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Re: Need a Sparrow Strainer alternative

Jim Ham <jimham@...>
 

But wait - doesn't an anti-servo tab and a sparrow strainer do the same
thing? Namely, produce an aerodynamic down force on the elevator.
Remember that the sparrow strainers are constructed with an airfoil.
Airfoils have very little parasitic drag compaired to other shapes. Why
would you think that a servo tab as less parasitic drag than a sparrow
strainer?

Spoken by a novice - let the experts come in on this :-).

Jim

Patrick Panzera wrote:


BTW, when I was the Dragonfly newsletter editor, Terry O'Neill submitted
an excellent article on how he did away with his sparrow strainers by
installing anti-servo tabs that are also used as an aerodynamic pitch
trim system. He also talks about balancing the elevators to avoid flutter.

I just uploaded the entire issue.

http://issuu.com/contact.magazine/docs/dragonfly_newsletter_97

And if I uploaded it properly, it should download to a printable PDF.

Pat


On Thu, Sep 19, 2013 at 9:10 AM, Patrick Panzera
<editor@... <mailto:editor@...>> wrote:

Adding weight aft of the center of rotation is a sure recipe for
flutter.
Even at low speeds, a little bump could start it.

Look how stable a car's antenna is under normal conditions.
Now imaging a weight at the tip... or note what happens to it when
weight is added from ice.


On Thu, Sep 19, 2013 at 8:15 AM, Jason Nemake <fg13fg@...
<mailto:fg13fg@...>> wrote:

__

Guys,
Are the elevator control surfaces statically balanced on the LS
airfoil, like they are on the GU airfoil? If so, then I would
guess that if you unbalanced the control surface and started
increasing the cg of the control surface aft, to try and cancel
the lifting effect caused by the LS cuspt then heavy springs or
sparrow strainers might not be needed. One could possibly go as
far as weighting the trailing edge. The result would be a
drooped elevator on the ground until reaching flying speeds, and
a positive effect on the stick at low speeds. Maybe even a
combination of springs and aft weight. There of coarse would be
G effects to this idea. Some things to ponder..
Jason Nemake

*From:* "jcrain2@... <mailto:jcrain2@...>"
<jcrain2@... <mailto:jcrain2@...>>
*To:* Q-LIST@... <mailto:Q-LIST@...>
*Sent:* Wednesday, September 18, 2013 8:55 PM
*Subject:* Re: [Q-LIST] Need a Sparrow Strainer alternative
__
Sammy,
Didn't Tom Moore and Bob Malecek have an adjustable flat piece
of aluminum or stainless in place of the upside down airfoil? I
think it had a slight up kicker at the back though. Call them
to see what their ideas were. It might be a bit less drag
perhaps X 2.
Bruce ____---------- Original Message ----------__From: Sam
Hoskins <sam.hoskins@...
<mailto:sam.hoskins@...>>__To: Quickie List
<Q-LIST@...
<mailto:Q-LIST@...>>__Subject: [Q-LIST] Need a
Sparrow Strainer alternative__Date: Wed, 18 Sep 2013 16:14:44
-0500____
The Sparrow Strainers are draggy and slow our planes down.
�There must be an alternative. �Every time a speed specialist
looks at the the sparrow strainers they go "WTF"?
So, let's start at the beginning. �Why are there in the first place?
As I understand it, they are an aerodynamic trim designed to
counteract the high pressure on the bottom of the canard
elevator. �Air wants to push the TE of the elevator up, causing
the plane to dive, so the sparrow strainers help by pushing it
back down.
Is this logic correct?
So, what would be a drag-free alternative? �Well, I suppose one
could increase the spring tension already used for the control
stick. �Why didn't QAC do something like that? �Maybe it would
increase the stick forces. �Just guessing but when they first
flew flew the new �LS-1 airfoil, they probably found they needed
an extraordinary amount of nose up trim. �Followed by going with
the cheapest fix - add sparrow strainers.
Another issue with using internal trim, is you are applying a
constant torque to the joint there the elevator bellcrank slips
into the elevator torque tube. �Maybe it's not a big deal, bit
it's there.
This is all supposition. �Is anyone privy to the real story?
So, all of you aerodynamic tinkerers, what could be a viable way
to eliminate the sparrow strainers?
Thanks for reading.
Sam
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Re: Need a Sparrow Strainer alternative

Patrick Panzera
 

BTW, when I was the Dragonfly newsletter editor, Terry O'Neill submitted an excellent article on how he did away with his sparrow strainers by installing anti-servo tabs that are also used as an aerodynamic pitch trim system. He also talks about balancing the elevators to avoid flutter.

I just uploaded the entire issue. 


And if I uploaded it properly, it should download to a printable PDF.

Pat


On Thu, Sep 19, 2013 at 9:10 AM, Patrick Panzera <editor@...> wrote:
Adding weight aft of the center of rotation is a sure recipe for flutter.
Even at low speeds, a little bump could start it. 

Look how stable a car's antenna is under normal conditions.
Now imaging a weight at the tip... or note what happens to it when weight is added from ice.
 


On Thu, Sep 19, 2013 at 8:15 AM, Jason Nemake <fg13fg@...> wrote:
 

Guys,
Are the elevator control surfaces statically balanced on the LS airfoil, like they are on the GU airfoil?  If so, then I would guess that if you unbalanced the control surface and started increasing the cg of the control surface aft, to try and cancel the lifting effect caused by the LS cuspt then heavy springs or sparrow strainers might not be needed.  One could possibly go as far as weighting the trailing edge.  The result would be a drooped elevator on the ground until reaching flying speeds, and a positive effect on the stick at low speeds.  Maybe even a combination of springs and aft weight.  There of coarse would be G effects to this idea.  Some things to ponder..
Jason Nemake

From: "jcrain2@..." <jcrain2@...>
To: Q-LIST@...
Sent: Wednesday, September 18, 2013 8:55 PM
Subject: Re: [Q-LIST] Need a Sparrow Strainer alternative
 
Sammy,
Didn't  Tom Moore and Bob Malecek have an adjustable flat piece of aluminum or stainless in place of the upside down airfoil?  I think it had a slight up kicker at the back though.  Call them to see what their ideas were.  It might be a bit less drag perhaps X 2.
Bruce  ---------- Original Message ----------From: Sam Hoskins <sam.hoskins@...>To: Quickie List <Q-LIST@...>Subject: [Q-LIST] Need a Sparrow Strainer alternativeDate: Wed, 18 Sep 2013 16:14:44 -0500
 
The Sparrow Strainers are draggy and slow our planes down. �There must be an alternative. �Every time a speed specialist looks at the the sparrow strainers they go "WTF"?
 
So, let's start at the beginning. �Why are there in the first place?
 
As I understand it, they are an aerodynamic trim designed to counteract the high pressure on the bottom of the canard elevator. �Air wants to push the TE of the elevator up, causing the plane to dive, so the sparrow strainers help by pushing it back down.
 
Is this logic correct?
 
So, what would be a drag-free alternative? �Well, I suppose one could increase the spring tension already used for the control stick. �Why didn't QAC do something like that? �Maybe it would increase the stick forces. �Just guessing but when they first flew flew the new �LS-1 airfoil, they probably found they needed an extraordinary amount of nose up trim. �Followed by going with the cheapest fix - add sparrow strainers.
 
Another issue with using internal trim, is you are applying a constant torque to the joint there the elevator bellcrank slips into the elevator torque tube. �Maybe it's not a big deal, bit it's there.
 
This is all supposition. �Is anyone privy to the real story?
 
So, all of you aerodynamic tinkerers, what could be a viable way to eliminate the sparrow strainers?
 
Thanks for reading.
 
Sam
 
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Re: Need a Sparrow Strainer alternative

Patrick Panzera
 

Adding weight aft of the center of rotation is a sure recipe for flutter.
Even at low speeds, a little bump could start it. 

Look how stable a car's antenna is under normal conditions.
Now imaging a weight at the tip... or note what happens to it when weight is added from ice.
 


On Thu, Sep 19, 2013 at 8:15 AM, Jason Nemake <fg13fg@...> wrote:
 

Guys,
Are the elevator control surfaces statically balanced on the LS airfoil, like they are on the GU airfoil?  If so, then I would guess that if you unbalanced the control surface and started increasing the cg of the control surface aft, to try and cancel the lifting effect caused by the LS cuspt then heavy springs or sparrow strainers might not be needed.  One could possibly go as far as weighting the trailing edge.  The result would be a drooped elevator on the ground until reaching flying speeds, and a positive effect on the stick at low speeds.  Maybe even a combination of springs and aft weight.  There of coarse would be G effects to this idea.  Some things to ponder..
Jason Nemake

From: "jcrain2@..." <jcrain2@...>
To: Q-LIST@...
Sent: Wednesday, September 18, 2013 8:55 PM
Subject: Re: [Q-LIST] Need a Sparrow Strainer alternative
 
Sammy,
Didn't  Tom Moore and Bob Malecek have an adjustable flat piece of aluminum or stainless in place of the upside down airfoil?  I think it had a slight up kicker at the back though.  Call them to see what their ideas were.  It might be a bit less drag perhaps X 2.
Bruce  ---------- Original Message ----------From: Sam Hoskins <sam.hoskins@...>To: Quickie List <Q-LIST@...>Subject: [Q-LIST] Need a Sparrow Strainer alternativeDate: Wed, 18 Sep 2013 16:14:44 -0500
 
The Sparrow Strainers are draggy and slow our planes down. �There must be an alternative. �Every time a speed specialist looks at the the sparrow strainers they go "WTF"?
 
So, let's start at the beginning. �Why are there in the first place?
 
As I understand it, they are an aerodynamic trim designed to counteract the high pressure on the bottom of the canard elevator. �Air wants to push the TE of the elevator up, causing the plane to dive, so the sparrow strainers help by pushing it back down.
 
Is this logic correct?
 
So, what would be a drag-free alternative? �Well, I suppose one could increase the spring tension already used for the control stick. �Why didn't QAC do something like that? �Maybe it would increase the stick forces. �Just guessing but when they first flew flew the new �LS-1 airfoil, they probably found they needed an extraordinary amount of nose up trim. �Followed by going with the cheapest fix - add sparrow strainers.
 
Another issue with using internal trim, is you are applying a constant torque to the joint there the elevator bellcrank slips into the elevator torque tube. �Maybe it's not a big deal, bit it's there.
 
This is all supposition. �Is anyone privy to the real story?
 
So, all of you aerodynamic tinkerers, what could be a viable way to eliminate the sparrow strainers?
 
Thanks for reading.
 
Sam
 
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Re: Need a Sparrow Strainer alternative

Jason Nemake <fg13fg@...>
 

Guys,
Are the elevator control surfaces statically balanced on the LS airfoil, like they are on the GU airfoil?  If so, then I would guess that if you unbalanced the control surface and started increasing the cg of the control surface aft, to try and cancel the lifting effect caused by the LS cuspt then heavy springs or sparrow strainers might not be needed.  One could possibly go as far as weighting the trailing edge.  The result would be a drooped elevator on the ground until reaching flying speeds, and a positive effect on the stick at low speeds.  Maybe even a combination of springs and aft weight.  There of coarse would be G effects to this idea.  Some things to ponder..
Jason Nemake

From: "jcrain2@..."
To: Q-LIST@...
Sent: Wednesday, September 18, 2013 8:55 PM
Subject: Re: [Q-LIST] Need a Sparrow Strainer alternative
 
Sammy,
Didn't  Tom Moore and Bob Malecek have an adjustable flat piece of aluminum or stainless in place of the upside down airfoil?  I think it had a slight up kicker at the back though.  Call them to see what their ideas were.  It might be a bit less drag perhaps X 2.
Bruce  ---------- Original Message ----------From: Sam Hoskins To: Quickie List Subject: [Q-LIST] Need a Sparrow Strainer alternativeDate: Wed, 18 Sep 2013 16:14:44 -0500
 
The Sparrow Strainers are draggy and slow our planes down. �There must be an alternative. �Every time a speed specialist looks at the the sparrow strainers they go "WTF"?
 
So, let's start at the beginning. �Why are there in the first place?
 
As I understand it, they are an aerodynamic trim designed to counteract the high pressure on the bottom of the canard elevator. �Air wants to push the TE of the elevator up, causing the plane to dive, so the sparrow strainers help by pushing it back down.
 
Is this logic correct?
 
So, what would be a drag-free alternative? �Well, I suppose one could increase the spring tension already used for the control stick. �Why didn't QAC do something like that? �Maybe it would increase the stick forces. �Just guessing but when they first flew flew the new �LS-1 airfoil, they probably found they needed an extraordinary amount of nose up trim. �Followed by going with the cheapest fix - add sparrow strainers.
 
Another issue with using internal trim, is you are applying a constant torque to the joint there the elevator bellcrank slips into the elevator torque tube. �Maybe it's not a big deal, bit it's there.
 
This is all supposition. �Is anyone privy to the real story?
 
So, all of you aerodynamic tinkerers, what could be a viable way to eliminate the sparrow strainers?
 
Thanks for reading.
 
Sam
 
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Re: Need a Sparrow Strainer alternative

Bruce Crain
 


Re: Need a Sparrow Strainer alternative

Jerry Marstall
 

All I know is that if one comes off in flight, you are flipped negative G's nose down with a violent roll to the near inverted.  Don't ask me how I know.  

On 9/18/2013 5:14 PM, Sam Hoskins wrote:
 
The Sparrow Strainers are draggy and slow our planes down.  There must be an alternative.  Every time a speed specialist looks at the the sparrow strainers they go "WTF"?

So, let's start at the beginning.  Why are there in the first place?

As I understand it, they are an aerodynamic trim designed to counteract the high pressure on the bottom of the canard elevator.  Air wants to push the TE of the elevator up, causing the plane to dive, so the sparrow strainers help by pushing it back down.

Is this logic correct?

So, what would be a drag-free alternative?  Well, I suppose one could increase the spring tension already used for the control stick.  Why didn't QAC do something like that?  Maybe it would increase the stick forces.  Just guessing but when they first flew flew the new  LS-1 airfoil, they probably found they needed an extraordinary amount of nose up trim.  Followed by going with the cheapest fix - add sparrow strainers.

Another issue with using internal trim, is you are applying a constant torque to the joint there the elevator bellcrank slips into the elevator torque tube.  Maybe it's not a big deal, bit it's there.

This is all supposition.  Is anyone privy to the real story?

So, all of you aerodynamic tinkerers, what could be a viable way to eliminate the sparrow strainers?

Thanks for reading.

Sam


Re: Need a Sparrow Strainer alternative

Fisher Paul A. <fisherpaula@...>
 

Sam,

Your analysis is correct as I recall.  Didn’t Gene used to race the QAC Q-200 without sparrow strainers?  I thought he removed them for exactly the reason you stated – they are draggy.

 

I would expect higher stick forces without the strainers.  I have no clue if it would induce a flutter situation.  As long as the controls are balanced, I would assume not.  But it is certainly something that would have to be flight tested.

 

Having to constantly hold back pressure would indeed put additional strain on the elevator attach mechanisms (including the torque tube to the inside of the elevator).  I would think you would want to verify each connection would handle the additional strain because without the strainers that pressure would be constant plus any additional loads as you hit turbulence, etc.

 

As long as you are asking aerodynamic questions, is the LS-1 airfoil still the best option?  I thought John Roncz came up with a new airfoil for the LongEZ canard to address the same issues the LS-1 was trying to address.  Of course for all I know, they are the same airfoil!!  ;-)  I suppose it depends on how much “design” work you want to do and how fast you want to get back into the air!

 

- Paul

 

 

From: Q-LIST@... [mailto:Q-LIST@...] On Behalf Of Sam Hoskins
Sent: Wednesday, September 18, 2013 4:15 PM
To: Quickie List
Subject: [Q-LIST] Need a Sparrow Strainer alternative

 

 

The Sparrow Strainers are draggy and slow our planes down.  There must be an alternative.  Every time a speed specialist looks at the the sparrow strainers they go "WTF"?

 

So, let's start at the beginning.  Why are there in the first place?

 

As I understand it, they are an aerodynamic trim designed to counteract the high pressure on the bottom of the canard elevator.  Air wants to push the TE of the elevator up, causing the plane to dive, so the sparrow strainers help by pushing it back down.

 

Is this logic correct?

 

So, what would be a drag-free alternative?  Well, I suppose one could increase the spring tension already used for the control stick.  Why didn't QAC do something like that?  Maybe it would increase the stick forces.  Just guessing but when they first flew flew the new  LS-1 airfoil, they probably found they needed an extraordinary amount of nose up trim.  Followed by going with the cheapest fix - add sparrow strainers.

 

Another issue with using internal trim, is you are applying a constant torque to the joint there the elevator bellcrank slips into the elevator torque tube.  Maybe it's not a big deal, bit it's there.

 

This is all supposition.  Is anyone privy to the real story?

 

So, all of you aerodynamic tinkerers, what could be a viable way to eliminate the sparrow strainers?

 

Thanks for reading.

 

Sam


Re: Need a Sparrow Strainer alternative

Patrick Panzera
 

We went into great detail and debate over this a decade ago (or more!) on the Dragonfly list. and about the only thing that came of it is,  1) there are people who have flown w/o them- by adding more spring pressure by way of a static spring or a pitch trim device and 2) the only thing that the aerodynamic sparrow strainer has over a mechanical device is that as speed changes, so does the aerodynamic forces and they seem to stay in balance that way.

The torque tube issue was resolved for a flutter condition by welding a partial rib to the tube and inserting a plywood rib inside the very end of the elevator and bolting the two ribs together. 



On Wed, Sep 18, 2013 at 2:14 PM, Sam Hoskins <sam.hoskins@...> wrote:
 

The Sparrow Strainers are draggy and slow our planes down.  There must be an alternative.  Every time a speed specialist looks at the the sparrow strainers they go "WTF"?

So, let's start at the beginning.  Why are there in the first place?

As I understand it, they are an aerodynamic trim designed to counteract the high pressure on the bottom of the canard elevator.  Air wants to push the TE of the elevator up, causing the plane to dive, so the sparrow strainers help by pushing it back down.

Is this logic correct?

So, what would be a drag-free alternative?  Well, I suppose one could increase the spring tension already used for the control stick.  Why didn't QAC do something like that?  Maybe it would increase the stick forces.  Just guessing but when they first flew flew the new  LS-1 airfoil, they probably found they needed an extraordinary amount of nose up trim.  Followed by going with the cheapest fix - add sparrow strainers.

Another issue with using internal trim, is you are applying a constant torque to the joint there the elevator bellcrank slips into the elevator torque tube.  Maybe it's not a big deal, bit it's there.

This is all supposition.  Is anyone privy to the real story?

So, all of you aerodynamic tinkerers, what could be a viable way to eliminate the sparrow strainers?

Thanks for reading.

Sam



Need a Sparrow Strainer alternative

Sam Hoskins
 

The Sparrow Strainers are draggy and slow our planes down.  There must be an alternative.  Every time a speed specialist looks at the the sparrow strainers they go "WTF"?

So, let's start at the beginning.  Why are there in the first place?

As I understand it, they are an aerodynamic trim designed to counteract the high pressure on the bottom of the canard elevator.  Air wants to push the TE of the elevator up, causing the plane to dive, so the sparrow strainers help by pushing it back down.

Is this logic correct?

So, what would be a drag-free alternative?  Well, I suppose one could increase the spring tension already used for the control stick.  Why didn't QAC do something like that?  Maybe it would increase the stick forces.  Just guessing but when they first flew flew the new  LS-1 airfoil, they probably found they needed an extraordinary amount of nose up trim.  Followed by going with the cheapest fix - add sparrow strainers.

Another issue with using internal trim, is you are applying a constant torque to the joint there the elevator bellcrank slips into the elevator torque tube.  Maybe it's not a big deal, bit it's there.

This is all supposition.  Is anyone privy to the real story?

So, all of you aerodynamic tinkerers, what could be a viable way to eliminate the sparrow strainers?

Thanks for reading.

Sam


Re: Summer FOD?

JMasal@...
 


Another consideration is that our FOD Belongs ONLY to uswith no competing distractions. 
being part of another show would be like going to a mini Oshkosh (just sayin')

j.


-----Original Message-----
From: jnmarstall
To: Q-LIST
Sent: Mon, Sep 16, 2013 7:14 pm
Subject: Re: [Q-LIST] Summer FOD?

 
I'm willing to try and fly anywhere too be among the Q folks.  My only reservation is the close proximity to the season of FOD.  The folks that are not retired may have a problem getting days off for two closely schedule events.  I am guessing that the groups loyalty will swing towards attending the FOD if they find it necessary to select but one to attend.
Jerry
On 9/16/2013 2:56 PM, fastlittleairplanes wrote:
 
I wanted to put this out and see what everyone thinks. I would like to host a FOD's and would like to do it with the Mid Eastern Regional Fly-in. We will have live bands, beer trailer, and the chance to work on the restoration of a B-17. Not to mention everyone could checkout a SARL cross country air race. We host this event the third weekend of August and have fantastic weather every year.

Richard Kaczmarek
Fast Little Airplanes LLC



Re: Summer FOD?

jnmarstall <jnmarstall@...>
 

I'm willing to try and fly anywhere too be among the Q folks.  My only reservation is the close proximity to the season of FOD.  The folks that are not retired may have a problem getting days off for two closely schedule events.  I am guessing that the groups loyalty will swing towards attending the FOD if they find it necessary to select but one to attend.
Jerry

On 9/16/2013 2:56 PM, fastlittleairplanes wrote:
 

I wanted to put this out and see what everyone thinks. I would like to host a FOD's and would like to do it with the Mid Eastern Regional Fly-in. We will have live bands, beer trailer, and the chance to work on the restoration of a B-17. Not to mention everyone could checkout a SARL cross country air race. We host this event the third weekend of August and have fantastic weather every year.

Richard Kaczmarek
Fast Little Airplanes LLC



Summer FOD?

fastlittleairplanes <mylittlemgb@...>
 

I wanted to put this out and see what everyone thinks. I would like to host a FOD's and would like to do it with the Mid Eastern Regional Fly-in. We will have live bands, beer trailer, and the chance to work on the restoration of a B-17. Not to mention everyone could checkout a SARL cross country air race. We host this event the third weekend of August and have fantastic weather every year.

Richard Kaczmarek
Fast Little Airplanes LLC


Re: [c-a offline] Rough River Dates and FOD dates

JMasal@...
 

Something like this seems to be happening to me. My neighbor just left AOL because he felt they were dropping posts. Whassup witdat???

j.
why did it take untill something after 12:30PM on saturday for the post to appear?



-----Original Message-----
From: Sam Kittle
To: Q-LIST
Sent: Sun, Sep 15, 2013 12:48 pm
Subject: RE: [Q-LIST] Fwd: Re: [c-a offline] Rough River Dates and FOD dates

 
Gene,
 
I attended the FOD 2012 and we talked, sorry you don’t remember.  You are correct, Dave said the dates could be flexible but I stand on what I said, “it is hard to please everyone no matter what date is chosen”.  I do hope you will come to ORE next year, Dave does a great job of cooking corn, clams & Lobsta.
 
Best regards,
Sam Kittle
 

From: Q-LIST@... [mailto:Q-LIST@...] On Behalf Of GeneKnapp2@...
Sent: Saturday, September 14, 2013 10:07 PM
To: Q-LIST@...
Subject: RE: [Q-LIST] Fwd: Re: [c-a offline] Rough River Dates and FOD dates
 
 
Hello Sam!
 
Sorry I didnt get to see you at Sam Hoskins IL FOD last year.
 
As for 2014 I beleive Dave Dugas's post stated (and I Quote)
"
Hi all Q folk
I would like to host the 24th FOD fly-in on the last weekend of September 2014 at ORE. The dates are September 26-28. The date is flexible based on your input.  I will welcome any suggestions
Dave D
"
 
I think dave said the dates is flexable and he was open to suggestion.
 
I didnt think the date had bee set in stone yet.
 
As to all those Q guys I mentioned who flew in to Rough River (in I think 2003) Roy Shannon said he wouldnt fly that far in a Q1 again ... said he shook for a week.  If Crouch had to choose, (He wanted to go to FOD 2013)
he would most likley choose ORE in 2014 ... but I havent asked him.
 
I never said they would ... only mentioned they had before and would not be able to again if there was an exclusive date conflict.
 
I dont think, to be polite, there has been a conflict with the two fly-ins ever in the past.
 
Hey Dave, how many times have you flown to Rough River?  I know you were there in 2003. At least two maybe three times? 
 
It just seems reasonable, to me (of corse) that the two groups needed to be exclusice.
 
Vicky and I celebrated our 25th wedding anniversary during the 2013 FOD ... sorry we missed you.
 
Also, as side note:
It seems odd that  I orginally posted this Question Friday night at appx 9:30PM.
Sooo ... why did it take untill something after 12:30PM on saturday for the post to appear?
Does some list moniter have me in in a delay/holding box for some reason?
At any rate, last night I tried (thinking I had done something wrong) to post these questions about three times to the Q-LIST ... so ... if the other post suddenly appear again on the q-list YOU WILL UNDERSTAND WHY.
Sorry about the stuck cap Lock key.  When I post to Q-List members individually I usually receive a reply in way less time than my last post to the Q-LIST so what is up with that?  a 15 hour delay because why?
 
I look forward to hearing from you.
 
Best regards
 
Gene
PS: Also, when Vicky and I go, we also go Coach ... the four wheel kind, not in an Aluminum tube.:Gene
 
-----Original Message-----
From: Sam Kittle <skittle@...>
To: Q-LIST <Q-LIST@...>
Sent: Sat, Sep 14, 2013 1:04 pm
Subject: RE: [Q-LIST] Fwd: Re: [c-a offline] Rough River Dates and FOD dates
 
Gene,
 
It is always hard to pick a date for any function that pleases everyone.  I really don’t believe Terry Crouch, Keith Welsh, and Roy Shannan, will fly to Orange unless they are able to take off at least a week like Bruce & Honeylamb have planned.  My plan is to be at Orange and I hope you will join us.
 
Best regards,
Sam Kittle,
Q200 in progress
 

From: Q-LIST@... [mailto:Q-LIST@...] On Behalf Of GeneKnapp2@...
Sent: Friday, September 13, 2013 7:13 PM
To: Q-LIST@...
Subject: [Q-LIST] Fwd: Re: [c-a offline] Rough River Dates and FOD dates
 
 
Hey Guys
 
Efer sence Spud invented Feald of Dreams (after the GIG - Grazing in the Grass with the EZ boys in KS) in Kansas; the dates for FOD was carefully set not to interfear with the CSA Rough River Fly-in. ... at which one year three Q-1's ( Terry Crouch, Keith Welsh, and Roy Shannan ) flew-in along with N-202SH ... from the photos, I remember there was a short guy from Ashville NC showed up with his lovely wife in a freshly panted Beech.
 
These two fly-ins (Rough River being the largest canard fly-in in the country) have always co-existed no closer than a week apart.
 
I asked Terry Schurbert (editor of the CSA newasletter) of CSA's 2014 and 2015 dates which are listed below.
 
These are hard to change since the field is in high demand for fly-ins of various marks ... I know for a fact the lodge reseverations are full three years in advance. (usually 60 to 100 planes show up each year despite the weather)
 
Therefore, wouldnt it be nice to schedule FOD for the weekends of Sept 19, 20 & 21st ... or
                                                                                                  Oct 3rd, 4th &  5th ?
 
I think Oct would give the best shot at clear weather, but the third weekend in September would be fine as well.
 
So guys, which weekend would be best for the Field of Dreams, tandum wing get together?
 
I look forward to hearing from yall (you-all).
 
... and like Alan alway says ...
 
As Always,
All The Best
 
Gene
 
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Hi Gene,  2013     Sept 27th - Sept 29th   
          2014     Sept 26th - Sept 28nd   
          2015     Sept 25th - Sept 27th  

 These are posted on the Roughriver.org site.    
I hope to see you at Rough River.  Terry  Please note: message attached  From: geneknapp2@... To: jschuber@... Subject: [c-a offline] Rough River Dates Date: Fri, 13 Sep 2013 18:05:09 -0400 (EDT) ____________________________________________________________ 30-second trick for a flat belly This daily 30-second trick BOOSTS your body&#39;s #1 fat-burning hormone http://thirdpartyoffers.juno.com/TGL3141/52339c96dd4c31c967e8dst02vuc 
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Hello Terry!!!
 
Well Rough River 2013 is almost upon  us.
 
Are the dates for Rough River 2014 already chosen?
 
i am hoping to ward off a conflict brfore it happens.
 
As Always,
All The Best
 
Gene
 
 


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Here is the latest.  thanks everyone!

 

 

 

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Re: [c-a offline] Rough River Dates and FOD dates

Sam Kittle
 

Gene,

 

I attended the FOD 2012 and we talked, sorry you don’t remember.  You are correct, Dave said the dates could be flexible but I stand on what I said, “it is hard to please everyone no matter what date is chosen”.  I do hope you will come to ORE next year, Dave does a great job of cooking corn, clams & Lobsta.

 

Best regards,

Sam Kittle

 


From: Q-LIST@... [mailto:Q-LIST@...] On Behalf Of GeneKnapp2@...
Sent: Saturday, September 14, 2013 10:07 PM
To: Q-LIST@...
Subject: RE: [Q-LIST] Fwd: Re: [c-a offline] Rough River Dates and FOD dates

 

 

Hello Sam!

 

Sorry I didnt get to see you at Sam Hoskins IL FOD last year.

 

As for 2014 I beleive Dave Dugas's post stated (and I Quote)

"

Hi all Q folk

I would like to host the 24th FOD fly-in on the last weekend of September 2014 at ORE. The dates are September 26-28. The date is flexible based on your input.  I will welcome any suggestions

Dave D

"

 

I think dave said the dates is flexable and he was open to suggestion.

 

I didnt think the date had bee set in stone yet.

 

As to all those Q guys I mentioned who flew in to Rough River (in I think 2003) Roy Shannon said he wouldnt fly that far in a Q1 again ... said he shook for a week.  If Crouch had to choose, (He wanted to go to FOD 2013)

he would most likley choose ORE in 2014 ... but I havent asked him.

 

I never said they would ... only mentioned they had before and would not be able to again if there was an exclusive date conflict.

 

I dont think, to be polite, there has been a conflict with the two fly-ins ever in the past.

 

Hey Dave, how many times have you flown to Rough River?  I know you were there in 2003. At least two maybe three times? 

 

It just seems reasonable, to me (of corse) that the two groups needed to be exclusice.

 

Vicky and I celebrated our 25th wedding anniversary during the 2013 FOD ... sorry we missed you.

 

Also, as side note:

It seems odd that  I orginally posted this Question Friday night at appx 9:30PM.

Sooo ... why did it take untill something after 12:30PM on saturday for the post to appear?

Does some list moniter have me in in a delay/holding box for some reason?

At any rate, last night I tried (thinking I had done something wrong) to post these questions about three times to the Q-LIST ... so ... if the other post suddenly appear again on the q-list YOU WILL UNDERSTAND WHY.

Sorry about the stuck cap Lock key.  When I post to Q-List members individually I usually receive a reply in way less time than my last post to the Q-LIST so what is up with that?  a 15 hour delay because why?

 

I look forward to hearing from you.

 

Best regards

 

Gene

PS: Also, when Vicky and I go, we also go Coach ... the four wheel kind, not in an Aluminum tube.:Gene

 

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Sent: Sat, Sep 14, 2013 1:04 pm
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Gene,

 

It is always hard to pick a date for any function that pleases everyone.  I really don’t believe Terry Crouch, Keith Welsh, and Roy Shannan, will fly to Orange unless they are able to take off at least a week like Bruce & Honeylamb have planned.  My plan is to be at Orange and I hope you will join us.

 

Best regards,

Sam Kittle,

Q200 in progress

 


From: Q-LIST@... [mailto:Q-LIST@...] On Behalf Of GeneKnapp2@...
Sent: Friday, September 13, 2013 7:13 PM
To: Q-LIST@...
Subject: [Q-LIST] Fwd: Re: [c-a offline] Rough River Dates and FOD dates

 

 

Hey Guys

 

Efer sence Spud invented Feald of Dreams (after the GIG - Grazing in the Grass with the EZ boys in KS) in Kansas; the dates for FOD was carefully set not to interfear with the CSA Rough River Fly-in. ... at which one year three Q-1's ( Terry Crouch, Keith Welsh, and Roy Shannan ) flew-in along with N-202SH ... from the photos, I remember there was a short guy from Ashville NC showed up with his lovely wife in a freshly panted Beech.

 

These two fly-ins (Rough River being the largest canard fly-in in the country) have always co-existed no closer than a week apart.

 

I asked Terry Schurbert (editor of the CSA newasletter) of CSA's 2014 and 2015 dates which are listed below.

 

These are hard to change since the field is in high demand for fly-ins of various marks ... I know for a fact the lodge reseverations are full three years in advance. (usually 60 to 100 planes show up each year despite the weather)

 

Therefore, wouldnt it be nice to schedule FOD for the weekends of Sept 19, 20 & 21st ... or

                                                                                                  Oct 3rd, 4th &  5th ?

 

I think Oct would give the best shot at clear weather, but the third weekend in September would be fine as well.

 

So guys, which weekend would be best for the Field of Dreams, tandum wing get together?

 

I look forward to hearing from yall (you-all).

 

... and like Alan alway says ...

 

As Always,

All The Best

 

Gene

 

-----Original Message-----
From: jschuber <jschuber@...>
To: geneknapp2 <geneknapp2@...>
Sent: Fri, Sep 13, 2013 6:15 pm
Subject: Re: [c-a offline] Rough River Dates

Hi Gene,  2013     Sept 27th - Sept 29th   
          2014     Sept 26th - Sept 28nd   
          2015     Sept 25th - Sept 27th  
These are posted on the Roughriver.org site.    
I hope to see you at Rough River.  Terry  Please note: message attached  From: geneknapp2@... To: jschuber@... Subject: [c-a offline] Rough River Dates Date: Fri, 13 Sep 2013 18:05:09 -0400 (EDT) ____________________________________________________________ 30-second trick for a flat belly This daily 30-second trick BOOSTS your body&#39;s #1 fat-burning hormone http://thirdpartyoffers.juno.com/TGL3141/52339c96dd4c31c967e8dst02vuc 

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Hello Terry!!!

 

Well Rough River 2013 is almost upon  us.

 

Are the dates for Rough River 2014 already chosen?

 

i am hoping to ward off a conflict brfore it happens.

 

As Always,

All The Best

 

Gene

 

 


Re: [c-a offline] Rough River Dates and FOD dates

GeneKnapp2@...
 

Hello Sam!
 
Sorry I didnt get to see you at Sam Hoskins IL FOD last year.
 
As for 2014 I beleive Dave Dugas's post stated (and I Quote)
"
Hi all Q folk
I would like to host the 24th FOD fly-in on the last weekend of September 2014 at ORE. The dates are September 26-28. The date is flexible based on your input.  I will welcome any suggestions
Dave D
"
 
I think dave said the dates is flexable and he was open to suggestion.
 
I didnt think the date had bee set in stone yet.
 
As to all those Q guys I mentioned who flew in to Rough River (in I think 2003) Roy Shannon said he wouldnt fly that far in a Q1 again ... said he shook for a week.  If Crouch had to choose, (He wanted to go to FOD 2013)
he would most likley choose ORE in 2014 ... but I havent asked him.
 
I never said they would ... only mentioned they had before and would not be able to again if there was an exclusive date conflict.
 
I dont think, to be polite, there has been a conflict with the two fly-ins ever in the past.
 
Hey Dave, how many times have you flown to Rough River?  I know you were there in 2003. At least two maybe three times? 
 
It just seems reasonable, to me (of corse) that the two groups needed to be exclusice.
 
Vicky and I celebrated our 25th wedding anniversary during the 2013 FOD ... sorry we missed you.
 
Also, as side note:
It seems odd that  I orginally posted this Question Friday night at appx 9:30PM.
Sooo ... why did it take untill something after 12:30PM on saturday for the post to appear?
Does some list moniter have me in in a delay/holding box for some reason?
At any rate, last night I tried (thinking I had done something wrong) to post these questions about three times to the Q-LIST ... so ... if the other post suddenly appear again on the q-list YOU WILL UNDERSTAND WHY.
Sorry about the stuck cap Lock key.  When I post to Q-List members individually I usually receive a reply in way less time than my last post to the Q-LIST so what is up with that?  a 15 hour delay because why?
 
I look forward to hearing from you.
 
Best regards
 
Gene
PS: Also, when Vicky and I go, we also go Coach ... the four wheel kind, not in an Aluminum tube.:Gene

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Gene,
 
It is always hard to pick a date for any function that pleases everyone.  I really don’t believe Terry Crouch, Keith Welsh, and Roy Shannan, will fly to Orange unless they are able to take off at least a week like Bruce & Honeylamb have planned.  My plan is to be at Orange and I hope you will join us.
 
Best regards,
Sam Kittle,
Q200 in progress
 

From: Q-LIST@... [mailto:Q-LIST@...] On Behalf Of GeneKnapp2@...
Sent: Friday, September 13, 2013 7:13 PM
To: Q-LIST@...
Subject: [Q-LIST] Fwd: Re: [c-a offline] Rough River Dates and FOD dates
 
 
Hey Guys
 
Efer sence Spud invented Feald of Dreams (after the GIG - Grazing in the Grass with the EZ boys in KS) in Kansas; the dates for FOD was carefully set not to interfear with the CSA Rough River Fly-in. ... at which one year three Q-1's ( Terry Crouch, Keith Welsh, and Roy Shannan ) flew-in along with N-202SH ... from the photos, I remember there was a short guy from Ashville NC showed up with his lovely wife in a freshly panted Beech.
 
These two fly-ins (Rough River being the largest canard fly-in in the country) have always co-existed no closer than a week apart.
 
I asked Terry Schurbert (editor of the CSA newasletter) of CSA's 2014 and 2015 dates which are listed below.
 
These are hard to change since the field is in high demand for fly-ins of various marks ... I know for a fact the lodge reseverations are full three years in advance. (usually 60 to 100 planes show up each year despite the weather)
 
Therefore, wouldnt it be nice to schedule FOD for the weekends of Sept 19, 20 & 21st ... or
                                                                                                  Oct 3rd, 4th &  5th ?
 
I think Oct would give the best shot at clear weather, but the third weekend in September would be fine as well.
 
So guys, which weekend would be best for the Field of Dreams, tandum wing get together?
 
I look forward to hearing from yall (you-all).
 
... and like Alan alway says ...
 
As Always,
All The Best
 
Gene
 
-----Original Message-----
From: jschuber <jschuber@...>
To: geneknapp2 <geneknapp2@...>
Sent: Fri, Sep 13, 2013 6:15 pm
Subject: Re: [c-a offline] Rough River Dates
Hi Gene,  2013     Sept 27th - Sept 29th   
          2014     Sept 26th - Sept 28nd   
          2015     Sept 25th - Sept 27th  
These are posted on the Roughriver.org site.    
I hope to see you at Rough River.  Terry  Please note: message attached  From: geneknapp2@... To: jschuber@... Subject: [c-a offline] Rough River Dates Date: Fri, 13 Sep 2013 18:05:09 -0400 (EDT) ____________________________________________________________ 30-second trick for a flat belly This daily 30-second trick BOOSTS your body&#39;s #1 fat-burning hormone http://thirdpartyoffers.juno.com/TGL3141/52339c96dd4c31c967e8dst02vuc 
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Hello Terry!!!
 
Well Rough River 2013 is almost upon  us.
 
Are the dates for Rough River 2014 already chosen?
 
i am hoping to ward off a conflict brfore it happens.
 
As Always,
All The Best
 
Gene
 



Re: 2014 FOD

JMasal@...
 

How many of our guys go to Rough River? Who are we inconveniencing?

j.


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Sent: Sat, Sep 14, 2013 2:48 pm
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From: geneknapp2 <geneknapp2@...>
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Date: Fri, Sep 13, 2013 9:13 pm
Hey Guys
 
Ever sence Spud invented Field of Dreams (after the GIG - Grazing in the Grass with the EZ boys in KS) in Kansas; the dates for FOD was carefully set not to interfear with the CSA Rough River Fly-in. ... at which one year three Q-1's ( Terry Crouch, Keith Welsh, and Roy Shannon ) flew-in along with N-202SH ... from the photos, I remember there was a short guy from Ashville NC showed up with his lovely wife in a freshly panted Beech.
 
These two fly-ins (Rough River being the largest canard fly-in in the country) have always co-existed no closer than a week apart.
 
I asked Terry Schurbert (editor of the CSA newasletter) of CSA's 2014 and 2015 dates which are listed below.
 
These are hard to change since the field is in high demand for fly-ins of various marks ... I know for a fact the lodge reseverations are full three years in advance. (usually 60 to 100 planes show up each year despite the weather) But thereare also cabins in the park as well as motels across the street.  ... I ve stayed in both.
 
Therefore, wouldnt it be nice to schedule the 2014 FOD for the weekends of Sept 19, 20 & 21st ... or
                                                                                                  Oct 3rd, 4th &  5th ?
 
I think Oct would give the best shot at clear weather, but the third weekend in September would be fine as well.
 
So guys, which weekend would be best for the Field of Dreams, tandum wing get together?
 
I look forward to hearing from yall (you-all).
 
... and like Alan alway says ...
 
As Always,
All The Best
 
Gene
 
-----Original Message-----
From: jschuber <jschuber@...>
To: geneknapp2 <geneknapp2@...>
Sent: Fri, Sep 13, 2013 6:15 pm
Subject: Re: [c-a offline] Rough River Dates

Hi Gene,  2013     Sept 27th - Sept 29th   
          2014     Sept 26th - Sept 28nd   
          2015     Sept 25th - Sept 27th  
These are posted on the Roughriver.org site.    
I hope to see you at Rough River.  Terry  Please note: message attached  From: geneknapp2@... To: jschuber@... Subject: [c-a offline] Rough River Dates Date: Fri, 13 Sep 2013 18:05:09 -0400 (EDT) ____________________________________________________________ 30-second trick for a flat belly This daily 30-second trick BOOSTS your body&#39
 ;s #1 fat-burning hormone http://thirdpartyoffers.juno.com/TGL3141/52339c96dd4c31c967e8dst02vuc 
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Date: Fri, 13 Sep 2013 18:05:09 -0400 (EDT)
Hello Terry!!!
 
Well Rough River 2013 is almost upon  us.
 
Are the dates for Rough River 2014 already chosen?
 
i am hoping to ward off a conflict brfore it happens.
 
As Always,
All The Best
 
Gene



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From: Dave Dugas <davedq2@...>
To: Q-LIST <Q-LIST@...>
Sent: Thu, Sep 12, 2013 10:52 pm
Subject: [Q-LIST] 2014 FOD



Hi all Q folk
I would like to host the 24th FOD fly-in on the last weekend of September 2014 at ORE. The dates are September 26-28. The date is flexible based on your input.  I will welcome any suggestions. 
Dave D



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Re: [c-a offline] Rough River Dates and FOD dates

Sam Kittle
 

Gene,

 

It is always hard to pick a date for any function that pleases everyone.  I really don’t believe Terry Crouch, Keith Welsh, and Roy Shannan, will fly to Orange unless they are able to take off at least a week like Bruce & Honeylamb have planned.  My plan is to be at Orange and I hope you will join us.

 

Best regards,

Sam Kittle,

Q200 in progress

 


From: Q-LIST@... [mailto:Q-LIST@...] On Behalf Of GeneKnapp2@...
Sent: Friday, September 13, 2013 7:13 PM
To: Q-LIST@...
Subject: [Q-LIST] Fwd: Re: [c-a offline] Rough River Dates and FOD dates

 

 

Hey Guys

 

Efer sence Spud invented Feald of Dreams (after the GIG - Grazing in the Grass with the EZ boys in KS) in Kansas; the dates for FOD was carefully set not to interfear with the CSA Rough River Fly-in. ... at which one year three Q-1's ( Terry Crouch, Keith Welsh, and Roy Shannan ) flew-in along with N-202SH ... from the photos, I remember there was a short guy from Ashville NC showed up with his lovely wife in a freshly panted Beech.

 

These two fly-ins (Rough River being the largest canard fly-in in the country) have always co-existed no closer than a week apart.

 

I asked Terry Schurbert (editor of the CSA newasletter) of CSA's 2014 and 2015 dates which are listed below.

 

These are hard to change since the field is in high demand for fly-ins of various marks ... I know for a fact the lodge reseverations are full three years in advance. (usually 60 to 100 planes show up each year despite the weather)

 

Therefore, wouldnt it be nice to schedule FOD for the weekends of Sept 19, 20 & 21st ... or

                                                                                                  Oct 3rd, 4th &  5th ?

 

I think Oct would give the best shot at clear weather, but the third weekend in September would be fine as well.

 

So guys, which weekend would be best for the Field of Dreams, tandum wing get together?

 

I look forward to hearing from yall (you-all).

 

... and like Alan alway says ...

 

As Always,

All The Best

 

Gene

 

-----Original Message-----
From: jschuber
To: geneknapp2
Sent: Fri, Sep 13, 2013 6:15 pm
Subject: Re: [c-a offline] Rough River Dates

Hi Gene,  2013     Sept 27th - Sept 29th   
          2014     Sept 26th - Sept 28nd   
          2015     Sept 25th - Sept 27th  
These are posted on the Roughriver.org site.    
I hope to see you at Rough River.  Terry  Please note: message attached  From: geneknapp2@... To: jschuber@... Subject: [c-a offline] Rough River Dates Date: Fri, 13 Sep 2013 18:05:09 -0400 (EDT) ____________________________________________________________ 30-second trick for a flat belly This daily 30-second trick BOOSTS your body&#39;s #1 fat-burning hormone http://thirdpartyoffers.juno.com/TGL3141/52339c96dd4c31c967e8dst02vuc 

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Hello Terry!!!

 

Well Rough River 2013 is almost upon  us.

 

Are the dates for Rough River 2014 already chosen?

 

i am hoping to ward off a conflict brfore it happens.

 

As Always,

All The Best

 

Gene

 

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