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Jerry Marstall <jnmarstall@...>
 

Just got home from Spring fling.great time. Thx Kevin. Stopped by Sam & Sandy 's on Sunday. great time. Goods flights.
Get um flying guys. You will love it.
Jerry
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Re: "Spring Fling" Flyin May 18th 2013 - Decorah, IA - YouTube

Jerry Marstall <jnmarstall@...>
 

Thkx Paul. I guess that $20 I gave the cameraman paid off. Lots of mug time.
Was great seeing you. always lots of laughs. J

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"Fisher Paul A." <fisherpaula@...> wrote:

 

Is it this one?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CSVwi1XYMP0

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Re: "Spring Fling" Flyin May 18th 2013 - Decorah, IA - YouTube

Kevin Boddicker
 

THAT'S IT!!!
Thanks.
On May 20, 2013, at 10:26 AM, "Fisher Paul A." <fisherpaula@...> wrote:

Is it this one?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CSVwi1XYMP0

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Re: "Spring Fling" Flyin May 18th 2013 - Decorah, IA - YouTube

Fisher Paul A. <fisherpaula@...>
 

Is it this one?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CSVwi1XYMP0




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Re: "Spring Fling" Flyin May 18th 2013 - Decorah, IA - YouTube

Jerry Marstall <jnmarstall@...>
 

No url

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Kevin Boddicker <trumanst@...> wrote:

The url came through all goofed up.
Just copy and paste it and it should work.
Kevin
On May 20, 2013, at 9:34 AM, Kevin Boddicker wrote:

We had the Spring Fling this weekend.
Click on the url below for some footage of the event.
A chapter member took the film and did a nice job of editing and adding music.
Thanks John Lewis

Kevin Boddicker
TriQ 200 N7868B 294 hrs
Luana, IA.




Click here: "Spring Fling" Flyin May 18th 2013 - Decorah, IA - YouTube








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Re: "Spring Fling" Flyin May 18th 2013 - Decorah, IA - YouTube

Kevin Boddicker
 

The url came through all goofed up.
Just copy and paste it and it should work.
Kevin
On May 20, 2013, at 9:34 AM, Kevin Boddicker wrote:

We had the Spring Fling this weekend.
Click on the url below for some footage of the event.
A chapter member took the film and did a nice job of editing and adding music.
Thanks John Lewis

Kevin Boddicker
TriQ 200 N7868B 294 hrs
Luana, IA.




Click here: "Spring Fling" Flyin May 18th 2013 - Decorah, IA - YouTube
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"Spring Fling" Flyin May 18th 2013 - Decorah, IA - YouTube

Kevin Boddicker
 

We had the Spring Fling this weekend.
Click on the url below for some footage of the event.
A chapter member took the film and did a nice job of editing and adding music.
Thanks John Lewis


Kevin Boddicker
TriQ 200 N7868B 294 hrs
Luana, IA.




Click here: "Spring Fling" Flyin May 18th 2013 - Decorah, IA - YouTube


Re: Spring fling

Jon Swenson
 

Kevin

I had a great time at the spring fling and I really appreciate the help
from everyone and stick time with you and Jerry. I feel that I couldn't
have got to this point without the support of all you who are flying these
wonderful little planes.

I've attached a photo of my new panel installed and powered up. I have to
finish the antennas, EGT CHT harness and the magnetometer installation
before I can reinstall the engine.



--
Jon Swenson

PS for those who attended: The tail wind on the way home pushed my other Q
(the IQ) to average over 45 MPG for the trip and for a while it was at 48
MPG.


Transition help

Randy Lewis
 

I recently received my airworthiness certificate for my Dragonfly MKIII.
I now need to get some transition training or at least some time in a similar type. Is there anyone on the board that would be willing to let me fly with them? This would be at your discression as to what you would offer, even just a ride along would be helpful. I live in the Los Angeles Area, based at KCMA.
Thanks for any help.

Randy Lewis


Re: Spring fling

Jerry Marstall <jnmarstall@...>
 

Mitch I'm having similar problems with Matco brakes. Spongy. When I get back to Asheville we have to talk.
Jerry

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Mitch <hargin@...> wrote:

 

Got the TriQ out yesterday to get her warmed up to come. Thought that 8 month project of fixing the brake was fixed. It isn't. Still don't have brakes on the right side. Back to the fix it drawing board.
Mitch and Pam N311DM

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On May 17, 2013, at 9:28 PM, Kevin Boddicker <trumanst@...> wrote:

If Jerry Marstall can make it to DEH any one can!
No excuses to not be here. ;-)))
Still time to come.
Kevin

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Re: Spring fling

hargin
 

Got the TriQ out yesterday to get her warmed up to come. Thought that 8 month project of fixing the brake was fixed. It isn't. Still don't have brakes on the right side. Back to the fix it drawing board.
Mitch and Pam N311DM

On May 17, 2013, at 9:28 PM, Kevin Boddicker <trumanst@...> wrote:

If Jerry Marstall can make it to DEH any one can!
No excuses to not be here. ;-)))
Still time to come.
Kevin

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Spring fling

Kevin Boddicker
 

If Jerry Marstall can make it to DEH any one can!
No excuses to not be here. ;-)))
Still time to come.
Kevin


flying TRI-Q

keith
 

hi all does any body know of any flying TRI-Q flying with the GU canard and heavier engine IE Subaru 100hp thanks keith


Re: Tattered Q2 Plans on eBay. . .

Allan Farr
 

But they're available free online.

--- In Q-LIST@..., dan@... wrote:



A rather rough looking set of Q2 plans showed up on eBay this
morning.

No Templates. . . but hey. . . they're cheap!


http://goo.gl/Kt8fh

Cheers,
Dan Yager
QBA Editor
www.quickheads.com






Tattered Q2 Plans on eBay. . .

quickheads
 

A rather rough looking set of Q2 plans showed up on eBay this
morning.

No Templates. . . but hey. . . they're cheap!


http://goo.gl/Kt8fh

Cheers,
Dan Yager
QBA Editor
www.quickheads.com


Weather Conditions from The Weather Channel

Kevin Boddicker
 

Jerry Marstall called today and wondered what the weather would be like next weekend.
Below is the weather guess for then.
Hope or see everyone next Friday.
Kevin
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Weather for Luana, IA (52156)

10-Day Forecast:
Sunday
(null) 0°F / 35°F

Monday
PM Showers 65°F / 52°F
Precip: 30%

Tuesday
Sunny 86°F / 60°F

Wednesday
Mostly Cloudy 76°F / 54°F
Precip: 10%

Thursday
Partly Cloudy 79°F / 58°F
Precip: 10%

Friday
Scattered T-Storms 77°F / 58°F
Precip: 30%

Saturday
Scattered T-Storms 69°F / 59°F
Precip: 30%

Sunday
Scattered T-Storms 70°F / 56°F
Precip: 60%

Monday
Showers 68°F / 52°F
Precip: 30%

Tuesday
Scattered Showers 62°F / 50°F
Precip: 10%

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Re: Fw: Re: Australian builders

Rob de Bie
 

But isn't load testing a smart thing to do? I'm currently designing and building prototype UAV gliders, and we load test every flying surface of every aircraft built. We do it at room temperature though, but knowing the low Tg (glass-transition temperature) of hand-laminating epoxy systems, the Swiss requirement makes a lot of sense to me. I think load testing is worthwhile even for unmanned aircraft.

Rob

At 14:15 09-05-2013, you wrote:
The Swiss are even worse, requiring a load test for every flying surface built, and at a high temperature. I cannot remember what the test loading was, but you can take it for granted that it would be higher than anything that would be required here or in the US!

Paul B.
Cheshire
England


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Sent: Thursday, May 09, 2013 1:06 AM
Subject: Fw: [Q-LIST] Re: Australian builders


Further to what I was saying, I helped in the construction of a Swiss registered Q-2 some years ago, using the blue foam.

The Swiss insisted on a much more stringent load testing of the flying surfaces, conducted at a heat soaked temperature of 40 deg. C (104 F) and the wing had to hold for, I believe, one minute (not just for a second or two)

It passed............ and I have a photo somewhere, I'll look it out and post it on the web site, the amount of sandbags are unbelievable!

Paul.


----- Original Message -----
From: Paul Buckley
To: Q-LIST@...
Sent: Thursday, May 09, 2013 12:42 AM
Subject: Re: [Q-LIST] Re: Australian builders



Well, virtually all the UK built Q's use the insulation billets as far as I know, and there has not been any problems.

I tested the peel strength myself, glassing direct onto the foam (as per plans) versus glassing onto a prepared shell of cured micro on the foam surface. This was to test the validity of glassing on top of a hard, pre-prepared surface, rather than contaminating the glass by using a wet micro slurry on the foam to lay the glass on, as per the plans.

There was no difference, the foam always tearing away first.

I know that is not what you are saying, but I don't think that the coarse cell is available now, certainly not in the UK.

I may be wrong ....... I was, once. :-)

Paul

----- Original Message -----
From: Charlie Johnson
To: Q-LIST@...
Sent: Thursday, May 09, 2013 12:13 AM
Subject: Re: [Q-LIST] Re: Australian builders

Paul and Keith,

Fine called insulation styrofoam is not the product. It has poor peel strength. Flotation logs for building marine docks orange or blue. Dow is the only company that makes styrofoam billets to my knowledge.

http://building.dow.com/na/en/products/specialty/billets.htm

There should be a marine supply near a port that stocks them.

Regards,

Charlie Johnson
Ogden, Utah

Sent from my iPad

On May 8, 2013, at 5:02 PM, "Paul Buckley" <paulbuckley@...> wrote:

Yes, that is correct.

The blue foam is made by Dow Chemicals and they sell it as
insulation for buildings.

Easily available here in the UK from a company called 'Sheffield
Insulation' .......... there must be similar firms in Oz.

Paul Buckley.


----- Original Message -----
From: John Cartledge
To: Q-LIST@...
Sent: Wednesday, May 08, 2013 11:49 PM
Subject: Re: [Q-LIST] Re: Australian builders



Hi again Keith,
I remember now that the original supplied billets of this
polystyrene foam were an orange colour but later they were a blue with a finer cell structure.
Start with Dow. Hope this helps. John

Sent from my iPad

On 08/05/2013, at 9:22 PM, "keith" <keithfowler2@...> wrote:



--- In Q-LIST@..., John Cartledge <urecomps@...> wrote:

Hi Keith,
It's a long time since I built and used this stuff but I think
it is polystyrene buoyancy foam and you get big billets of it and it is was manufactured by Dow Chemical Co.
Good luck. John Cartledge VH LOQ Q200 450 hrs

Sent from my iPad

On 08/05/2013, at 9:03 AM, "keith" <keithfowler2@...> wrote:

Hi is there any builders in Australia that can tell me where I
can buy foam for the wings and canard I am in Victoria thanks Keith

hi John
Thanks for the info your q200 looks very impressive I saw a
photo of it the 2011 temora flyin thank Keith





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Re: Australian builders

Paul Buckley
 

Hi Charlie, and anyone else interested.

For your information, for what it is worth, here is the reply that I received from DOW regarding the difference between buoyancy billets and insulation billets, and answers the question of why we cannot obtain the buoyancy version in the UK.

"The Buoyancy Billet products are manufactured for North America. The cell structure is the same just varying in the size of the cells. These are larger cells than a lot of our insulation foam, but not as large as most of the insulation foams"

Kind regards to all

Paul B.

----- Original Message -----
From: Charlie Johnson
To: Q-LIST@...
Sent: Thursday, May 09, 2013 1:44 PM
Subject: Re: [Q-LIST] Re: Australian builders



Paul,

Thanks for the data, my concerns are relieved I love the results of a true experiment which always done prior to actual flight.

Regards,

Charlie Johnson, N187CD
Ogden, Utah
On May 9, 2013, at 6:15 AM, "Paul Buckley" <paulbuckley@...> wrote:

> I have just posted the photo of the GU canard load test on the web site. The foam used was the finer, blue, version.
>
> Our regulations and restrictions here in the UK are much more stringent than the US. Nothing is allowed to be changed from the original without specific investigation and consent, including systems (fuel, electric) but especially anything concerning the basic structure.
>
> The Swiss are even worse, requiring a load test for every flying surface built, and at a high temperature. I cannot remember what the test loading was, but you can take it for granted that it would be higher than anything that would be required here or in the US!
>
> Paul B.
> Cheshire
> England
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: Paul Buckley
> To: Q-LIST@...
> Sent: Thursday, May 09, 2013 1:06 AM
> Subject: Fw: [Q-LIST] Re: Australian builders
>
>
> Further to what I was saying, I helped in the construction of a Swiss registered Q-2 some years ago, using the blue foam.
>
> The Swiss insisted on a much more stringent load testing of the flying surfaces, conducted at a heat soaked temperature of 40 deg. C (104 F) and the wing had to hold for, I believe, one minute (not just for a second or two)
>
> It passed............ and I have a photo somewhere, I'll look it out and post it on the web site, the amount of sandbags are unbelievable!
>
> Paul.
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: Paul Buckley
> To: Q-LIST@...
> Sent: Thursday, May 09, 2013 12:42 AM
> Subject: Re: [Q-LIST] Re: Australian builders
>
>
>
> Well, virtually all the UK built Q's use the insulation billets as far as I know, and there has not been any problems.
>
> I tested the peel strength myself, glassing direct onto the foam (as per plans) versus glassing onto a prepared shell of cured micro on the foam surface. This was to test the validity of glassing on top of a hard, pre-prepared surface, rather than contaminating the glass by using a wet micro slurry on the foam to lay the glass on, as per the plans.
>
> There was no difference, the foam always tearing away first.
>
> I know that is not what you are saying, but I don't think that the coarse cell is available now, certainly not in the UK.
>
> I may be wrong ....... I was, once. :-)
>
> Paul
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: Charlie Johnson
> To: Q-LIST@...
> Sent: Thursday, May 09, 2013 12:13 AM
> Subject: Re: [Q-LIST] Re: Australian builders
>
> Paul and Keith,
>
> Fine called insulation styrofoam is not the product. It has poor peel strength. Flotation logs for building marine docks orange or blue. Dow is the only company that makes styrofoam billets to my knowledge.
>
> http://building.dow.com/na/en/products/specialty/billets.htm
>
> There should be a marine supply near a port that stocks them.
>
> Regards,
>
> Charlie Johnson
> Ogden, Utah
>
> Sent from my iPad
>
> On May 8, 2013, at 5:02 PM, "Paul Buckley" <paulbuckley@...> wrote:
>
>> Yes, that is correct.
>>
>> The blue foam is made by Dow Chemicals and they sell it as insulation for buildings.
>>
>> Easily available here in the UK from a company called 'Sheffield Insulation' .......... there must be similar firms in Oz.
>>
>> Paul Buckley.
>>
>>
>> ----- Original Message -----
>> From: John Cartledge
>> To: Q-LIST@...
>> Sent: Wednesday, May 08, 2013 11:49 PM
>> Subject: Re: [Q-LIST] Re: Australian builders
>>
>>
>>
>> Hi again Keith,
>> I remember now that the original supplied billets of this polystyrene foam were an orange colour but later they were a blue with a finer cell structure.
>> Start with Dow. Hope this helps. John
>>
>> Sent from my iPad
>>
>> On 08/05/2013, at 9:22 PM, "keith" <keithfowler2@...> wrote:
>>
>>>
>>>
>>> --- In Q-LIST@..., John Cartledge <urecomps@...> wrote:
>>>>
>>>> Hi Keith,
>>>> It's a long time since I built and used this stuff but I think it is polystyrene buoyancy foam and you get big billets of it and it is was manufactured by Dow Chemical Co.
>>>> Good luck. John Cartledge VH LOQ Q200 450 hrs
>>>>
>>>> Sent from my iPad
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>>>> On 08/05/2013, at 9:03 AM, "keith" <keithfowler2@...> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Hi is there any builders in Australia that can tell me where I can buy foam for the wings and canard I am in Victoria thanks Keith
>>>> hi John
>>> Thanks for the info your q200 looks very impressive I saw a photo of it the 2011 temora flyin thank Keith
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Re: Australian builders

One Sky Dog
 

Paul,

My concern is the fine cell of insulation does not provide a good transition from the core to skin. With the large cell foam the micro couples the skin to the core.

In addition I have never seen insulation foam over 2" thick. I know there was one q builder that tried to glue sheets together to make a thick wing billet, it failed in flight and two soles were lost.

The density of flotation billets is 2 lb / cu ft.

Regards,

Charlie Johnson

On May 9, 2013, at 9:01 AM, "Paul Buckley" <paulbuckley@...> wrote:

Hi Charlie

I have just visited the DOW web site and asked if the density of the buoyancy billets differ from the insulation billets.
I am awaiting a reply.

Cheers

Paul B.


----- Original Message -----
From: Charlie Johnson
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Sent: Thursday, May 09, 2013 1:44 PM
Subject: Re: [Q-LIST] Re: Australian builders



Paul,

Thanks for the data, my concerns are relieved I love the results of a true experiment which always done prior to actual flight.

Regards,

Charlie Johnson, N187CD
Ogden, Utah

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On May 9, 2013, at 6:15 AM, "Paul Buckley" <paulbuckley@...> wrote:

I have just posted the photo of the GU canard load test on the web site. The foam used was the finer, blue, version.

Our regulations and restrictions here in the UK are much more stringent than the US. Nothing is allowed to be changed from the original without specific investigation and consent, including systems (fuel, electric) but especially anything concerning the basic structure.

The Swiss are even worse, requiring a load test for every flying surface built, and at a high temperature. I cannot remember what the test loading was, but you can take it for granted that it would be higher than anything that would be required here or in the US!

Paul B.
Cheshire
England


----- Original Message -----
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Sent: Thursday, May 09, 2013 1:06 AM
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Further to what I was saying, I helped in the construction of a Swiss registered Q-2 some years ago, using the blue foam.

The Swiss insisted on a much more stringent load testing of the flying surfaces, conducted at a heat soaked temperature of 40 deg. C (104 F) and the wing had to hold for, I believe, one minute (not just for a second or two)

It passed............ and I have a photo somewhere, I'll look it out and post it on the web site, the amount of sandbags are unbelievable!

Paul.


----- Original Message -----
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Sent: Thursday, May 09, 2013 12:42 AM
Subject: Re: [Q-LIST] Re: Australian builders



Well, virtually all the UK built Q's use the insulation billets as far as I know, and there has not been any problems.

I tested the peel strength myself, glassing direct onto the foam (as per plans) versus glassing onto a prepared shell of cured micro on the foam surface. This was to test the validity of glassing on top of a hard, pre-prepared surface, rather than contaminating the glass by using a wet micro slurry on the foam to lay the glass on, as per the plans.

There was no difference, the foam always tearing away first.

I know that is not what you are saying, but I don't think that the coarse cell is available now, certainly not in the UK.

I may be wrong ....... I was, once. :-)

Paul

----- Original Message -----
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Sent: Thursday, May 09, 2013 12:13 AM
Subject: Re: [Q-LIST] Re: Australian builders

Paul and Keith,

Fine called insulation styrofoam is not the product. It has poor peel strength. Flotation logs for building marine docks orange or blue. Dow is the only company that makes styrofoam billets to my knowledge.

http://building.dow.com/na/en/products/specialty/billets.htm

There should be a marine supply near a port that stocks them.

Regards,

Charlie Johnson
Ogden, Utah

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On May 8, 2013, at 5:02 PM, "Paul Buckley" <paulbuckley@...> wrote:

Yes, that is correct.

The blue foam is made by Dow Chemicals and they sell it as insulation for buildings.

Easily available here in the UK from a company called 'Sheffield Insulation' .......... there must be similar firms in Oz.

Paul Buckley.


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Sent: Wednesday, May 08, 2013 11:49 PM
Subject: Re: [Q-LIST] Re: Australian builders



Hi again Keith,
I remember now that the original supplied billets of this polystyrene foam were an orange colour but later they were a blue with a finer cell structure.
Start with Dow. Hope this helps. John

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--- In Q-LIST@..., John Cartledge <urecomps@...> wrote:

Hi Keith,
It's a long time since I built and used this stuff but I think it is polystyrene buoyancy foam and you get big billets of it and it is was manufactured by Dow Chemical Co.
Good luck. John Cartledge VH LOQ Q200 450 hrs

Sent from my iPad

On 08/05/2013, at 9:03 AM, "keith" <keithfowler2@...> wrote:

Hi is there any builders in Australia that can tell me where I can buy foam for the wings and canard I am in Victoria thanks Keith
hi John
Thanks for the info your q200 looks very impressive I saw a photo of it the 2011 temora flyin thank Keith

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Re: Fw: Re: Australian builders

Mike Perry
 

Where is it posted? Sorry I'm slow, can't find it in files or photos.

Mike

On 5/9/2013 5:15 AM, Paul Buckley wrote:

I have just posted the photo of the GU canard load test on the web
site. The foam used was the finer, blue, version.

Our regulations and restrictions here in the UK are much more
stringent than the US. Nothing is allowed to be changed from the
original without specific investigation and consent, including systems
(fuel, electric) but especially anything concerning the basic structure.

The Swiss are even worse, requiring a load test for every flying
surface built, and at a high temperature. I cannot remember what the
test loading was, but you can take it for granted that it would be
higher than anything that would be required here or in the US!

Paul B.
Cheshire
England

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