rudder. When it was determined that it was inadequate they simply patched on a basic rudder, which never got refined before the Quickie was put on the market. The Q-2 simply copied the cobbled together Quickie tailwheel/rudder setup.
=============
Leon

--- In Q-LIST@..., Q1terryMDT@... wrote:


Hi Guys,

The Q1 prototype reportedly flew fine with the tailwheel fin as the
rudder until they encountered a crosswind. Then the tailwheel fin went away and
several different rudder designs and ground angle of attach reduction
before flight testing was completed.

Terry

In a message dated 12/24/2010 8:26:58 P.M. Central Standard Time,
scratchdeeper@... writes:

Pat,

You got me curious, and I started to dig into some old litterature, and
you just
might be right on this one.

On the very first page , the front cover, of the Quickie construction
Plans of
the Onan quickie, there is a three dimensional drawing above/side/front
where
on the side drawing, ...studying that section of the aricraft, you see a
fairing
over the tailwheel.

However, ...also, looking at the fin, and the movable finsurface, you can
also
see that the rudder looks like it is only a couple of inches.

It is only a sliver of a rudder, the rudder looks like a 2 inch ruler
about, a
very small flat stick along the trailing edge of the fin, a feature that
in the
plans is not incorporated, the plans actually calls for a normal
propotioned
rudder surface, and is described in details in the building plans. The
rudder
built per plans does not look like the rudder on the front page.

Apparently the original Quickie had a different steering arrangement , and
ended
up on the front cover of the building plans.

Now, if that steering arrangement was also incorporated into the
tailwheel, and
thus it's fairing was also part of the steering...I don't know, but as
the
steering wheel will follow the ruddeer, in the Q-plans I can assume that
the
idea was that the steering wheel, with a fairing over it, would contribute
to
the steering.

My guess of how this developed was that , as they just put an adequate
rudder
surface, and dropped the idea with a two part rudder (cowled
steeringwheel, and
rudder), the cowling over the steering wheel was dropped, as not necessary
for
steering.

The overall aerodynamic gain in a cowled steering wheel probably got lost
, when
this was dropped.

Roger



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From: Pat Panzera <_panzera@..._
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On Dec 23, 2010, at 8:03 PM, Isaksson Roger <_scratchdeeper@..._
(mailto:scratchdeeper@...) >
wrote:

If I don't mis remember, the ads in different magazines out for the
very
first
quickie in the -70's, showed the Onan version Quickie with a fairing
over
the
tailwheel. It never caught on though, but hey...it's gotta do
something.
Wasn't that the actual rudder as opposed to simply being a faring?

Pat






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Yes he does and Merry Christmas to you also. Hope you all had a nice one Darrell

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Merry Christmas! "Jesus loves me"!!! And you to!! Thanking Him for the opportunity of building and flying!!Bruce Crain

Hope Santa made it safely last night to you and yours!

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Kevin Boddicker
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Merry Christmas! "Jesus loves me"!!! And you to!! Thanking Him for the opportunity of building and flying!!Bruce Crain

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