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Re: Fod

Bruce Crain
 

Ah mis you Man!! ;o(Bruce

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From: Jerry Marstall <jnmarstall@...>
To: Q-list <q-list@...>
Subject: [Q-LIST] Fod
Date: Fri, 23 Aug 2013 08:58:27 -0400



Going to miss seeing you guys. Fly safe and have fun. Jerry

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Re: Slightly warped PVC foam

n7188u
 

Thanks to all for the tips. I will follow suit.

I was building a Cozy IV back in the early 2Ks so I have a nice flat table with a very nice glass table on top of it (a table we were throwing away at that time). It makes for a nice surface which can be easily cleaned.

Now, I remember doing flat layups were I would use dabs of 5-min epoxy to hold down the foam and for the life of me I can't remember how I would un-stick the panel afterwards. I tried a few scraps yesterday which resulted in destruction of the foam. I don't know if it is because the epoxy is different (doubtful) or because I am doing something different or because I am dreaming that I actually did that :)

In any case, the number of warped panels is small and they come from the Cozy days (old). Since the Q1 has a couple of layups for funny 3D bend pieces of foam (in which case it would be of some advantage to start with a flat piece of foam) then I am going to get a couple new panels to see how they look and save the older panels for smaller truly flat and more manageable parts.

Thanks again for the feedback,
Chris


Fod

Jerry Marstall <jnmarstall@...>
 

Going to miss seeing you guys. Fly safe and have fun. Jerry

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Re: Slightly warped PVC foam

ZCHRL4 . <ohlson38@...>
 

Good day! I am considering building a Q-1 but am stumped on the question:
What engine?
What are your thoughts on this??
Thanks, Nick L.

On Wed, Aug 21, 2013 at 1:28 PM, n7188u <n7188u@...> wrote:

**


Hi,

I am starting construction of my Q1 bulkheads and have a couple of
questions:

1.- On examination of the materials I have, I discovered that my 3/8" PVC
is slightly warped (not flat). I know that once I laminate it it will be
stiff so I will hold it down flat in my workbench with a couple dabs of 5
min epoxy but wondered if there is a trick for flatten it a bit. Maybe
slight application of heat and placing a flat weight on top of it?.

2.- I noticed that the plans call to not glass FS110. As much as I looked
I cant find where in the plans this eventually gets glassed. Well, I have
to admit just perusing the plans after the bulkhead construction section
but I can't seem to find that info and I am curious.

Thanks,
Chris



Re: 2013 F.O.D.

Fisher Paul A. <fisherpaula@...>
 

I’m really looking forward to it Dave! I hope you can keep the weather gods happy for another week and a half… so we can all get home too!

If the weather holds, Kevin and I are planning to start out on Thursday morning and see how far we get. Once airborne you should be able to track our progress here: http://aprs.fi/n17pf, but we’ll call when (if?) we get close. You are quite correct, the long cross country will be a great part of the adventure! I’ve never flown in the Northeast, so it should be fun!

Paul A. Fisher
Q-200, N17PF

From: Q-LIST@... [mailto:Q-LIST@...] On Behalf Of Dave Dugas
Sent: Friday, August 23, 2013 7:11 AM
To: Q-LIST@...
Subject: [Q-LIST] 2013 F.O.D.



Hi everyone

About one week away is the 23rd F.O.D. The weather has been perfect here and hopefully it will continue. Some are flying in from quite a distance, and personally, the long flights to previous FOD events are a great part of the adventure for me. This year I wish everyone the best as you plan to fly to KORE.
A few last minute things to mention. If any one needs help with arrangements let me know. If anyone is going to arrive early, also let me know so I can be at the airport when you land. I live less than a mile away. I also haven't heard of any Dragonfly folks that are planning to come.....hopefully they got, or will get word of it. It's not too late to make plans. My cell phone is 413-772-9165, please let us know if you have delays, or if your plans change. Camping on the field is free, and right on top of the action. I'm looking forward to seeing you all.
Have fun and be safe.

Dave D

Sent from Samsung tablet


2013 F.O.D.

Dave Dugas
 

Hi everyone

About one week away is the 23rd F.O.D. The weather has been perfect here and hopefully it will continue. Some are flying in from quite a distance, and personally, the long flights to previous FOD events are a great part of the adventure for me. This year I wish everyone the best as you plan to fly to KORE. 
A few last minute things to mention. If any one needs help with arrangements let me know. If anyone is going to arrive early, also let me know so I can be at the airport when you land. I live less than a mile away. I also haven't heard of any Dragonfly folks that are planning to come.....hopefully they got, or will get word of it. It's not too late to make plans. My cell phone is 413-772-9165, please let us know if you have delays,  or if your plans change. Camping on the field is free, and right on top of the action. I'm looking forward to seeing you all.
Have fun and be safe.

Dave D




Sent from Samsung tablet

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Re: Slightly warped PVC foam

JMasal@...
 

If 110 is the one way back in the tail you'd need a midget to install it. I may not have it in my Q-1. I remembe calling QAC about
that last bulkhead and they didn't seem to get hot and bothered whether it was in or out. Best you might do is butter the edges with
flox and carefully seat it as best you can.


j.

-----Original Message-----
From: Sam Hoskins <sam.hoskins@...>
To: Quickie List <Q-LIST@...>
Sent: Thu, Aug 22, 2013 8:29 am
Subject: Re: [Q-LIST] Slightly warped PVC foam


Chris, welcome.

This is one of the kind of questions that new builders have that turns out
to be no problem. Warped foam is no big deal. Here is why.

When you are building a composite sandwich, the part doesn't become rigid
until the whole sandwich is complete. Take, for instance, your piece of
warped bulkhead foam. You lay it on the flat table and it's all
cattywhumpuss. You fret, worry and consider ordering new foam, but it's
not a big deal.

Now, you decide to glass one side with a single layer of BID. After it
cures, you may still have a warp and it will seem very loose and floppy.
Again, no big deal.

The key to a straight piece comes in when you glass the opposite side of
the sandwich. This is when you should make the big effort to make sure it
is laying flat while it cures. Naturally, your table must be flat. Before
the time the second layer cures, you may see that the piece isn't perfectly
flat, because of previous warpage in the first steps. Again, no big deal.
Simple weigh down the part with enough weight to hold it flat while
curing. You could also use pins/small nails to hold the edges down, but
using small weights is the easiest. You can apply saran wrap on the wet
epoxy to keep the weights from sticking, or you could use peel ply dacron.

Let it fully cure before removing the weights. As long as the second side
of the sandwich is nice and flat during cure, you will have a good part.

Clear as mud? Let us know how it turns out.

Sorry, can't answer the FS110 bulkhead question, as I built the two place
model and don't have the single place plans.

Sam


On Wed, Aug 21, 2013 at 1:28 PM, n7188u <n7188u@...> wrote:

**


Hi,

I am starting construction of my Q1 bulkheads and have a couple of
questions:

1.- On examination of the materials I have, I discovered that my 3/8" PVC
is slightly warped (not flat). I know that once I laminate it it will be
stiff so I will hold it down flat in my workbench with a couple dabs of 5
min epoxy but wondered if there is a trick for flatten it a bit. Maybe
slight application of heat and placing a flat weight on top of it?.

2.- I noticed that the plans call to not glass FS110. As much as I looked
I cant find where in the plans this eventually gets glassed. Well, I have
to admit just perusing the plans after the bulkhead construction section
but I can't seem to find that info and I am curious.

Thanks,
Chris







------------------------------------

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http://www.quickiebuilders.org

Yahoo! Groups Links


Re: Slightly warped PVC foam

Mike Bergen
 

Sam provides an excellent response.

I recommend the peel ply approach opposed to the saran wrap as the plastic
wrap will give you a resin rich surface in the finished part which is not so
desirable. As Paul Buckley states it provides a better surface for secondary
bonding.

The other thing that I recommend is heat scoured polyester peel ply as I
mentioned in the talks that I gave at AirVenture. This kind releases from
epoxy resins better than the rest. Aircraft Spruce has it but you will see
that it is a bit more expensive than the rest: Part # 01-14825

I would recommend that you apply the peel ply to both sides and when you do
the second side apply the peel ply and then flip it over onto a piece of
plastic such as Saran Wrap and place you weight on the already cured side.
As it was said make sure your work surface is very flat for this.

Mike B

On 8/22/13 9:26 AM, "Sam Hoskins" <sam.hoskins@...> wrote:

Chris, welcome.

This is one of the kind of questions that new builders have that turns out
to be no problem. Warped foam is no big deal. Here is why.

When you are building a composite sandwich, the part doesn't become rigid
until the whole sandwich is complete. Take, for instance, your piece of
warped bulkhead foam. You lay it on the flat table and it's all
cattywhumpuss. You fret, worry and consider ordering new foam, but it's
not a big deal.

Now, you decide to glass one side with a single layer of BID. After it
cures, you may still have a warp and it will seem very loose and floppy.
Again, no big deal.

The key to a straight piece comes in when you glass the opposite side of
the sandwich. This is when you should make the big effort to make sure it
is laying flat while it cures. Naturally, your table must be flat. Before
the time the second layer cures, you may see that the piece isn't perfectly
flat, because of previous warpage in the first steps. Again, no big deal.
Simple weigh down the part with enough weight to hold it flat while
curing. You could also use pins/small nails to hold the edges down, but
using small weights is the easiest. You can apply saran wrap on the wet
epoxy to keep the weights from sticking, or you could use peel ply dacron.

Let it fully cure before removing the weights. As long as the second side
of the sandwich is nice and flat during cure, you will have a good part.

Clear as mud? Let us know how it turns out.

Sorry, can't answer the FS110 bulkhead question, as I built the two place
model and don't have the single place plans.

Sam


On Wed, Aug 21, 2013 at 1:28 PM, n7188u <n7188u@...> wrote:

**


Hi,

I am starting construction of my Q1 bulkheads and have a couple of
questions:

1.- On examination of the materials I have, I discovered that my 3/8" PVC
is slightly warped (not flat). I know that once I laminate it it will be
stiff so I will hold it down flat in my workbench with a couple dabs of 5
min epoxy but wondered if there is a trick for flatten it a bit. Maybe
slight application of heat and placing a flat weight on top of it?.

2.- I noticed that the plans call to not glass FS110. As much as I looked
I cant find where in the plans this eventually gets glassed. Well, I have
to admit just perusing the plans after the bulkhead construction section
but I can't seem to find that info and I am curious.

Thanks,
Chris







------------------------------------

Quickie Builders Association WEB site
http://www.quickiebuilders.org

Yahoo! Groups Links



Re: Slightly warped PVC foam

Paul Buckley
 

Quoting n7188u <n7188u@...>:


No problem, just glass one side as normal, apply peel ply (to allow future
bonding) cover with saran wrap (for release) place on flat suface with board on
top, with a weight if necessary.
When cured you will probably find that the foam will now remain flat, but I
would repeat the process with the other side too.

Paul Buckley

Embryo TriQ-200


Hi,

I am starting construction of my Q1 bulkheads and have a couple of questions:

1.- On examination of the materials I have, I discovered that my 3/8" PVC is slightly warped (not flat). I know that once I laminate it it will be stiff so I will hold it down flat in my workbench with a couple dabs of 5 min epoxy but wondered if there is a trick for flatten it a bit. Maybe slight application of heat and placing a flat weight on top of it?.

2.- I noticed that the plans call to not glass FS110. As much as I looked I cant find where in the plans this eventually gets glassed. Well, I have to admit just perusing the plans after the bulkhead construction section but I can't seem to find that info and I am curious.

Thanks,
Chris


Re: Slightly warped PVC foam

Sam Hoskins
 

Chris, welcome.

This is one of the kind of questions that new builders have that turns out
to be no problem. Warped foam is no big deal. Here is why.

When you are building a composite sandwich, the part doesn't become rigid
until the whole sandwich is complete. Take, for instance, your piece of
warped bulkhead foam. You lay it on the flat table and it's all
cattywhumpuss. You fret, worry and consider ordering new foam, but it's
not a big deal.

Now, you decide to glass one side with a single layer of BID. After it
cures, you may still have a warp and it will seem very loose and floppy.
Again, no big deal.

The key to a straight piece comes in when you glass the opposite side of
the sandwich. This is when you should make the big effort to make sure it
is laying flat while it cures. Naturally, your table must be flat. Before
the time the second layer cures, you may see that the piece isn't perfectly
flat, because of previous warpage in the first steps. Again, no big deal.
Simple weigh down the part with enough weight to hold it flat while
curing. You could also use pins/small nails to hold the edges down, but
using small weights is the easiest. You can apply saran wrap on the wet
epoxy to keep the weights from sticking, or you could use peel ply dacron.

Let it fully cure before removing the weights. As long as the second side
of the sandwich is nice and flat during cure, you will have a good part.

Clear as mud? Let us know how it turns out.

Sorry, can't answer the FS110 bulkhead question, as I built the two place
model and don't have the single place plans.

Sam


On Wed, Aug 21, 2013 at 1:28 PM, n7188u <n7188u@...> wrote:

**


Hi,

I am starting construction of my Q1 bulkheads and have a couple of
questions:

1.- On examination of the materials I have, I discovered that my 3/8" PVC
is slightly warped (not flat). I know that once I laminate it it will be
stiff so I will hold it down flat in my workbench with a couple dabs of 5
min epoxy but wondered if there is a trick for flatten it a bit. Maybe
slight application of heat and placing a flat weight on top of it?.

2.- I noticed that the plans call to not glass FS110. As much as I looked
I cant find where in the plans this eventually gets glassed. Well, I have
to admit just perusing the plans after the bulkhead construction section
but I can't seem to find that info and I am curious.

Thanks,
Chris



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Slightly warped PVC foam

n7188u
 

Hi,

I am starting construction of my Q1 bulkheads and have a couple of questions:

1.- On examination of the materials I have, I discovered that my 3/8" PVC is slightly warped (not flat). I know that once I laminate it it will be stiff so I will hold it down flat in my workbench with a couple dabs of 5 min epoxy but wondered if there is a trick for flatten it a bit. Maybe slight application of heat and placing a flat weight on top of it?.

2.- I noticed that the plans call to not glass FS110. As much as I looked I cant find where in the plans this eventually gets glassed. Well, I have to admit just perusing the plans after the bulkhead construction section but I can't seem to find that info and I am curious.

Thanks,
Chris


Re: FOD

Dave Dugas
 

Hi Kevin
We are going to park on the grass next to the EAA building at the NW end of the field. I can find spaces for airplanes in the event that the weather gets bad while you're here. I'll leave the building open all night in case people are camping. I'll be checking on Monday to see how arrangements, weather, etc. are going. There are tiedowns on the ramp available too. My cell is 413-772-9165. fFriday night we can go to a tavern very close to the airport and motel, Saturday morning cooking breakfast in the EAA building. I'd like to try and get a count next week for planning the food.  hope the weather is going to be as good as it has been....perfect for flying.
Dave D


________________________________
From: Kevin Boddicker <trumanst@...>
To: Q-LIST@...
Sent: Monday, August 19, 2013 1:08 PM
Subject: [Q-LIST] FOD

 
Dave,

I just got to thinking. I have no tie downs. Is there inside parking available for the event?

Thanks,


Kevin Boddicker
TriQ 200 N7868B 300 hrs
Luana, IA.




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FOD

Kevin Boddicker
 

Dave,

I just got to thinking. I have no tie downs. Is there inside parking available for the event?

Thanks,



Kevin Boddicker
TriQ 200 N7868B 300 hrs
Luana, IA.


Re: A repost asking for help......Propeller recommendations.......

Dave Dugas
 

Hi Jerri
It's 54 x 48 and about 10 mph faster than the original. Not much difference in climb.
Dave D




Sent from Samsung tabletJ <jerricn@...> wrote:Hello Dave,

Thanks for the response, so what Size and Pitch are you running? How is this combination performing for you?

Jerri

--- In Q-LIST@..., Dave Dugas <davedq2@...> wrote:

Jerri
I have a Cloudcar prop on my Revmaster powered Q2, and I love it. However,  I'd stick with the Cowley prop until you get everything else ironed out. I flew for about 700 hours with the Cowley prop pn my Revmaster. It's a reliable and well documented starting piont.
Dave D




Sent from Samsung tabletJ <jerricn@...> wrote:I had posted this previously with zero response, maybe this time some of you will respond......hope so....

Hello everyone,

Would like input from you real world users. Bought a Q2 kit and was given another. The kit came with the Cowley 56 X 45. I see many using a 54 X 48 but also had seen a post from a Canadian fellow running a 54 X 56 CloudCar prop.

Just curious what others are using, what sort of climb/takeoff performance they have as well as cruise speed.

Jerri






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Re: F.O.D.

Dave Dugas
 

Jay 
Sorry to hear.
Dave D




Sent from Samsung tabletjay@... wrote:Hi Dave,

A work conflict has reared its ugly head and I am afraid I will have to pull my name off of the "attendee" list for FOD. I am really disappointed to miss seeing all of you east-coasters, but I will hopefully see you all at an event next year. Thanks for hosting and have a great time.

Cheers,
Jay Scheevel, Tri-Q, still building



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Re: F.O.D.

Jay Scheevel
 

Hi Dave,

A work conflict has reared its ugly head and I am afraid I will have to pull my name off of the "attendee" list for FOD. I am really disappointed to miss seeing all of you east-coasters, but I will hopefully see you all at an event next year. Thanks for hosting and have a great time.

Cheers,
Jay Scheevel, Tri-Q, still building


Re: A repost asking for help......Propeller recommendations.......

Jim Patillo
 

Good afternoon Jerri,

I run a 60/72 Catto Prop. Rpm tops @ 3150 unloaded. Static Rpm down the runway is 2350. Climb is 12-1400 fpm. This obviously doesn't work for a Revemaster but Craig Catto makes superior props. Just tell him what you expect and he can make a prop to do the job. Plus his props have magnesium leading edges which eliminates corresion in rain.

I believe Rene and Dave have had good success with the Cloudcar prop however.

Regards,
Jim Patillo

N46JP - Q200
Livermore, Ca

--- In Q-LIST@..., "J" <jerricn@...> wrote:

I had posted this previously with zero response, maybe this time some of you will respond......hope so....

Hello everyone,

Would like input from you real world users. Bought a Q2 kit and was given another. The kit came with the Cowley 56 X 45. I see many using a 54 X 48 but also had seen a post from a Canadian fellow running a 54 X 56 CloudCar prop.

Just curious what others are using, what sort of climb/takeoff performance they have as well as cruise speed.

Jerri


Re: A repost asking for help......Propeller recommendations.......

J <jerricn@...>
 

Hello Dave,

Thanks for the response, so what Size and Pitch are you running? How is this combination performing for you?

Jerri

--- In Q-LIST@..., Dave Dugas <davedq2@...> wrote:

Jerri
I have a Cloudcar prop on my Revmaster powered Q2, and I love it. However,  I'd stick with the Cowley prop until you get everything else ironed out. I flew for about 700 hours with the Cowley prop pn my Revmaster. It's a reliable and well documented starting piont.
Dave D




Sent from Samsung tabletJ <jerricn@...> wrote:I had posted this previously with zero response, maybe this time some of you will respond......hope so....

Hello everyone,

Would like input from you real world users. Bought a Q2 kit and was given another. The kit came with the Cowley 56 X 45. I see many using a 54 X 48 but also had seen a post from a Canadian fellow running a 54 X 56 CloudCar prop.

Just curious what others are using, what sort of climb/takeoff performance they have as well as cruise speed.

Jerri



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Re: A repost asking for help......Propeller recommendations.......

J <jerricn@...>
 

Hello Paul,

Thanks, yes, have the Revmaster 2100 and I've seen that they typically are running the 54 X 48 prop. But another fellow was runnng a CloudCar 54 X 56 which seemed rather tall pitch. So was curious what others were using and what sort of performance they were seeing......

Jerri

--- In Q-LIST@..., "Fisher Paul A." <fisherpaula@...> wrote:

Jerri,
I saw your previous note but didn't respond because it appeared you were looking for Q2 data (not Q200). You might want to be specific about which engine you are running since that will have a huge impact on the potential responses you get.

For the record I am running a Sterba 60x68 in my O-200 powered Q-200. I've been using this prop for over 20 years. It's a little over pitched for my engine as I can only get about 2700 RPM wide open in the air. So I'm not about to challenge Sam on the top end!! ;-)

That probably doesn't help you much, but at least someone replied this time!

Paul A. Fisher
Q-200 N17PF ~1500 hours


From: Q-LIST@... [mailto:Q-LIST@...] On Behalf Of J
Sent: Friday, August 16, 2013 8:23 AM
To: Q-LIST@...
Subject: [Q-LIST] A repost asking for help......Propeller recommendations.......



I had posted this previously with zero response, maybe this time some of you will respond......hope so....

Hello everyone,

Would like input from you real world users. Bought a Q2 kit and was given another. The kit came with the Cowley 56 X 45. I see many using a 54 X 48 but also had seen a post from a Canadian fellow running a 54 X 56 CloudCar prop.

Just curious what others are using, what sort of climb/takeoff performance they have as well as cruise speed.

Jerri


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Re: A repost asking for help......Propeller recommendations.......

Dave Dugas
 

Jerri
I have a Cloudcar prop on my Revmaster powered Q2, and I love it. However,  I'd stick with the Cowley prop until you get everything else ironed out. I flew for about 700 hours with the Cowley prop pn my Revmaster. It's a reliable and well documented starting piont.
Dave D




Sent from Samsung tabletJ <jerricn@...> wrote:I had posted this previously with zero response, maybe this time some of you will respond......hope so....

Hello everyone,

Would like input from you real world users. Bought a Q2 kit and was given another. The kit came with the Cowley 56 X 45. I see many using a 54 X 48 but also had seen a post from a Canadian fellow running a 54 X 56 CloudCar prop.

Just curious what others are using, what sort of climb/takeoff performance they have as well as cruise speed.

Jerri



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