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Re: CS prop on Q2?

Martin Skiby
 

This is a good question. I will shoot him an e-mail and see. I just assumed that he would make them for all sizes.

--- In Q-LIST@..., "Jim P" <logistics_engineering@...> wrote:

Martin,

I didn't think Gary was making props for the 0200. Last I heard it was only for the LYC. Alan Thayer got a new one the other day for his Long EZE and it really looked nice.

Regards,

Off to Golden West in Marysville for the EAA fly in.

Jim Patillo
N46JP

--- In Q-LIST@..., "Martin" <mskiby@> wrote:

I would agree. Also Prince has done a pretty good job. One that I will be trying is the silver bullet from Gary Hertzler. It is a very low drag prop that gives great climb as well as cruise performance.

--- In Q-LIST@..., Sam Hoskins <sam.hoskins@> wrote:

Before you go to all that trouble and $$$ for an MT, you might want to give
Craig Catto a call. He makes great props and really lnows his stuff.

http://www.cattoprops.com/

Sam


On Thu, Jun 9, 2011 at 8:39 PM, Richard <mylittlemgb@> wrote:



Myself I would use the MT prop, I have had the chance to fly behind the
Woodcomp prop and it is a nice unit. From what I have seen the MT seems to
be the most used option. Regardless you won't be going wrong. When using a
fixed pitch prop you're compromising on cruise and climb. The cost is the
reason most go with the fixed pitch and ground adjustable gives the
opportunity to change your mind. Constant speed gives you all the above.

Richard

--- In Q-LIST@..., "flyboy" <patrickrameau@> wrote:

My Tri-Q200 has a Warp Drive, ground-adjustable prop. Being in a hot,
high area (Arizona), I would love to have choices beyond "stuck with climb
prop or stuck with cruise prop." Do any Quickies have an in-flight
adjustable prop installed? Anyone have experience using them with an 0-200?
www.woodcomp.com is a Czech company that makes an electric one, as does
www.ivoprop.com, and the prices seem reasonable. Does anyone know any
sound mechanical/aerodynamic reasons NOT to proceed with that plan? Are they
really as "bolt and fly" as their websites claim?
While I love my new Quickie, both the climb (when loaded) and the top
speed seem less than they should be. Thanks in advance!


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Motors for Q1's

Martin Burns
 

There is new 4 stroke 35 HP engine from Czechoslovakia which looks very
good for the Q1. It is very light at only about 60 lb, but fairly
expensive at about 3000 Euros.
See:
http://www.vernermotor.com/index.asp?sec=41

Martin Burns
G-BKSE Q1 Scotland

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Subject: [Q-LIST] Subaru motors for Q1's




For all you Q1 guys out there, here is another motor option I ran across
with potential, when one likes to keep similar to the Onan setup.
Very nice motors! http://robinamerica.com/pfeatures.aspx?pid=225
Jason






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Re: New Video!!

Bruce Crain
 

OK Dan!Mr. Magoo has dood it again! I uploaded my "Angel Fire Flight" to Quick Heads web site. It was easy 'cause I followed the instructions! Duh! Am soo proud o' mah sef'!Bruce Crain
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Subaru motors for Q1's

fg13fg <fg13fg@...>
 

For all you Q1 guys out there, here is another motor option I ran across with potential, when one likes to keep similar to the Onan setup.
Very nice motors! http://robinamerica.com/pfeatures.aspx?pid=225
Jason


Re: CS prop on Q2?

Jim Patillo
 

Martin,

I didn't think Gary was making props for the 0200. Last I heard it was only for the LYC. Alan Thayer got a new one the other day for his Long EZE and it really looked nice.

Regards,

Off to Golden West in Marysville for the EAA fly in.

Jim Patillo
N46JP

--- In Q-LIST@..., "Martin" <mskiby@...> wrote:

I would agree. Also Prince has done a pretty good job. One that I will be trying is the silver bullet from Gary Hertzler. It is a very low drag prop that gives great climb as well as cruise performance.

--- In Q-LIST@..., Sam Hoskins <sam.hoskins@> wrote:

Before you go to all that trouble and $$$ for an MT, you might want to give
Craig Catto a call. He makes great props and really lnows his stuff.

http://www.cattoprops.com/

Sam


On Thu, Jun 9, 2011 at 8:39 PM, Richard <mylittlemgb@> wrote:



Myself I would use the MT prop, I have had the chance to fly behind the
Woodcomp prop and it is a nice unit. From what I have seen the MT seems to
be the most used option. Regardless you won't be going wrong. When using a
fixed pitch prop you're compromising on cruise and climb. The cost is the
reason most go with the fixed pitch and ground adjustable gives the
opportunity to change your mind. Constant speed gives you all the above.

Richard

--- In Q-LIST@..., "flyboy" <patrickrameau@> wrote:

My Tri-Q200 has a Warp Drive, ground-adjustable prop. Being in a hot,
high area (Arizona), I would love to have choices beyond "stuck with climb
prop or stuck with cruise prop." Do any Quickies have an in-flight
adjustable prop installed? Anyone have experience using them with an 0-200?
www.woodcomp.com is a Czech company that makes an electric one, as does
www.ivoprop.com, and the prices seem reasonable. Does anyone know any
sound mechanical/aerodynamic reasons NOT to proceed with that plan? Are they
really as "bolt and fly" as their websites claim?
While I love my new Quickie, both the climb (when loaded) and the top
speed seem less than they should be. Thanks in advance!


[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]


Re: CS prop on Q2?

Martin Skiby
 

I would agree. Also Prince has done a pretty good job. One that I will be trying is the silver bullet from Gary Hertzler. It is a very low drag prop that gives great climb as well as cruise performance.

--- In Q-LIST@..., Sam Hoskins <sam.hoskins@...> wrote:

Before you go to all that trouble and $$$ for an MT, you might want to give
Craig Catto a call. He makes great props and really lnows his stuff.

http://www.cattoprops.com/

Sam


On Thu, Jun 9, 2011 at 8:39 PM, Richard <mylittlemgb@...> wrote:



Myself I would use the MT prop, I have had the chance to fly behind the
Woodcomp prop and it is a nice unit. From what I have seen the MT seems to
be the most used option. Regardless you won't be going wrong. When using a
fixed pitch prop you're compromising on cruise and climb. The cost is the
reason most go with the fixed pitch and ground adjustable gives the
opportunity to change your mind. Constant speed gives you all the above.

Richard

--- In Q-LIST@..., "flyboy" <patrickrameau@> wrote:

My Tri-Q200 has a Warp Drive, ground-adjustable prop. Being in a hot,
high area (Arizona), I would love to have choices beyond "stuck with climb
prop or stuck with cruise prop." Do any Quickies have an in-flight
adjustable prop installed? Anyone have experience using them with an 0-200?
www.woodcomp.com is a Czech company that makes an electric one, as does
www.ivoprop.com, and the prices seem reasonable. Does anyone know any
sound mechanical/aerodynamic reasons NOT to proceed with that plan? Are they
really as "bolt and fly" as their websites claim?
While I love my new Quickie, both the climb (when loaded) and the top
speed seem less than they should be. Thanks in advance!


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Re: Epoxy

Martin Skiby
 

I am using EZ Poxy, but you can also use the Aero Poxy as well they are both a high strength structural bond. West should only be used for non structural and fill applications. It does not have a high enough stress rating to be used in a structure layup. This is per the Rutan aircraft factory.

--- In Q-LIST@..., epadams@... wrote:

What type epoxy is everyone using these days is it E-Zpoxy or some other brand. Does anyone have any of the old safe-t-poxy hardener (Part D hardener) that is still good and unopened. I know there is a health risk with it and some say it's not good but there are a lot of aircraft built with this old epoxy. Please reply (epadams@...).


Re: Epoxy

Rick Hole
 

West is great for non-structural components. I would not build wings,
control surfaces, etc. with it. EZ Poxy is equal to Safety-poxy, time
tested, and only a health problem if you are a rat in California :-)



Rick Hole
N1711Q Q200 panel in final assembly, looking good


Re: CS prop on Q2?

Sam Hoskins
 

Before you go to all that trouble and $$$ for an MT, you might want to give
Craig Catto a call. He makes great props and really lnows his stuff.

http://www.cattoprops.com/

Sam

On Thu, Jun 9, 2011 at 8:39 PM, Richard <mylittlemgb@...> wrote:



Myself I would use the MT prop, I have had the chance to fly behind the
Woodcomp prop and it is a nice unit. From what I have seen the MT seems to
be the most used option. Regardless you won't be going wrong. When using a
fixed pitch prop you're compromising on cruise and climb. The cost is the
reason most go with the fixed pitch and ground adjustable gives the
opportunity to change your mind. Constant speed gives you all the above.

Richard

--- In Q-LIST@..., "flyboy" <patrickrameau@...> wrote:

My Tri-Q200 has a Warp Drive, ground-adjustable prop. Being in a hot,
high area (Arizona), I would love to have choices beyond "stuck with climb
prop or stuck with cruise prop." Do any Quickies have an in-flight
adjustable prop installed? Anyone have experience using them with an 0-200?
www.woodcomp.com is a Czech company that makes an electric one, as does
www.ivoprop.com, and the prices seem reasonable. Does anyone know any
sound mechanical/aerodynamic reasons NOT to proceed with that plan? Are they
really as "bolt and fly" as their websites claim?
While I love my new Quickie, both the climb (when loaded) and the top
speed seem less than they should be. Thanks in advance!


Re: Epoxy

John Loram <johnl@...>
 

For structural layups I use E-Zpoxy. It seems to me that I've heard of other
structural epoxies, but the E-Zpoxy is what Rutan recommended after the
original stuff became unavailable.

For filling and sanding I use West System with their Microlight (410)
filler.

-john-


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From: Q-LIST@... [mailto:Q-LIST@...] On Behalf Of
epadams@...
Sent: Wednesday, June 08, 2011 10:20 AM
To: Q-LIST@...
Subject: [Q-LIST] Epoxy




What type epoxy is everyone using these days is it E-Zpoxy or some other
brand. Does anyone have any of the old safe-t-poxy hardener (Part D
hardener) that is still good and unopened. I know there is a health risk
with it and some say it's not good but there are a lot of aircraft built
with this old epoxy. Please reply (epadams@...
<mailto:epadams%40frontier.com> ).


Re: CS prop on Q2?

Bruce Crain
 

Myself and Earnest Martin have MT props on TriQ 200s. I love the prop! You will too.Bruce Crain ---------- Original Message ----------
From: "Richard" <mylittlemgb@...>
To: Q-LIST@...
Subject: [Q-LIST] Re: CS prop on Q2?
Date: Fri, 10 Jun 2011 01:39:08 -0000


Myself I would use the MT prop, I have had the chance to fly behind the Woodcomp prop and it is a nice unit. From what I have seen the MT seems to be the most used option. Regardless you won't be going wrong. When using a fixed pitch prop you're compromising on cruise and climb. The cost is the reason most go with the fixed pitch and ground adjustable gives the opportunity to change your mind. Constant speed gives you all the above.

Richard
--- In Q-LIST@..., "flyboy" <patrickrameau@...> wrote:
>
> My Tri-Q200 has a Warp Drive, ground-adjustable prop. Being in a hot, high area (Arizona), I would love to have choices beyond "stuck with climb prop or stuck with cruise prop." Do any Quickies have an in-flight adjustable prop installed? Anyone have experience using them with an 0-200? www.woodcomp.com is a Czech company that makes an electric one, as does www.ivoprop.com, and the prices seem reasonable. Does anyone know any sound mechanical/aerodynamic reasons NOT to proceed with that plan? Are they really as "bolt and fly" as their websites claim?
> While I love my new Quickie, both the climb (when loaded) and the top speed seem less than they should be. Thanks in advance!
>



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Re: Epoxy

Richard <mylittlemgb@...>
 

I find myself using more West Systems Epoxy. The biggest reason why is I can pick it up at any boat shop. This saves me in shipping cost and I hate to wait for things to come in. Most of the time I find out I need more when I need to get something done quick. This saves me in the event of my poor planning. E-Z Poxy and Poly Epoxy also work very well. Just try to stay away from Vinyl Ester the stuff is very bad for your heath unless you take the proper precausions like Tyvex suite and fresh air mask.

--- In Q-LIST@..., epadams@... wrote:

What type epoxy is everyone using these days is it E-Zpoxy or some other brand. Does anyone have any of the old safe-t-poxy hardener (Part D hardener) that is still good and unopened. I know there is a health risk with it and some say it's not good but there are a lot of aircraft built with this old epoxy. Please reply (epadams@...).


Re: CS prop on Q2?

Richard <mylittlemgb@...>
 

Myself I would use the MT prop, I have had the chance to fly behind the Woodcomp prop and it is a nice unit. From what I have seen the MT seems to be the most used option. Regardless you won't be going wrong. When using a fixed pitch prop you're compromising on cruise and climb. The cost is the reason most go with the fixed pitch and ground adjustable gives the opportunity to change your mind. Constant speed gives you all the above.

Richard

--- In Q-LIST@..., "flyboy" <patrickrameau@...> wrote:

My Tri-Q200 has a Warp Drive, ground-adjustable prop. Being in a hot, high area (Arizona), I would love to have choices beyond "stuck with climb prop or stuck with cruise prop." Do any Quickies have an in-flight adjustable prop installed? Anyone have experience using them with an 0-200? www.woodcomp.com is a Czech company that makes an electric one, as does www.ivoprop.com, and the prices seem reasonable. Does anyone know any sound mechanical/aerodynamic reasons NOT to proceed with that plan? Are they really as "bolt and fly" as their websites claim?
While I love my new Quickie, both the climb (when loaded) and the top speed seem less than they should be. Thanks in advance!


Re: CS prop on Q2?

Deems Herring
 

I don't get anything related to propellers from the first one but my experience with the Ivo prop is that the airfoil is not optimized for the diameter / speed requirements of Q's. Bruce run's an MT I believe and I am sure he will chime in here. 
I haven't tried one yet but you might check with these guys: http://www.variprop.com/products.html What kind of static rpm vs cruise rpm are you seeing for a given pitch/


Deems



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From: flyboy <patrickrameau@...>
To: Q-LIST@...
Sent: Thursday, June 9, 2011 4:52 PM
Subject: [Q-LIST] CS prop on Q2?


 
My Tri-Q200 has a Warp Drive, ground-adjustable prop. Being in a hot, high area (Arizona), I would love to have choices beyond "stuck with climb prop or stuck with cruise prop." Do any Quickies have an in-flight adjustable prop installed? Anyone have experience using them with an 0-200? www.woodcomp.com is a Czech company that makes an electric one, as does www.ivoprop.com, and the prices seem reasonable. Does anyone know any sound mechanical/aerodynamic reasons NOT to proceed with that plan? Are they really as "bolt and fly" as their websites claim?
While I love my new Quickie, both the climb (when loaded) and the top speed seem less than they should be. Thanks in advance!




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CS prop on Q2?

Patrick Rameau
 

My Tri-Q200 has a Warp Drive, ground-adjustable prop. Being in a hot, high area (Arizona), I would love to have choices beyond "stuck with climb prop or stuck with cruise prop." Do any Quickies have an in-flight adjustable prop installed? Anyone have experience using them with an 0-200? www.woodcomp.com is a Czech company that makes an electric one, as does www.ivoprop.com, and the prices seem reasonable. Does anyone know any sound mechanical/aerodynamic reasons NOT to proceed with that plan? Are they really as "bolt and fly" as their websites claim?
While I love my new Quickie, both the climb (when loaded) and the top speed seem less than they should be. Thanks in advance!


Nice looking Dragonfly - Mark II - on eBay

quickheads
 

Have a look, seems to be in good shape to me:

http://tinyurl.com/3le254d

Cheers,
Dan Yager
QBA Editor
www.quickheads.com


Alternative Engine Round-Up - #8

Patrick P <panzera@...>
 

Friends,

This is my last note on the subject.

If you have an aircraft powered by an alternative engine and you are
willing to fly it in to Golden West on Saturday, June 11th, to share
it with others who will appreciate what you've done, here is your
ticket (for you and your passengers) to attend for free.

http://www.contactmagazine.com/Downloads/GW-AER.pdf

Once you land, just show it to the parking people (simply hold it up in your windscreen) to get directed to our parking location:
http://www.contactmagazine.com/Roundup/Parking-a.jpg

If you need to speak to me I'll be on the road most of tomorrow but
will answer my mail later in the day.

Editor@...

See ya there!

Pat
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Epoxy

epadams@...
 

What type epoxy is everyone using these days is it E-Zpoxy or some other brand. Does anyone have any of the old safe-t-poxy hardener (Part D hardener) that is still good and unopened. I know there is a health risk with it and some say it's not good but there are a lot of aircraft built with this old epoxy. Please reply (epadams@...).


For The Why???

Rich Gillen
 

Hello Bounds:

None of Rotax's 2 cycle engines, and most of their 4 strokes, are not
certified for airplane use. If you don't understand any engines limitations,
whether it's a 503UL or a 500 sled motor, a 582UL or a 583, out of a sled.
They are both, doomed to fail. A 337UL, 447UL, 503UL, 532UL, 582UL, 618UL's,
all fail to. Whether it be, cranks, rods, pistons, bearings, gaskets, oil
injection, high rpm's, etc. Using poor fuel(low octane) is probably the
leading cause of most failures from my research. Different 2 cycle oils do play
into the mix as well. There are usually many reasons why any motor fails.
Some times it's a chain reaction of events. Some times, it's hard to
isolate the problem.

I said to run the sled motors along the same guide lines(That's RPM's,
Maintenance, pipe, etc) as the UL motors, and they should give you the same,
but cheaper service life. Of course, I expect you to do a total basic
rebuild on the motor, not just pull it out of a high mileage sled and go flying.
Unless you know the history of the motor personally. Like if, it was just
recently all rebuilt, and had very low hours on it still, then I probably
wouldn't do it either, as long as I new the history.

Just a couple of weeks ago, a guy lost his 582UL crank with only 220hrs on
a brand new engine on one of my groups. Another had a rod go and wrecked
the block. I believe the crank guy was quoted $1600 for just a new crank, not
including labor. A 582UL block is around $2500 I think. Yet another guy
has 1200 hrs on his original 582 crank.
_http://jbmindustries.com/582.html_ (http://jbmindustries.com/582.html)

Other than a dual plug head, dual ignition, and a different pipe, and the
block drilled and tapped with the Provision 8 holes. Otherwise their about
identical, even have a lot of the same part numbers. Some sled motors have
RAVE valves, like the 618UL does. They also made a 580(same bore & stroke as
a 582) with out RAVE valves.

UL motors don't have any special "heat rejection capability" as you say.
You simply have air cooled motors, and water cooled motors. Water cooled
motors seem to last longer and have higher HP numbers than air cooled motors!
Skidoo/Rotax still makes a 550F, 2011. I have seen 57hp - 72hp at 6500rpm
numbers, depending on year.

UL motors are just not run, at the higher sled MAX RPM's. Most 447UL -
582UL motors are listed at, MAX 6500rpm, the 618UL was listed at MAX 6800rpm.
Most sled engines, HP numbers, are listed between 7800rpm - 8400rpm.

Most people fly between 4000rpm - 6250rpm with UL motors. A 670 makes 97hp
at 6600rpm, 90.1hp at 6400rpm, still makes 59.7hp at 5000rpm's.

There are Dyno sheets to prove, not guess, what most Rotax engines used in
planes, make at what rpm. Here is one web site, that has UL motors and
some sled motors with UL pipes that were Dyno tested.

_http://www.rotaxservices.com/dyno.html_
(http://www.rotaxservices.com/dyno.html)

Rich Gillen
Ames, IA

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4b. Re: For The Why???
Posted by: "Robert Bounds" rebounds@... boundsie2000
Date: Fri Jun 3, 2011 4:49 pm ((PDT))

----- Original Message -----
From: Armilite@...
To: Q-LIST@...
Sent: Friday, June 03, 2011 3:34 PM
Subject: [Q-LIST] For The Why???

Reggie:

The Super Quickie(Q1) conversion was I think a 503UL(50hp) air cooled
engine. Even a 447UL(40hp) was a great improvement, since it came only
with a
22hp Onan generator engine originally.

There was a guy who put a 583(97hp) sled motor in a Quickie(Q1) many years
ago, movie still on YouTube.
Don't know any facts about the engine/drive combo, if it had been rebuilt,
or just pulled out of a sled and
put in the plane, or what RPM's he ran, or what fuel he used, or what pipe
he used, or what oil he was running in it, etc. Be nice to know all the
data.

Guys,

I flew a Super Q-1 for 250 hours many years ago. It performed great after
I finally figured out the tuning. The guy with the 583 Q-1 was known as
"Captain Nitro". So named by Masal for his plan to add a nitrous injection
system to his engine. I can't recall the guys real name. The plane was a
tremendous performer. Yeehaa! That engine sawed the case in two when it
broke a rod after a few hours in the air. These sled motors are not
suitable for aircraft use. PERIOD! They don't have the heat rejection
capability that's necessary at the continuous high power settings that aircraft run.
503's and 582's may seem like they are grossly detuned but that's what it
takes to operate in an aircraft. If you want to try this stuff, do it on
a Quicksilver or a powered parachute, not on a Q-1. With their high
landing speeds and tiny wheels, Q's don't do well landing in grandpa's wheat
field. Ahhh. I'm okay now. Sorry. I just don't want to see anybody hurt in
an airplane that is as fun as a Q.

Bounds


Re: Big Muddy Race results

quickheads
 

Congrats Sam! Great Job! 210! Whoo-Hoo!

Awesome!

Dan Yager
QBA Editor
www.quickheads.com

On Sun, 5 Jun 2011 08:58:33 -0500, Sam Hoskins wrote:
The 2011 Big Muddy Air Race is now in the bag!

My EC3 controlled, O-200 ran about 3,100 RPM for the race, in 92
degree
heat.

Several entries scratched before the race, so we ran with a field of
17
aircraft for the 162 nm course. The winds were low, so most people
stayed
low. The flooding along the rivers was still apparent, but had gone
down a
lot since I scouted the route a couple of weeks ago. Just past Turn
2, I was
over the Mississippi river about 800 feet and a bald eagle passed
off my
left wing. How's that for a good omen?

On Friday night we had an excellent time at the Pinch Penny pub,
sucking
down some Saluki Dunkle Dog beer, brewed by the Big Muddy Brewery -
a race
sponsor.

We had lots of support from Southern Illinois University, the
student group
Rotor & Wing Association, and all the volunteers. Thanks to everyone
who
came long distances to be here. I had a lot of fun.!

I came in second place in the Sprint class, with a speed of 210.24
mph.

You can see all of the race results here:
http://www.sportairrace.org/ [1]

And I have some Facebook photos here:

http://www.facebook.com/media/set/?set=a.1907231013633.111167.1627555806&l=613a5a3ba7
[2]

Come on guys, get into this cross country racing. It's a blast and
it won't
destroy your engine.

Sam



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