Date   

QBA meeting at AirVenture

Doug Humble <hawkidoug@...>
 

Hi Guys!

Just a reminder that there will be a QBA type club meeting on Thursday 7-28-11 at the Homebuilders' HQ Porch from 8:30 to 10AM.

It will be good to see everyone again!

Doug "Hawkeye" Humble
A Sign Above www.asignabove.net
Omaha NE
N25974


Re: Its Changed! - New Fuel Filters

Rene Robertson <q2robertson@...>
 

Hi Guys,
 
I don't know if the Fram G3 filter is a paper element filter, but just a heads up about paper element filters, they are illegal here in Canda for aviation use.
 
Transport Canada will not pass any aircraft with paper element filters.  They have been proven to hold any water in the fuel and then block the fuel flow once water contaminated.  I know this is unlikely in our Q-birds, but never say never.
 
The filters that are recommended are sinthered bronze element filters.  I've been using these clear sinthered element filters:
 
http://www.aircraftspruce.com/catalog/appages/fuelfilter.php
 
Rene
Q2 C-GTCA

--- On Wed, 7/13/11, oneskydog@... <oneskydog@...> wrote:


From: oneskydog@... <oneskydog@...>
Subject: Re: [Q-LIST] Its Changed! - New Fuel Filters
To: Q-LIST@...
Received: Wednesday, July 13, 2011, 7:40 PM


 



Jim,

Glad to hear you got rid of the hot rod glass filters. The ratio is 30
square inches to 1 on filter area with the G3.

Good to see you again and you are on the ride list. I am going to Alaska in
8 days for 3 weeks so once again progress stops.

Regards,

Charlie Johnson
Ogden, Utah


In a message dated 7/13/2011 5:09:44 P.M. Mountain Daylight Time,
logistics_engineering@... writes:

Good Afternoon Charlie,

I took your advise and finally bought Fram G3 fuel filters to replace my
existing 1" glass ones. They were $3.50 ea. at Walmart.

Over the years, the glass filters worked fine for me but it makes sense
that with 6 times more filter area, I have 6 times less chance of getting
them plugged up. For anyone still using glass filters, I would just mention
that even though the filter appears to be clean when viewed thru the glass,
you have to be very careful and check them on a regular basis because they
can and will plug up.

Case in point: a few years ago I was called by Tim Iverson who had landed
and was stuck with his Dragonfly in Modesto, CA. He had flown back from
Oregon and was having engine surges all the way down the coast, to the point
he was getting very nervous. We took his glass fuel filter apart (header to
carb)and found it was totally plugged (I plugged one end with my finger and
blew into the other, nothing came out, even though it looked totally fine.


Thanks again for the reminder and adding to my safety level.

Regards,

Jim Patillo
N46JP Q200

------------------------------------

Quickie Builders Association WEB site
http://www.quickiebuilders.org

Yahoo! Groups Links

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Tri-Q Nose Gear - Available

quickheads
 

Hey All,
As mentioned in the last issue of Q-talk - Richard Kaczmarek, Joe Melanouris, and Charles Wilhite are making some good progress in supporting current builders and flyers with the hardware necessary to complete their Q’s. They call their company FLAPS which stands for Fast Little AirPlaneS, and their intent is to eventually bring kits back.

They recently completed work with Scott Swing to turn over the manufacture of the Tri-Q nose gear and the front gear leg and axle are now available in the QBA online store here:

http://tinyurl.com/6y7adx4

The plan (after the first order) is to make runs of five, and keep them in stock, so that they can ship individual orders immediately. They will be adding the main gear bow within the next few weeks.

Q-200 DXF Files

I also completed tracing the Q-200 LS1, Main Wing, and Verical Stab templates in AUTOCAD (DXF) format, and provided a suggested layout on the foam block. These document sets are now available in the store also:

http://tinyurl.com/6xpez64

Just FYI.

Cheers,
Dan Yager
QBA Editor
www.quickheads.com


Re: Lycoming Engines

Clive Clapham
 

Hi Martin

yep doneit look at GOBXOY pictures section for clues. Contact me direct for any other info required.

Clive ......GOBXOY

--- In Q-LIST@..., "Martin" <mskiby@...> wrote:

OK, I have heard that some have installed an O235 in the Q200 and it worked out. Can any one give me any info on this? This DOES NOT mean that I am going to do this, but I wanted to know about how the plane handled he extra weight on the front. Also anyone else that has put a heavier motor on the Q200 like auto conversion. How do they handle? Is there a max engine weight that has been tried like 260 lbs?

Just doing some research.


(No subject)

Jeffrey Bevilacqua <jlbevila@...>
 

Mike, It's nice that your understanding of a virus happening to a member. Some time ago my email was compromised and I couldn't convince the Dragonfly group that I really wasn't selling Viagra out of Canada. They dumped me even after explaining the compromise.
Jeffrey BevilacquaDragonfly MK1.

--- On Wed, 7/13/11, Mike Perry <dmperry1012@...> wrote:

From: Mike Perry <dmperry1012@...>
Subject: Re: [Q-LIST]
To: Q-LIST@...
Date: Wednesday, July 13, 2011, 9:18 PM
















 









Larry:



It appears you have a virus. Moderated status until it's fixed.



Mike Perry


(No subject)

Sam Hoskins
 

Improve your sexuality. Fly a Quickie.
On Jul 13, 2011 10:43 PM, "larry baxter" <ssshvac@...> wrote:
Improve your sexuality!..
http://www.honestpcservice.com/sites.friend.php?jkySID=85j7




Barnstormer ad for Q2's

John Loram <johnl@...>
 

QUICKIE Q2classified_568461_Quickie+Q2++(X2).html> . $7,500 . PROJECT FOR
SALE . I have (2 )Q2 quickie aircraft 1plane complete needs engine cowling ,
engine, prop , workmanship excellent, old loran, 720 chanel radio, seat
cushions , dual pedals, ptt button, access panels for pedals LS2 canard,2nd
is a 10% finished kit with S- glass tri gear, boxes of foam, hardware, jigs,
wheels, most everythig to build incl resin machine, rolls of glass, no
engine. Reason for selling, hip replacement.Going to Oshkosh possible
delivery available for a negotiated price with 10% non refundable
deposit.Final arrangements by 07/19/2011 in order to get loaded and ready
for shipping. http://www.barnstormers.com/ad_detail.php?ID=568461


-john-


(No subject)

Mike Perry
 

Larry:

It appears you have a virus. Moderated status until it's fixed.

Mike Perry


Re: Its Changed! - New Fuel Filters

One Sky Dog
 

Jim,

Glad to hear you got rid of the hot rod glass filters. The ratio is 30
square inches to 1 on filter area with the G3.

Good to see you again and you are on the ride list. I am going to Alaska in
8 days for 3 weeks so once again progress stops.

Regards,

Charlie Johnson
Ogden, Utah

In a message dated 7/13/2011 5:09:44 P.M. Mountain Daylight Time,
logistics_engineering@... writes:



Good Afternoon Charlie,

I took your advise and finally bought Fram G3 fuel filters to replace my
existing 1" glass ones. They were $3.50 ea. at Walmart.

Over the years, the glass filters worked fine for me but it makes sense
that with 6 times more filter area, I have 6 times less chance of getting
them plugged up. For anyone still using glass filters, I would just mention
that even though the filter appears to be clean when viewed thru the glass,
you have to be very careful and check them on a regular basis because they
can and will plug up.

Case in point: a few years ago I was called by Tim Iverson who had landed
and was stuck with his Dragonfly in Modesto, CA. He had flown back from
Oregon and was having engine surges all the way down the coast, to the point
he was getting very nervous. We took his glass fuel filter apart (header to
carb)and found it was totally plugged (I plugged one end with my finger and
blew into the other, nothing came out, even though it looked totally fine.


Thanks again for the reminder and adding to my safety level.

Regards,

Jim Patillo
N46JP Q200



------------------------------------

Quickie Builders Association WEB site
http://www.quickiebuilders.org

Yahoo! Groups Links


Lycoming Engines

Martin Skiby
 

OK, I have heard that some have installed an O235 in the Q200 and it worked out. Can any one give me any info on this? This DOES NOT mean that I am going to do this, but I wanted to know about how the plane handled he extra weight on the front. Also anyone else that has put a heavier motor on the Q200 like auto conversion. How do they handle? Is there a max engine weight that has been tried like 260 lbs?

Just doing some research.


Its Changed! - New Fuel Filters

Jim Patillo
 

Good Afternoon Charlie,

I took your advise and finally bought Fram G3 fuel filters to replace my existing 1" glass ones. They were $3.50 ea. at Walmart.

Over the years, the glass filters worked fine for me but it makes sense that with 6 times more filter area, I have 6 times less chance of getting them plugged up. For anyone still using glass filters, I would just mention that even though the filter appears to be clean when viewed thru the glass, you have to be very careful and check them on a regular basis because they can and will plug up.

Case in point: a few years ago I was called by Tim Iverson who had landed and was stuck with his Dragonfly in Modesto, CA. He had flown back from Oregon and was having engine surges all the way down the coast, to the point he was getting very nervous. We took his glass fuel filter apart (header to carb)and found it was totally plugged (I plugged one end with my finger and blew into the other, nothing came out, even though it looked totally fine.

Thanks again for the reminder and adding to my safety level.

Regards,

Jim Patillo
N46JP Q200


Re: UV damage

One Sky Dog
 

Smooth Prime the new formula but several years on the market has UV blocker
in it.


_http://www.aircraftspruce.com/catalog/cmpages/09-28290.php_
(http://www.aircraftspruce.com/catalog/cmpages/09-28290.php)

Regards,

Charlie Johnson
Ogden, Utah

In a message dated 7/13/2011 1:18:34 P.M. Mountain Daylight Time,
rranch524@... writes:

I recently painted my fuselage (only - the wings were alrady painted with
a
final color coat) with an ACS product called Smooth Prime, a UV filler /
primer (part # 09-28290). My point is that this product is white, and
seems
to be an excellent filler and it's water-based.
I guess I'm looking for confirmation that this is an acceptable UV shield
since I hear everyone discussing a black (carbon) UV product.

Mike Evans, Still building Tri-Q200 in LA


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------------------------------------

Quickie Builders Association WEB site
http://www.quickiebuilders.org

Yahoo! Groups Links


Re: UV damage

One Sky Dog
 

UV damage only affects epoxy and foam the glass is unaffected. You can see
the damage as the epoxy gets dull and powdery or flakes off the glass
fabric. Look at the backs of fiberglass signs and backboards, you will see
fiberglass strands where the matrix has been weathered away. first the sun
breaks it down then the wind rain dirt scrub it off.

Non UV blocker paint may not protect it and if the paint is undamaged it
would certainly lose its grip on the epoxy.

Damaged areas can be removed and replaced if the damage is severe but where
the damage is, is vital on deciding repair or scrap. Minor damage can be
sanded out to sound material and replaced with a like layup do not overbuild
the repair.

Regards,

Charlie Johnson
Ogden, Utah

In a message dated 7/13/2011 4:36:25 A.M. Mountain Daylight Time,
paulbuckley@... writes:

If the surface is primed and painted, but with no specific UV protection,
would not any UV damage beneath the paint be made obvious by the paint
surface dimpling and the glass weave showing through?

Paul Buckley
Cheshire
England

TriQ-200 under construction.
90% finished, 90% still to do.....


----- Original Message -----
From: Rick Hole
To: Q-LIST@...
Sent: Wednesday, July 13, 2011 3:53 AM
Subject: [Q-LIST] UV damage



N1711Q is well into that age, built in 1982. When working on damaged areas
we sanding carefully to expose fiberglass in several areas. It looked very
good. That's a single data point, but it falls in line with similar repairs
on Velocities which are constructed with similar technique and materials.


Re: UV damage

Larry Severson
 

Some top coats have UV protection, even clear coats. I am working with
PTI paints. CPP is approaching the equivalent of 10 years of UV impact
under exposure to Florida weather (UV, temp, and rain all part of the
test cycle). Once all of the results are finished, I will post the
results. There will be no guess work. All of the research is being done
to the best university standards using top quality test equipment.

On 7/13/2011 8:53 AM, Mike Dwyer wrote:


Quickieaircraft... Please post your name and experience signature at
the end of each post. It helps us to understand who you are. Thanks.

You said that paints are all the same... Maybe true, but we rely on
the dark primer to block the UV, not the top coat paint. The original
post said he did not have a UV block primer so the top coat paint is
irrelevant.

To Pauls comment, I'd expect the top coat paint to peel off as the
fiberglass resin disappears underneath the non UV paint cover.

So, UV primer then white paint to block the ir heat from the sun.

Mike Q200 N3QP 1000hr
--
Larry Severson
18242 Peters Ct
Fountain Valley, CA 92708
(714) 968-9852


Re: UV damage

Fisher Paul A. <fisherpaula@...>
 

Mike,
You really need to look at the specifications for the product. When my plane was painted (over 20 years ago!), I used a base coat clear coat system. In that case the UV barrier was in the CLEAR portion - not the color. Apparently the system was designed that way so the color didn't fade. I'm not sure what the magic was, but it has held up great for a long time! So you can't judge UV blockage by color alone.

Just my $0.02...

Paul A. Fisher
Q-200, N17PF


From: Q-LIST@... [mailto:Q-LIST@...] On Behalf Of Mike Evans
Sent: Wednesday, July 13, 2011 14:19
To: Q-LIST@...
Subject: Re: [Q-LIST] UV damage



I recently painted my fuselage (only - the wings were alrady painted with a
final color coat) with an ACS product called Smooth Prime, a UV filler /
primer (part # 09-28290). My point is that this product is white, and seems
to be an excellent filler and it's water-based.
I guess I'm looking for confirmation that this is an acceptable UV shield
since I hear everyone discussing a black (carbon) UV product.

Mike Evans, Still building Tri-Q200 in LA


Re: UV damage

Mike Evans
 

I recently painted my fuselage (only - the wings were alrady painted with a
final color coat) with an ACS product called Smooth Prime, a UV filler /
primer (part # 09-28290). My point is that this product is white, and seems
to be an excellent filler and it's water-based.
I guess I'm looking for confirmation that this is an acceptable UV shield
since I hear everyone discussing a black (carbon) UV product.

Mike Evans, Still building Tri-Q200 in LA


Re: UV damage

Richard <mylittlemgb@...>
 

Okay here is my 2 cents worth and many years of painting and composit work. As long as the top coat is opaque color you have UV protection and the glass will not break down. Remember all colors of paint start with white. As far as paint peal this is due to poor prep work before the paint is applied. So as long as the glass has had some king of paint on it, it is protected. The time to worry is when you see blisters in the glass from delamination. We have a fabric covered homebuilt close to me that is flown weekly painted in house latex paint and sits on the flight line tie downs. Covering is now 20+ years old and still passes the punch test. So in short if it has paint on it there is no reason to believe it to be bad.

Richard
FLAPs

--- In Q-LIST@..., Mike Dwyer <q2pilot@...> wrote:


Quickieaircraft... Please post your name and experience signature at the end of each post. It helps us to understand who you are. Thanks.

You said that paints are all the same... Maybe true, but we rely on the dark primer to block the UV, not the top coat paint. The original post said he did not have a UV block primer so the top coat paint is irrelevant.

To Pauls comment, I'd expect the top coat paint to peel off as the fiberglass resin disappears underneath the non UV paint cover.

So, UV primer then white paint to block the ir heat from the sun.

Mike Q200 N3QP 1000hr


Sent from my Windows Phone
________________________________
From: quickieaircraft
Sent: Wednesday, July 13, 2011 9:00 AM
To: Q-LIST@...
Subject: [Q-LIST] Re: UV damage

Probably, Paul, for severe damage, anyway.

My reading seems to indicate that UV protective properties of paint are very close to eachother for different paints, and that the protection really only starts to break down once the paint does.

This is a good thing: if the part wasn't UV damaged during the build and was then painted, then it's probably safe until the paint starts to flake or otherwise deteriorate.

Some UV absorbtion testing in http://www.ultralightnews.com/features/pdf/54NewsletterMarch2003.pdf



--- In Q-LIST@..., "Paul Buckley" <paulbuckley@> wrote:

If the surface is primed and painted, but with no specific UV protection, would not any UV damage beneath the paint be made obvious by the paint surface dimpling and the glass weave showing through?

Paul Buckley
Cheshire
England

TriQ-200 under construction.
90% finished, 90% still to do.....


----- Original Message -----
From: Rick Hole
To: Q-LIST@...
Sent: Wednesday, July 13, 2011 3:53 AM
Subject: [Q-LIST] UV damage



N1711Q is well into that age, built in 1982. When working on damaged areas
we sanding carefully to expose fiberglass in several areas. It looked very
good. That's a single data point, but it falls in line with similar repairs
on Velocities which are constructed with similar technique and materials.

For a plane stored in the sun the answer may be different.

I've seen awful messes for planes which were parked outside without primer,
or thinly primed, and became dumpster bait. I would not consider repairing
any surface in that condition.

Rick Hole

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Re: UV damage

Mike Dwyer
 

Quickieaircraft... Please post your name and experience signature at the end of each post. It helps us to understand who you are. Thanks.

You said that paints are all the same... Maybe true, but we rely on the dark primer to block the UV, not the top coat paint. The original post said he did not have a UV block primer so the top coat paint is irrelevant.

To Pauls comment, I'd expect the top coat paint to peel off as the fiberglass resin disappears underneath the non UV paint cover.

So, UV primer then white paint to block the ir heat from the sun.

Mike Q200 N3QP 1000hr


Sent from my Windows Phone
________________________________
From: quickieaircraft
Sent: Wednesday, July 13, 2011 9:00 AM
To: Q-LIST@...
Subject: [Q-LIST] Re: UV damage

Probably, Paul, for severe damage, anyway.

My reading seems to indicate that UV protective properties of paint are very close to eachother for different paints, and that the protection really only starts to break down once the paint does.

This is a good thing: if the part wasn't UV damaged during the build and was then painted, then it's probably safe until the paint starts to flake or otherwise deteriorate.

Some UV absorbtion testing in http://www.ultralightnews.com/features/pdf/54NewsletterMarch2003.pdf



--- In Q-LIST@..., "Paul Buckley" <paulbuckley@...> wrote:

If the surface is primed and painted, but with no specific UV protection, would not any UV damage beneath the paint be made obvious by the paint surface dimpling and the glass weave showing through?

Paul Buckley
Cheshire
England

TriQ-200 under construction.
90% finished, 90% still to do.....


----- Original Message -----
From: Rick Hole
To: Q-LIST@...
Sent: Wednesday, July 13, 2011 3:53 AM
Subject: [Q-LIST] UV damage



N1711Q is well into that age, built in 1982. When working on damaged areas
we sanding carefully to expose fiberglass in several areas. It looked very
good. That's a single data point, but it falls in line with similar repairs
on Velocities which are constructed with similar technique and materials.

For a plane stored in the sun the answer may be different.

I've seen awful messes for planes which were parked outside without primer,
or thinly primed, and became dumpster bait. I would not consider repairing
any surface in that condition.

Rick Hole






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Re: UV damage

quickieaircraft
 

Probably, Paul, for severe damage, anyway.

My reading seems to indicate that UV protective properties of paint are very close to eachother for different paints, and that the protection really only starts to break down once the paint does.

This is a good thing: if the part wasn't UV damaged during the build and was then painted, then it's probably safe until the paint starts to flake or otherwise deteriorate.

Some UV absorbtion testing in http://www.ultralightnews.com/features/pdf/54NewsletterMarch2003.pdf

--- In Q-LIST@..., "Paul Buckley" <paulbuckley@...> wrote:

If the surface is primed and painted, but with no specific UV protection, would not any UV damage beneath the paint be made obvious by the paint surface dimpling and the glass weave showing through?

Paul Buckley
Cheshire
England

TriQ-200 under construction.
90% finished, 90% still to do.....


----- Original Message -----
From: Rick Hole
To: Q-LIST@...
Sent: Wednesday, July 13, 2011 3:53 AM
Subject: [Q-LIST] UV damage



N1711Q is well into that age, built in 1982. When working on damaged areas
we sanding carefully to expose fiberglass in several areas. It looked very
good. That's a single data point, but it falls in line with similar repairs
on Velocities which are constructed with similar technique and materials.

For a plane stored in the sun the answer may be different.

I've seen awful messes for planes which were parked outside without primer,
or thinly primed, and became dumpster bait. I would not consider repairing
any surface in that condition.

Rick Hole

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Re: UV damage

Paul Buckley
 

If the surface is primed and painted, but with no specific UV protection, would not any UV damage beneath the paint be made obvious by the paint surface dimpling and the glass weave showing through?

Paul Buckley
Cheshire
England

TriQ-200 under construction.
90% finished, 90% still to do.....

----- Original Message -----
From: Rick Hole
To: Q-LIST@...
Sent: Wednesday, July 13, 2011 3:53 AM
Subject: [Q-LIST] UV damage



N1711Q is well into that age, built in 1982. When working on damaged areas
we sanding carefully to expose fiberglass in several areas. It looked very
good. That's a single data point, but it falls in line with similar repairs
on Velocities which are constructed with similar technique and materials.

For a plane stored in the sun the answer may be different.

I've seen awful messes for planes which were parked outside without primer,
or thinly primed, and became dumpster bait. I would not consider repairing
any surface in that condition.

Rick Hole






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